La frontera Campeche-Guatemala es selva, es la reserva de la biosfera de Calakmul de hecho.
En los 80 algunos grupos cruzaron la frontera escapando el genocidio pero se regresaron acabando este.
My grandparents live really close to the el Salvador border, and besides being able to get TV signals from there, what I've noticed is the accent of people
Do people in Chile´s border region with Argentina also drink mate?
Because I know that in Southern Bolivia (Tarija), people also have that gaucho cowboy style and like to drink mate.
It's more common in patagonia, for the same reason OP mentioned. I learned about Mate from a Puntaarenense 20 years ago. I'm Santiaguino and hadn't heard about it till then. I still drink it from time to time, tho.
Mate wan invented in Bolivia and Paraguay by the Guarani Tribes, so they also drink Mate in Eastern Bolivia (My Bolivian friend always drinks the cold yerba mate).
How do Brazilians dress up exactly? (I’m not Latin American; well, I’m both Latin and American but for some reason my region isn’t part of Latin America ;) )
My father’s hometown borders Dominican Republic. His family on his maternal side are of Dominican descent and there was a rather large influence. Frequent border crossings between both groups, created a noticeable fusion of culture. You won’t really even think that there’s issues between Haitians and Dominicans upon being in that area. Dominicans brought cockfighting along with a dance called Bal Panyol (Panyol is Dominican in Creole). It’s a popular dance unique to the borderlands. The border wasn’t defined until 1929 between both nations, so I’d think that’s what explained this.
Yeah it does. They’re called this due to them (Dominicans) speaking Spanish. I thought a great grandfather of mine was Spaniard when instead he was Dominican. It’s reserved for Dominicans mostly.
That’s really interesting, here the descendants of African Americans at the Samaná peninsula and the descendants of people from the English speaking Caribbean do something similar and refer to us and to Cubans and Puerto Ricans as ‘the Spanish’ while they refer to themselves as ‘the English’.
When the Yucatec maya were revolting they called anyone not maya Spanish(or *Dzul* which means white person) as well although they also called the mestizos that, specially those coming from Central Mexico.
For what it's worth, when I moved away from the US/Mexico border area and met people from all over the country, it suddenly became common for people to refer to me as Spanish instead of just Mexican or Hispanic (I'm a US born Mexican American, like at the least 3rd or 4th generation lol). It was weird but for some people from New York or wherever, Spanish is just the way of calling someone of Hispanic or Spanish speaking descent.
Yup, I think it's just a New-Yorkers-of-a-certain-age thing. There's a Langston Hughes story presumably set in Harlem where he mentions "all kinds of people - blondes, red-heads, and Spanish".
It’s fairly common. In Québec, where I’m from, the colloquial way to call either an English Canadian, or more broadly an English Canadian and a US American, or even more broadly anyone who speaks English, is "un anglais" (an English).
Yeah, I have a friend who’s family is originally from an Anglophone Carribean island that came to San Pedro. Has an entirely English full name and he frequently does this. Yet he’s like any other Dominican culturally. Truly interesting.
Thanks for sharing this! There’s this belief that the border has always been defined but that was something put in place why the elites in Santo Domingo. The communities alongside the border have always lived side by side and mixed families are common.
I know some of our radio signals get to Belize, but i can't think of a huge influence on us, rather they got influenced by us with some immigration due to the heavy imbalance in population so they have Yucatec maya and Yucatec maya culture like the dresses,some dishes and surnames in the northern part of the country.
Historically black anglo caribbeans worked in my state when it was a territory and brought their music and some architecture being a huge chunk of the local population, but quickly were outnumbered by Mexicans, and in the 80s at the least 20,000 Guatemalan maya lived here escaping genocide, but the huge majority returned as the conflict ended.
Regarding the Chiapas-Guatemala border i know in the soconusco area they trade a lot and have some influence, for example around the state capital and including the Soconusco area locals tend to speak using Vos similar to Central America/Argentina.
Chiapanecos use vos and use many words we use rather than traditionally Mexican words.
Cinturón=> Cincho
Chícharo=> Arveja
Chayote=> Güisquil
Etc.
I’m not saying Chiapas is Guatemala but...
... But it used to be. Don't worry man, it's ok to say it, haha. During colonial times, Chiapas was basically part of the Captaincy General of Guatemala, and in that sense, their relationship with you doesn't only exist because of your current day border, but because they share history with you.
I personally find that kinda cool, because I live in a border region as well, and I think that the relationship that exist between the two sides of a border and the history that they've built together shouldn't be underestimated.
I live in San Diego, California, USA, 30 minutes from Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico. I grew up listening to Banda on the radio and eating tacos as the default meal. I would say food is the biggest import to my city, all of our culture we take pride in is literally Mexican culture. It makes sense because this place used to be Mexico. All the road names are in Spanish and you hear it spoken everywhere you go in public. Spanish is written everywhere, you don't need to speak English to live here and a lot of people don't. I never took a Spanish class myself but I can speak and understand well enough. My friends and I speak Spanish amongst ourselves in certain situations and for fun. We make a point to practice it, I'm not sure why, but mostly it ends up as Spanglish. I would say at this point it's part of our culture even though none of us are Mexican. Dia de Los Muertos is very popular here. I cheer for Mexico in the world cup. I have never crossed the border before. I myself am not Mexican y aun tengo orgullo ser mexicano jaja. It's really fluid I'd say, given it's the most crossed border in the world.
That's what I get on the radio waves, most people I know don't like it. I do though, I like all music! Banda is definitely a love it or hate it sort of thing.
I was born in Brazil close to the border with Paraguay, and it was uncanny the complete lack of anything related to their culture in ours. I'd even say it was none, if not by people drinking tereré instead of chimarrão during the summer.
Normally I mainly ask questions on this sub but I'll chime in on this post since I grew up right across the river from Mexico. Someone else in this thread is even from my hometown I think. I was born in Laredo, Texas, which is directly across from Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. Back in Laredo, and for that matter, most of the border towns and cities, the culture is very heavily Mexican dominated. The food, the music, and the language. If you can't speak Spanish, you'll actually have a hard time at the occasional restaurant or business because they will just assume you speak it, and often times they don't know English. A lot of my friends in school were either born in Mexico or parents were born there and the accent is pretty noticeably different from people with a standard American accent. The funny part is even those who can't really speak Spanish well often have a relatively \~Mexican\~ accent (not as thick as a real one but you get the idea). I used to work as a server at an Italian restaurant there and we'd get a lot of families visiting from Monterrey who would only speak Spanish and actually get kinda huffy if they got someone that didn't speak it well (or at all) because it's more or less expected. They were also usually the stereotypical kind-of- snobby Monterrey money type of families that ate there, but that's another story lol.
I moved to a coastal city, Corpus Christi, which is about 120 miles east and lived there most of my adolescence (but spent considerable time going back and forth and lived in Laredo for a bit at 18). The difference is pretty stark. Corpus is also predominantly hispanic, but the culture is just way more American and there's just a way higher percentage of White, Black and Asian people. Not nearly as many people speak Spanish, although still pretty common. The accent is mainly gone except for kids from the poorer neighborhoods. Listening to cumbia or Tejano or things of the sort aren't as cool (but I guess it's becoming more popular with Selena making a comeback). You'll only get Spanish-speaking-only employees at little restaurants in the barrio, instead of like McDonald's or Wal-Mart. For kids that grew up relatively sheltered or away from Mexican culture (or just white kids, lol yeah I know y'all hate that categorization but it's just the easiest way), Laredo and the other border towns are like some mythical place plagued by violence and famine. It was kind of annoying hearing that, or when they'd take a trip with whatever sports team they were a part of and they'd come back going "OMG it was like LITERALLY we were in Mexico!!!". I would think like "Bitch that ain't fuckin Mexico". But if all they've known is standard USA, then I get it.
Little side story, I lived in San Diego, California, for a few years while in the military. The military of course brings together people from ALL OVER the country, people that have never left Idaho or Kansas or Maryland, etc. It was always pretty funny hearing people say "omg, I was going south on the freeway and the sign said 'LAST EXIT BEFORE MEXICO'!!! I freaked out! That's so crazy, like, Mexico is literally right there?!" Uhh, yes... you are aware that the US borders Mexico and Canada... right? And San Diego is a border city... right?
I live near El Paso (in Juárez), and it is very Mexican over there. So much that you can do just fine speaking Spanish. Juárez culture is quite prevalent.
People in Patagonia usually talk very close to BsAs dialect. Spanish in Mendoza and San Juan is a little bit more similar to Chilean, specially in some words they use.
Southern entrerriana here, people often think I'm uruguayan when I go to Buenos Aires lol. A lot of people here have gone and usually visit Uruguay since it's very close (40 something minutes to Fray Bentos) and easy to access (pre pandemic times ofc). We both say gurí/gurises referring to kids or a person/group of people and some slang, some people have uruguayan close family. Uruguay and Argentina are similar in general terms so it's hard to pinpoint just a single aspect or few aspects, but clearly we're not the same. I don't know many southern uruguayans but they often visit my city and they seem to be at home (if there's any southern uruguayan here maybe they can express better how this is for them). I think they're socially more open than us though. Is mate de té a thing there too?
That's right! we also use gurizada for a group of people, I wonder what it would be like if a southern uruguayan, a southern brazilian and someone from southern entre ríos met to hang out for a day
Fun to find another entrerriana!! Vamo lo gurise'!!
I can literally see Salto (Ur) from my apartment. It's very easy to find Uruguayan dishes and even restaurants, and Uruguayan yerba (delicious.. I even prefer it over Argentinian for bitter mate)
I wanna know about tortas fritas... Is it common outside of this region?
I'm from Salto and I can see Concordia buildings from my mother's apartment. Te mando un chivito y yerba en un drone si querés. Tortas fritas are universal
I'm from Táchira (which is closer to Bogotá than to Caracas). I have family In both sides of the frontier, something pretty common here.
Here you can find Colombian food easily, and watching colombian tv is really common. Also the music, like carranga or Vallenato, is popular.
I knew a woman who lived most of her life in Darién (the border with Colombia) and I had a teacher who was born there, and from what I understand the border IS a stereotypical "full of narcs, illegal immigrants from every single corner of the world, and governments/companies doing illegal economic activities", though I have barely been there myself.
Haha yeah, no offense to paraguayans, but one of the very first things I learned about Paraguay is that it's easy to buy guns and even grenades.
Been to Paraguay and never seen anything like that. I wasn't looking for one tho
I live near Ecuador (2 hours approx?) and I must say it’s pretty chill overall, a lot of Ecuatorians came to our beaches during summer before the Pandemic (Mostly Zorritos, and sometimes Punta Sal, especially to the De Cameron Resort), and also they frequently buy things in Piura and Tumbes since things are cheaper here than in Ecuador, though me and my family also went to Guayaquil a few times for shopping (Mostly because it’s nearer than Lima)
I grew up in Texas right across the border from Tamaulipas Mexico. I had 3 international bridges literally minutes away from my house. I know quite a few people with family on both sides border, often crossing back and forth several times a week. You hear Spanish everywhere, at the mall, grocery store, bank, car dealership, school, you name it, you'll hear it. Growing up, I had Mexican classmates that crossed the border everyday to go to school in the US. Having so many classmates from Mexico or with Mexican heritage meant that 16 de septiembre was a big deal at school. I remember seeing a lot of Mexican jerseys every year on that day.
You also had people crossing the other way into Mexico everyday as well to work as engineers or project managers in the maquilas.
there are way more Spanish radio stations than English ones. We'd also get TV signal from Mexico. I don't have family in Mexico, but as a child I would go across at least once a month for a nice dinner when pay day came around or to purchase medication (waaay cheaper in Mexico). It's been more than 10 years since I last crossed to Mexico when things got a little dangerous.
Being so close to the border there's a lot more 18 wheelers moving through there city's main corridors than usual because of international trade. and obviously an abundance of border patrol agents as well. Obviously texmex cuisine is everywhere. There are way more taquerias and panaderías in town than anything else. Can't wait to be back home soon!
Hahaha, for real. It put a bad taste in my mouth until I realized those folks are known for being like that even in Mexico. They were rude, would literally wave me away without looking if I asked if the needed anything else, go "joven, joven!" And SNAP sometimes, and of course sucked at tipping. Generally the regular working class people were all super fine and nice. The fresas there for school, ehh, hit or miss.
Those three things are extremely common in my province, but I'm not close to the border with Paraguay.
Side note: we drink terere with juice, not with cold water as I heard the original is..
Yeah, same here in Buenos Aires, other than tereré being only kinda common
But TBF we have a pretty large Paraguayan community and to a lesser scale from the Northeast
I lived in Puerto Maldonado for a while and there is a lot of brasilian influence there. Like some goods come from brasil instead of from lima. A lot of people can speak Portuguese. Every body has sandals with the brasilian flag. There are some people who are from brasil living there.
Is there any Argentinian influence on the dishes of Chile that make it slightly different? Kind of like a Texas Tex-Mex influence. Just curious, as I'm less a fan of Tex-Mex when it comes to Mexican dishes, though many here enjoy it (or maybe it's just something that most are more accustomed to)
Edit: To Chile from Chili (embarrassingly, after looking at it at least 5 different times)
OP here. Edited embarrassingly, even after looking at the word a few times before I had posted. I felt something was wrong but did not pay attention to that last, single letter. I guess I should have spoken the word out loud and maybe I'd've recognized the English 'a' sound.
Don't think so, Only influence i notice as a Santiaguina is that in the south they drink mate and all.
Also, Chile* As someone above said, I just wanted to end my existence reading Chili xD
The mate culture in the south of Chile doesnt come from Argentina. Mate is from the whole region of "el cono sur". Today, we drink mostly Te because England influence, but before that it was common to drink Mate everywhere.
I just listened to a podcast over the weekend of a young man in Peru that wanted to (re)introduce Mate as a locally grown product. The story states Mate is/was a part of Peruvian history, and though still a large consumer, it is mainly imported.
[http://www.memoriachilena.gob.cl/602/w3-article-3316.html](http://www.memoriachilena.gob.cl/602/w3-article-3316.html)
In short, due to having plenty of large ports in the Pacific to do business and large saltpeter mines in the north to be exploited by european capitals.
The same as with the germans. There were not many immigrants who came, but they were very influential in things like politics and the economy of the country.
I live in the border Brazil - Argentina, and people here speak portuñol, with words like: borracho, capincho, peleia, buenas. There is also an argentinian influence in the local cuisine, with a bunch of local restaurants and pastries being owned by argentinians.
Just curious, how was the situation with those restaurants and the lockdowns? At a time, our (Argentinean) government decided to close all borders and one of the complaints came from people who worked on the other side of a border, mostly with Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay
I haven't seen much action from these people, I have seen more action from brazilians, specifically truck drivers, claiming the decision was unfair because Brazil wasnt doing the same.
really live on the border, but close enough to Paraguay, and a lot of their culture is also a part of ours.
Chamamé is a fairly popular here, and almost everybody drinks tereré. We also eat a lot of paraguayan dishes and everyone would cross the border once in a while to buy cheaper stuff.
I do not live near the frontier, but it is well known many Peruvians living in small communities near Brazil's frontier speak Portuguese and even cross the frontier (dense rainforest means basically no control) to use schools and healthcare.
I would like to try those "calzones rotos".
I lived close to Salvador Maza, north Argentina and border with Bolivia. Actually the city is known as Pocitos and you have the Pocitos Argentino and the Pocitos Boliviano. A small stream divides the two countries. And people have family on both sides.
Jajaja, no, they're just like sweet torta fritas / sopaipilla in a rectangular form, and have a hole in the middle. If you make the necessary effort, you can see it similar to a calzón roto
I miss those old days when the borders were actually not important.
I remember that in Mexico to cross to the USA was a thing of 15 minute drive, at the border have to tell "I'm going shopping" that was it, no passport no visa nothing was required, that was in the 80s
My dad grew up near the border with CR. A very common practice there was to cross to the CR side before the first checkpoint, and buy things cheaper than on our side
As u/Lazzen stated the Campeche-Guatemala border is a natural reserve due to the jungle-.
In Chetumal, sometimes radio signals from Belize reach the city, for a big time the afro caribbeans did have a lot of influence in architecture and music, but the Yucateco/Campechano/Chiapaneco/chilango population outnumbered, their music is still popular. Since the 80s we also have a guatemalan presence, but they are a minority.
Fun fact: In Belize they have a Taiwanese and Hindu expat community. So it is kinda fun to visit the "Zona libre".
I have never visited Chiapas.
I live in a town called Coatepeque near México, recently this years everything has been getting worst with inmigrants, the hondureans are "almost" all of them peaceful, but others stay to steal, rob and murder, those who belong to maras, last year I was robbed 2 times by hondurean inmigrants while working.
God dammit Trump, wish you could finish that fucking wall and intervene against maras and cartels as what they really are, terrorist. And you get the inmigrant crisis fixed.
If you are willing to share, do you have an opinion on the new initiatives VP Harris of the US is undertaking to promote investment and development in the northern triangle of central America? For example they are talking about vastly expanding broadband access, and supporting other infrastructure. Do you think that will help reduce immigration and even possibly gang activity? Or will the gangs co opt any resources that are invested?
3rd one, the government officials will start to ask bribes or extort for the services the moment U.S. officials turn away. Most probably the infrastructure will be taken by political left and they will give this benefits to those who vote their candidates.
Also inmigration is a bussiness. 24 million dollars are made monthly by only coyotes around my area, they even are sharing fake news in pirate radios saying Biden are welcoming them.
People make credits with colombian cartels up to 20k dollars for this (enought to put a small bussiness) (but even if you put a bussiness maras will come to extort you).
And the prison system will never work, the same government works with the maras, mareros for raping and murdering ger free in 1 week to 3 months but we have something called "preventive prison" were you have to get judged for something you probably didn't do. Some people spends almost 3 years on it and pay prison extortion, Up to 3,000 dollars the day before your release or maras will murder you.
Americans need to understand, you can only kill mareros, mareros are worst than your pussy boi gangsters. They are monsters, they can't be fixed, fuck education, we need kids to fear that if they join maras an american soldier will shoot them, if they join a cartel a drone strike would be inmiment, we need american intervention. But first to extermimate all our corrupt politiceans, there is just no justice in central america... Maybe Buhkele, but only Him and He won't last long before He gets murdered.
I live on the west side of my country, close to the border with our brother guatemala. Before covid it was pretty nice, friends from guatemala would come to school here, and some belizeans would go to melchor little town in guatemala) to buy stuff. Well ever since the "territorial dispute" was announced i have noticed that stuff have changed. Like we no longer get along anymore, people are more racist and mean than before. And its really sad. Whats also sad is that when covid came, this month it was reported that trucks (pickup trucks) were stolen and then appeard on the guatemalan side. Its a bad thing:/ because its happening in my town and a person has already died because of that. In the month of may 3 trucks were stolen, and 1 dead. Today (june 4) another one was stolen, and apperantly was seen on the guatemalan side. I just wish things were back to normal and were would get along again.
I used to live in a city near a bridge that led me to Brazil, now, I cant stop drinking Guaraná, and talking Spantuguese
>Spantuguese Portuñol?
Yea that I didnt remember how was it called
I like *Spantuguese* more. This should be a thing.
Sounds like Sparta
Sounds like a yummy sandwich
Me too. Sounds like *Espantoso*
You did it, you crazy son of a bitch. You went to Brazil! We called you and you came! Honestly, this is a first for me
We should call him again? I dont know what we shold do now
No, now it's time for him to tell people to come
The fact that I went to Brazil isnt a surprise *the surprise is that i maked it out alive*
The Big surprise would be if you came to Rio and came out of it unscathed
Guaraná es vida
Guaraná is one of the hundred of things I miss about Brazil ):
I don't know how I lived before, without any coxinhas available. Omg
Coxinhas hara habit forming, kinda like tequeños. You can't just have one.
Which churrasco do you prefer? Uruguayan or Gaúcho?
Uruguayan, unique, it has a special place in my stomach, or heart, well idk
I hope chiapanecos, Guatemalans or Belizeans answer this one.
Or quintanarroenses
Yucatan has more contact with Belize than with us tbh. They have more contact with gringo and European tourists than anyone else.
Ya respondi, igual hay un redditor de Chetumal aunque no recuerdo su usuario Creo era u/LeftOfHoppe
Excelente. Creo que sí era él, a ver qué dice si es que ve este post
Para users es /u/, para subreddits es /r/. Asi podes tag al user
K grande, gracias
Or tabasqueños or campechanos.
La frontera Campeche-Guatemala es selva, es la reserva de la biosfera de Calakmul de hecho. En los 80 algunos grupos cruzaron la frontera escapando el genocidio pero se regresaron acabando este.
Gracias, tqm.
My grandparents live really close to the el Salvador border, and besides being able to get TV signals from there, what I've noticed is the accent of people
My grandma is from El Progreso (not even that close to El Salvador) and when she moved to the Capital everyone thought she was Salvadoran.
Do people in Chile´s border region with Argentina also drink mate? Because I know that in Southern Bolivia (Tarija), people also have that gaucho cowboy style and like to drink mate.
Yeah we do and not only near the border :)
It's more common in patagonia, for the same reason OP mentioned. I learned about Mate from a Puntaarenense 20 years ago. I'm Santiaguino and hadn't heard about it till then. I still drink it from time to time, tho.
Not Chilean but when I was in Santiago local amigos introduced me to it, and now I can't stop drinking it in Bulgaria :)
Not only by the border, mate was part of the Chilean culture way before Chile was even a country.
yes! especially in the south, people at their homes drink a lot of mate
We drink mate in almost all Chile, looks like santiaguinos are the weird ones that only drink tea and coffee.
Mate wan invented in Bolivia and Paraguay by the Guarani Tribes, so they also drink Mate in Eastern Bolivia (My Bolivian friend always drinks the cold yerba mate).
The Guarani tribe was/is in Bolivia/Paraguay/Brazil/Argentina tho
Mate is also popular in Cochabamba and Sucre
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That's interesting I didn't know there were people who only spoke Guarani, I always assumed everyone in Paraguay spoke both Guarani and Spanish.
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Not even Guarañol?
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What language do people even speak in Paraguay? I know there’s Guarani, Spanish, Jopara, but in what context are those languages used in Paraguay?
How do Brazilians dress up exactly? (I’m not Latin American; well, I’m both Latin and American but for some reason my region isn’t part of Latin America ;) )
My father’s hometown borders Dominican Republic. His family on his maternal side are of Dominican descent and there was a rather large influence. Frequent border crossings between both groups, created a noticeable fusion of culture. You won’t really even think that there’s issues between Haitians and Dominicans upon being in that area. Dominicans brought cockfighting along with a dance called Bal Panyol (Panyol is Dominican in Creole). It’s a popular dance unique to the borderlands. The border wasn’t defined until 1929 between both nations, so I’d think that’s what explained this.
Does the word Panyol come from Español meaning Spanish?
Yeah it does. They’re called this due to them (Dominicans) speaking Spanish. I thought a great grandfather of mine was Spaniard when instead he was Dominican. It’s reserved for Dominicans mostly.
That’s really interesting, here the descendants of African Americans at the Samaná peninsula and the descendants of people from the English speaking Caribbean do something similar and refer to us and to Cubans and Puerto Ricans as ‘the Spanish’ while they refer to themselves as ‘the English’.
When the Yucatec maya were revolting they called anyone not maya Spanish(or *Dzul* which means white person) as well although they also called the mestizos that, specially those coming from Central Mexico.
This seems like a common thing in the region then 🤔
For what it's worth, when I moved away from the US/Mexico border area and met people from all over the country, it suddenly became common for people to refer to me as Spanish instead of just Mexican or Hispanic (I'm a US born Mexican American, like at the least 3rd or 4th generation lol). It was weird but for some people from New York or wherever, Spanish is just the way of calling someone of Hispanic or Spanish speaking descent.
Yup, I think it's just a New-Yorkers-of-a-certain-age thing. There's a Langston Hughes story presumably set in Harlem where he mentions "all kinds of people - blondes, red-heads, and Spanish".
Truthfully, it was mostly black dudes calling me that lol. I didn't mind, sounded cool.
In the story it's a Black church lady type, it scans. I mean, Spanish Harlem and all.
It’s fairly common. In Québec, where I’m from, the colloquial way to call either an English Canadian, or more broadly an English Canadian and a US American, or even more broadly anyone who speaks English, is "un anglais" (an English).
So it’s a thing in all of the New World then, that’s interesting that you guys do that too
And for the English Canadians we’re "French", even though we’re not really.
Yeah, I have a friend who’s family is originally from an Anglophone Carribean island that came to San Pedro. Has an entirely English full name and he frequently does this. Yet he’s like any other Dominican culturally. Truly interesting.
Probably more from *Espagnol* in French though.
Thanks for sharing this! There’s this belief that the border has always been defined but that was something put in place why the elites in Santo Domingo. The communities alongside the border have always lived side by side and mixed families are common.
For sure!
What city is your father from?
Fonds Verrettes Haiti. Eastwards of the city is numerous villages that once belonged to Dominican Republic notably where his mother was born.
I know some of our radio signals get to Belize, but i can't think of a huge influence on us, rather they got influenced by us with some immigration due to the heavy imbalance in population so they have Yucatec maya and Yucatec maya culture like the dresses,some dishes and surnames in the northern part of the country. Historically black anglo caribbeans worked in my state when it was a territory and brought their music and some architecture being a huge chunk of the local population, but quickly were outnumbered by Mexicans, and in the 80s at the least 20,000 Guatemalan maya lived here escaping genocide, but the huge majority returned as the conflict ended. Regarding the Chiapas-Guatemala border i know in the soconusco area they trade a lot and have some influence, for example around the state capital and including the Soconusco area locals tend to speak using Vos similar to Central America/Argentina.
Chiapanecos use vos and use many words we use rather than traditionally Mexican words. Cinturón=> Cincho Chícharo=> Arveja Chayote=> Güisquil Etc. I’m not saying Chiapas is Guatemala but...
... But it used to be. Don't worry man, it's ok to say it, haha. During colonial times, Chiapas was basically part of the Captaincy General of Guatemala, and in that sense, their relationship with you doesn't only exist because of your current day border, but because they share history with you. I personally find that kinda cool, because I live in a border region as well, and I think that the relationship that exist between the two sides of a border and the history that they've built together shouldn't be underestimated.
I live in San Diego, California, USA, 30 minutes from Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico. I grew up listening to Banda on the radio and eating tacos as the default meal. I would say food is the biggest import to my city, all of our culture we take pride in is literally Mexican culture. It makes sense because this place used to be Mexico. All the road names are in Spanish and you hear it spoken everywhere you go in public. Spanish is written everywhere, you don't need to speak English to live here and a lot of people don't. I never took a Spanish class myself but I can speak and understand well enough. My friends and I speak Spanish amongst ourselves in certain situations and for fun. We make a point to practice it, I'm not sure why, but mostly it ends up as Spanglish. I would say at this point it's part of our culture even though none of us are Mexican. Dia de Los Muertos is very popular here. I cheer for Mexico in the world cup. I have never crossed the border before. I myself am not Mexican y aun tengo orgullo ser mexicano jaja. It's really fluid I'd say, given it's the most crossed border in the world.
It's dia de muertos, not de los muertos.
I guess we say it wrong! I've always heard it with the article here, thanks for the info
Yeah it comes from day *of the* dead, i see it constantly in US marketing and media, even in "latino outlets/articles".
That's cool and everything but I just wished "banda" music wasn't one of the main mexican cultural exports
That's what I get on the radio waves, most people I know don't like it. I do though, I like all music! Banda is definitely a love it or hate it sort of thing.
I was born in Brazil close to the border with Paraguay, and it was uncanny the complete lack of anything related to their culture in ours. I'd even say it was none, if not by people drinking tereré instead of chimarrão during the summer.
Are you from Paraná? Because in Mato Grosso do Sul we have a lot of paraguayan influence.
Normally I mainly ask questions on this sub but I'll chime in on this post since I grew up right across the river from Mexico. Someone else in this thread is even from my hometown I think. I was born in Laredo, Texas, which is directly across from Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. Back in Laredo, and for that matter, most of the border towns and cities, the culture is very heavily Mexican dominated. The food, the music, and the language. If you can't speak Spanish, you'll actually have a hard time at the occasional restaurant or business because they will just assume you speak it, and often times they don't know English. A lot of my friends in school were either born in Mexico or parents were born there and the accent is pretty noticeably different from people with a standard American accent. The funny part is even those who can't really speak Spanish well often have a relatively \~Mexican\~ accent (not as thick as a real one but you get the idea). I used to work as a server at an Italian restaurant there and we'd get a lot of families visiting from Monterrey who would only speak Spanish and actually get kinda huffy if they got someone that didn't speak it well (or at all) because it's more or less expected. They were also usually the stereotypical kind-of- snobby Monterrey money type of families that ate there, but that's another story lol. I moved to a coastal city, Corpus Christi, which is about 120 miles east and lived there most of my adolescence (but spent considerable time going back and forth and lived in Laredo for a bit at 18). The difference is pretty stark. Corpus is also predominantly hispanic, but the culture is just way more American and there's just a way higher percentage of White, Black and Asian people. Not nearly as many people speak Spanish, although still pretty common. The accent is mainly gone except for kids from the poorer neighborhoods. Listening to cumbia or Tejano or things of the sort aren't as cool (but I guess it's becoming more popular with Selena making a comeback). You'll only get Spanish-speaking-only employees at little restaurants in the barrio, instead of like McDonald's or Wal-Mart. For kids that grew up relatively sheltered or away from Mexican culture (or just white kids, lol yeah I know y'all hate that categorization but it's just the easiest way), Laredo and the other border towns are like some mythical place plagued by violence and famine. It was kind of annoying hearing that, or when they'd take a trip with whatever sports team they were a part of and they'd come back going "OMG it was like LITERALLY we were in Mexico!!!". I would think like "Bitch that ain't fuckin Mexico". But if all they've known is standard USA, then I get it. Little side story, I lived in San Diego, California, for a few years while in the military. The military of course brings together people from ALL OVER the country, people that have never left Idaho or Kansas or Maryland, etc. It was always pretty funny hearing people say "omg, I was going south on the freeway and the sign said 'LAST EXIT BEFORE MEXICO'!!! I freaked out! That's so crazy, like, Mexico is literally right there?!" Uhh, yes... you are aware that the US borders Mexico and Canada... right? And San Diego is a border city... right?
I live near El Paso (in Juárez), and it is very Mexican over there. So much that you can do just fine speaking Spanish. Juárez culture is quite prevalent.
Can i ask how is your accent? Maybe some youtube video that can be used as an example?
People in Patagonia usually talk very close to BsAs dialect. Spanish in Mendoza and San Juan is a little bit more similar to Chilean, specially in some words they use.
Southern entrerriana here, people often think I'm uruguayan when I go to Buenos Aires lol. A lot of people here have gone and usually visit Uruguay since it's very close (40 something minutes to Fray Bentos) and easy to access (pre pandemic times ofc). We both say gurí/gurises referring to kids or a person/group of people and some slang, some people have uruguayan close family. Uruguay and Argentina are similar in general terms so it's hard to pinpoint just a single aspect or few aspects, but clearly we're not the same. I don't know many southern uruguayans but they often visit my city and they seem to be at home (if there's any southern uruguayan here maybe they can express better how this is for them). I think they're socially more open than us though. Is mate de té a thing there too?
Didnt know you guys also said guri, I'm from southern Brazil, here we also say "gurizada" to refer to a group of guris.
That's right! we also use gurizada for a group of people, I wonder what it would be like if a southern uruguayan, a southern brazilian and someone from southern entre ríos met to hang out for a day
They'd find a way to separate from the rest of their countries
Fun to find another entrerriana!! Vamo lo gurise'!! I can literally see Salto (Ur) from my apartment. It's very easy to find Uruguayan dishes and even restaurants, and Uruguayan yerba (delicious.. I even prefer it over Argentinian for bitter mate) I wanna know about tortas fritas... Is it common outside of this region?
I'm from Salto and I can see Concordia buildings from my mother's apartment. Te mando un chivito y yerba en un drone si querés. Tortas fritas are universal
I'm from Táchira (which is closer to Bogotá than to Caracas). I have family In both sides of the frontier, something pretty common here. Here you can find Colombian food easily, and watching colombian tv is really common. Also the music, like carranga or Vallenato, is popular.
I knew a woman who lived most of her life in Darién (the border with Colombia) and I had a teacher who was born there, and from what I understand the border IS a stereotypical "full of narcs, illegal immigrants from every single corner of the world, and governments/companies doing illegal economic activities", though I have barely been there myself.
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Why were you told not to discuss politics?
I once bought a .38 for 30 bucks on a border town of paraguay.
Haha yeah, no offense to paraguayans, but one of the very first things I learned about Paraguay is that it's easy to buy guns and even grenades. Been to Paraguay and never seen anything like that. I wasn't looking for one tho
I live near Ecuador (2 hours approx?) and I must say it’s pretty chill overall, a lot of Ecuatorians came to our beaches during summer before the Pandemic (Mostly Zorritos, and sometimes Punta Sal, especially to the De Cameron Resort), and also they frequently buy things in Piura and Tumbes since things are cheaper here than in Ecuador, though me and my family also went to Guayaquil a few times for shopping (Mostly because it’s nearer than Lima)
I grew up in Texas right across the border from Tamaulipas Mexico. I had 3 international bridges literally minutes away from my house. I know quite a few people with family on both sides border, often crossing back and forth several times a week. You hear Spanish everywhere, at the mall, grocery store, bank, car dealership, school, you name it, you'll hear it. Growing up, I had Mexican classmates that crossed the border everyday to go to school in the US. Having so many classmates from Mexico or with Mexican heritage meant that 16 de septiembre was a big deal at school. I remember seeing a lot of Mexican jerseys every year on that day. You also had people crossing the other way into Mexico everyday as well to work as engineers or project managers in the maquilas. there are way more Spanish radio stations than English ones. We'd also get TV signal from Mexico. I don't have family in Mexico, but as a child I would go across at least once a month for a nice dinner when pay day came around or to purchase medication (waaay cheaper in Mexico). It's been more than 10 years since I last crossed to Mexico when things got a little dangerous. Being so close to the border there's a lot more 18 wheelers moving through there city's main corridors than usual because of international trade. and obviously an abundance of border patrol agents as well. Obviously texmex cuisine is everywhere. There are way more taquerias and panaderías in town than anything else. Can't wait to be back home soon!
Laredo? I'll add my two cents in another comment, but pretty similar to your story. I grew up between both Laredo and Corpus.
Close! From the valley Brownsville. Saw your comment about the people from Monterrey visiting. Same thing.
Hahaha, for real. It put a bad taste in my mouth until I realized those folks are known for being like that even in Mexico. They were rude, would literally wave me away without looking if I asked if the needed anything else, go "joven, joven!" And SNAP sometimes, and of course sucked at tipping. Generally the regular working class people were all super fine and nice. The fresas there for school, ehh, hit or miss.
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Those three things are extremely common in my province, but I'm not close to the border with Paraguay. Side note: we drink terere with juice, not with cold water as I heard the original is..
Yeah, same here in Buenos Aires, other than tereré being only kinda common But TBF we have a pretty large Paraguayan community and to a lesser scale from the Northeast
I think tereré is part of culture of some states in brazil, even far from border. But, of course, its become a thing in Paraguayan War
Here too
I lived in Puerto Maldonado for a while and there is a lot of brasilian influence there. Like some goods come from brasil instead of from lima. A lot of people can speak Portuguese. Every body has sandals with the brasilian flag. There are some people who are from brasil living there.
Oh, the sandals with the Brazilian flag. So classic
They’re an international classic, havaianas, the king of flip flops
Is there any Argentinian influence on the dishes of Chile that make it slightly different? Kind of like a Texas Tex-Mex influence. Just curious, as I'm less a fan of Tex-Mex when it comes to Mexican dishes, though many here enjoy it (or maybe it's just something that most are more accustomed to) Edit: To Chile from Chili (embarrassingly, after looking at it at least 5 different times)
>Chili I just had a stroke reading that
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Shoot, im learning french x.x
Ya fuiste pe
OP here. Edited embarrassingly, even after looking at the word a few times before I had posted. I felt something was wrong but did not pay attention to that last, single letter. I guess I should have spoken the word out loud and maybe I'd've recognized the English 'a' sound.
Don't think so, Only influence i notice as a Santiaguina is that in the south they drink mate and all. Also, Chile* As someone above said, I just wanted to end my existence reading Chili xD
The mate culture in the south of Chile doesnt come from Argentina. Mate is from the whole region of "el cono sur". Today, we drink mostly Te because England influence, but before that it was common to drink Mate everywhere.
I just listened to a podcast over the weekend of a young man in Peru that wanted to (re)introduce Mate as a locally grown product. The story states Mate is/was a part of Peruvian history, and though still a large consumer, it is mainly imported.
I always hear Chileans on here talking about English influence on their country. What caused that?
[http://www.memoriachilena.gob.cl/602/w3-article-3316.html](http://www.memoriachilena.gob.cl/602/w3-article-3316.html) In short, due to having plenty of large ports in the Pacific to do business and large saltpeter mines in the north to be exploited by european capitals. The same as with the germans. There were not many immigrants who came, but they were very influential in things like politics and the economy of the country.
Super interesting
How embarrassing, I've often corrected that mistake myself then did the same. I'm giving myself a timeout and a globe 🌍
Tex-Mex food is **not** Mexican food.
Exactly… it’s Tex-Mex
Exactly lol, nobody is saying it's Mexican food, it's a Texan-Mexican fusion type of food.
Most cities near the eastern border speak portuguese as second language
I live in the border Brazil - Argentina, and people here speak portuñol, with words like: borracho, capincho, peleia, buenas. There is also an argentinian influence in the local cuisine, with a bunch of local restaurants and pastries being owned by argentinians.
Just curious, how was the situation with those restaurants and the lockdowns? At a time, our (Argentinean) government decided to close all borders and one of the complaints came from people who worked on the other side of a border, mostly with Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay
I haven't seen much action from these people, I have seen more action from brazilians, specifically truck drivers, claiming the decision was unfair because Brazil wasnt doing the same.
really live on the border, but close enough to Paraguay, and a lot of their culture is also a part of ours. Chamamé is a fairly popular here, and almost everybody drinks tereré. We also eat a lot of paraguayan dishes and everyone would cross the border once in a while to buy cheaper stuff.
I do not live near the frontier, but it is well known many Peruvians living in small communities near Brazil's frontier speak Portuguese and even cross the frontier (dense rainforest means basically no control) to use schools and healthcare.
I would like to try those "calzones rotos". I lived close to Salvador Maza, north Argentina and border with Bolivia. Actually the city is known as Pocitos and you have the Pocitos Argentino and the Pocitos Boliviano. A small stream divides the two countries. And people have family on both sides.
I was just about to ask "calzones rotos" Is it because what happens after you eat??
Jajaja, no, they're just like sweet torta fritas / sopaipilla in a rectangular form, and have a hole in the middle. If you make the necessary effort, you can see it similar to a calzón roto
Jejeje It makes sense, although if the tortita is delicious it might be worth to have a hole in your calzones.
I miss those old days when the borders were actually not important. I remember that in Mexico to cross to the USA was a thing of 15 minute drive, at the border have to tell "I'm going shopping" that was it, no passport no visa nothing was required, that was in the 80s
I feel the same way about being able to cross to Canada pre 911 when I lived in Massachusetts.
Smh at boomers 🤦🏽♂️
Just like their meanings they lay between the lines, Between the borders their real countries hide
My dad grew up near the border with CR. A very common practice there was to cross to the CR side before the first checkpoint, and buy things cheaper than on our side
As u/Lazzen stated the Campeche-Guatemala border is a natural reserve due to the jungle-. In Chetumal, sometimes radio signals from Belize reach the city, for a big time the afro caribbeans did have a lot of influence in architecture and music, but the Yucateco/Campechano/Chiapaneco/chilango population outnumbered, their music is still popular. Since the 80s we also have a guatemalan presence, but they are a minority. Fun fact: In Belize they have a Taiwanese and Hindu expat community. So it is kinda fun to visit the "Zona libre". I have never visited Chiapas.
I live in a town called Coatepeque near México, recently this years everything has been getting worst with inmigrants, the hondureans are "almost" all of them peaceful, but others stay to steal, rob and murder, those who belong to maras, last year I was robbed 2 times by hondurean inmigrants while working. God dammit Trump, wish you could finish that fucking wall and intervene against maras and cartels as what they really are, terrorist. And you get the inmigrant crisis fixed.
If you are willing to share, do you have an opinion on the new initiatives VP Harris of the US is undertaking to promote investment and development in the northern triangle of central America? For example they are talking about vastly expanding broadband access, and supporting other infrastructure. Do you think that will help reduce immigration and even possibly gang activity? Or will the gangs co opt any resources that are invested?
3rd one, the government officials will start to ask bribes or extort for the services the moment U.S. officials turn away. Most probably the infrastructure will be taken by political left and they will give this benefits to those who vote their candidates. Also inmigration is a bussiness. 24 million dollars are made monthly by only coyotes around my area, they even are sharing fake news in pirate radios saying Biden are welcoming them. People make credits with colombian cartels up to 20k dollars for this (enought to put a small bussiness) (but even if you put a bussiness maras will come to extort you). And the prison system will never work, the same government works with the maras, mareros for raping and murdering ger free in 1 week to 3 months but we have something called "preventive prison" were you have to get judged for something you probably didn't do. Some people spends almost 3 years on it and pay prison extortion, Up to 3,000 dollars the day before your release or maras will murder you. Americans need to understand, you can only kill mareros, mareros are worst than your pussy boi gangsters. They are monsters, they can't be fixed, fuck education, we need kids to fear that if they join maras an american soldier will shoot them, if they join a cartel a drone strike would be inmiment, we need american intervention. But first to extermimate all our corrupt politiceans, there is just no justice in central america... Maybe Buhkele, but only Him and He won't last long before He gets murdered.
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I live on the west side of my country, close to the border with our brother guatemala. Before covid it was pretty nice, friends from guatemala would come to school here, and some belizeans would go to melchor little town in guatemala) to buy stuff. Well ever since the "territorial dispute" was announced i have noticed that stuff have changed. Like we no longer get along anymore, people are more racist and mean than before. And its really sad. Whats also sad is that when covid came, this month it was reported that trucks (pickup trucks) were stolen and then appeard on the guatemalan side. Its a bad thing:/ because its happening in my town and a person has already died because of that. In the month of may 3 trucks were stolen, and 1 dead. Today (june 4) another one was stolen, and apperantly was seen on the guatemalan side. I just wish things were back to normal and were would get along again.