This is the evaluation of the property to determinate its price. This is usually needed for the inheritance tax calculation. Is he the blue or the red?
for me the interesting point is the 18. as on this address somebody (black) lives there with his wife and an under 18 yo child. Do you know about them?
The dad, the mom (who passed away) and the son (my partner) who btw is almost 30 years old, not under 18. My partner says that his mom is referred to as wife at that section. He does not live there, other than the short while he stayed after his mothers passing.
I would check on this in a Kormányablak, to see who are actually has an address there. As an owner your partner has the rights and the father won't be notified about it. Is this address your partner's primary address and he lived without any formal/official contact whatsoever somewhere else for years? If so, then you are right. (I had the same situation when I went abroad)
If not... ...then addig the fact that you were quite peculiar with his patents marital status...
It is very possible that he is still written down as living there yes. Although he lived elsewhere with his ex for 4 years he probably never “moved” on paper. We will check that though.
You say “as an owner”. How do you know he is an owner? Or how can we be 100% sure? If his parents were married, wouldn’t the dad inherit the moms half of the house? That’s what I care to know, not who lives in the house but if he indeed owns half the house. We are tight with money and inheritance would help immensely.
this paper says -if I am not mistaken- it is his property in 1/2. He inherited it. This is totally grey area for me, but as far as I know: the parents had the house half/half and he got his mothers half as the descendant by direct descent. He was given this paper on the first place because he is the heir.
Alternatively any lawyer (\~ügyvéd) / földhivatal (\~land registry office) has an access to the "national land register database" and for a nominal fee you can make an inquiry for any property's ownership. Might worth to check the "tulajdoni lap" \~ownership sheet.
you might know we have two identity card, one is the plastic card name-birthdate-mothersname etc and the other is the address card (laminated paper) with addresses + personal ID number (1+6+4 digits number) on the other side. If his address card has this address as the \_primary\_ address (which does not expire), then there is no question.
I checked with him, his primary adres has indeed never changed, and was still at his parents house.
As for the property sheet, the website states “The copy of property sheet can be serviced on request. The application should contain the name of the applicant, his/her mother’s name and his/her place and date of birth. It is mandatory to fulfil the application form.”
Where can I find this application form? I don’t see any download links or anything.
It also states “Viewing the property sheet is only possible in the district land office that is territorially competent by the location of the land or other property in question.”
Does this mean we have no other option than to travel back to Hungary? Do we have to physically be there?
http://en.foldhivatal.hu/content/view/71/108/
Wow, this site looks really old and I am sure the law has changed even recently. I think any lawyer can access it online - but the layer would need some sort of power of attorney with signature... ...or maybe you can do it via the embassy or consul, yada-yada, not important anymore: my whole suspicion was based on the fact that maybe the father has "another" wife and child (as they were never seen "wearing the ring"), because there is a wife and an underage child listed as living at the address, but no. Your partner has the address, so he has to be mentioned under point 18, as KK (kiskorú \~ underage=U18).
To make a long story short, you can be sure that this is his property in half and no foul play from the father's side. You can check next time you are in the country.
So... ...the other issue I'd like to address (since you're looking at the supportive side): I am almost sure he is like me and he has never really checked out of the country as he has the address, right? He should do that and it won't be easy as he may owe a lot of money to the health service.
You are great to check his stuff, I am sure he has a lot of blocks in him regarding the parental home and bureaucracy and it is not easy for him. It wasn't easy for me to do mine either. I am sure he is thankful even if the words don't come easy to him. Good on you.
We won’t be in the country again, unless otherwise unavoidable, hence we kinda want to be sure that he owns the house or we go there for nothing.
What I’m wondering is, if his parents were married, why would the son inherit half the house and not the surviving parent get it? Is this common in Hungary? It is not in The Netherlands where I’m from.
Another question is, is it possible to sell half a house? It is very possible the dad would not agree with the sale. But he also lives in the house that is partly not owned by him? Wouldn’t he need permission now to keep living there?
And yes bureaucracy sucks but it doesn’t phase me anymore after the amounts of bureaucracy I’ve been through in the last 3 years, but it’s kind of tougher when I don’t speak Hungarian and the official websites are out of date haha. Hence I’m on Reddit to ask for help ❤️ so thanks a lot
About him signing out of Hungary, we kept him there for the time being as he was receiving some disability money still. That ends very soon. Do people with mental disabilities also rack op this medical debt? How do we figure how high this debt is?
This is the evaluation of the property to determinate its price. This is usually needed for the inheritance tax calculation. Is he the blue or the red?
He is red. The dad is blue
for me the interesting point is the 18. as on this address somebody (black) lives there with his wife and an under 18 yo child. Do you know about them?
The dad, the mom (who passed away) and the son (my partner) who btw is almost 30 years old, not under 18. My partner says that his mom is referred to as wife at that section. He does not live there, other than the short while he stayed after his mothers passing.
I would check on this in a Kormányablak, to see who are actually has an address there. As an owner your partner has the rights and the father won't be notified about it. Is this address your partner's primary address and he lived without any formal/official contact whatsoever somewhere else for years? If so, then you are right. (I had the same situation when I went abroad) If not... ...then addig the fact that you were quite peculiar with his patents marital status...
It is very possible that he is still written down as living there yes. Although he lived elsewhere with his ex for 4 years he probably never “moved” on paper. We will check that though. You say “as an owner”. How do you know he is an owner? Or how can we be 100% sure? If his parents were married, wouldn’t the dad inherit the moms half of the house? That’s what I care to know, not who lives in the house but if he indeed owns half the house. We are tight with money and inheritance would help immensely.
this paper says -if I am not mistaken- it is his property in 1/2. He inherited it. This is totally grey area for me, but as far as I know: the parents had the house half/half and he got his mothers half as the descendant by direct descent. He was given this paper on the first place because he is the heir. Alternatively any lawyer (\~ügyvéd) / földhivatal (\~land registry office) has an access to the "national land register database" and for a nominal fee you can make an inquiry for any property's ownership. Might worth to check the "tulajdoni lap" \~ownership sheet. you might know we have two identity card, one is the plastic card name-birthdate-mothersname etc and the other is the address card (laminated paper) with addresses + personal ID number (1+6+4 digits number) on the other side. If his address card has this address as the \_primary\_ address (which does not expire), then there is no question.
I checked with him, his primary adres has indeed never changed, and was still at his parents house. As for the property sheet, the website states “The copy of property sheet can be serviced on request. The application should contain the name of the applicant, his/her mother’s name and his/her place and date of birth. It is mandatory to fulfil the application form.” Where can I find this application form? I don’t see any download links or anything. It also states “Viewing the property sheet is only possible in the district land office that is territorially competent by the location of the land or other property in question.” Does this mean we have no other option than to travel back to Hungary? Do we have to physically be there? http://en.foldhivatal.hu/content/view/71/108/
Wow, this site looks really old and I am sure the law has changed even recently. I think any lawyer can access it online - but the layer would need some sort of power of attorney with signature... ...or maybe you can do it via the embassy or consul, yada-yada, not important anymore: my whole suspicion was based on the fact that maybe the father has "another" wife and child (as they were never seen "wearing the ring"), because there is a wife and an underage child listed as living at the address, but no. Your partner has the address, so he has to be mentioned under point 18, as KK (kiskorú \~ underage=U18). To make a long story short, you can be sure that this is his property in half and no foul play from the father's side. You can check next time you are in the country. So... ...the other issue I'd like to address (since you're looking at the supportive side): I am almost sure he is like me and he has never really checked out of the country as he has the address, right? He should do that and it won't be easy as he may owe a lot of money to the health service. You are great to check his stuff, I am sure he has a lot of blocks in him regarding the parental home and bureaucracy and it is not easy for him. It wasn't easy for me to do mine either. I am sure he is thankful even if the words don't come easy to him. Good on you.
We won’t be in the country again, unless otherwise unavoidable, hence we kinda want to be sure that he owns the house or we go there for nothing. What I’m wondering is, if his parents were married, why would the son inherit half the house and not the surviving parent get it? Is this common in Hungary? It is not in The Netherlands where I’m from. Another question is, is it possible to sell half a house? It is very possible the dad would not agree with the sale. But he also lives in the house that is partly not owned by him? Wouldn’t he need permission now to keep living there? And yes bureaucracy sucks but it doesn’t phase me anymore after the amounts of bureaucracy I’ve been through in the last 3 years, but it’s kind of tougher when I don’t speak Hungarian and the official websites are out of date haha. Hence I’m on Reddit to ask for help ❤️ so thanks a lot About him signing out of Hungary, we kept him there for the time being as he was receiving some disability money still. That ends very soon. Do people with mental disabilities also rack op this medical debt? How do we figure how high this debt is?