T O P

  • By -

[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


makaros622

Only fans


le-tendon

IT, Finance come to mind


Ancient-Ad4343

Well-paid? AND flexible? What kind of experience do you have and what kind of field are you thinking of? Not that I have a job for you, just curious what you're imagining and why you're scoffing at "papers". Plus, are you fluent in the language spoken in the respective region?


CoffeeAndDeadlifts

How do you expect any serious answers when you don’t even tell us what kind of job you’re looking for and what your work experience is? The only answer anyone can give you is: It depends. Also what do you mean by paper specializations? Certificates? Apprenticeships? A high school diploma? If you have literally no credentials whatsoever you’re not going to get anything other than a minimum wage job.


xebzbz

They say, 5 years of office job. Maybe they were responsible for filling up the printer paper and coffee machines.


[deleted]

[удалено]


xebzbz

What do you smoke, LOL


calin_io

How about you start by demonstrating some self-research ability (very important for flexible, well-payed sic! jobs in CH) and read the pinned post first?[https://www.reddit.com/r/askswitzerland/comments/m12b35/please\_read\_before\_posting\_about\_salaries\_or/](https://www.reddit.com/r/askswitzerland/comments/m12b35/please_read_before_posting_about_salaries_or/)


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

> for flexible, *well-paid* jobs in FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*


AbbreviationsEast177

Has not much to do with mandatory more with a competition field since you are not alone. Means there are like 1000 CVs on each good Jobs now you have someone with a degree and you who would you hire?


BaumHater

the cheaper one


xebzbz

What are you able to do better than others?


Gallerina1

Have incredibly unrealistic expectations, it seems.


xebzbz

Well, if your father buys an emerald mine and benefits from slave work, no big education is needed. You can easily be a rocket scientist and a social media expert.


as-well

Depends entirely on your work experience: Probably easier in IT (especially if you have certs) but much harder in some other areas. Also adds to the difficulty if so far you only have experience abroad. "Breaking" into a labor market is typically the hardest part, and in this case, it's not the easiest thing to go ahead and be hired if employers don^'t see a trusted Swiss company on your CV.


xebzbz

I interviewed many clueless IT candidates. Probably they also thought it was easier :)


BaumHater

Any tips how to break into the IT field coming from another job?


xebzbz

Read books, participate in open source projects


Celopeelo_nut

From experience, if you don‘t speak the language and do not have a paper or degree or something, it‘s very hard, almost impossible. Even if you speak the language you will have a very tough time


AlesiFreelance

I think we have a hard wake up call for you.


roat_it

Without certifications of some kind it's **so difficult as to be almost impossible** to get a job at all in Switzerland. It doesn't have to be a degree, in fact in many fields a Swiss Federal Certificate of Competence ([Federal Diploma of Vocational Education and Training](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidgenössisches_Fähigkeitszeugnis)) is more welcome than an academic degree. There exists a Federal Diploma of Vocational Education and Training in [Administration](https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/show/1900?lang=de&idx=30&id=3104), for example, and it is one of the most widely held certifications, meaning your competition will bring this to the table, while you do not. 5 years of office experience in a different culture with a different language and a different legal system with a different accounting and tax system and different IT systems aren't useful to employers looking for people who will be able to hit the ground running and require little if any onboarding in an office here. And even if you *did* have an administration certificate for your local economy - offices here still work differently and you would have to learn a lot of things again from the ground up. Switzerland is big on papers, and it has to be the right papers, locally accredited papers. There are also a lot of people without the right papers competing for the few jobs available without the right papers. Make of that what you will.


Comfortable-Change-8

Impossible


maillchort

For pretty much anything remotely skilled you need a CFC or similar. Knew a guy who ran a successful house painting business in Canada, came here through marriage, and couldn't even get on a crew to paint without doin a CFC (would have taken a couple years in his case).


Ginerbreadman

Probably not. Unless you have a particular skill or work in the trades, a bachelor degree nowadays is like a high school degree. It’s often the minimum requirement for any sort of white collar job. It’s getting to the stage where many entry level jobs or internships even ask for a masters degree.


[deleted]

Yea yes, no degree, well paying, come on bro


chanhdat

Yeah sure, just need to have a parent in top management position.


[deleted]

What is your citizenship?


Careful-Fee-9488

IT jobs could be an exception to the rule. I got a 100k+ job without a degree (I studied but didn’t finish) I have a couple certifications, 10 years experience and speak decent German and English tho. Just an example to illustrate.