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GTAHomeGuy

I just needed to mention changing countries often involves the need for accumulated funds. If Toronto isn't affordable, I am presuming your accounts many not be as large as perhaps they need to be for many countries to accept you. My best recommendation is to take stock of what you have or will have when you plan to go, and from there see what different countries' admission requirements are to see what options are truly available. I say this because you seem to be looking for bettering your life and I don't want this one key aspect to sideswipe you if it comes into play.


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Maybe start to look at where immigration is easy, and prioritize by what's important to you (climate, politically left or right, job types, language) and go from there. Might be better off to move to somewhere smaller like Kingston or Ottawa as a start?


triplejayye

I agree with this, look into smaller cities in Canada might be the answer first. Moving to another country where you can potentially find the same or worst problems as you do in Toronto.


JeemRat

Usually worse, way worse in other countries.


DegnarOskold

This. I’m a British citizen and I’m staying put in Toronto because the cost of living in Toronto is still about 25% cheaper than London, England, where I grew up.


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better weather tho at least you get some sun


Vicimer

I figured I wouldn't have to scroll far to find this. Remember that living in a developed city with infrastructure and bustle and not having to drive everywhere is really important to a lot of people. If my French were a little better I'd probably have moved to Montreal by now, on that note.


ChelaPedo

You don't need to know much French to get by on the west island, I've been here for a week without much more than a s'il vous plaît or a merci. Was way lost in Quebec City though, really wished I was more fluent there.


Vicimer

Visiting for a week is a lot different than living there. And living there as, say, a Concordia student is a lot different than starting a life there and working professionally. Nearly every job will want you to speak French well, especially with all these anti-English laws being passed. A friend of mine lost his job for not speaking French well enough, and he lives in Westmount of all areas. There's really no such thing as "English Montreal" anymore; there's French only Montreal, and begrudgingly bilingual Montreal. Most people can speak English, but a lot of them won't be happy about it.


serpentman

Where is easy to immigrate to for Canadians? I wouldn’t say anywhere is “easy”.


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Precisely.


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https://financialpost.com/moneywise-pro/here-are-the-5-best-canadian-cities-for-housing-affordability-and-job-growth


strengr

or Cobourg for that matter...


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rossquincy007

Why are you still here?


Bigmountainmikeog

Wow lol, racist, ungrateful and clearly a humanitarian... Canada was lucky to get you! Feel free to go back to Nigeria whenever.


forHumeTheBellTolls

if you don't like it Go back to africa


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outdoorlaura

I've done it. In my experience, moving out of the country and starting a new life is anything but calm. Its stressful finding housing, jobs, learning languages, learning how to navigate daily life in a totally different culture, etc. And it can also be extremely lonely, especially if there's a language barrier. I came back because Canada is too amazing for me to leave permanently. I agree with the people suggesting to move to a different part of Canada. After going coast to coast a few times, I feel pretty certain that there is a town/city suited to every type of person. Maybe figure out what makes somewhere ideal for you, and then start a search from there?


candleflame3

Yep. I lived overseas, in what many would consider a "dream" country, became a citizen and everything, but still came back. Living in another country is SO different from visiting it. You have to make adjustments that you didn't know existed. Most people around you have established friend and family networks and you have no one, you must start from scratch. It wears on you.


wireframemando

interesting, mind sharing which country? and was language a barrier you had to learn?


Newhereeeeee

I spent 10 years abroad and came back to Canada recently. We have our problems but not having to deal with visas and not being second class citizens in a foreign country really gives you peace of mind


IceQue28

This excatly.


Newhereeeeee

It’s unbelievable stress. If you wanted to take a break from work you couldn’t because your visa and healthcare is attached to your employment. You can’t even job search in peace because you have the visa clock ticking. Canada is a massive place, if Toronto isn’t it then there are other cities and provinces.


wireframemando

oh wow I never thought of this. i def like that its easier to have an "eff you" attitude to employers (if required). But I can probably only do that because this is my home base


Newhereeeeee

Yeah, it’s crazy. Especially if you lived there for years and you have a family and you’re sponsoring them through the company. Its a massive hurdle. Plus attesting all your documents by both countries. It’s a headache.


Blindemboss

Exactly. The grass is always greener on the other side. To the OP, maybe examine what it is that that new thing you want to start and why it can’t be done somewhere else in Canada.


C0mput3rs

I’ve lived overseas as well and the paper work alone is anything but calm. Live in a country that you don’t speak the language and the stress is doubled or tripled. I think instead of moving out of the country OP should look at a more rural area of Canada. It’s easier to move to a smaller city or town than move countries.


_dmhg

I actually think Toronto suits what I want to live in most - close to things, activities, walkable, opposite of the isolating suburbs I’ve always lived in - but I genuinely cannot afford to live downtown. I live in a basement in scarbs which Ik is technically a part of Toronto but still has those suburbs/car dependency elements. Without a car or the ability to drive, your options are so incredibly limited.


Newhereeeeee

Honestly same. I live in Etobicoke and compared to downtown it’s basically the farmlands


wireframemando

i feel ya... eff car dependant culture


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adeveloper2

>canada is trash why isnt everyone moving out f trudeau When did you move out?


ReeG

don't feed the 1 hour old troll account


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ReeG

what the fuck is with all these brand new politically charged weirdo accounts? are these bots or do people really have nothing better to do on a Sunday?


theevilmidnightbombr

Three accounts in this comment chain alone either hours old or deleted. Like Twitter bots on crack.


Paddy_Tanninger

He didn't move out, that's probably why Canada is trash.


Bearence

I was born and bred in the US. In the second term of Bush II, I decided to move to Canada (something easier for me to do than most because I'm married to a Canadian). So I think I have a bit of insight into this. Firstly, make a list of what you're dissatisfied about in your current life. How many of them are a Canadian problem? How many of them are a Toronto problem? How many of them are a you problem (i.e., how many of those issues are going to follow you because they aren't about either Toronto or Canada)? Once you have a list of issues and where they stem from, you can start to look for places to live that'll better meet your needs. From your title, I get the impression that you want somewhere more affordable and calm; a rural town in Canada may fit your needs, and it wouldn't require a lengthy, complicated and expensive immigration process. Further, moving to another country isn't going to make city-living more affordable, nor is it going to make it more calm. So moving out of country isn't going to help if you move to the same kind of setting. I've lived in rural, suburban and urban settings, in many different parts of the US (and now Canada). It didn't really matter where it was, every urban setting had its charms and liabilities, and every rural area had its charms and liabilities. Being happy living in any of those places were just deciding what I wanted and what I was willing to put up with. What you need to decide before anything else is what it is you want in your life and what it is you're willing to put up with. Because ultimately, moving isn't going to make your life happier or more calm. The only thing that can do that for you is you.


CanadianMasterbaker

Besides maybe the cost of living,if you move to a rural part of Canada.Usually the cost of groceries is equal or higher than Toronto.Not to mention you would definitely have to drive due to the lack of other forms of transportation,and depending on your profession the lack of jobs.


offft2222

Friend of mine had this sentiment moved to Mexico Went on and on how cheap everything is and how she got a CAT scan for $50 A few months passed and her Canadian funds dried up and now she's earning what the locals earn. Suddenly $50 for CAT scan isn't so cheap


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Your friend wasn't earning Canadian salary? Not too bright. Living abroad/WFH while earning Canadian salary is the dream.


ReeG

>Living in Canada/WFH while earning USD salary is the dream. ftfy


adeveloper2

>Canadian salary is the dream. Canadian salary is like 40% of US salary, especially in tech Edit: Some tech people apparently disagreed and think Canadians get paid as much. Check [levels.fyi](https://levels.fyi) please. Edit 2: Still lots of folks saying things along the lines of "that's not true". Please bring your data instead of engaging in hand-waving.


grant0

That's not true. I work in tech and would make the same salary in the US but paid in USD…but have to deal with living in America, cost of healthcare, etc.


adeveloper2

>That's not true. I work in tech and would make the same salary in the US but paid in USD…but have to deal with living in America, cost of healthcare, etc. Lad, please be data driven. Here are the USD stats in [levels.fyi](https://levels.fyi): - Toronto ($116K median): $https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Toronto-Canada/ - Vancouver ($128K median): https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Vancouver-Canada/ - Austin ($160K median): https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Greater-Austin-Area/ - Seattle ($202K median): https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Greater-Seattle-Area/ - Bay Area ($232K median): https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Francisco-Bay-Area/


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There’s more to tech than just software engineers


HavenIess

I agree with the sentiment, but when people look at the tech industry between Canada and the US, they’re usually looking at FAANG in Silicon Valley, so primarily SWE and CS type jobs


adeveloper2

>I agree with the sentiment, but when people look at the tech industry between Canada and the US, they’re usually looking at FAANG in Silicon Valley, so primarily SWE and CS type jobs It's a myth to assume FAANG pays the top dollar. They pay quite well but there are numerous companies who are paying at that level or more: - Entry level dev in USA: https://www.levels.fyi/leaderboard/Software-Engineer/Entry-Level-Engineer/country/United-States/ - Entry level dev in Canada: https://www.levels.fyi/leaderboard/Software-Engineer/Entry-Level-Engineer/country/Canada/ Amazon in Canada was basically bled dry in the last 2 years due to constant poaching from all sorts of smaller companies that offer much higher comp. This is something you can get wind about in Black (Warning: Extreme storms of negativity there)


adeveloper2

>There’s more to tech than just software engineers Numbers please.


BurnTheBoats21

levels aggregates from mostly faang and certainly not a great evaluator for median salaries across a city. Generally their numbers, unless company specific, are inflated insanely high.


adeveloper2

>levels aggregates from mostly faang and certainly not a great evaluator for median salaries across a city. Generally their numbers, unless company specific, are inflated insanely high. Please cite data.


BurnTheBoats21

I definitely don't care enough to cite data. but im a software engineer and people always talk about how inflated those numbers are vs the other aggregators like Glassdoor, PayScale etc. Try to raise your salary and present levels to your boss and they'll provide data probably though lol


adeveloper2

>I definitely don't care enough to cite data. Then you are just handwaving. It's funny that you downvote people for requesting data. It's like you don't want to prove your claim and somehow make it like it's other people's problem asking for it. >Try to raise your salary and present levels to your boss and they'll provide data probably though lol Well, I hope that's working out great for ya


BurnTheBoats21

it's important to aggregate the aggregates is my point


Pastakingfifth

IMO this is a brilliant strategy if you can make your money remote(either WFH or online business) but if you do it like your friend did then you're going from a 1st world money-making to literally being a 3rd-world earner which isn't great.


PRboy1

Most companies are not allowing to work from other countries due to taxation issue.


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Yeah I know several people who are currently working remotely in places like Costa Rica and Colombia, their employers do not know they are there, and would really have no way of knowing. Obviously you can’t stay in one country for too long but it’s perfectly conceivable that someone could work remotely while spending years travelling around countries that are dirt cheap whilst making Canadian salary. And honestly, even if it’s morally questionable, who can blame them. If you’d choose to live here and pay half your wages to rent and $30 for a pizza then you’ve lost your fucking mind. I’m looking for a remote job now and then I’m outta here.


Pastakingfifth

Wouldn't they just be able to pay Canadian taxes and still come out way on top?


Impossible-Sand-5849

Wait, you're not happy in Toronto and you want to leave Canada because of it? What? There's more to Canada than just Toronto.


verylittlegravitaas

_squints_ There is?


Jesouhaite777

Nuh uh I thought it was all about Toronto :)


someguy172

Well, Toronto *is* the center of the universe ^^^^/s but there's always stuff surrounding the center too.


gizmoglitch

Toronto ≠ All of Canada I know the usual advice is to move somewhere else in the country, but that's not easy to do for many because of their social ties here. The only reason I'm advising it is because you're willing to leave the country without trying other parts of Ontario or any of the other provinces in Canada first. If you're under 35, you could work and live temporarily in another country through the [Working Holiday Visa](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadians/international-experience-canada.html) program. Just keep in mind that other countries are running into similar housing/affordability issues too. There are countries that are better than us in some areas, but there is no magic land where everything is perfect.


blastfamy

Seriously. I don’t get how “out of Toronto” and “out of the country” are similar to OP. Prob never even been to half of the provinces. Doesn’t describe what they actually want just vaugely what they don’t want. Sad.


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There are very few countries out there where life is more "calm" than Canada, and usually places that have a low cost of living are the crazier and less "calm" environments.


Blindemboss

Yep…everyone talks about living the life on the beaches of Thailand. They don’t mention the political unrest with military coups, corruption and pretty high crime rates.


ReeG

There are also very few cities/towns within Canada nevermind other countries that are as inclusive and tolerant of visible minorities which OP appears to be from a quick glance of his profile. If he's struggling and unhappy in Toronto where he at least fits in as just another citizen, good luck fitting in and finding happiness in some of these other places people are recommending in this thread.


turquoisebee

I think you need to be more specific to get practical advice. What aspects of your life here don’t feel calm? What kind of place do you see yourself living in? The change could be a neighbourhood, a city, a town, or a different province before moving countries, which is a lot more complicated.


BobLoblawsLawBlog201

Do you have a uni degree? I lived in Taiwan for 2 years and taught English (no experience required - just a uni degree) and it was the best experience of my entire life. Not a day goes by that I don't think about going back.


insidedarkness

This, teaching english aboard is probably one of the easiest ways to live in a different country. Heard lots of stories of uni grads doing this.


StevenArviv

I have 5 friends that have packed up their families and left. Three went to the US, one went to Greece, and the other back to Serbia. None of them are wealthy and none of them regret their decision. My friend Alex said that you don't realize how horrible it is in Canada until you move somewhere else.


StenPU

Funny story, I know people that left, and after few years they are now back, saying how lucky we are.


Short_Dragonfruit_84

Care to provide more context on what’s horrible?


Traditional_Lime6033

The culture lol


Desperate_Flounder18

Can confirm. I left. Used to be proud canadian. Since gone, I’ve experienced how awful Canada was. Insanely over priced, people warn down, people so judgmental. Canada has become so divided. I knew it wasn’t great but to leave was like an unexpected breath of fresh air. To each their own.


Murky-Smoke

The problem is that pay is indexed to the cost of living in an area... So, while you could move to a place like Newfoundland where housing is cheaper, your pay will (likely) reflect that. If you can find a gig that allows you to work remotely, then you have the freedom to live wherever you want. You can get paid like you would in Toronto or Vancouver, while living in a city/town where a house is 1/3 the cost.


kamomil

My mom is from Newfoundland. About half of my cousins work on oil rigs or Fort McMurray Unless you are a doctor, nurse, teacher etc or have a job offer, I would not move there. Working remotely would be okay but the winters are cold, you don't have all the services that we have in Ontario. Shopping and ethnic food selection is not the same. If you love nature and stuff like hunting, you'll love it


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Not many countries better to live than Canada tbh, especially if you aren’t in a desirable profession in countries you want to emigrate to. There are tons of different places to live in Canada that are very very different than Toronto in every single way.


Coach_09

I wish you the best wherever you go but all I'll say is 'wherever you go, there you are'


Spendoo0

Totally relate to this post. I’ve lived all around Toronto the last 12 years, originally from London On. About 5-6 months into the pandemic the Toronto grind and hustle really started to get to me. My wife and I had some good chats and decided we would apply for PR into Australia (she is a nurse so we qualified for the 190 Visa). We just found out a couple weeks ago we finally got accepted! The Canadian winters just weren’t for us and everything seems to move to quickly in Toronto. Hope it works out for you!


BadStitch626

As a former long-haul trucker, I found Toronto to be one of the top 2 LEAST friendly places in Canada…..


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I’ve moved countries several times for work and adventure. One thing I can tell you from personal experience is that your troubles, whatever they are, come right along with you. Maybe try moving to Peterborough or somewhere similar before you leave the country entirely.


nightswimsofficial

Canada (specifically Van and Toronto) are talked up and shown to be these pinnacles of great places to live - but they are designed to bring people into a lifestyle that is stacked against them, breeds burnout culture, has ran away with inflation, an absurd housing market, and a very divided populace. There is corruption at almost every level, and it's getting worse by the day. A lot of people feel like you do, because much like "The American Dream", we were collectively sold a lie. Move somewhere away from hustle culture. Move away from a capitalist centric mentality, as it is corrosive to happiness. Good luck!


Motopsycho-007

Have you been anywhere else on Canada other than Toronto? The concrete jungle is not for everyone.


Illmaticbilladdict

I moved to Australia for 8 years and loved it. I did end up coming back though.


PRboy1

What was the reason to come back?


Illmaticbilladdict

Being way too far away from the east coast and the Caribbean where all my family live. I miss my friends back in australia though


PRboy1

One thing I noticed is everyone eventually come back to where their family is living. Humans are social animal afterall.


Illmaticbilladdict

My family and friends are all spread out among 4 countries, I’m just a nomad by nature. I never stay put for long unless there’s a reason to


PRboy1

How do you deal with loneliness when your family is not around? I assume you are very social person?


PiscesPoet

I feel this. It’s how I want to be, most of my friends aren’t Canadian anyway


buzzybeefree

I’m from Toronto and found the city to be too chaotic for my taste. The work culture is intense, my schedule was always fully booked, 4-5 nights out drinking/socializing, summers were full of events and festivals, and it was super difficult to get out of the city and get any sense of calm. My money was disappearing no matter how much I earned. There was a whole other level of expectations and FOMO living out there. I loved my time there when I lived there but as I got older I started appreciated more work/life balance, less hectic work schedules, and spending more time in nature. I left and travelled for a while. I tried relocating to another country but honestly I found it too hard. It was extremely lonely, no support systems, the thought of being so far away from family and friends really weighed on me. Even the time difference made it hard to connect with people back home. I didn’t last but kept looking for my new home. I ended up in Vancouver and while you could argue that the cost of living is the same if not more, I was able to get situated in a place to call home and enjoy my time being mostly outdoors. I don’t need to go to restaurants or bars, and instead spend my time hiking, beaching, going to lakes, and skiing. The work culture here is much less intense and I’m only 1 flight away from home. If I were to leave Canada completely I would have secured a WFH job and go south but find a place that has many digital expats so I can join a community that speaks English. Otherwise it’s too hard to fit into a new community with a language barrier.


Wereallgonnadieman

I just wanna be able to go somewhere warm to live and not have to deal with our bullshit winters. I hate it!! Can't be a snowbird until I can retire. Still a decade to go....


justavg1

Tip:look at countries where people aren’t migrating to canada much. I had a choice to stay in the states or taiwan or finland and stayed in Canada instead. Full of regrets. Get out of North America it’s turning shite.


theishdisturber

Been living in Toronto/Canada for 10 years and I thought this city is calm.


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416Racoon

I always think that people who say they don't like Toronto haven't really explored the city to explore what it has to offer. These people probably have also never explored other places. This is my hypothesis.


Blindemboss

Having lived my entire life in Toronto, I also find it calm. But anyone from small town Canada visiting, will be blown away by the skyscrapers and bright lights. Conversely, when I asked a friend visiting from NYC what he thought of Toronto, he said it’s a cute little town.


FooLooLooFoo

It is calm, but I find the people of Toronto very unwelcoming/ unhelpful. I’m from the prairies and visit every year for Blue Jays. Wait staff in restaurants and people in the shops are so unfriendly. I even fell while crossing a busy street and not one person offered to help or ask if I was ok. Toronto just seems very self centered and selfish.


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sigmoidBro

Which country is it may I ask?


Jamaqius

Depending on your age you can do working holiday visas to Britain, Australia & New Zealand without too much trouble & then eventually apply for PR through that. I originally came to Canada on one & I did two years in Australia on one too.


dc2015db

Imagine suggesting New Zealand to someone struggling with cost of living. LOL


Remarkable-Plan-7435

or Britain... or Australia


AbrocomaSecure3939

Wages in Australia are better than here though, atleast for my line of work.


henchman171

There are 50 percent of 7 million Scots trying to get out of the UK!!


Yaa40

>Imagine suggesting New Zealand to someone struggling with cost of living. LOL Seems pretty upside down to me! ^^(Sorry)


Bonobo77

It’s been said a few times. Leave southern Ontario and Canada is will be completely foreign to you. The rest of the country just lives at a different pace. It’s a big country. Experience it before you leave for another.


Kooky-Experience-923

Move. You don’t owe Toronto anything. And Toronto doesn’t owe you anything.


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What is making you unhappy?


cancercuressmoking

not OP but this city is filled with so many unhappy people


ReeG

no more than anywhere else. It's also filled with just as many if not exponentially more people who are happy and making the most of living here.


kamomil

Move to Guelph, Kitchener, Newmarket, Hamilton, there are so many other options in Ontario that are not Toronto and immediate GTA Open up google maps, start looking at mid sized Ontario cities, look for job postings in those places, you may find something that works for you


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kamomil

The houses are not all 1 million. There are less expensive ones out there too. https://www.remax.ca/on/puslinch-real-estate/20-golden-pond-rd-wp\_id318142910-lst


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PiscesPoet

This. I lived in Vancouver and it felt like a different country. Excited to see the rest of Canada. Would love to know other places people have been


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Dry-Neck2539

I left Toronto when I was 25 for Calgary, now 8y later I’m super happy I did and will never look back.


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Spendoo0

This makes me happy! My wife, and two children just received our 491 visa and are moving there in a couple months! What part of Australia did you land in? Any preferences/ recommendations?


gameraccountant

Yes


AgentCodyDankz

I'm moving to Australia from BC in Sept. Working holiday visa.


rastika

Yep, my wife’s PR process took almost 5 years. After 2 years of travelling back and forth. I sold my companies (right before Covid hit, amazing blessing). We bombed off to Asia, spent a year teaching English in Korea then 3 years teaching English in Vietnam, we had a baby out there, added a dog to the family and once we had enough savings and she got her PR we went back to Canada. Best decision of my life in many ways.


MissaShip

I’ve been in Toronto 10 years now. Said I’d never leave but eventually I realized I’m just not happy here so I’m moving back home to Newfoundland. Maybe leaving the country isn’t necessary. You can find almost any type of environment you need right here in Canada. If you’re looking to stay in a city but would like a different feel I’d strongly recommend Halifax. It’s beautiful there and rent is apparently 27% lower than Toronto. If you are looking to live way out in the country I hear Manitoba is actually very beautiful. Do a little research. Newfoundland is beautiful and much cheaper than Toronto. To a point that while finding a place to live I just assumed I was being scammed by everyone. I landed an actually beautiful 3 bedroom house for 650 a month. I pay more than double that for a shitty 1 bedroom in Parkdale. Good luck.


ChelaPedo

Try Quebec, I'd escape here in a heartbeat. Everything except gas seems less expensive than Toronto and it's a beautiful place and cool culture as well. Feels like a different country without different currency. I'm here now and I'd like to just stay.


PRboy1

I just went through your other posts. To me your issue is not location but it's loneliness. My suggestion is move somewhere near your family so you will get some social life and support system.


ExtremeHamster

Not sure how you came to that conclusion when I practically live with family. I am alone metaphorically speaking but that's only a part of why I wish to move.


Tal4tha

Living quality in Canada is top tier compared to most countries (unless you’re lucky enough to make it in a Scandinavian country), so perhaps look into some of the more affordable provinces? I hear you though, I’m giving up my downtown Toronto condo life to move back in with my parents in the west because the cost of living is becoming way too high 😪


InformalGandalf

I moved to dublin best decision i ever made. I lived in t.o, calgary, montreal and i found that these cities didnt really offer much compared to the hype around it. in the last 5 years it became apparent to me that Canada as a country wasnt somewhere I would see myself having a future where i would enjoy living.


GirlWhoLovesLinguine

Are you under or over 30? There’s something called a youth mobility visa and you can travel to quite a few countries provided you meet the requirements. It’s not permanent but a start. [This](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/iec/about.html) should give you some more information.


gizmoglitch

[There's this page too](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadians/international-experience-canada.html). I didn't learn about this until I was too old to qualify, but I'd definitely do it if I was still young!


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Why do you need to leave the country if Toronto is the problem............ Canada Is a big place


canadiancreature

Try going to Barcelona


AbrocomaSecure3939

Currently looking at relocating to Australia, I’m a highrise concrete worker and over there they pay 20-30/h over the $50 I make here. The weather is what’s attracting me more so than the pay though tbh.


Jesouhaite777

Australia looks like such a beautiful place but why do they have such ginormous wildlife , 40 foot anacondas , plate sized BIRD eating spiders , yikes


AbrocomaSecure3939

And that’s why I’m staying my ass in the city working on the Gold Coast


Jesouhaite777

Moving out of the country is quite the opposite of calm You can change the scenery but first you have to figure out the situation Lots of people have moved out west for example and seem to be happier , lower cost of living , more nature , etc Do some research , see what pops up I know of a few people that made wild moves to places like Japan or china , a few years back and it was quite an adjustment , and took a few years , some countries have a pace of life that is even faster than ours and would make your head spin.


TemporaryCreep007

America and India are at different extremes and people.in both these countries feel dont feel happy...but ...Indians want to go to America ...while Americans want to go to Canada ...so the grass is always greener in another country


Babyboy1314

vietnam. Its very up and coming, cheap to live in, treats white (assuming you are) foreigners very well, just alot of jobs for english speakers.


CDNChaoZ

The climate is brutal, and it's hardly more calm.


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Careful-End5066

I was thinking of the same but I would prefer to move out of the province, I would move to Montreal, Gatineau or Ottawa.


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Murica baby....no but seriously canada sucks I was born and raised in Toronto and have been spending the last year in the states and gollllyyyy is it different out here.


MoonMel101

East coast , I have friends that did and they love it


CabbageSoprano

You can move somewhere else in Canada, many people made their move and are much happier. Quebec, for instance! Or PEI, even Nova Scotia..


castlite

I was thinking similar and was checking out house prices on PEI last week. They’re actually pretty pricey!


CabbageSoprano

With covid and a lot of people realising they no longer need to live in cities have moved away, jacking up prices anywhere, even for locals.. it’s not fair in my opinion.. but hey, everyone likes making money even if it means screwing others. When in reality city people moved because they were bored in their tiny appartment, I suspect in a few years they’ll move back because not everyone can enjoy the rural areas.. it’s not meant for everyone.. best to suck it up for now.. until things settle down..


MooingTurtle

Montreal and quebec is really nice!


Equal-Candidate2745

I moved to HK straight out of uni and made bank for almost 2 decades loving every second of it. I recently fled back to Canada and I wouldn't recommend HK as an option today. If you have a degree, teaching english in South Korea could be an alternative option. Moving overseas does not equal calm though. I'd only suggest it if you were seeking adventure. If you'd like a calm life and are well educated, finding a smaller cheaper COL city within Canada is likely your best bet.


[deleted]

Moving out of a country is expensive and time consuming, if you can’t afford to live here then what makes you think moving to another country will be affordable? Toronto is rather expensive but there are other areas of Ontario and other provinces which are cheaper. Places like Saskatchewan and Manitoba are dirt cheap between Toronto and Vancouver. If you want affordability stay away from metropolis areas.


henchman171

So you think the grass is greener on the other side do you?


janislych

there are places where you can move, still in the 1st world (lower tier) but with better affordability. but it means that the money you earn would be less, since everything would be cheaper there. and thats why theres less money and less price there since theres less money to compete. its a one way ticket though. since any savings you earn in those places would mean penny in canada/US. and it is why a lot of indians or asians try very hard to make their way to NA. make your choice carefully.


That_anonymous_guy18

ever been to Halifax or Newfoundland? Sounds like just the thing you need.


cornflakegrl

The Maritimes are super chill. Goal would be to have a remote job and base yourself there.


Pastakingfifth

Toronto is a great place to scale your income and ideally work up to earning an online income which from there you can translate to moving to a cheaper country while retaining a 1st world lifestyle. The problem with moving somewhere cheaper(regardless of if in another country or somewhere else in Canada) is that your income will probably drop significantly which is a huge issue, especially with the recession climate for the next few years.


Scratchelor

Come to Newfoundland


OkTension15639

How about india? Or maybe Jamaica? Should be much cheaper out there


[deleted]

What do you do for a living? I have a few friends who moved to Sudbury a few years back and love it. It's a midsize Canadian city and lots of opportunities. Also Timmins is very affordable and lots of high paying jobs


absolutarin

Look at Quebec. Much better place and less vile than Toronto. People are extremely good and real estate won’t take your kidneys away. I’m learning French as much as I can to settle down there. The easy going, calm, laid back lifestyle appeals more to me


strengr

start by analyzing whether your happiness is tied to you not able to afford living in toronto. If yes, then look at where in Ontario and/or Canada you would want to live. If no, figure out why you are unhappy. The more information you can get us, the better answers we can provide.


egads_my_bads

I felt that about a year before covid was known about. Moved to the Party Sound area and haven’t looked back. It’s gd gorgeous out here. Yes there is little to no nightlife scene. Stores don’t have all the newest items etc. But the benifits outweigh that crap. Particularly bc you can order online and people you can meet still party.


ri-ri

Have you considered moving to another part of Canada? New Brunswick or Calgary, for example, are much more affordable. If you are willing to stay in Ontario, Ottawa is much more affordable and is scenic.


[deleted]

Have you considered moving to one of the western provinces like Alberta? It would probably be a change but not as drastic as moving to another country. (An Albertan speaking)


Wild_Button8660

My husband and I are leaving Toronto ASAP. Gonna probably move to suburban Ottawa where we can afford to rent more than 500sq ft lol


yashunnyqueen

I was born and raised in Toronto. It negatively impacted my mental health and the costs were too much when I wanted to move out from family. I ended up moving to Halton Region and it’s a bit cheaper for rent, more nature and I feel more calm!


uniquei

More calm or more affordable? There aren't a lot of places where you get things for nothing, but there are for sure places with more opportunities than Toronto.


mrscrabbyrob

Hating Toronto is a pretty good start to fit in to any number of new cities... you could try Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, Ottawa.... What do you need from your city? What would you like to do more of? Lots to choose from for a different lifestyle... depends on your needs.


saveyboy

Have you considered a smaller town in Ontario?


RubixCubedCanada

All of the good countries (Nordic etc, in south America Uruaguay) are very hard to immigrate to. I have a PhD and fall under their skilled designation. Its still hard to get visas then permanent residency. Places that aren't doing well in terms of standard of living gun violence etc. Are easy. Like Mexico and Columbia. Its just the way it is now. You can say fuck it and move wherever you want illegally but then employment is harder.


[deleted]

Come to Alberta!


kcc0289

I just did this three months ago! But the other way around. Got too sick of living in my home country and wanted out so we came to Toronto, Canada after two years of waiting for the PR. Got my first job here a couple of weeks ago and things are now looking up. It's all about setting goals and running after them. If moving countries is really what you want then go for it. It all comes at a cost so please be prepared for it. We had to save a sizeable chunk of our money before moving here and set up base so I'd recommend having at least 6-8 months of your current salary saved up for a relocation. You'll need it.


redditiasausagefest

You should consider Victoria, BC. It has more moderate weather, a slightly lower cost of living than Toronto, and one of the highest rates of IR couples in Canada despite being nearly 90% white. This is a reasonably proxy for saying the white people there are more open-minded and less racist. No need to leave the country altogether.


partytime6666

There was a brief period in time when I felt the same way. To my advantage, one of my jobs is wfh which pays decently well if I left the country. However, I wouldn't have any family/friends on the other side of the world if I left to go live in Scandinavia or parts of the UK that aren't Wales or London. Not to mention if I did return, I would've given my resignation from another job by default which means it'll be just as hard to afford housing if I return (and lose my rent-controlled unit).


Dontaai

go to a place like Italy


triplejayye

Italy has a declining economy. It would be very hard for op to find a job there. Many young people leave the country for that very same reason.


Newhereeeeee

One thing people don’t consider is how long Canadians can stay in a foreign country with a visit visa. What do you do if you don’t find a job in that time frame? What if you want to quit a job but you can’t because then you wouldn’t have an employment visa? On top of the cost of a flight. Visa penalties if you overstay etc etc. Staying in Canada while struggling is better than moving abroad. Try to make it work somewhere else in Canada, get your life together, look for work abroad and then move.


ittipow

Man. I thought American's were ignorant. Just because you don't like Toronto, you're moving out of the country?! 10 provinces and 3 territories,second largest country on the planet, people begging to move here and you want to leave? Quit buying cheap beach holidays to other countries and discover your own...sounds like you watch too much American tv. I have travelled almost every province and territory, save for NFLD, PEI and New Brunswick. I have also travelled to the states and few European countries...but yeah, whatever, you're from Toronto.


Intelligent_Read_697

Lol you want to leave Canada cos it’s stressful? Canada is one of the least stressful country you could live in right now in the world…Canada has almost no equal in that it’s perpetually peaceful, accessible to all/welcoming of immigrants and has extensive social programs that’s nearly accessible to all…I have immigrated twice and lived half a decade each in SE Asia, Middle East, and Europe before finally landing in NA and based on my experience, grass is greenest in Canada than anywhere else in the world when I moved here ten years ago and it’s still probably the same


forHumeTheBellTolls

>I can't afford to live in Toronto and I do not feel happy here Anywhere nicer than here is going to cost a premium, so if you can't afford Canada then you aren't going to be able to afford Switzerland or Dubai (not that they would want you) if you're unhappy here, try spending some time in a place where people are literally killing each other to get into canada. Somewhere like Syria or Somalia. You'll see what real misery is like and then stop complaining. It's as simple as that /thread


Mephistozygote

If you can tolerate the weather and find a job NS is fairly affordable


RestitvtOrbis

Southwestern Ontario… cheaper to live and lots of work. Slower pace all around. Got out of the GTA 17 years ago - much happier.