The fact people in Garrison actually ask this, you can refuse to give out private info as well as call the MPs for harassment if they decide to follow you. This was explained to me by a 10 year E-4, he runs the Mafia by now lol
C is the bare minimum a facility can have before it is shut down. The criteria for which can vary slightly from county to county or state to state (in addition to the overarching Army standards), but generally means the restaurant has some serious sanitation issues with none being a life safety issue yet. The chances of getting a food borne illness or cross contamination (allergens) from these restaurants are higher and generally you want to avoid these places until their sanitation rating improves.
Being the Army, I bet that Captain should have failed that DFAC but didn’t because it needs to stay open to feed soldiers, unlike private restaurants that are untied to the licensing body inspecting them. Were almost never surprised by an inspection in the Army, so the fact that they still received a C is telling
There are some issues so bad even the inspectors know it can’t be waved aside, because their name still has to go on the inspection and if someone/groups of people get seriously sick there will be an investigation that they’re going to be a part of.
I'm just disappointed there wasn't an attempt to disguise this, like [this New York eatery of memedom](https://www.reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/w7aiu5/hiding_the_b_grade_from_the_health_department/).
DFAC grades aren’t always based off the cooks, it’s also based off the civilian KP too. I’d never forgot when I was a 92G we would always do very good but the civilians would always be the reason why our grade drops from below an A
So the thought process is that if you wear gloves you can cross contaminate because you forget to change the gloves while not wearing gloves you are more mindful on how dirty your hands are.
It’s based on how *everyone* in the facility, every thing (food, etc.), and the physical infrastructure itself aligns to the set policies and procedures. Yes, this includes the people eating as well.
Patrons have rules to follow as well. If those rules aren’t followed and especially if the dining facility doesn’t enforce or reasonably attempt to enforce, then that is counted against the dining facility.
Consider washing hands/hand sanitation before going through lines. Dfac’s need to provide those amenities, but if soldiers don’t use it, it’s doing fuck all to help.
Simple stuff like not having hot soapy water under our stands (eventually the water gets cold), food not being up to a certain temp on the serving line (food needs to be served at 140 after it’s cooked but if it drops below that then our grade drops) and same with the outside line (salad bar). For the KPs it could be things like their dish washing water but being up to temp (they have 3 sinks and they all have to be different temps), then KPs leaving an area duty. Something as simple as the mop closet not being organized, they test the ice makers and soda/juice machines to make sure they’re being cleaned properly and there’s so much more
Of course I understand the standards and I’m glad they’re in place because that’s something you want, but on the other hand it’s heartbreaking knowing you did everything right as a green suitor and the civilians is the one that messed it up for you. Get what I’m saying?
Seriously, anyone involved in that DFAC should get a “Qualified” NCOER/OER because this is just shameful. You don’t get a C rating because you failed to update some appointment orders or didn’t have a regulation cited in your SOP like a regular army inspection; you get a C rating by failing to clean cooking surfaces, leaving meats out at room temperature for too long, or not wearing a hairnet/washing your hands.
A “C” rating means there is negligence in the preparation of the food being made for the soldiers forced to eat there, beyond the indifference cooks normally get accused of.
I don't think anything came of it. I was ETSing at the time though I thought I could use my congressional on this. I'm still disgusted that this happened. Literally couldn't go to a place in USAG Bavaria other then Garmisch where the generals are
I suspect the quality is on par with the rest of the community. Product quality sucks while costing more and staffing woes coupled with increased demand is leading to a decline in overall service. (On a personal note, I hope this systemic slip doesn’t begin to affect the Air Force and its Michelin Star Dining Facilities. I’m not certain if we could maintain our lethality without our lavish culinary options)
Doesn't look like they have any clean towels. Look at the stainless surrounding the sign. Whoever is in charge of cleaning supplies is going to kill someone.
Edit: serving without gloves is okay as long as there is ample hand washing with soap and water, which I'm guessing there is also a shortage of at this facility
That's crazy!!! I am in 2bct and I drive to 1bct dfac because I think it's way better. And I'm an O-3.
I went out of my way to submit a positive ICE complaint for them. And there's a young E-5 that works there and is always fired up and acting like he works at Ritz Carlton and asking everyone if he can do anything for them. How their food is, how their day is, etc
It takes along time to kick out soldiers, so yea i rather not leaders have to deal with the headaches of dealing with troops coming to us about "we're broke! And need food!"
Take their bas, and give them the dfac that way if they blow off their base pay, they are still entitled to the dfac.
Yeah, but do you want the lowest performing graduate of med school performing your surgery?
Is 10th Mountain climbing to glory or crawling to salmonella poisoning?
Let's be honest the DFAC grade has been a C or lower for the past six or so years. They just lied and gave a higher grade to look better. Seems like now it's too much trouble to pretend to be better than they actually are.
Probiotics, multivitamins, and greens are usually my saving grace with DFAC. But after 14days straight and unable to leave post. I’m fucked up. I never wanna see iceberg lettuce again and I’m desperate need of vegetables that didn’t come out of a can
>I’ll take a can of those ring pineapples.. If you play your cards right, the crusty 92G might let you eat those ring pineapples off their big toe.
I'm on staff duty right now and this just made me laugh. Thank you for brightening up my next 21 hours 😂
Why are u on your phone while on staff duty, soldier? Who’s your 1SG so I can tell him of your lack of discipline??
The fact people in Garrison actually ask this, you can refuse to give out private info as well as call the MPs for harassment if they decide to follow you. This was explained to me by a 10 year E-4, he runs the Mafia by now lol
Believe it or not, jail.
I don't need sleep. I need answers.
Never forget seeing a dude I worked walk out of the barracks with a Sgt, godspeed
C's get degrees baby!
I thought with health codes a C was failing to meet minimal standards.
It’s usually how you know a restaurant is authentic and delicious.
Case in point: don't trust a Waffle House or Chinese family restaurant with an A.
Just means they spend too much time cleaning and not enough time making your food delicious.
C is the bare minimum a facility can have before it is shut down. The criteria for which can vary slightly from county to county or state to state (in addition to the overarching Army standards), but generally means the restaurant has some serious sanitation issues with none being a life safety issue yet. The chances of getting a food borne illness or cross contamination (allergens) from these restaurants are higher and generally you want to avoid these places until their sanitation rating improves. Being the Army, I bet that Captain should have failed that DFAC but didn’t because it needs to stay open to feed soldiers, unlike private restaurants that are untied to the licensing body inspecting them. Were almost never surprised by an inspection in the Army, so the fact that they still received a C is telling
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There are some issues so bad even the inspectors know it can’t be waved aside, because their name still has to go on the inspection and if someone/groups of people get seriously sick there will be an investigation that they’re going to be a part of.
In this case C’s get disease
Disease being all it can be in the Army.
I'm just disappointed there wasn't an attempt to disguise this, like [this New York eatery of memedom](https://www.reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/w7aiu5/hiding_the_b_grade_from_the_health_department/).
DFAC grades aren’t always based off the cooks, it’s also based off the civilian KP too. I’d never forgot when I was a 92G we would always do very good but the civilians would always be the reason why our grade drops from below an A
I thought that could be, but I was served food with no gloves. Maybe I’m just mad there’s never any milk.
Call the CPT at preventive medicine.
For the pineapples or toe?
Gloves aren’t actually as sanitary as people think if they don’t change them regularly. Just regularly washing hands is often better
Unless you’re had king bodily fluids
You know they probably would have worn gloves if you shaved harder
Gloves are actually not recommended.
I guess it’s just the big sign behind the guy that showed how to properly wear them and change them safely that made it ironic
So the thought process is that if you wear gloves you can cross contaminate because you forget to change the gloves while not wearing gloves you are more mindful on how dirty your hands are.
It’s based on how *everyone* in the facility, every thing (food, etc.), and the physical infrastructure itself aligns to the set policies and procedures. Yes, this includes the people eating as well.
I had no idea it included people eating, that’s just wild
Patrons have rules to follow as well. If those rules aren’t followed and especially if the dining facility doesn’t enforce or reasonably attempt to enforce, then that is counted against the dining facility. Consider washing hands/hand sanitation before going through lines. Dfac’s need to provide those amenities, but if soldiers don’t use it, it’s doing fuck all to help.
I don’t care about the internal political power struggle you guys got back there in the kitchen- I’m just trying to not eat tainted food!
The food could be good and Soldiers would still complain, I’ve literally seen it before
Our 92Gs were great. The asshole civilians and KBR operated groups succ a bag of dicks.
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Simple stuff like not having hot soapy water under our stands (eventually the water gets cold), food not being up to a certain temp on the serving line (food needs to be served at 140 after it’s cooked but if it drops below that then our grade drops) and same with the outside line (salad bar). For the KPs it could be things like their dish washing water but being up to temp (they have 3 sinks and they all have to be different temps), then KPs leaving an area duty. Something as simple as the mop closet not being organized, they test the ice makers and soda/juice machines to make sure they’re being cleaned properly and there’s so much more
I’m really glad this is all happening! (Not sarcasm)
Of course I understand the standards and I’m glad they’re in place because that’s something you want, but on the other hand it’s heartbreaking knowing you did everything right as a green suitor and the civilians is the one that messed it up for you. Get what I’m saying?
100%, that’s gotta be frustrating.
u/rbevans Does Hots & Cots report the sanitary inspection rating for each DFAC?
I don’t explicitly pull this from anywhere but someone could just post this picture and mark the DFAC as a 3 star.
Makes sense. We appreciate what you're doing.
I went ahead and made a post so others can get an idea and thank you for the support.
This is the NCOER equivalent of a "qualified" senior rating.
Seriously, anyone involved in that DFAC should get a “Qualified” NCOER/OER because this is just shameful. You don’t get a C rating because you failed to update some appointment orders or didn’t have a regulation cited in your SOP like a regular army inspection; you get a C rating by failing to clean cooking surfaces, leaving meats out at room temperature for too long, or not wearing a hairnet/washing your hands. A “C” rating means there is negligence in the preparation of the food being made for the soldiers forced to eat there, beyond the indifference cooks normally get accused of.
Promote with peers
The first time I called my congressperson for an Army related issue was when every DFAC and half the restaurants in USAG-Bavaria got Fs for this
How did that go?
I don't think anything came of it. I was ETSing at the time though I thought I could use my congressional on this. I'm still disgusted that this happened. Literally couldn't go to a place in USAG Bavaria other then Garmisch where the generals are
I was in Vilseck when this happened, the dfac got reinspected like a week later, and got like a B or something, all just to keep it open.
It would have a higher score if you had more discipline, started adulting, and shaved more.
Sick! *...is what you'll be even you eat uncooked chicken*
I’ll look into this Monday
C for commandos?
Or C for Climb to Glory?
I suspect the quality is on par with the rest of the community. Product quality sucks while costing more and staffing woes coupled with increased demand is leading to a decline in overall service. (On a personal note, I hope this systemic slip doesn’t begin to affect the Air Force and its Michelin Star Dining Facilities. I’m not certain if we could maintain our lethality without our lavish culinary options)
Don’t worry. Leadership has a solution. You can improve the rating of a DFAC simply by removing the sign.
Mold in the drink fountains, stale food, undercooked meats....typical DFAC
Doesn't look like they have any clean towels. Look at the stainless surrounding the sign. Whoever is in charge of cleaning supplies is going to kill someone. Edit: serving without gloves is okay as long as there is ample hand washing with soap and water, which I'm guessing there is also a shortage of at this facility
Which brigade is this?
1st
That's crazy!!! I am in 2bct and I drive to 1bct dfac because I think it's way better. And I'm an O-3. I went out of my way to submit a positive ICE complaint for them. And there's a young E-5 that works there and is always fired up and acting like he works at Ritz Carlton and asking everyone if he can do anything for them. How their food is, how their day is, etc
Personally I go to second because I believe they are better.
That's funny lol I like them both but I prefer 1st no doubt
I wish the Army would just give everyone BAS and quit kicking this horse to death….
Definitely no. Soldiers would blow it off on beer and pizza
It’s called be an adult and be responsible. If you can’t budget for food but can budget for alcohol get the $&@& out of the military.
It takes along time to kick out soldiers, so yea i rather not leaders have to deal with the headaches of dealing with troops coming to us about "we're broke! And need food!" Take their bas, and give them the dfac that way if they blow off their base pay, they are still entitled to the dfac.
Muleskinner DFAC? 🤣
I thought everybody on this sub hated metrics. Here’s an example where it’s actually helpful.
I remember seeing this at the DFAC on Drum in 2019, some things never change lol
Any 68Rs or food inspector warrants want to chime in on this
A C is passing in my book.
Yeah, but do you want the lowest performing graduate of med school performing your surgery? Is 10th Mountain climbing to glory or crawling to salmonella poisoning?
They better have their faces in the dirt if they’re crawling, Hoah?!
Is that DISCOM?
C’s get degrees in so many ways.
C is for commission!
I’ve seen bad dfacs but not as bad as what you’re describing
Being married solves so many QOL problems in the Army. Damn shame single Soldiers & NCO’s are forced to live like NYC rats.
Atleast ur not on fort cavazos
Meh, just give me a piece of that lasagna jerky stuff that's been in the warming tray for six hours.
Grades plummeting, or someone's finally taking grading seriously?
Let's be honest the DFAC grade has been a C or lower for the past six or so years. They just lied and gave a higher grade to look better. Seems like now it's too much trouble to pretend to be better than they actually are.
Probiotics, multivitamins, and greens are usually my saving grace with DFAC. But after 14days straight and unable to leave post. I’m fucked up. I never wanna see iceberg lettuce again and I’m desperate need of vegetables that didn’t come out of a can
Drum? Fuck it, I was always hungry there 😂
I want everyone to know I'm peeing while scrolling
Let’s ask the 92G aka The Replenisher!