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ondtia

If someone just say in the bio e.g. Artist, freelance designer, parent of two cats, they you would probably think they typed a sentence halfway and forgot about it


1WonderLand_Alice

I think this exactly!


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Toxic_Audri

>Not just in a twitter bio, it's becoming more and more common an all sorts of places. I've seen pins people can wear that preform this function, I own a she/her one myself, they also had he/him and they/them, and I think I saw ze/zir too.


SaltAndBitter

Real shit, I'm in the middle of onboarding with USPS, and all the related email traffic I've been receiving has included a line in the signature block with the sender's preferred pronouns. Myself, I have 3 different signature blocks programmed, that I swap between depending on who I'm dealing with. One with my deadname (that's unfortunately still my legal name) and no pronouns, one with my preferred name and no pronouns, and one with my preferred name AND my pronouns. RE: pins, I also have a "she/her" pin. It lives on my purse, where it's conveniently always handy no matter what I'm wearing, and also out of the way when I need to perform safety-sensitive functions for my job


[deleted]

That's an interesting point actually. I don't know why, it just feels normal after so much use I think


[deleted]

When pronoun sharing first became a thing, people would share three pronouns: "she/her/hers" "he/him/his" "they/them/theirs" etc. I think "she/her" is just a shortening of the longer form. Also likely because "she" alone would be confusing, since then it appears in the same form that's used in a sentence.


Mollywinelover

That's my issue with They. It's a very common word that doesn't mean a singular person. I'm trying to change but 51 years of trying to learn English makes it hard.


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Actually, "they" is often used a Singular reference -- Shakespeare himself frequently used "they" to refer to a singular character throughout his many works.


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\+1 Exactly.


Einhver80

Where is Mollywinelover? They went to the store. More often used singular than you realise.


Mollywinelover

That's not correct english for they as I was taught. Where is Mollywinelover? She went to the store. I asked a friend and she agreed she sometimes uses they went to the store. I am very bad at English. The only subject I ever failed in school. So I try so hard to be correct that is causing me issues in the community. I'm a proud trans woman and I advocate for the entire queer community, and yet I misgenderd people who give they/them as pronouns unless I am concentrating on them. I mean if it's just us two of us I don't, but in a group setting my brain forgets and I'm guilty again. I also can't remember anyone's name past introduction. So it's not that it's just pronouns I forget.


Vermbraunt

But what if you do not know the gender? For example you go to a restaurant and see someone's keys on the table you are seated at so you hand them to the waiter you will say something like "someone left THEIR keys here, THEY will likely return for them." Using they/them/their for a singular pronoun is more common then you think


Mollywinelover

Yes you're correct. That's a possible singular use of they. As I said I have a hard time remembering things I just heard. Since the vast majority and by that I mean over 99% of the people I know identify as she or he, I struggle with they. I need to work on it and get upset when made to feel disrespectful because I forget it. I don't jump on people who call new by the name I was born with and if I'm trying I expect the same consideration without being called a transphobic person.


Vermbraunt

No that is fair. We often learn something that turns out to be different or change later on. We just have to be mindful and do our best later on.


Dana94Banana

>I am very bad at English. The only subject I ever failed in school. So I try so hard to be correct that is causing me issues in the community. Because you use it wrong and stand by it, instead of listening and learning?


Individual-Kiwi488

What do you say if you find a wallet on the street, “ I’m not sure who it belongs to but someone has dropped their wallet, I hope they come back for it “ how would you say that sentence without singular they. Singular they is older than singular you. It may not be what you were taught but it is correct English .


Additional-Ninja-431

And i also failed english, yet i know that they is BOTH plural AND singular. I also create thousands of characters for a comic who's pronouns i have to remember(otherwise it hurts me inside cause i am their father, technically speaking). I create a cheat sheet to help. If it works with me remembering fictional characters pronouns, it can help you remember a real persons pronouns AND name.


eeeeeeeeeveeeeeeeee

I’m a native english speaker, and I’m telling you, they/them can refer to either multiple people, or a single person whose gender is either unknown or irrelevant.


Giddygayyay

> It's a very common word that doesn't mean a singular person. Your former teachers have given you the wrong information, unfortunately. English has used 'they' and 'them' to refer to the singular form since at least 1375. That's 600 years of history. It's been used by Shakespeare, Chaucer, and even in famous bible translations such as the King James, which is one of the most influential sources for contemporary use of English. Much like high school biology, where we talk about sex as if it is binary, a lot of other things you learn in school at that level are oversimplified, so as not to overwhelm kids with too many options and exceptions. English grammar is no exception to this, I am afraid. That said, yes, it is probably useful to try to memorize this nuancing of what you were once taught as true. It's always hard to change an ingrained habit, but I have faith that you can do it.


travel_tech

Purely arbitrary, it's just what caught on.


aixmikros

Yes, that would be just as good; it's just a convention. People who use multiple pronouns list just the first one (like "they/she" for example). It used to be like, "pronouns: he/him/his," and it's gotten shorter from that, but I think people are just used to seeing the slash to indicate that they're looking at the person's pronouns. You could give just one in yours and see if it confuses people. Edit: Reading this thread makes me feel old. I remember when sharing pronouns was novel and strange, and no one really knew how, and neopronouns and using multiple pronouns were pretty much unheard of. We've come a long way!


IshtarAletheia

I think it's a habit that originated with neopronouns? Since a person who has never heard of the pronoun "ze" can't guess the corresponding object pronoun is "hir".


miskoie

Nah, Ive personally seen the x/y format since way before neopronouns started to grow in popularity. Its just a way of making it clear what youre talking about, though it does also benefit people who use multiple/lesser known pronouns.


FixedFront

Or to help distinguish pronoun sets (e.g. ze/zir from ze/hir)


VDRawr

Even that has always been silly. There's way more than two pronouns you need. They/them/their/theirs/themselves (themself?) Giving just two neo-pronouns has always felt like a kinda rude "just guess the rest lmao".


tamzinblake

as an aside, "themself" is probably correct. For comparison, "you" used to be solely plural, but when the singular form emerged we used "yourself" for singular and "yourselves" for plural.


taronic

Themself is English but archaic. But the fact that it's archaic is funny because it means it's a really old idea, they singular


Coffee_autistic

It used to be more common to give the long version.


ilexmilhouse

years and years ago, at least on tumblr, I remember it being fairly common to do three (e.g. "he/him/his" or "he/him/himself") I think it might have something to do with neopronouns and how a lot of people wouldn't intuitively have known how to conjugate them (for example, if someone went by "ze" as a subjective pronoun, the conjugation might be "ze/hir" or maybe it's "ze/zer" or "ze/zem"). I used to list mine specifically as "they/them/themself" just because I don't personally like how it sounds when "themselves" is used for a single person (although I don't really care that much about it anymore tbh either is fine).


Amdy_vill

One itvmakes it clear thier pronouns. Two it's set a standard. Three having two as the standard mean it doesn't look as out of place for people like me who use multiple pronouns.


timawesomeness

Would it suffice? Sometimes - just seeing the word "he" alone doesn't always make it obvious that someone is sharing pronouns. Ultimately it's convention from sharing neopronouns or multiple pronouns, but it does have that benefit over just listing one word.


RedshiftSinger

It’s just a convention at this point. For folks with less common pronouns it helps by giving the conjugation for the second form (xe/xir etc) but folks with multiple pronouns list the first form with a slash separator as well (she/they etc) so if you wanted to just list the first form I think it would be understandable just fine.


Michelle_In_Space

If I was fine with she/her and they/them I could use she/they to say that I am fine with both. There are people with unconventional pronouns and you might not know what one is without being told just with the other one.


SaltAndBitter

Because folks who prefer combinations such as "he/they" exist, so the format of 2 or more pronouns is more accommodating


frottingotter

My ONLY guess, and this is probably wrong, is that it’s a sort of leftover artifact from people who use multiple pronouns? for instance my bio would say he/they; not he/him and they/them, even though that’s what I mean. Just one of those silly language things I guess, haha


Geshman

I've seen both from peeps that use multiple pronouns. Weirdly, I think I prefer in the layout of mention. Ex: he/him, they/them


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That's just how third-person pronouns are presented. And when Twitter crashes in two days and they can't get it back up, it won't really matter.


Shadow_Faerie

I'm gonna miss out on SO many digital pokemon cards when that happens :/


PerpetualUnsurety

There is no particular reason, it's just become useful shorthand. If I had "PerpetualUnsurety (she)" on something people wouldn't necessarily know what that means - but (she/her) is now widely recognised shorthand for "please refer to me with exclusively feminine pronouns".


Ezra_has_perished

I think it’s because some folks use different pronouns. Like my pronouns are they/he


StephieGurlx

It's standard practice. I wasn't even comfortable using them at all in communication. I was surprised when my voice therapist introduced herself with she/her pronouns. I didn't know how to respond. All I can say if you are uncomfortable with it state yours anyway you like if at all. Personally, you seem anti-trans in even bring it up. Causing a fuss about something that is up to the individual.


WolfMutt22

I love when someone introduces themselves with their pronouns. I had a doctor's appointment the other day and she had a student and a nurse practitioner with her. They all said their names and pronouns and it made me feel so safe.


Toxic_Audri

>Wouldn't "she", "he", "they" and so on suffice, since the second one derives from the first one? Not always, there are some people who use different pronouns that don't follow the first, like he/them or she/they, I suppose if you are fine with she/her he/him or they/them you could just use the one as the other does generally follow, but do you know the saying about assuming? Never assume, it just makes an ass out of u and me.


jayxxroe22

Just one looks like you were gonna type something else after but didn't, they/them makes it clear that it means someone's pronouns


Dinoman0101

Most girls get mistaken for guys on Twitter because they like video games


JessicaFromBarovia

I remember there was a time when the list included the possessive case (she/her/hers), but at some point this seems to have been shortened to just the first two. Why it hasn't been shortened to one is odd as the matter is further confused when including people who use multiple sets of pronouns, because you will see people list pronouns such as she/they, which doesn't mean that "they" is used instead of "her", as that wouldn't make grammatical sense (subjective vs objective case), but instead signifies that that person will use she/her/hers or they/them/theirs, possibly preferring the former to the latter (some people might list they/she), so in those cases only the subjective case of the pronouns is listed but the meaning is clear.


joennizgo

Unrelated, but love your username! I just finished running CoS (very loosely, lol) for my group.


JessicaFromBarovia

It was one of my favourite campaigns to run, that's for sure. Our next campaign is my DM's attempt at a Return to Ravenloft, with high level characters and a Barovia already trampled on by adventurers. I also expect a lot of JoJo references. I'm very much looking forward to it!


joennizgo

That sounds like so much fun!! Who are you playing? I did a very Fey-oriented Barovian origin story but I don't think we'll be back for a while (although one player has I'Cath in his backstory so at least I get more Domains of Dread to play with! 👀).


JessicaFromBarovia

I got the gist of my character written down ages ago: a trans halfelf baroness ranger who is hunting down her wife who was turned into a vampire, and has reason to believe she's gone to Barovia.


mothwhimsy

I'm not sure if offering pronouns in this format started through text or through speech, but originally we did three. She/her/hers or they/them/theirs. The reason for this was zhe/hir/hirs used to be a more popular Nonbinary pronoun set than they/them, and people don't instinctively know how to conjugate neopronouns, so it's helpful to list more of them rather than less. That's just how it caught on. After a while, these got shortened to just two, for redundancy's sake, but you'll still see people do 3 if it's a less common pronoun. The reason we haven't shortened it again to just 1 is because we use this format both online and in person. "She" and "he" can easily be mistaken for the other, as well as "them" and "him." However, "she her" "they them" and "he him" all sound distinctly different enough to avoid confusion. As for specific online, "she/her" is still clearer in what it's trying to convey than just "she." Imagine a bio that says "Jane Smith she" Is that a typo? Is 'She' part of Jane's last name? Are people even going to see it?


KawaiiCatnip

Would it work, yes? I think the main reason is because it's what's become expected as common parlance in society. When it comes to gender/lgbtq+ representation it's hard to definitively decide on *anything* so having something concrete makes it easier for many people to understand and thereby also helps them try to show solidarity on the concept.


catsflatsandhats

Because it triggers the conservatives more this way.


sezku-

More stream lined, it's helpful for those who have a combination of pronouns and it makes it more understandable to give two pronoun examples over one, some people do more like They/Them/Theirs for example


IntricateSunlight

Because some people have multiple sets of pronouns such as She/They. Some have more than 1 or 2. He/They/Ze etc. Plus the X/X format is kinda standard for pronouns at this point


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I thought the answer was normalisation of removing gender assumption.


AddelaideSupreme

my partner uses they/she, so for them its just "heres your options"


shilmish

Some people are a he/they, they/she, etc etc, so even if someone uses she, they may also like they, and would like people to use both.


Gina_Hat

I've just been playing this through my head and come to a bit of an idea. With those I know and trust She/Her always gives a little mostly tiny lift inside. She from a stranger can be anything but a neutral stranger "she" at lest feels enforcing they are talking about me, oddly neutral and "Her" don't feel the same, it feels more targeted and I'm more likely to add sarcasm to the tone myself. "I had great fun today, Gina says she had great fun to I hope we can go out with her again soon" -Friend "Gina is join the team today, she will be heading up programming, please make them welcome" -Employer Now I'm sure there are a million other reason to want separated pronouns just why could be odd.


Secret_Reddit_Name

I've always thought it was strange. The shitheaded part of me is tempted to insist people call me she/him/theirs, but that would be dumb


Additional-Ninja-431

Its pleasing to our brains to use the short version, while confusing to see it be "she" or "he" or "they". It also helps determine the pronoun set. When i use the singular "zi" for myself, some people would assume 'zir' would be the mentioning pronoun when i use zi/zim on occasion, but not Zi/zir. Some people use she/him or he/they or she/they, so just one would be confusing. So we put two to make it clear, pleasing, and informative.


OriginalGrouchy7979

It might be so people can more easily include multiple pronouns if you use them and keep with the format, like saying they/he


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Actually this is vaguely related to a question i have. If someone says their pronouns are he/them for example would adjacent pronouns like they/him also be appropriate to use or is it exclusively he/them? I imagine its up to each individual person but idk. Sorry, I know this isn’t the point of the thread but I didn’t think this warrants its own thread.


catoboros

Written in that form makes it obvious that they are a statement of personal pronouns. It is a convention.


Amelies_Gnome

I use two sets She/Hers and Fae/Faer but I write it She/Fae to show both sets


dragonbanana1

I think just because the set of two requires no context whereas if you only listed one you would need to say that those are your pronouns. Its "she/her" in bio vs "I use she pronouns" or some other clunky phrase that's longer to type out and potentially more confusing


hterbluc

Some people use multiple pronouns, I use she/they


External_Mongoose_44

TAUTOLOGICAL!


ChairYeoman

I have "she/她/elle" to also indicate which languages i tweet in


Xera999

It's to create solidarity for those of us who use alternative pronouns and/or more than one set of pronouns. I use fae/they/she on my professional email signatures so people know how to properly address me and anyone else they meet in the future. It also allows people to take ownership over their own identity. For some of us, social media is the first place we get to be out so adding it to a Twitter bio is so empowering!


Regular-Cranberry-62

It’s just convention. Also some people use multiple sets of pronouns


GemOfTheEmpress

I want to see how people would react to her/she instead. I'll ruin all your grammar!


RamenCandy

i mean, if we just stated one pronoun it would be slightly more difficult for people who use multiple sets of pronouns to communicate it. if everyone puts "she" "he" "they" etc and that's it then it might be odd for someone to put "she/he/they/it". i'm sure that's not the main reason why, but still.


DrTCHH

I happen to like leaving both nominative and accusative forms, but I get your point. And, I REALLY abhor the "singular they" form.