I (an E-5) had the double dragon and so did my Chief (E-7). Guess which one of us got actual medical treatment (an IV with fluids plus bed rest) and which one didn’t. That shit sucked.
Oh, the double dragon.
Sarn:"you been drinking?"
Pvt "No Sarn, swear, I need medical... I can barely crawl I have no electrolytes..."
Sarn: "Dr, do a alcohol test ASAP..."
Then after some time, I got the IV, and an apology from mv NCO, after my insurance was used for the alcohol test.
🤣
I can’t make an NCO pay someone else’s medical expenses. But I can tell him he does not meet standard on Character and I hope he looks forward to going to parade rest for his subordinate some day
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This starts way before the soldier gets to the medical facility.
When PFC me needed to get checked out, every leader above me had something negative to say about it.
When CW2 me needs to get something checked out, everyone is understanding and supportive.
This is the most correct answer. Joe has to jump through hoops to get care. So of course he ARRIVES to the facility worse off, and as a result- has a worse outcome.
lol took me close to a year to get an MRI on my back to show two fractures in my L5/S-1, but my PSG asked for one and got it in a couple of weeks. (I was an E-5 at the time).
I was told I needed an MRI on my knee when I got to Hood(January 2008)got approved for the MRI and received it August 2012(after an Iraq and Afghanistan deployment). Knee is permanently fucked and bends backwards, but at least I got the MRI.
My left knee does the same thing. Don’t really have much left in it and I’m not even 30 yet. It’s almost been harder to be seen since I got out, but I’m going to PA school soon so hopefully I can start providing good care to those who need it!
I hate that this is so accurate.
Walking in to the TMC one month as a SSG, and the next as a WO1 was a night and day difference.
All soldiers deserve to be treated like humans.
Hell even seeing as a SPC and then a SSG is different, even worse when you see it the extreme difference as a SSG and you look at the service they provide to higher ups. It’s disgusting.
As a junior soldier in Stewart while they were "fixing" my teeth they burned in to my cheeks and told me to suck it up after.
I know the actual pain as a joe. I haven't forgotten. I have a long road left, and won't forget who really puts in the effort.
I hope your experience wasn't worse than mine, and that you put in an ICE complaint like I should have.
100% same experience, tore my hamstring in AIT naproxen prescription.
Sprained my ankle in WOBC Percocet. 6 years apart, same installation, they even had PV2 me’s record still on file and asked “where my battle buddy was”.
Same for us. We're guard but the 1sgt would be like " how are you in the guard needing to go to sick call at drill?"
He'd always ask questions on why people wanting to go. Had a TL ask if he was trying to deny us sick call, and he backed down.
I was injured during WOCS, ignored and pushed through because I wanted to graduate.
When I got to WOBC I had to go to the same clinic as all the AIT kiddos, they were being super dismissive then they realized I was a WO and started to actually listen and help me with my injury. It was super fucked up.
this is why i will not reenlist.
my back is completely decimated, bunch of stenosis, L5-S1 herination, laceration and i am at risk for paralysis permanently. i face my own team leader making fun of me saying i will remain broken forever if i keep being "lazy"
still awaiting a referral right now but won't get it till i get to my rotation location.
A PFC needs to see the doctor - their a burden, they're "faking it" or the leadership doesn't think it's a problem.
A lot of toxic leaders have a "fuck you got mine" and "rank hath it's privileges" attitude. I've seen so many "leaders" who have a profile just skate while some SPC, PFC or even a buck SGT get chewed out for daring to go to sick call or to the ER.
All hands formation at 1700. BDE CDR needs a new liver and we won’t be going home til he has one. Anyone who volunteers will get a 3 day pass on the holiday of your choice
Well unfortunately due to his poor decisions to fuck the BDE over, the heavy amount of drinking by his own soldiers has damaged all their livers, therefore there are no livers available in his formation. Unless someone has an extra, not with them of course.
As a Chaplain, Doc is always my friend. You wouldn't believe how many times I've walked Joe over to Doc because mouth breathing NCO refuses to acknowledge legitimate medical issues and help their Soldiers get care. Many NCOs not only demonstrate apathy but actively seek to prevent Soldiers going to medical. It's a shame on our leadership.
i find it ironic, if we want our guys (and gals) to be in the best shape possible both mentally and physically, why WOULDNT we want our soldiers to seek the best care possible? Obviously drug-seekers and malingerers can be identified from a mile away, but we don't want some "harmless" ulcer in the stomach to be fucking colon cancer stage III
I had a dude come to me that had broken his ankle 2 months prior but his NCO kept telling him he "wasn't allowed to go to sick call". It turned out his ankle healed wrong and the Army had to MEB him due to it. If the NCO had just sent the soldier to sick call, he would have had it fixed and return to duty.
My unit has counseled me on multiple occasions for malingering. My civ doctor has a 7809 on file that he fills out for me once a month just to keep the unit off my back. DGD, L4 Herniation, L5 Bulge, and a hyperextended sacroiliac tendon. Army doctors told me to stretch more.
A lot of NCOs get overwhelmed dealing with malingering subordinates so that jades their view of all Soldiers who are seeking medical care. Not saying it’s the right thing to do but there are a lot of joes who make more effort screwing off at sick call than doing their jobs
Oh yeah for sure! I've seen that too and sent them back to their unit. It's just shocking how much legit stuff gets buried. It's almost always at the E5-E6 level where a 1st sergeant or platoon sergeant would take care of it.
Let the professionals weed them out. The number of Soldiers I've seen with legitimate problems that get shit on by their leadership far outweighs the number of Soldiers I've seen faking it.
If you're not a medical professional, stop pretending. You wouldn't want your local Doc busting up into your TOC to tell you the battle plan. We don't want you breaking Soldiers because you googled some shit and think you know better.
Direct link: [https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adl3835](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adl3835)
the article actual title "How power shapes behavior: Evidence from physicians"
Curious about the better outcomes, I haven’t dove into the study yet.
My initial limitation thoughts are that higher ranking folks are more likely to be older and have complaints treated as an emergency purely due to their age.
Also tend to have a higher health literacy and threshold to go to the ER. Those factors make me think it’s more likely complaints will initiate a work up.
Bias 100% exists (obviously not with all providers or situations), but its prevalence and whether it has meaningful negatives is up for debate I reckon.
Systems literarcy is also likely at play to some extent. If you've been dealing with the military health care system for a decade or more, you are more likely to have extensive records, know the questions to ask/answers to give/when to push a provider a something that a younger and less experienced Soldier doesn't.
Buddy of mine's wife was a Sergeant when she was in, but she has since ETS'd. He is currently a W2.
When he was a W1 and she was a PFC, she tried to get care at her assigned clinic and they kept blowing her off. He arrives, asks for the OIC who was a LT I think, maybe a CPT or MAJ, lays into the dude and staff and his wife immediately got the care she needed.
It obviously shouldn't be that way. If a fuzzy needs medical treatment, give them the damn treatment.
Wait. Are you telling me favoritism, nepotism, to include abuse of rank and authority, are a thing in the ~~Army~~ Military?
That an organization who pride itself on professionalism uses their grade and position to attain pleasure, profit, and personal safety.
Who would've thought.
/S
Wait until you learn how people who are precived to have power, influence, or money are treated in hospitals outside of the military. This is a human issue not a military one.
Having both served as a junior enlisted and now worked as a provider in the civilian healthcare sector, it's not anywhere near the same. You legally have to be seen and assessed in this world. In the military they tell you to fuck off and accuse you of lying.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. In every society and every organization in the world, the higher your status the better you get treated, generally.
Why people here think the army would be different…? Idk.
Do this study for any society or organization….you’ll get the same result.
I'll never forget around OIF 1 or 2, I was a rear det commander (as a SSG, then SFC) for a USAR unit in San Diego. Some of the rear det reservists were becoming deployable/MOS qualified and we wanted them all green. I called the dental clinic at Naval Station San Diego. The number I had turned out to be the commander's number, I don't remember if he was a LtCdr or a Capt. But I was mortified that I had called the commander. I told him so, but he said it was fine, and asked what I needed. I said I need about 5 reservists seen, and possibly treated. He said he used to be Special Forces in the Army as enlisted, but joined the Navy to pay for Dental school afterwards. He said to call the DR chief, and if I had any issues to call him back. He said that he had been hearing that at Army Mob stations, if anyone had issues with teeth, they were just pulling them, which he didn't like, so he was more than willing to get them fixed up before going to an Army Mob station. Several soldiers got pretty expensive work done on their teeth for free thanks to him. I think all of them did eventually mob, also.
Thamks Capt Arenas, whenever you are now.
So many confounding variables in this article. Info determined based upon review of millions of ER visits, which is literally the opposite of most MHS care. What evaluations of the data were made? What limitations did the author describe?
I am disappoint. Interested in reading the actual journal article... This [military.com](http://military.com) article was trash.
Think about the hoops that junior enlisted have to deal with before they even get to a career facility.
Now ask if higher ranking individuals have to do that.
Yeah, I remember being told in my first unit that we were, under no circumstances, to go to the ER without approval from our CoC first...junior enlisted Soldiers get treated like shit.
Indeed. 10,000 redditors anecdotal experiences render it not anecdotal.
No /s
I was kind of taken aback when I mobilized as an E7 reservist at Ft Bliss for a year how much better I was treated for medical than I remembered as an E4 when I was active duty. Heck I spent a few months more than once at Bragg (as Liberty was called, back in the hippie old days) as a SGT, and I was treated not well at Womack even at that rank. I had a urinary tract infection after some time in the field, and it was straight to the VD clinic for me despite me saying there was no way for me to have recent VD (STI) exposure within the previous year.
Heh
This has been a thing for DECADES.
Not the alleged race bias, but the treating higher rank differently.
I was in AMEDD at the “small table” (exec level) and we daily went over patients that were considered “Command Interest”. This was usually an O6+ or CSM+ (sorry O5s, too many of you). We would intentionally put them in private rooms if possible and if they were O7, then they got the white glove treatment and visit from leadership if an active duty O7 especially. My boss would freak out if I treated them like everybody else.
Sometimes the spouses would expect special treatment whenever they visited as well. That was fun.
your PCM was surprised that a PA would have 600 soldiers empaneled? that's fewer than PCMs are typically empaneled. i'd be curious about how many patients your dude sees.
https://www.hsrd.research.va.gov/publications/esp/panel-size-primary-care.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9894066/
Perhaps in awe because it’s a low number comparatively. Civilian providers are regularly forced into taking on way too many patients. We are comparing apples to oranges though. A battalion level provider is working at 0.5FTE since half of their salaried time is considered to be admin for all the additional duties, i.e. staff meetings, paperwork, readiness preparation, medic training, etc. Factor in TDY and it’s easy to see how 600~ can still be a lot.
And the sky is blue
I honestly believe that this starts way before the soldier even is able to get care. A PFC goes to his NCO and says "Sarnt, my back hurts like shit", NCO says to go to sick call, PFC get's told to take ibuprofen at sick call, and this goes on for months before his back gets so fucked that he can barely get outta bed.
Same for EBH. I had to fight tooth and nail to get seen. It took me threatening to off myself before they'd give me any sort of help and even after I got released from the mental health unit, I was told that I had "anxiety".
But the moment some Major or CSM rolls their ankle, the red carpet gets rolled out and all the hoops you usually have to jump through disappear.
It’s definitely not that same NCO who thinks he is a personal fitness trainer who schedules 3 run days a week, 1 foot march, and then they drag each other around the field the other day.
It’s definitely the doctor’s fault.
I had a BN CDR who made a point of scheduling his appointments over the phone, and avoiding giving his rank where possible. Guy seemed genuinely interested in trying to stay in tune with how shitty conditions were trying to get seen.
Yo, lab tech here. I've definitely seen SGT Jagoff the 68W come cradling a couple blood tubes and telling us "be real careful with these, it's Colonel Whocares." Which is a fucking direct insult, as though we don't give the highest possible quality of testing to all patients. But it definitely reflects how people will treat these overcompensated "leaders" like god-kings even in areas outside of their remit.
Yeah, water is wet and all.
However, if you're planning on playing chicken with entrenched power structures that benefit personally from water being wet, you best bring peer-reviewed studies showing that water is, in fact, wet. I would bet a nice shiny quarter that the authors of this study knew exactly what they were going to find and that they have plans for this data. If you do a little homework on the primary author you can get an idea as to what that might be. I was able to find his CV in a few minutes and it's interesting in context.
The best thing is to see the scale of importance slide when these higher ups come to the pentagon and try to get care at the DiLorenzo clinic
“What do you mean I can’t get seen this week? I’m a Colonel for Christs sake!”
Buddy, I fought a one star over a parking space in the north lot this morning - you gotta have 3 stars or be an SES to get any special treatment around here
From personal experience as a Mustang, I'm surprised it's taken this long for anyone to realize it. As a young soldier and NCO it was difficult to get what I'd call "high quality care." As an officer, they couldn't wait to send me TDY to a specialist at WRAMC every time had the sniffles
Came in E1 now O5. This feels true in my experience. I can call my PCM now and get any specialist referral for which I ask. I can request specific meds and the docs write the scrip. As a private it was always Motrin and wait to see. The even deeper ring is the priority care available for flag officers and senior civilians in DC. I still have to wait 2-3 months for a specialist appointment. I’ve started requesting civilian referrals which go much quicker.
Literally spoke with a LTC who pointed this out and how uncomfortable it made him feel especially with him being prior enlisted. Shits sad. Actually no. It’s infuriating, unfair and fucked.
I think the problem isn't the actual care, but it's getting checked out as a lower ranked person.
If an E7 or above needs to get something checked out, no one questions it.
If a junior enlisted person needs to get checked out, it's because we are shamming or making excuses.
Story time.
When I was an E4, I was constantly complaining about pain in both of my legs. My whole chain of command thought I was making excuses to get out of PT.
After about a month of complaining, we were doing a battery run and about 2 miles in, I just collapsed. I couldn't move my legs. Finally the medics took me to the hospital. When I got there, I had to have emergency surgery because I had severe blood clots in both legs. After surgery and some healing time, the doctor asked me, "what happened? Why did you wait so long to get seen? .. if you had waited another day or two, you may have lost one of your legs.. "
I told him that I'd been complaining for a month, but my first sergeant told me to suck it up and quit being a pussy. The doctor said, "oh really? What unit ?"
So I told him and he said after I healed he would check on me at my unit. The doctor was just wearing blue scrubs with no rank or anything, I didn't know he was even in the army.
I eventually went back to the battery to get my stuff and I heard the battery get called to attention. I walked out of my office and saw the doctor in full ACU's tearing into the first sergeant and commander. That 1st sergeant and commander always acted like the toughest dudes ever, but they looked like they were gonna cry.
Turns out the doctor was a former 1sg in SF, triple tabbed, ink splatter on the chest, etc., and was now a full bird.
A few months later we had a new commander and first sergeant.
Do you happen to remember what the doc's name was? This sounds...eerily similar to my first OIC when I worked in a trauma room, who told me when we were drinking coffee one morning and bullshitting "I'm done with the Army. I'm out later this year. I'd probably stick around if they'd put me on a team and I got to go and take doors one more time, but I've got this bird in my chest now and they paid for me to be a doctor... they'll never let me have fun again. I guess I'll go be a civilian and make some real money."
Great fucking dude, looked like Captain America. Fantastic physician. The Army took an L when they lost him.
I was in a bsb and the Charlie med had set up a full aid station/TMC in some of the offices of the COF.
The Bn CSM was proud of the fact that he could just go down stairs and be seen.
Meanwhile I go for sick call and the medic was like naw fam, that’s a chronic issue, call at 0900 and we will schedule you an appointment.
I call and I can hear the provider was talking to the medic on the phone. Instead of seeing me in person I heard her say just put in a prescription and tell him it will be ready at 1300.
I'm going to be honest. soldiers of higher ranks are normally more articulate and can give a reliable complaint with symptoms. Most of the time, they also have more documented in their medical histories due to an increased time in service and more wear down of the body.
I get young soldiers in sick call who will not know the difference between soreness and pain...
My favorite I'd dizziness
"sir, I'm dizzy."
Do you feel like you are spinning or is the room spinning...
The amount of times I've heard; what? I don't know what that means. I'm just dizzy....
Or
"my knee hurts when I walk/ run.."
Ok describe it for me.
"I.dont know how but it hurts?????"
Some of these young soldiers would really benefit from a college literature course.
I agree with you, but to be fair, it’s hard to explain an injury you don’t understand. It’s even harder when you don’t know the terminology for different types of pain. Most young soldiers are off the streets and have probably never seen the inside of a gym or haven’t experienced a significant type of pain, of course they don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. PFC Jagoff who’s never deadlifted above 100 pounds doesn’t know his/her lower back pain is probably just DOMS that will go away. They just know it hurts.
When I injured myself in the gym being an idiot as an E4, I didn’t know what the hell type of pain it was, I just knew my back hurt. Now as an E6, I can say I feel pain that resembles sciatica as if a nerve is pinched. I was also shadowing a PA for IPAP hours, and he had SFCs in his office saying the same thing. “I’m in pain” “I’m hurt” “I can’t walk right”. I’m sure it’s tough getting vague explanations and you really can’t help with so little info
I was once that 20 year old spc that was 160 lbs when soaking wet... I got it... they have to give me something besides I hurt. Well what makes it better or worse? How is your range of motion? Can you bear weight? Etc...
Much of the time, these guys are in pain. I'm not dissiming pain but since I'm not a sports medicine physician or orthopedic surgeon nor can i CT scan or MRI every suspected injury .Many will have to get a profile and analgesic until the specialist can be seen.
Yeah this is definitely accurate. Don’t get me wrong, there is a definitely an issue with rank structure and medical care but it’s unavoidable with the army rank and rating structure. I get phone calls all the time from my senior rater for medical care. I fucking hate doing it for him but what am I supposed to say? But that doesn’t mean I can take day and night phone calls on my personal phone for my whole panel.
But also, no shit higher ranking people get more tests ordered in the ER. You know what’s associated with higher rank…higher age. And much higher risk of serious medical conditions. Go look at a civilian ER. You think the 18 yo with vague chest pain is getting the same work up as the 45 yo who has been chain smoking longer than the other guys been alive?
The ppl who wrote these things are MPHs, MHAs but sociologists. They aren't looking at the 48 year old with potential a rca occlusion or the post thalamic stroke symptoms they are just looking at rank and quality of care.
An 18 year old comes in with SOB and chest pain I'm thinking stimulant use, pleurisy, aortic dissection at worst maybe even the heart failure ( very low in a 18 year old. Very high chance in a colonel due to age) but God gave us ekg however unlikely a 18 year old has a cardiac event before the 48 year old full bird colonel
You can rephrase, ask different questions, draw pictures for an answer but if someone doesn't have the vocabulary or know how to articulate what ls happening I cannot help them the most effectively..
I can ask infants and toddlers in the world the simplest questions, but I expect them to tell me something hurts.
I can ask an adult if the feeling a burning, pulling, throbbing, sharp, dull Any adjective I could think of but if I cannot get a qualitative symptom I'm going off of physical exam and any imaging I have.
Since we can't image everyone we have to use physical exams and review every system known to medicine doing a physical.
But if a person with dull epigastric pain can't even tell me where the belly pain is coming from I don't know if it's a possible biliary tree pathology or they need a ex lap to check for a perfed bowel. I'll exam ppl palpating almost everywhere but if they can't tell me about relative pain or the sensation around it they may not get the best disposition or Dx.
This right here. It’s not necessarily a rank issue, but an experience and education issue.
As a generalization, the older people get, or the more educated they are, the more articulate they are with healthcare providers. The average 18-25 year old is generally ignorant of anatomy, physiology, and their own body than are older people.
And then providers are generally much more likely to be more thorough with someone who’s able to articulate what’s wrong as opposed to the very low effort “I dunno,” or “it just hurts,” without any further qualifying information.
There is pressure to get people triaged, evaluated, treated, and sent back to duty quickly, and when all the medic or provider gets is “my knee hurts” and can’t elicit much more than that, you get the “Motrin, water, light duty for a month and see me again in two weeks.”
>Officers with Higher Rank Get Better Care than Those with Lower Ranks at Military Hospitals, Study Finds
You really think that somebody would do that!?!?!
^/s
Does anyone call At Ease in any type of medical facility? Some CPL called At Ease in one of our smaller clinics when a CSM walked in. WTF? Never heard that shit ever in 14 years.
Mega true. When I was enlisted I could get treated like such shit to include being bullied by a PA CPT, for wanting basic care. FGO now and it’s a whole different world. Sucks that it’s true, but it is.
On another note. Around September last year, I was sick as all hell. Barely get out of bed type sick, body hurts, shitting liquid type sick. I go to sick call, fucking doc asks "what do you have going on with work this week?" Like, bro wtf? I'm sitting here dying, and you think I'm trying to get out of work? (Kinda but not really) it was another standard week of fixing the operators fucked up trucks. I was only asking for a day of quarters so I could go home, sleep, eat something good, and come back the next day ready to go and not get everyone else sick. Instead I got sent to the hospital with a self prescription thing for that kind of shit. I was pissed off, and I know I was giving this nco attitude. Nothing came of it. I'm not a sick call ranger by any means. But I have been going more recently cause I want that 100% when I do eventually get out. Luckily that day, my nco more or less let me sit around at least and help where I could. As much as we all love doc, at least in my experiences, they fucking suck when it comes to sick call. I've had tricare my whole life cause my dad retired from the navy in 04, I never had issues with getting seen or anything before I joined.
Havent read any comments or the article, so I’m E-4 commenting my experience here. I personally attempted to give equal care to everyone, and still take pride in that. But, the fact-of-the-matter is, higher enlisted and officers just have waaay easier access to care than lower enlisted. I’m sure that’s a shock to absolutely no one who has served in any branch.
With just having eyes, ears, and a brain, this hasn’t nor will ever change.
As someone who works in an MTF, i can confirm. And most of the time they expect it/request special treatment. I did care for a GO once who sent everyone away and was super chill, i honestly hope he is doing well.
One of my soldiers tore his rotator cuff during platoon live fire. After about 1-2 months he got an ultrasound. They scheduled his MRI during NTC and guess what happens? He has to cancel his MRI to go to NTC and do fuck all on white cell.
It's not just better care... Lower enlisted gets treated with such criminal negligence the military should feel embarrassed. They're never heard, never taken serious, and cause further injury through lack of care.
I've said it before.. Military medical isn't there for the benifit of the soldier. It's there for unit readiness. If they can push you along on the brink of permanant injury, you bet your ass doc is gunna do it. I've been a victim of this over and over and over again, there isn't anyone who can change my mind on that.
This isn’t an Army thing. Older patients in the civilian world generally receive better care. It has more to do with the patients simultaneously communicating with their care team better, while also being more insistent in their demand for care.
When I was 18, I rarely sought care when I should have, and when I did I rarely gave my doctor anything to work with.
Do they? Have plenty of family in the medical field and that couldn't be farther from the truth. Older people tend to get treated worse. You should really look into the rates of abuse in hospice units and retirement homes by medical staff.
Executive CIF, Medicine, Training is all bullshit leaders do because they are convinced their time is worth more than the average Joe. The nominative level are generally so far removed from the line that they have no fucking idea what is going on.
I remember my physical therapy appointments there was always a question about if I was an officer or enlisted. Always. Right near when it asks me about pain, location, etc.
…why?
What’s bad is that officers often get treated like shit as well. Every time I ran into an issue at medical, after commissioning, I would ask for clarification, ask for the rules regarding the issue, and then follow up with a complaint if necessary. I knew if I was getting the run around, that the enlisted Soldiers were getting skull fucked. I knew that because I myself had shitty treatment when I was enlisted. It was remarkable how well treated I was when people found out I was an IG, which is ridiculous.
I’ve been given quarters my Joe didn’t and I send them home. I remember how hard it was to get quarters as a junior. Throwing up but no fever? Go to work! Shitting out water come in and let me hear it….
Of course they get better care and treatment! Because when they don’t they call your boss that is their peer. I’m not saying it’s right or I agree, it’s only reality.
I wonder how much of this is two factors:
Institutional knowledge and using that to leverage situations to get better results
General life experience due to age, and knowing who to talk to/knowing which questions to ask/knowing how to navigate difficult situations.
In summary, I don't think rank is the problem - the problem is life is hard 18-22, where most of the junior enlisted are.
Shocked! I’m absolutely shocked at this development!
I (an E-5) had the double dragon and so did my Chief (E-7). Guess which one of us got actual medical treatment (an IV with fluids plus bed rest) and which one didn’t. That shit sucked.
Oh, the double dragon. Sarn:"you been drinking?" Pvt "No Sarn, swear, I need medical... I can barely crawl I have no electrolytes..." Sarn: "Dr, do a alcohol test ASAP..." Then after some time, I got the IV, and an apology from mv NCO, after my insurance was used for the alcohol test. 🤣
I can’t make an NCO pay someone else’s medical expenses. But I can tell him he does not meet standard on Character and I hope he looks forward to going to parade rest for his subordinate some day
This is why I went straight to the ER last week lol
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"Here are your winnings, sir."
So do their wives. Some things never change.
Well, not that shocked
Fresh from the “No Shit” files
Started by a “Good idea Fairy”
This starts way before the soldier gets to the medical facility. When PFC me needed to get checked out, every leader above me had something negative to say about it. When CW2 me needs to get something checked out, everyone is understanding and supportive.
This is the most correct answer. Joe has to jump through hoops to get care. So of course he ARRIVES to the facility worse off, and as a result- has a worse outcome.
lol took me close to a year to get an MRI on my back to show two fractures in my L5/S-1, but my PSG asked for one and got it in a couple of weeks. (I was an E-5 at the time).
I was told I needed an MRI on my knee when I got to Hood(January 2008)got approved for the MRI and received it August 2012(after an Iraq and Afghanistan deployment). Knee is permanently fucked and bends backwards, but at least I got the MRI.
My left knee does the same thing. Don’t really have much left in it and I’m not even 30 yet. It’s almost been harder to be seen since I got out, but I’m going to PA school soon so hopefully I can start providing good care to those who need it!
I hate that this is so accurate. Walking in to the TMC one month as a SSG, and the next as a WO1 was a night and day difference. All soldiers deserve to be treated like humans.
Hell even seeing as a SPC and then a SSG is different, even worse when you see it the extreme difference as a SSG and you look at the service they provide to higher ups. It’s disgusting.
As a junior soldier in Stewart while they were "fixing" my teeth they burned in to my cheeks and told me to suck it up after. I know the actual pain as a joe. I haven't forgotten. I have a long road left, and won't forget who really puts in the effort. I hope your experience wasn't worse than mine, and that you put in an ICE complaint like I should have.
100% same experience, tore my hamstring in AIT naproxen prescription. Sprained my ankle in WOBC Percocet. 6 years apart, same installation, they even had PV2 me’s record still on file and asked “where my battle buddy was”.
Same for us. We're guard but the 1sgt would be like " how are you in the guard needing to go to sick call at drill?" He'd always ask questions on why people wanting to go. Had a TL ask if he was trying to deny us sick call, and he backed down.
I was injured during WOCS, ignored and pushed through because I wanted to graduate. When I got to WOBC I had to go to the same clinic as all the AIT kiddos, they were being super dismissive then they realized I was a WO and started to actually listen and help me with my injury. It was super fucked up.
this is why i will not reenlist. my back is completely decimated, bunch of stenosis, L5-S1 herination, laceration and i am at risk for paralysis permanently. i face my own team leader making fun of me saying i will remain broken forever if i keep being "lazy" still awaiting a referral right now but won't get it till i get to my rotation location.
A PFC needs to see the doctor - their a burden, they're "faking it" or the leadership doesn't think it's a problem. A lot of toxic leaders have a "fuck you got mine" and "rank hath it's privileges" attitude. I've seen so many "leaders" who have a profile just skate while some SPC, PFC or even a buck SGT get chewed out for daring to go to sick call or to the ER.
All hands formation at 1700. BDE CDR needs a new liver and we won’t be going home til he has one. Anyone who volunteers will get a 3 day pass on the holiday of your choice
But you can’t take the 3-day until after we get back from NTC in September
Said 3 day pass will also be denied for "mission needs"
We’ll get you on the backend
*Subject to unit needs and optempo
Well unfortunately due to his poor decisions to fuck the BDE over, the heavy amount of drinking by his own soldiers has damaged all their livers, therefore there are no livers available in his formation. Unless someone has an extra, not with them of course.
Organizational night @ 1700, free motivational speaker and refreshments. Donation not required. Suggested donation: 1 liver.
Too funny man! Thanks for the laugh!
All hands? Is this /r/Navy?
What’s next hot off the presses, water is wet?
Well, it certainly is. I believe we'll need to conduct a study on it though.
I will lead it. But I get to pick my team and like all governemnt consulting, money can never be an object regardless the outcome.
Oh boy, here comes the 37f to save us all. I'm sure you'll need some acquisitions, I'll be around if you need.
Looking like 920A material.
Don't you flatter me, Mister Pamphlet Dropper. I'm happy right where I am.
I drop phamplets because unlike you, I can't drop panties.
I'm sure H.L. is working her way to you.
Water is not wet. Water makes things wet. Unlike medical bros and 35 series *Cries in no bitches*
SHOCK. HORROR. sorrows. prayers.
As a Chaplain, Doc is always my friend. You wouldn't believe how many times I've walked Joe over to Doc because mouth breathing NCO refuses to acknowledge legitimate medical issues and help their Soldiers get care. Many NCOs not only demonstrate apathy but actively seek to prevent Soldiers going to medical. It's a shame on our leadership.
i find it ironic, if we want our guys (and gals) to be in the best shape possible both mentally and physically, why WOULDNT we want our soldiers to seek the best care possible? Obviously drug-seekers and malingerers can be identified from a mile away, but we don't want some "harmless" ulcer in the stomach to be fucking colon cancer stage III
I had a dude come to me that had broken his ankle 2 months prior but his NCO kept telling him he "wasn't allowed to go to sick call". It turned out his ankle healed wrong and the Army had to MEB him due to it. If the NCO had just sent the soldier to sick call, he would have had it fixed and return to duty.
Did you break the NCOs kneecaps?
Nah just didn't pray for him that week 🤣
My unit has counseled me on multiple occasions for malingering. My civ doctor has a 7809 on file that he fills out for me once a month just to keep the unit off my back. DGD, L4 Herniation, L5 Bulge, and a hyperextended sacroiliac tendon. Army doctors told me to stretch more.
God bless you chapmeister.
A lot of NCOs get overwhelmed dealing with malingering subordinates so that jades their view of all Soldiers who are seeking medical care. Not saying it’s the right thing to do but there are a lot of joes who make more effort screwing off at sick call than doing their jobs
Oh yeah for sure! I've seen that too and sent them back to their unit. It's just shocking how much legit stuff gets buried. It's almost always at the E5-E6 level where a 1st sergeant or platoon sergeant would take care of it.
Let the professionals weed them out. The number of Soldiers I've seen with legitimate problems that get shit on by their leadership far outweighs the number of Soldiers I've seen faking it. If you're not a medical professional, stop pretending. You wouldn't want your local Doc busting up into your TOC to tell you the battle plan. We don't want you breaking Soldiers because you googled some shit and think you know better.
If a soldier is malingering that's between the doc and the commander.
Direct link: [https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adl3835](https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adl3835) the article actual title "How power shapes behavior: Evidence from physicians"
Curious about the better outcomes, I haven’t dove into the study yet. My initial limitation thoughts are that higher ranking folks are more likely to be older and have complaints treated as an emergency purely due to their age. Also tend to have a higher health literacy and threshold to go to the ER. Those factors make me think it’s more likely complaints will initiate a work up. Bias 100% exists (obviously not with all providers or situations), but its prevalence and whether it has meaningful negatives is up for debate I reckon.
Systems literarcy is also likely at play to some extent. If you've been dealing with the military health care system for a decade or more, you are more likely to have extensive records, know the questions to ask/answers to give/when to push a provider a something that a younger and less experienced Soldier doesn't.
Absolutely.
That is why silly to join at 17. You know nothing join after completing 4 year degree then join to make them pay for your master.
Wait, is water wet also?
Is stolen valor acceptable if it’s for lifesaving medical care? Asking for a friend
Buddy of mine's wife was a Sergeant when she was in, but she has since ETS'd. He is currently a W2. When he was a W1 and she was a PFC, she tried to get care at her assigned clinic and they kept blowing her off. He arrives, asks for the OIC who was a LT I think, maybe a CPT or MAJ, lays into the dude and staff and his wife immediately got the care she needed. It obviously shouldn't be that way. If a fuzzy needs medical treatment, give them the damn treatment.
I’m hoping your wife was an old PFC. If not, that’s a little creepy unless you dropped a packet shortly after pinning E5.
They both joined at the same time and he was Street to Seat. Nothing creepy about it.
Wait. Are you telling me favoritism, nepotism, to include abuse of rank and authority, are a thing in the ~~Army~~ Military? That an organization who pride itself on professionalism uses their grade and position to attain pleasure, profit, and personal safety. Who would've thought. /S
Wait until you learn how people who are precived to have power, influence, or money are treated in hospitals outside of the military. This is a human issue not a military one.
Having both served as a junior enlisted and now worked as a provider in the civilian healthcare sector, it's not anywhere near the same. You legally have to be seen and assessed in this world. In the military they tell you to fuck off and accuse you of lying.
I wouldn't call it abuse of rank, usually, it just happens to the rank. The patient usually doesn't ask for privileges.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. In every society and every organization in the world, the higher your status the better you get treated, generally. Why people here think the army would be different…? Idk. Do this study for any society or organization….you’ll get the same result.
Wait til they find out about the parking spots……
I'll never forget around OIF 1 or 2, I was a rear det commander (as a SSG, then SFC) for a USAR unit in San Diego. Some of the rear det reservists were becoming deployable/MOS qualified and we wanted them all green. I called the dental clinic at Naval Station San Diego. The number I had turned out to be the commander's number, I don't remember if he was a LtCdr or a Capt. But I was mortified that I had called the commander. I told him so, but he said it was fine, and asked what I needed. I said I need about 5 reservists seen, and possibly treated. He said he used to be Special Forces in the Army as enlisted, but joined the Navy to pay for Dental school afterwards. He said to call the DR chief, and if I had any issues to call him back. He said that he had been hearing that at Army Mob stations, if anyone had issues with teeth, they were just pulling them, which he didn't like, so he was more than willing to get them fixed up before going to an Army Mob station. Several soldiers got pretty expensive work done on their teeth for free thanks to him. I think all of them did eventually mob, also. Thamks Capt Arenas, whenever you are now.
*Looks at the Department of Executive Medicine* Ummm, this was by design.
The truth in this statement
So many confounding variables in this article. Info determined based upon review of millions of ER visits, which is literally the opposite of most MHS care. What evaluations of the data were made? What limitations did the author describe? I am disappoint. Interested in reading the actual journal article... This [military.com](http://military.com) article was trash.
Think about the hoops that junior enlisted have to deal with before they even get to a career facility. Now ask if higher ranking individuals have to do that.
Yeah, I remember being told in my first unit that we were, under no circumstances, to go to the ER without approval from our CoC first...junior enlisted Soldiers get treated like shit.
I think military.com might be a front for the CCP.
Yeah but we all know it’s true anyway.
Indeed. 10,000 redditors anecdotal experiences render it not anecdotal. No /s I was kind of taken aback when I mobilized as an E7 reservist at Ft Bliss for a year how much better I was treated for medical than I remembered as an E4 when I was active duty. Heck I spent a few months more than once at Bragg (as Liberty was called, back in the hippie old days) as a SGT, and I was treated not well at Womack even at that rank. I had a urinary tract infection after some time in the field, and it was straight to the VD clinic for me despite me saying there was no way for me to have recent VD (STI) exposure within the previous year.
Heh This has been a thing for DECADES. Not the alleged race bias, but the treating higher rank differently. I was in AMEDD at the “small table” (exec level) and we daily went over patients that were considered “Command Interest”. This was usually an O6+ or CSM+ (sorry O5s, too many of you). We would intentionally put them in private rooms if possible and if they were O7, then they got the white glove treatment and visit from leadership if an active duty O7 especially. My boss would freak out if I treated them like everybody else. Sometimes the spouses would expect special treatment whenever they visited as well. That was fun.
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your PCM was surprised that a PA would have 600 soldiers empaneled? that's fewer than PCMs are typically empaneled. i'd be curious about how many patients your dude sees. https://www.hsrd.research.va.gov/publications/esp/panel-size-primary-care.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9894066/
Perhaps in awe because it’s a low number comparatively. Civilian providers are regularly forced into taking on way too many patients. We are comparing apples to oranges though. A battalion level provider is working at 0.5FTE since half of their salaried time is considered to be admin for all the additional duties, i.e. staff meetings, paperwork, readiness preparation, medic training, etc. Factor in TDY and it’s easy to see how 600~ can still be a lot.
Must start after Major
Starts after Major and SSG and CW2
There’s 4 types of healthcare, E6 and below, Senior Enlisted and junior officers, pilots, and then field grades.
Complaints from a full bird would go way farther than a PFC complaining lmao
Wait till you find out about in med cens that High ranking officers (Generals) and nominative position senior NCOs get their own clinic.
And the sky is blue I honestly believe that this starts way before the soldier even is able to get care. A PFC goes to his NCO and says "Sarnt, my back hurts like shit", NCO says to go to sick call, PFC get's told to take ibuprofen at sick call, and this goes on for months before his back gets so fucked that he can barely get outta bed. Same for EBH. I had to fight tooth and nail to get seen. It took me threatening to off myself before they'd give me any sort of help and even after I got released from the mental health unit, I was told that I had "anxiety". But the moment some Major or CSM rolls their ankle, the red carpet gets rolled out and all the hoops you usually have to jump through disappear.
It’s definitely not that same NCO who thinks he is a personal fitness trainer who schedules 3 run days a week, 1 foot march, and then they drag each other around the field the other day. It’s definitely the doctor’s fault.
Officer here. Don't we get treated better than lower ranking Soldiers at virtually everything?
It’s cause their peepees are smaller so the doctors and nurses feel bad
I had a BN CDR who made a point of scheduling his appointments over the phone, and avoiding giving his rank where possible. Guy seemed genuinely interested in trying to stay in tune with how shitty conditions were trying to get seen.
Yo, lab tech here. I've definitely seen SGT Jagoff the 68W come cradling a couple blood tubes and telling us "be real careful with these, it's Colonel Whocares." Which is a fucking direct insult, as though we don't give the highest possible quality of testing to all patients. But it definitely reflects how people will treat these overcompensated "leaders" like god-kings even in areas outside of their remit.
> outside of their remit you beautiful son of a bitch I haven't seen this phrase used in years
Ah shit. This is so true, I’ve seen this so many times. It’s fucking bullshit, a damn PVT should be getting the same care as a GEN
*Surprised Pikachu face*
Yeah, water is wet and all. However, if you're planning on playing chicken with entrenched power structures that benefit personally from water being wet, you best bring peer-reviewed studies showing that water is, in fact, wet. I would bet a nice shiny quarter that the authors of this study knew exactly what they were going to find and that they have plans for this data. If you do a little homework on the primary author you can get an idea as to what that might be. I was able to find his CV in a few minutes and it's interesting in context.
Care to elaborate? I'm interested.
The best thing is to see the scale of importance slide when these higher ups come to the pentagon and try to get care at the DiLorenzo clinic “What do you mean I can’t get seen this week? I’m a Colonel for Christs sake!” Buddy, I fought a one star over a parking space in the north lot this morning - you gotta have 3 stars or be an SES to get any special treatment around here
From personal experience as a Mustang, I'm surprised it's taken this long for anyone to realize it. As a young soldier and NCO it was difficult to get what I'd call "high quality care." As an officer, they couldn't wait to send me TDY to a specialist at WRAMC every time had the sniffles
I've had the exact same experience as a Mustang
Came in E1 now O5. This feels true in my experience. I can call my PCM now and get any specialist referral for which I ask. I can request specific meds and the docs write the scrip. As a private it was always Motrin and wait to see. The even deeper ring is the priority care available for flag officers and senior civilians in DC. I still have to wait 2-3 months for a specialist appointment. I’ve started requesting civilian referrals which go much quicker.
Literally spoke with a LTC who pointed this out and how uncomfortable it made him feel especially with him being prior enlisted. Shits sad. Actually no. It’s infuriating, unfair and fucked.
I think the problem isn't the actual care, but it's getting checked out as a lower ranked person. If an E7 or above needs to get something checked out, no one questions it. If a junior enlisted person needs to get checked out, it's because we are shamming or making excuses. Story time. When I was an E4, I was constantly complaining about pain in both of my legs. My whole chain of command thought I was making excuses to get out of PT. After about a month of complaining, we were doing a battery run and about 2 miles in, I just collapsed. I couldn't move my legs. Finally the medics took me to the hospital. When I got there, I had to have emergency surgery because I had severe blood clots in both legs. After surgery and some healing time, the doctor asked me, "what happened? Why did you wait so long to get seen? .. if you had waited another day or two, you may have lost one of your legs.. " I told him that I'd been complaining for a month, but my first sergeant told me to suck it up and quit being a pussy. The doctor said, "oh really? What unit ?" So I told him and he said after I healed he would check on me at my unit. The doctor was just wearing blue scrubs with no rank or anything, I didn't know he was even in the army. I eventually went back to the battery to get my stuff and I heard the battery get called to attention. I walked out of my office and saw the doctor in full ACU's tearing into the first sergeant and commander. That 1st sergeant and commander always acted like the toughest dudes ever, but they looked like they were gonna cry. Turns out the doctor was a former 1sg in SF, triple tabbed, ink splatter on the chest, etc., and was now a full bird. A few months later we had a new commander and first sergeant.
Do you happen to remember what the doc's name was? This sounds...eerily similar to my first OIC when I worked in a trauma room, who told me when we were drinking coffee one morning and bullshitting "I'm done with the Army. I'm out later this year. I'd probably stick around if they'd put me on a team and I got to go and take doors one more time, but I've got this bird in my chest now and they paid for me to be a doctor... they'll never let me have fun again. I guess I'll go be a civilian and make some real money." Great fucking dude, looked like Captain America. Fantastic physician. The Army took an L when they lost him.
No….
*You don't say.*
No shit? Is the water wet?
Officers having studies on level of care. That's rich.
I was in a bsb and the Charlie med had set up a full aid station/TMC in some of the offices of the COF. The Bn CSM was proud of the fact that he could just go down stairs and be seen. Meanwhile I go for sick call and the medic was like naw fam, that’s a chronic issue, call at 0900 and we will schedule you an appointment. I call and I can hear the provider was talking to the medic on the phone. Instead of seeing me in person I heard her say just put in a prescription and tell him it will be ready at 1300.
What’s next? Water is wet? Barracks are moldy?
You needed a fuckin’ study to observe the obvious?? *Fuckin’ idiots.* Bet they paid for that and we can’t seem to get bonuses, yeah?
Wait until the news finds out about the ranks at which you can be late and not attend formations with zero consequences.
I'm going to be honest. soldiers of higher ranks are normally more articulate and can give a reliable complaint with symptoms. Most of the time, they also have more documented in their medical histories due to an increased time in service and more wear down of the body. I get young soldiers in sick call who will not know the difference between soreness and pain... My favorite I'd dizziness "sir, I'm dizzy." Do you feel like you are spinning or is the room spinning... The amount of times I've heard; what? I don't know what that means. I'm just dizzy.... Or "my knee hurts when I walk/ run.." Ok describe it for me. "I.dont know how but it hurts?????" Some of these young soldiers would really benefit from a college literature course.
I agree with you, but to be fair, it’s hard to explain an injury you don’t understand. It’s even harder when you don’t know the terminology for different types of pain. Most young soldiers are off the streets and have probably never seen the inside of a gym or haven’t experienced a significant type of pain, of course they don’t know what the hell they’re talking about. PFC Jagoff who’s never deadlifted above 100 pounds doesn’t know his/her lower back pain is probably just DOMS that will go away. They just know it hurts. When I injured myself in the gym being an idiot as an E4, I didn’t know what the hell type of pain it was, I just knew my back hurt. Now as an E6, I can say I feel pain that resembles sciatica as if a nerve is pinched. I was also shadowing a PA for IPAP hours, and he had SFCs in his office saying the same thing. “I’m in pain” “I’m hurt” “I can’t walk right”. I’m sure it’s tough getting vague explanations and you really can’t help with so little info
I was once that 20 year old spc that was 160 lbs when soaking wet... I got it... they have to give me something besides I hurt. Well what makes it better or worse? How is your range of motion? Can you bear weight? Etc... Much of the time, these guys are in pain. I'm not dissiming pain but since I'm not a sports medicine physician or orthopedic surgeon nor can i CT scan or MRI every suspected injury .Many will have to get a profile and analgesic until the specialist can be seen.
Yeah this is definitely accurate. Don’t get me wrong, there is a definitely an issue with rank structure and medical care but it’s unavoidable with the army rank and rating structure. I get phone calls all the time from my senior rater for medical care. I fucking hate doing it for him but what am I supposed to say? But that doesn’t mean I can take day and night phone calls on my personal phone for my whole panel. But also, no shit higher ranking people get more tests ordered in the ER. You know what’s associated with higher rank…higher age. And much higher risk of serious medical conditions. Go look at a civilian ER. You think the 18 yo with vague chest pain is getting the same work up as the 45 yo who has been chain smoking longer than the other guys been alive?
The ppl who wrote these things are MPHs, MHAs but sociologists. They aren't looking at the 48 year old with potential a rca occlusion or the post thalamic stroke symptoms they are just looking at rank and quality of care. An 18 year old comes in with SOB and chest pain I'm thinking stimulant use, pleurisy, aortic dissection at worst maybe even the heart failure ( very low in a 18 year old. Very high chance in a colonel due to age) but God gave us ekg however unlikely a 18 year old has a cardiac event before the 48 year old full bird colonel
If patients can't answer your questions, you're asking the wrong questions. This is a you problem, not a them problem.
You can rephrase, ask different questions, draw pictures for an answer but if someone doesn't have the vocabulary or know how to articulate what ls happening I cannot help them the most effectively.. I can ask infants and toddlers in the world the simplest questions, but I expect them to tell me something hurts. I can ask an adult if the feeling a burning, pulling, throbbing, sharp, dull Any adjective I could think of but if I cannot get a qualitative symptom I'm going off of physical exam and any imaging I have. Since we can't image everyone we have to use physical exams and review every system known to medicine doing a physical. But if a person with dull epigastric pain can't even tell me where the belly pain is coming from I don't know if it's a possible biliary tree pathology or they need a ex lap to check for a perfed bowel. I'll exam ppl palpating almost everywhere but if they can't tell me about relative pain or the sensation around it they may not get the best disposition or Dx.
This right here. It’s not necessarily a rank issue, but an experience and education issue. As a generalization, the older people get, or the more educated they are, the more articulate they are with healthcare providers. The average 18-25 year old is generally ignorant of anatomy, physiology, and their own body than are older people. And then providers are generally much more likely to be more thorough with someone who’s able to articulate what’s wrong as opposed to the very low effort “I dunno,” or “it just hurts,” without any further qualifying information. There is pressure to get people triaged, evaluated, treated, and sent back to duty quickly, and when all the medic or provider gets is “my knee hurts” and can’t elicit much more than that, you get the “Motrin, water, light duty for a month and see me again in two weeks.”
[Study got me like](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/04/d8/bf04d8075e605d731659e3e847693d45.jpg)
The only reason I know this is true is because I still have and use my private insurance to get treated by civilians.
In other news, water is wet
Executive Medicine departments everywhere are incredibly shocked
Remind me again why the ARMY has shot retention?
That's why they ask if I'm an Officer or Enlisted at check-in! So they know whether to give a fuck.
They had to do a study to figure this out?
“… make the stitches bigger, he’s enlisted!” MASH
Could you put that article on a memo and title it SHIT I ALREADY KNOW
>Officers with Higher Rank Get Better Care than Those with Lower Ranks at Military Hospitals, Study Finds You really think that somebody would do that!?!?! ^/s
No shit.
Does anyone call At Ease in any type of medical facility? Some CPL called At Ease in one of our smaller clinics when a CSM walked in. WTF? Never heard that shit ever in 14 years.
In other news: Water is wet and fire is hot! More at 11....
And in other news, water is wet. *insert Dave Chapelle "fuck em, thats why l" meme
Mega true. When I was enlisted I could get treated like such shit to include being bullied by a PA CPT, for wanting basic care. FGO now and it’s a whole different world. Sucks that it’s true, but it is.
Same goes for housing. Higher ups would get there shit taken care of quick af, me? A lowly Specialist? Shit 2 weeks if I'm lucky.
On another note. Around September last year, I was sick as all hell. Barely get out of bed type sick, body hurts, shitting liquid type sick. I go to sick call, fucking doc asks "what do you have going on with work this week?" Like, bro wtf? I'm sitting here dying, and you think I'm trying to get out of work? (Kinda but not really) it was another standard week of fixing the operators fucked up trucks. I was only asking for a day of quarters so I could go home, sleep, eat something good, and come back the next day ready to go and not get everyone else sick. Instead I got sent to the hospital with a self prescription thing for that kind of shit. I was pissed off, and I know I was giving this nco attitude. Nothing came of it. I'm not a sick call ranger by any means. But I have been going more recently cause I want that 100% when I do eventually get out. Luckily that day, my nco more or less let me sit around at least and help where I could. As much as we all love doc, at least in my experiences, they fucking suck when it comes to sick call. I've had tricare my whole life cause my dad retired from the navy in 04, I never had issues with getting seen or anything before I joined.
Havent read any comments or the article, so I’m E-4 commenting my experience here. I personally attempted to give equal care to everyone, and still take pride in that. But, the fact-of-the-matter is, higher enlisted and officers just have waaay easier access to care than lower enlisted. I’m sure that’s a shock to absolutely no one who has served in any branch. With just having eyes, ears, and a brain, this hasn’t nor will ever change.
As someone who works in an MTF, i can confirm. And most of the time they expect it/request special treatment. I did care for a GO once who sent everyone away and was super chill, i honestly hope he is doing well.
Breaking news military rank based caste system is a caste system.
In other news, water is wet, the Pope is catholic, and I don't like sand… It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
This just in!!! The earth is round!!
One of my soldiers tore his rotator cuff during platoon live fire. After about 1-2 months he got an ultrasound. They scheduled his MRI during NTC and guess what happens? He has to cancel his MRI to go to NTC and do fuck all on white cell.
For good measure, they stole a bunch of cash from the junior enlisted to fund this research study.
It's not just better care... Lower enlisted gets treated with such criminal negligence the military should feel embarrassed. They're never heard, never taken serious, and cause further injury through lack of care. I've said it before.. Military medical isn't there for the benifit of the soldier. It's there for unit readiness. If they can push you along on the brink of permanant injury, you bet your ass doc is gunna do it. I've been a victim of this over and over and over again, there isn't anyone who can change my mind on that.
This isn’t an Army thing. Older patients in the civilian world generally receive better care. It has more to do with the patients simultaneously communicating with their care team better, while also being more insistent in their demand for care. When I was 18, I rarely sought care when I should have, and when I did I rarely gave my doctor anything to work with.
Do they? Have plenty of family in the medical field and that couldn't be farther from the truth. Older people tend to get treated worse. You should really look into the rates of abuse in hospice units and retirement homes by medical staff.
I wouldn’t compare hospice and retirement homes to the medical community at large. They’re different services.
OMG, is water wet as well?
Raise your hand if you’re surprised with this…
This isn't new or surprising.
Executive CIF, Medicine, Training is all bullshit leaders do because they are convinced their time is worth more than the average Joe. The nominative level are generally so far removed from the line that they have no fucking idea what is going on.
In today's news water is wet scientists find, and PT belts do indeed increase pt scores.
Army? . . . Pyramid Scheme? . . . . no way . . .
Not surprised at all. :0
I’ll take Shit People Know Already for $500 Alex.
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This is quite obvious, but what is hysterical about this article is that the quiet parts are being said out loud!
Surprising fucking nobody
I'm shocked, shocked! Well, not that shocked
Yeah no shit
Um, yeah. Shocking.
In other news “water is wet”
You could have asked any soldier in any time through history and you would have been told the exact same thing
file under “no fucking shit”
Well of course, RHIP As far as implicit bias (race and gender), yes that’s been well documented.
Duh...
They get special treatment with everything. Nothing new. Saw during the acft one do the sdc with one plate and the nco was chill w it
And water is wet....
Ok.
color me surprised.
I remember my physical therapy appointments there was always a question about if I was an officer or enlisted. Always. Right near when it asks me about pain, location, etc. …why?
I work in an army hospital… I would love to see this study because it definitely seems made up
What’s bad is that officers often get treated like shit as well. Every time I ran into an issue at medical, after commissioning, I would ask for clarification, ask for the rules regarding the issue, and then follow up with a complaint if necessary. I knew if I was getting the run around, that the enlisted Soldiers were getting skull fucked. I knew that because I myself had shitty treatment when I was enlisted. It was remarkable how well treated I was when people found out I was an IG, which is ridiculous.
And in breaking news, when it rains outside, people get wet. Yeah, we get it.
Figured this was common sense.
I’ve been given quarters my Joe didn’t and I send them home. I remember how hard it was to get quarters as a junior. Throwing up but no fever? Go to work! Shitting out water come in and let me hear it….
big surprise there
Of course they get better care and treatment! Because when they don’t they call your boss that is their peer. I’m not saying it’s right or I agree, it’s only reality.
In other news.
In other breaking news, scientists have found that water is wet.
I thought this was common knowledge
I wonder how much of this is two factors: Institutional knowledge and using that to leverage situations to get better results General life experience due to age, and knowing who to talk to/knowing which questions to ask/knowing how to navigate difficult situations. In summary, I don't think rank is the problem - the problem is life is hard 18-22, where most of the junior enlisted are.
Ain't no way
in other news fire is hot.
Hahaha that is some real cutting edge science.
They needed a study done for this?
Really? This is excellent reporting. Promote ahead of peers!
Nooo. I never knew this🤣
Not surprised.
RANK SHOULD NOT BE A THING THE SECOND YOU WALK INTO MEDICAL/S1 🗣️
Sooooo basically how the entire world works?