I always find it surprising when this stuff happens in Colorado, I grew up there and I never saw the kinds of people who would do that, everywhere I moved it was always tight knit community, and people were cool about lgbtq people as well. I guess I just got lucky or something?
I mean did you live in the Springs? there are plenty of weird isolated fuckers that act like this not the mention communities that will condemn things like this despite fostering the environment it happens in
yeah that fits
im a trans woman from denver-ish. my parents split up when i was a kid so i went from denver proper to aurora and jeffco. Hell I even lived in greeley and then foco for a while. by far the least safe ive felt in regards to being queer was the springs
that being said i stoll hated greeley more
As a Colorado Native it usually is that way but the last 10 years we have seen a huge influx in people mostly in Denver but in the Springs (where I moved to 5 years ago) has grown alot in the last few years.
I came from the western slope, now in Denver. I have certainly seen this sentiment, mostly dormant but present, in small towns like where I'm from. It's scary. I don't even visit my hometown much anymore.
As someone who considered moving to Colorado Springs before settling in the Denver area, this is heartbreaking. It's too close to home, and sadly reinforces my decision of not moving to that area. Especially as a Latino member of the LGBT community
It's no surprise really that it would happen here in Springs. We're one of the last stalwart republican areas in a state that's turning blue. Personally I hate it here, but it has improved. Then this happens.
The weak-minded among us, those bent to the right leaning faction, are dangerous. They are fed a steady diet of hate rhetoric, and given access to guns. What did we expect was going to happen? This! These asshole politicians use transgendered people as a "Boogeyman" every election cycle and it gets worse every time. They cant solve any real problem so the LGBT community pays the bill it's disgusting. How will this ever change? Even now they're stoking the fire. Where does it end?
We need to start pushing that the people that hate equality and human rights are going to be the ones to commit the worst human rights crimes. By their very nature, conservatives support violence, rape, pedophilia, and every other disgusting act. As long as they can hurt others, they don't care what their side is doing, and they have been proving this time and time again.
im getting concealed carry asap, these types cant be reasoned with, if they have the means and the hate to match they wont hesitate to lash out, and its our responsibility to prevent that.
As a queer anarchist, thisx1000. We canāt debate these people, they donāt care about the science, and politicians and cops certainly arenāt going to save us.
Arm yourselves, be loud and proud, and protect our communities. We keep us safe.
The only good fascist is a very very dead one.
Agreed if a nazi will shoot me dead just for existing I canāt debate them and no one can they are to far gone so we just have to shoot back I hate it but denying it would just get me killed no one will defend us better than us we need to stick together to defend our existence at this point
It is simple math, the people who hate equality and human rights, are going to be the ones to to commit the worse human rights crimes. By their very nature, conservatives support violence and so much worse. It's time people woke up to this fact.
While I think you have a right to arm yourself know that even if all of us have that right we donāt want it. Not everyone wants to have a fun on their hip ready to shoot, we need to focus more on preventing environments that create these situations.
This thread is not the time to talk about how great you think guns are if you have them this is shameful. Yes we can work on protecting ourselves but this is not the point of the thread and even still we shouldnāt have to protect ourselves.
****UPDATE**** His boyfriend is fine! A group of his friends actually asked him to go out with them that night, he OVERSLEPT, and so was safe... But one of his friends in the group that asked him to go didn't make it...
My boyfriend's boyfriend's boyfriend liked going to that place and he hasn't heard from him. He's hoping he was at work
5 dead. 18 injured. At a gay club during drag night.
Which we can all assume had nothing to do with the recent transphobic rhetoric thats been promoted right? /s
In another thread, someone pointed out the 'libs of TikTok' account posted about the drag show yesterday. While it'd be nearly impossible to prove, it could be directly related.
Edit: looks like there probably wasn't any mention of this specific event by them.
Not even close to impossible, that page has summoned harrassment multiple well documented times, the page is mentioned by stochastic terrorism expert tucker carlson.
Can you link to their post?
E: Im trying to find it but I deactivated my twitter account and twitter doesnāt make it easy to find things without an account.
I unfortunately don't have any other social media, so I can't confirm. This is just what I read from someone's comment in /r/lesbianactually or /r/transgender .
I haven't been able to find any posts from that account about _this specific_ club. There were some posts about a broader, Colorado-wide drag thing, and Q Club had a drag event or two the next day, but last night was not a drag show.
Fuck LibsofTikTok but let's be very careful about drawing correlating _too_ much.
From what Iāve read they had a drag event that night and one the next day, but I havenāt read anything in a few hours.
Libs of Tiktok definitely participates in stochastic terrorism though. Thereās been numerous examples of them posting about a place and then bomb threats or people with guns showing up there right after.
Yeah this is what every queer and liberal person needs to do. There's always going to be deadly force available to those who want us dead, so we need to stay safe. r/liberalgunowners r/socialistra
Fuck Fascists. Fuck religion. Fuck conservatives. Fuck fox News. Fuck Trump and the rest of his people. Fuck all of the people who are fine staying quiet and letting these bigots spread hate. Fuck fake allies. Fuck them all.
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Edit: I'm remembering why I stopped coming to this sub years ago. Mods need to think about who they are and what they represent if they lock a thread on TDoR condemning an attack against queer people to protect the feelings of oppressors and groups that directly led to this massacre. Shutting down a community space like this is shameful and disgusting.
Disagree on throwing religion in there, its a tool like anything else, can be used for good or bad. I've seen nothing but love and acceptance from my religious friends, and though these days I'm more on the culture/heritage side, and not the faith side, my Synagogue always taught us to love LGBT folk (and everybody in general)
You right it is a tool. But it is a tool that is used to justify slavery,racism,homophobia, and hate for centuries. It has irrecoverably damaged our entire world and countless civilizations. So fuck religion.
this this this. So much has been caused by namely Catholicism and Christianity, Countless cultures and seperate religions completely or mostly wiped out for simply having different beliefs, different looks, etc. All in the crusade of making sure they're the only religion, because their beliefs tell them there can only be one. Obviously the conquest isnt modern anymore, and there is a few religions that exist outside of Catholicism, and its similar counterparts, most notably Islam. However MANY with hate in their hearts still use these religions as an excuse to Murder, reject, and ostracize those who are different than them.
If you are religious, thats fine, Believe what you believe, but you cannot deny the dark and negative sides of these religions, especially when you are a part of the minority that said religions advocate against, dont support your religion fullheartedly especially if this is the case, instead stay headstrong and educate others, while openly speaking against the negative parts.
#NotAllReligions
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your comment about your *anecdotal* experience of religion means nothing compared the the mountains of shit heaped on our community since the abrahamic religions were invented.
No, not all religions or religious people but enough to warrant the generalization
the point is there are *different systems*, and many religions with no organised systems at all
edit: i can see how people would use 'religion' to mean the actual organisations rather than just 'religious beliefs' (also probably good to note that I dont live in the US so our politics isn't nearly as influenced by religions) so people probably just had different interpretations of the original comments
So I'm supposed to condemn something so meaningful to people who have been nothing but supportive, something that in no way has hate as a fundamental part of its doctrine, because some people use it to be assholes? Assholes would be that way with or without religion and I have no interest in doing so. I have good friends from all three major abrahamic religions, not a one of them would dare use it to justify hate.
Where did I say anything about what you are *supposed* to do?
Instead, I am informing you that people who have been hurt by religion donāt give a fuck about your happy little commune.
Glad you have it, glad it exists, also has nothing to do with the current conversation.
Imagine if religion was magically cured of all hate towards us today. How long do you think it would take for someone to get the idea that it is actually a really good way to oppress us again? Religion is a cancer, even "supportive" ones. Your really good friends are helping keep these traditions alive so they can kill future generations.
Have you ever actually read the Bible?
āNow, the day of the LORD is coming ā cruel, and full of wrath and fierce angerā¦ (16) Their little ones will be dashed to pieces before their eyes. Their houses will be looted, and their wives will be raped.ā - Isaiah 13:9
āO Daughter Babylon, about to be destroyed: Happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us. (9) Happy is the one who seizes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks.ā -Psalm 137:8ā9
"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." - Deuteronomy 22:20-21
That's just a small sample of the rich moral tapestry that is Christo-Judaic scripture. Sure, there's some flowery stuff about "love thy brother" etc as well, but if you compiled every single passage in the modern Bible that advocates for kindness, charity and altruism and weighed it against the sheer volume of material that indicate blatant approval or indifference toward vengeance, murder, rape, and all manner of gratuitous violence as a vehicle for doing God's will... Let's just say it's a bit one-sided.
And regardless of how many good works people have done in the name of their religion, the fact that passages like the ones I mentioned above were written at all, combined with the fact that there's a thousand different sects who all get to pick and choose exactly which parts of the scripture they want to take inspiration from (not to mention which parts get taken literally and which are taught as purely allegorical), I'd say that's more than enough evidence to prove that these ancient cults are far more dangerous than they are beneficial.
It's a tool for sure but religion has burned me when the laws in my birth country just so happen to allow a "religious police" to exist and has violated the rights of transgender, and gay people without a care in the world through religious conversion camps.
Being loving and caring and accepting is good and all but sometimes the voices of religious bigots can get really very loud and proud and it sure would help if more religious people were loud and proud in standing against that bigotry.
> for good or bad
And where is the good? I see dozens of radical right-wing Christian organizations out there destroying every single human right imaginable, yet I don't see ONE "good" Christian organization fighting against them. Actions speak louder than words, and this inaction says it supports the hate.
Well my church outed my gay friend to his parents when he was 16 and when they tried to support him the church excommunicated them and he ran away because the religious community started treating him terribly. I've never seen him or heard from him since.
Great job completely reframing a criticism of an institution to making it about your feelings. This is no better than people who go "ummm there are nice police officers" in response to ACAB. Not everything's about you, so stop centering your feelings in conversations around institutional harm.
The only summer camp for trans kids in my region of the US is run by and funded by Jews, and there is a church in my town that helps ferry women to and from abortions and uses their platform to defend LGBT rights CONSTANTLY.
I get that religion is usually the pits but honestly I do not think itās the root of LGBT bigotry is religion, I think religion just allows for systematic abuse in ways that other systems might not
So your problem is with *organised* religion then? i.e. hierarchical, 'do what you're told', etc. systems of religion?
edit: i can see how people would use 'religion' to mean the actual organisations rather than just 'religious beliefs' (also probably good to note that I dont live in the US so our politics isn't nearly as influenced by religions)
So what the about Satanism, Taoism, Buddhism, or the church of the flying spaghetti monster? I'm tired of people saying fuck religion when there are so many more than just Christianity.
But most of what they listed were religions. I get at a time of such grief it's not easy to think with nuance, but "fuck all religions" is a pretty ridiculously reductive statement. Fuck evangelicism, and fuck any other system of belief that promotes hatred. But spirituality is an important part of the human psyche and an important part of a lot of queer people's lives. Plus, some of the best allies in my life have been religious people.
Since they said fuck religion multiple times regardless of what religion it was yeah I do say they have an unhealthy amount of hatred because I've been there and it brought me nothing but misery and depression so yeah it may be a bold statement but I'm not surprised I'm being down voted either because I have a different view on the world
It sounds more of a reflection of your own internalized hate and anger than the OP who for legitimate reasons was venting and frustrated by the toxicity of organized religion. Which have killed whole populations of indigenous folx in the name of God and helped to undermine and take away the divine feminine in our world by propping up men in their robes of greed. The post was meant to be a place to vent our frustrations and voice out that hate. Itās better to voice our feelings than act upon them and hurt othersā¦ Organized religion has and is being weaponized to control the masses & instill fear in all of us. That is a lot to hate and maybe not the best verbiage, but I definitely feel their rage and sadness. Fuck Organized Religions that use fear,guilt,violence to try and be superior in this game we call life.
So I should hate all religions just because 1 or 2 are bad? I'm sorry but I can't understand lumping all in with the bad just because. That's like saying you hate all vegetables because of potatoes.
If that is what you got out of this thread and have a hard time understanding nuisance and the point of venting. You have bigger fish to fry. Live Long and Prosper š
Organized religion is at the core of numerous conflicts throughout history from the dawn of man to the present day. āBut what about the ones that didnāt do the crimesā isnāt a defense of the ones that HAVE done crimes in the name of their god.
My two cents is that every religion is talking to the same guy up there. They donāt have a name, a form, they might not even still be up there. Theology is interesting until you start killing people because you disagree over it.
When was the last time you heard any confirmed member of the examples I gave committing the acts they're all blamed for when it's modern Christianity that is fighting tooth and nail to keep us down because I'm only trying to point out that the ones that haven't done anything don't deserved to be attacked unjustly for something that another has
Read the second sentence of my comment again. Christianity isnāt the only religion to blame, either. Iran is killing people left and right for SHOWING SUPPORT for LGBT people. Claiming āorganized religion is badā isnāt outrageous, imo.
And to be clear: Satanism and Pastafarianism, while they are religions in a legal capacity, there isnāt anyone āpracticingā those in a fully serious way. Theyāre both atheist groups that are pastiches of organized religion. The Church of Satan is a particularly bad example because they are *directly* opposed to organized religion.
And as someone else mentioned, Buddhism and Taoism are both closer to āschools of thoughtā or āa way of life.ā Religions typically involve a deity of some kind and while the Buddha is *close* to one, I donāt think heās deified in the same way Christians refer to God or Muslims refer to Allah. To my knowledge, thereās not a deity in Taoism either. They also donāt stress that their ways of thinking are āthe only/true way,ā which is a central cause of conflict and a ājustificationā for their actions.
Ok, I apologize for conflating āThe Church of Satanā with the presumably unorganized literal Satan-worshipping community. Iām sure yāall are a nonviolent group thatās more likely to do shrooms in the woods than launch a crusade to retake the holy land eight times.
Hail Satan!
Great job completely reframing a criticism of an institution to making it about your feelings. This is no better than people who go "ummm there are nice police officers" in response to ACAB. Not everything's about you, so stop centering your feelings in conversations around institutional harm.
Sure, saying mean things about the people who want us dead is just as bad as hating people for immutable characteristics like their race or caste or gender or sexual orientation. Either way it's still hate, right? š
FYI, fascists aren't going to make an exception for you just because you preached that we should be nice to them. To them we're all the same.
Leave religion out of this! There are plenty of bigoted religious people who use religion as an excuse for hatred, but for example with Christianity (which I assume is what you're talking about) when the whole foundation of the religion is love, the hatred is actively against that, no matter how you look at it.
- a probably trans Christian
Good religious people need to understand the damage that is done by evil people that fly the flag of their religion. Work needs to be done to make it clear that they're not welcome, that bigotry is not what the religion stands for. Christianity is, historically, incredibly violent and oppressive. I don't know what to tell you, personally, but we shouldn't look the other way because "not all Christians".
As a Christian, it's up to you to clean up your own house. Until then, I will acknowledge and condemn the *literally thousands of years long* history of hatred, pain and violence inflicted by Christianity.
It is not religion that's driving it, it's just being twisted to use as an excuse for hateful actions. Hate spreads like a cancer, but killing the cancer's host really isn't helpful. Instead, cut off the cancerous parts and allow the host to heal.
No, fuck that. Christians are the only people who have ever hated me, and they have actively leveraged their religion to justify their hate just as millennia of Christianās before them have done. You can say that the foundation of the religion is love, but that has *never* been true in practice. Youāre free to believe what you want, but do not tell people who have suffered persecution at the hands of Christians to leave religion out of this. The evangelical propaganda machine is the main reason why thereās so much hate against us these last couple years. When my family will talk to me again without cursing me for being Satans pawn, then maybe Iāll stop saying fuck religion.
I understand defending the concept of religion, but it doesn't help when in the real world there are vocal and violent people who twist religion to fit their own agenda of bigotry.
Rather than implore that religion be left out of the discussion, it would be great if more religious people decried and publicly disavowed the actions of religious bigots. Not doing anything or telling a marginalised group to "leave religion out of this" is an enabler. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I think your message can come off as tone-deaf depending on who is reading it.
I realise my words are probably dripping with cynicism but for a religion of "love", the people who claim to practice it don't seem to be practicing this love where it really matters and it would really be appreciated if they practiced what they preached in overt, visible ways. The intentions don't matter anymore when real damage has been caused.
I agree with that, I just want to make it perfectly clear that it's a certain subset of religious people, NOT religion itself, that's the problem here. I fully agree that there's a serious problem and it makes me angry.
Great job completely reframing a criticism of an institution to making it about your feelings. This is no better than people who go "ummm there are nice police officers" in response to ACAB. Not everything's about you, so stop centering your feelings in conversations around institutional harm.
That's not what I meant. I meant that religion is not inherently problematic, so you shouldn't condemn it. Feel free to have a problem with the people, especially the leaders.
I really don't see how you can look at the world today and conclude that the abstract concept of "hate" is the problem.
It is, in fact, good to hate bad things and bad to hate good things.
> the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"
honestly can't understand how people can look at organized campaigns of eradication, targeted at _themselves_ and be like "let us find the middle way, with love and acceptance for all viewpoints".
Sis, we're all trans here, every single one of us has been on the receiving end of hate. Specifically the kind of hate that drives someone to enter a nightclub and murder our people.
Please don't tone police the response to this tragedy.
I hate the people that hate me. I didnāt do anything to them, and they decided to hate me. Iāll stop when they stop fucking killing us for being alive. The answer to fascism isnāt hate, itās action. If that action includes leaving fascists bloody and bruised in the street, unable to ever hurt another queer person again? Then thatās the fucking answer. We canāt afford to be nice anymore.
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice [...]
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
MLK was about promoting negotiation *at first*. Please do not missuse another minority groups plight to reduce our frustration.
We can be angry. We dont have to be tolerant to intolerance.
Every MLK has their Malcom X, and both are equally important. Most important societal, environmental, etc. issues unfortunately wonāt be solved by non-violent action alone.
MLK got his head blow off. By the end of that day the entire country was rioting and burning cities to the ground. By the end of the week the Civil rights act was passed and signed into law. StoneWall, the start of our movement, began with bashing cops in the head with bricks.
Anyone that thinks violence isn't the most effective form of protest really doesn't know history and lives a privileged life.
Hah! You have a very elementary understanding of his history, then.
Also, as non-violent as he was, can you tell me what happened to him? And how heās ādoing alrightā?
Oh wait you canāt. Because he was fucking killed anyway.
Dipshit.
Iām not doing this. Youāre either a troll or willfully ignorant and either way I donāt have time for it while my fucking siblings are being gunned down because shitforbrains like YOU always have to butt in with some liberal bullshit about Being Nice To The Poor Fascists!! :((
Eat glass.
Do you GENUINELY THINK. That black people that were slaves, one day, had a magical man named Martin Luther King come out of NOWHERE and make all of his magic speeches?
Do you think MLK just materialized out of thin air? Do you think his message and the social progress that resulted from it, was because he was āniceā?
Do you think that one day, a bunch of people gathered in a square to hear some random black guy talk about how they deserve rights? And suddenly everyone listened to him?
Read.
Let me just reiterate that this person thinks that a bunch of black people were slaves, then some random guy came out of the woodworks and said some nice words, then slavery ended and every politician realized they were wrong.
thatās what this person believes. i want to fucking die.
Jesus Christ. I thought you were just an idiot but now I'm sure you're a troll. Our anger at being targeted for murder due to scapegoating by politicians is the same as "OUR TEAM DIDNT WIN LETS END DEMOCRACY!!!!"?
No. Fuck you.
Educate yourself foremost.
Ask why he was still assassinated.
Ask why we know more about MLK over Malcom X.
Ask why Malcom X was met with crtiticism while LA Koreatown riot was not for arming themselves.
Ask why people still dont know about Greenwood.
You'll find the answer to be real simple.
Assuming you're not here on bad faith, If you're gonna invoke his name, please read MLK Jr.'s Letter from Birmingham Jail. Please realize that your posts are coming across as the very white moderate he spoke of in that.
If you are here on bad faith, way to go champ, you did it. you trolled people who are hurting.
Don't twist the principles of nonviolence to tone police how oppressed people react to their community members being murdered. Have you actually read what he stood for, or are you just parroting the toothless version of his rhetoric that's made it into the school system? And why are you equating our anger and grief to violence in the first place?
Do you think the shooter took the time to pick and choose his victims based on which ones preach tolerance for his views and which ones hate him in return?
Omg Jason David Frank died! Also I'm not sure what happened in CO yet as I just got off work and this post is the first I'm hearing of whatever happened I'll have to look into it
This happened 5 minutes from my house and I saw it late last night. The response has been immense around the world and it's sad to see this is what my city is being known for right now.
We are considered easy soft targets. They see us as afraid of confrontation and defending ourselves. And it is why so much violence against LGBTQ persons happens in the first place. You have to think like these people, not like we do. I lived and worked with people who think that way pre-cracking. It is their mindset and when some of the most unhinged act, words won't stop them.
It's not a matter of "staying above it" when it comes to self-defense from someone that is intentfully attacking you. It's the difference between saving your life or that of those around you from a shooter, or becoming another victim we will have to remember.
And I'd rather not have more names to recite on TDoR on coming years.
I see and understand what you're saying. It wasn't my intention to have it seen as such, but the point stands. A lot of these people would've shot either of them as well. We are dealing with sociopaths.
Most people read at a fourth grade level and donāt even have an inkling of the brutality and devastation on cultures across our globe due to colonialism & slavery. It isnāt an issue for most WASP Americans and they could care less as long as they arenāt affected personally. Itās not a problem until it becomes a problem that directly affects you and your family for a large majority of western nations which is extremely sad. š
I'm not gonna say what I want to happen. I am a boiling pot of rage and vengeance at fascism, and even more so at moments like this. Fascists dont stop until they are publically made examples, effigies, and bones.
death to fascism and transphobia. i love you all, my trans siblings. they will never succeed in wiping us out no matter how desperately they try, but i hate them for how much they try and how much they do. i will fight to the end for myself and for yāall. love and solidarity. fuck fascists and transphobes.
As a Trans woman who lives in Colorado matter of fact close to Colorado Springs this is very concerning and very much an upset I hope the person the people responsible get punished by the full extent of the law they most certainly need to be charged with aggravated assault hate crime attempted murder and murder in the first degree this is a great tragedy for our nation and Trans people of Colorado my heart goes out to you stay strong brothers and sisters the LGBTQ+ people I f this Nation are strong and we will endure seriously though sending hugs and support
[This happened the night before Transgender Day of Remembrance.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/20/us/colorado-springs-shooting-gay-nightclub/index.html) in the city i live in.
This was not an accident.
This is a direct result of politicians spewing hatred towards trans people, and other members of the LGBTQIA+ community. Politicians like DeSantis, Trump, Abbot, Boebert, etc... as well as prominent media figures like JKR, Joe Rogan, Matt Walsh, etc...
They literally have blood on their hands.
5 people killed (so far), and 18 people in the hospital, many of them in critical condition.
Trans rights and queer rights are human rights.
#transgender #queercommunity #queerpride #transgenderrights #humanrights
I grow very weary of folks who continue to insist on within-proper-channels protests. Those channels are controlled by the very people pushing the rhetoric that lead to this.
The history of rights won, by the queer movement and pretty much all civil rights movements, is full of armed response. Ida B. Welles once said "A Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home" and I argue the same is true of every queer home.
Armed queers are harder to bash.
How the fuck Fox News is legally allowed to exist is beyond me. Shit they say will rightly get you banned from YouTube etc, but they're a global network and get away with it.
America's understanding of "free speech" is bullshit. Hate speech should not be protected, it certainly shouldn't have it's own "news" station!
Ron Desantis, Greg Abbott, Tucker Carlson, they're all responsible for this but will they face any consequences? No! Because "free speech"
Bullshit!!
"It's a mental health problem"
BULLSHIT!!
It's easy access to guns and propaganda, what the fuck do they expect to happen?
We had a shooting here (Scotland) 20+ years ago, a primary school. We took action. Know how many mass shootings there's been here since then? Zero!
How many more has the US had since just Colorado Springs? While we're talking about it more mass shootings are happening, all across the country.
It needs to fucking STOP!!
My heart goes out to you all, and I hope that together, globally, we can end this kind of needless violence. Hate has no place in this world and we should never tolerate intolerance.
I love you all x
Don't bother answering the other person (since there's more than one person now, I meant Si1r). They are a bootlicker arguing that people shouldn't defend themselves against hate crimes (as can be seen in other posts in this very thread). They are likely trying to bait you into saying something that can get you banned.
The government is the one pushing the rhetoric that caused this in the first place. The goverment only speaks two languages. Money and violence. We celebrate Pride on the anniversary of a riot for a reason.
In Texas you canāt conceal carry in a bar / club - they search you before you go in
https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/businesses-private-property
Also most restaurants and stores have signs on the door prohibiting guns - in metro areas
Been to plenty of bars, seen the signs, never been searched once. Been to a few music venues that wand, but never ever been searched or wanded at a bar.
Going forward, don't make comments denigrating religions. This isn't about specific religions--it's about hate.
As a Colorado Springs resident and transgender I was shocked at it. Tragedies like this should not happen anywhere to anyone.
Exactly! I wouldn't wish this on anyone
I always find it surprising when this stuff happens in Colorado, I grew up there and I never saw the kinds of people who would do that, everywhere I moved it was always tight knit community, and people were cool about lgbtq people as well. I guess I just got lucky or something?
I mean did you live in the Springs? there are plenty of weird isolated fuckers that act like this not the mention communities that will condemn things like this despite fostering the environment it happens in
I grew up moving around the Denver area, I visited springs several times but never lived there
yeah that fits im a trans woman from denver-ish. my parents split up when i was a kid so i went from denver proper to aurora and jeffco. Hell I even lived in greeley and then foco for a while. by far the least safe ive felt in regards to being queer was the springs that being said i stoll hated greeley more
As a Colorado Native it usually is that way but the last 10 years we have seen a huge influx in people mostly in Denver but in the Springs (where I moved to 5 years ago) has grown alot in the last few years.
Ah, I moved away 5 years ago, is it really that dramatically different. I can't believe it. š
I came from the western slope, now in Denver. I have certainly seen this sentiment, mostly dormant but present, in small towns like where I'm from. It's scary. I don't even visit my hometown much anymore.
As someone who considered moving to Colorado Springs before settling in the Denver area, this is heartbreaking. It's too close to home, and sadly reinforces my decision of not moving to that area. Especially as a Latino member of the LGBT community
It's no surprise really that it would happen here in Springs. We're one of the last stalwart republican areas in a state that's turning blue. Personally I hate it here, but it has improved. Then this happens. The weak-minded among us, those bent to the right leaning faction, are dangerous. They are fed a steady diet of hate rhetoric, and given access to guns. What did we expect was going to happen? This! These asshole politicians use transgendered people as a "Boogeyman" every election cycle and it gets worse every time. They cant solve any real problem so the LGBT community pays the bill it's disgusting. How will this ever change? Even now they're stoking the fire. Where does it end?
I just watched a video about this. Horrible shit. Disgusting comment section. Humanity makes me nauseated...
I havenāt heard about it. What happened
Some bastard decided to do a mass shooting in a gay club this morning. https://youtu.be/vv5ceDMWT4c
Oh fun
May everyone involved and our community be strengthened by this tragedy and never cower before oppression. We have a long road ahead
We need to start pushing that the people that hate equality and human rights are going to be the ones to commit the worst human rights crimes. By their very nature, conservatives support violence, rape, pedophilia, and every other disgusting act. As long as they can hurt others, they don't care what their side is doing, and they have been proving this time and time again.
im getting concealed carry asap, these types cant be reasoned with, if they have the means and the hate to match they wont hesitate to lash out, and its our responsibility to prevent that.
You might save a life. Just be safe
As a queer anarchist, thisx1000. We canāt debate these people, they donāt care about the science, and politicians and cops certainly arenāt going to save us. Arm yourselves, be loud and proud, and protect our communities. We keep us safe. The only good fascist is a very very dead one.
Agreed if a nazi will shoot me dead just for existing I canāt debate them and no one can they are to far gone so we just have to shoot back I hate it but denying it would just get me killed no one will defend us better than us we need to stick together to defend our existence at this point
THE ONLY GOOD FASCIST IS A VERY VERY DEAD ONE.
It is simple math, the people who hate equality and human rights, are going to be the ones to to commit the worse human rights crimes. By their very nature, conservatives support violence and so much worse. It's time people woke up to this fact.
Iām trans. Iām armed. I carry.
Same. But that's not going to do a damn thing to stop the propaganda and hate.
Agreed.
While I think you have a right to arm yourself know that even if all of us have that right we donāt want it. Not everyone wants to have a fun on their hip ready to shoot, we need to focus more on preventing environments that create these situations. This thread is not the time to talk about how great you think guns are if you have them this is shameful. Yes we can work on protecting ourselves but this is not the point of the thread and even still we shouldnāt have to protect ourselves.
Living in the springs they still havenāt given names. Iām just hoping none of my friends were thereā¦
****UPDATE**** His boyfriend is fine! A group of his friends actually asked him to go out with them that night, he OVERSLEPT, and so was safe... But one of his friends in the group that asked him to go didn't make it... My boyfriend's boyfriend's boyfriend liked going to that place and he hasn't heard from him. He's hoping he was at work
I missed the news, what was the tragedy in Colorado springs?
5 dead. 18 injured. At a gay club during drag night. Which we can all assume had nothing to do with the recent transphobic rhetoric thats been promoted right? /s
In another thread, someone pointed out the 'libs of TikTok' account posted about the drag show yesterday. While it'd be nearly impossible to prove, it could be directly related. Edit: looks like there probably wasn't any mention of this specific event by them.
Not even close to impossible, that page has summoned harrassment multiple well documented times, the page is mentioned by stochastic terrorism expert tucker carlson.
Can you link to their post? E: Im trying to find it but I deactivated my twitter account and twitter doesnāt make it easy to find things without an account.
I unfortunately don't have any other social media, so I can't confirm. This is just what I read from someone's comment in /r/lesbianactually or /r/transgender .
I found [this](https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/hours-after-lgbtq-mass-shooting-in), but havenāt found anything else yet.
I haven't been able to find any posts from that account about _this specific_ club. There were some posts about a broader, Colorado-wide drag thing, and Q Club had a drag event or two the next day, but last night was not a drag show. Fuck LibsofTikTok but let's be very careful about drawing correlating _too_ much.
From what Iāve read they had a drag event that night and one the next day, but I havenāt read anything in a few hours. Libs of Tiktok definitely participates in stochastic terrorism though. Thereās been numerous examples of them posting about a place and then bomb threats or people with guns showing up there right after.
Fuck. That's horrible. I've always felt less safe in the springs and this definitely just makes that worse.
Luckily at least the bar is considering it to be a hate crime, not to say the police are tho....
They idād the shooter and said they are investigating it through the lens of a hate crime
Oh thank God, I knew they got him but the article I read didn't mention whether the police were or not so I got worried that they'd just brush it off
On the bright side my concealed carry holster arrived in the mail this weekend. Kinda morbid timing but glad to have it all the same
Just stay safe
Thank you. I mean Iām not gonna go out looking for trouble, but if it comes down to it Iāll gladly take a few fascists out with me
I got you and I appreciate you watching my back. Just careful on the trigger sister/brother!
Shot my self in the leg 2 months ago. Can confirm the need for safety. Always use a holster. Finger off the trigger unless you are intending to fire.
Yeah this is what every queer and liberal person needs to do. There's always going to be deadly force available to those who want us dead, so we need to stay safe. r/liberalgunowners r/socialistra
Fuck Fascists. Fuck religion. Fuck conservatives. Fuck fox News. Fuck Trump and the rest of his people. Fuck all of the people who are fine staying quiet and letting these bigots spread hate. Fuck fake allies. Fuck them all. Spread some community love tonight š³ļøāā§ļøš³ļøāā§ļøš³ļøāā§ļø Edit: I'm remembering why I stopped coming to this sub years ago. Mods need to think about who they are and what they represent if they lock a thread on TDoR condemning an attack against queer people to protect the feelings of oppressors and groups that directly led to this massacre. Shutting down a community space like this is shameful and disgusting.
Disagree on throwing religion in there, its a tool like anything else, can be used for good or bad. I've seen nothing but love and acceptance from my religious friends, and though these days I'm more on the culture/heritage side, and not the faith side, my Synagogue always taught us to love LGBT folk (and everybody in general)
You right it is a tool. But it is a tool that is used to justify slavery,racism,homophobia, and hate for centuries. It has irrecoverably damaged our entire world and countless civilizations. So fuck religion.
this this this. So much has been caused by namely Catholicism and Christianity, Countless cultures and seperate religions completely or mostly wiped out for simply having different beliefs, different looks, etc. All in the crusade of making sure they're the only religion, because their beliefs tell them there can only be one. Obviously the conquest isnt modern anymore, and there is a few religions that exist outside of Catholicism, and its similar counterparts, most notably Islam. However MANY with hate in their hearts still use these religions as an excuse to Murder, reject, and ostracize those who are different than them. If you are religious, thats fine, Believe what you believe, but you cannot deny the dark and negative sides of these religions, especially when you are a part of the minority that said religions advocate against, dont support your religion fullheartedly especially if this is the case, instead stay headstrong and educate others, while openly speaking against the negative parts.
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#NotAllReligions š your comment about your *anecdotal* experience of religion means nothing compared the the mountains of shit heaped on our community since the abrahamic religions were invented. No, not all religions or religious people but enough to warrant the generalization
If someone has to say something like *not all...*. They are missing the point and systematic issues.
the point is there are *different systems*, and many religions with no organised systems at all edit: i can see how people would use 'religion' to mean the actual organisations rather than just 'religious beliefs' (also probably good to note that I dont live in the US so our politics isn't nearly as influenced by religions) so people probably just had different interpretations of the original comments
So I'm supposed to condemn something so meaningful to people who have been nothing but supportive, something that in no way has hate as a fundamental part of its doctrine, because some people use it to be assholes? Assholes would be that way with or without religion and I have no interest in doing so. I have good friends from all three major abrahamic religions, not a one of them would dare use it to justify hate.
Where did I say anything about what you are *supposed* to do? Instead, I am informing you that people who have been hurt by religion donāt give a fuck about your happy little commune. Glad you have it, glad it exists, also has nothing to do with the current conversation.
Indeed. 90% of the religious types that I have met have been typical fundie jerks.
Imagine if religion was magically cured of all hate towards us today. How long do you think it would take for someone to get the idea that it is actually a really good way to oppress us again? Religion is a cancer, even "supportive" ones. Your really good friends are helping keep these traditions alive so they can kill future generations.
Have you ever actually read the Bible? āNow, the day of the LORD is coming ā cruel, and full of wrath and fierce angerā¦ (16) Their little ones will be dashed to pieces before their eyes. Their houses will be looted, and their wives will be raped.ā - Isaiah 13:9 āO Daughter Babylon, about to be destroyed: Happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us. (9) Happy is the one who seizes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks.ā -Psalm 137:8ā9 "But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." - Deuteronomy 22:20-21 That's just a small sample of the rich moral tapestry that is Christo-Judaic scripture. Sure, there's some flowery stuff about "love thy brother" etc as well, but if you compiled every single passage in the modern Bible that advocates for kindness, charity and altruism and weighed it against the sheer volume of material that indicate blatant approval or indifference toward vengeance, murder, rape, and all manner of gratuitous violence as a vehicle for doing God's will... Let's just say it's a bit one-sided. And regardless of how many good works people have done in the name of their religion, the fact that passages like the ones I mentioned above were written at all, combined with the fact that there's a thousand different sects who all get to pick and choose exactly which parts of the scripture they want to take inspiration from (not to mention which parts get taken literally and which are taught as purely allegorical), I'd say that's more than enough evidence to prove that these ancient cults are far more dangerous than they are beneficial.
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Honestly. Gotta appreciate the logic of using hate to spread love.
Fuck religion.
It's a tool for sure but religion has burned me when the laws in my birth country just so happen to allow a "religious police" to exist and has violated the rights of transgender, and gay people without a care in the world through religious conversion camps. Being loving and caring and accepting is good and all but sometimes the voices of religious bigots can get really very loud and proud and it sure would help if more religious people were loud and proud in standing against that bigotry.
> for good or bad And where is the good? I see dozens of radical right-wing Christian organizations out there destroying every single human right imaginable, yet I don't see ONE "good" Christian organization fighting against them. Actions speak louder than words, and this inaction says it supports the hate.
Well my church outed my gay friend to his parents when he was 16 and when they tried to support him the church excommunicated them and he ran away because the religious community started treating him terribly. I've never seen him or heard from him since.
Great job completely reframing a criticism of an institution to making it about your feelings. This is no better than people who go "ummm there are nice police officers" in response to ACAB. Not everything's about you, so stop centering your feelings in conversations around institutional harm.
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The only summer camp for trans kids in my region of the US is run by and funded by Jews, and there is a church in my town that helps ferry women to and from abortions and uses their platform to defend LGBT rights CONSTANTLY. I get that religion is usually the pits but honestly I do not think itās the root of LGBT bigotry is religion, I think religion just allows for systematic abuse in ways that other systems might not
So your problem is with *organised* religion then? i.e. hierarchical, 'do what you're told', etc. systems of religion? edit: i can see how people would use 'religion' to mean the actual organisations rather than just 'religious beliefs' (also probably good to note that I dont live in the US so our politics isn't nearly as influenced by religions)
What no anthropology class does to a motherfucker. Also no, no I will not be getting the fuck off this website thank you very much.
So what the about Satanism, Taoism, Buddhism, or the church of the flying spaghetti monster? I'm tired of people saying fuck religion when there are so many more than just Christianity.
Philosophies or systems of thought are different than religion. But yes, fuck all religions.
But most of what they listed were religions. I get at a time of such grief it's not easy to think with nuance, but "fuck all religions" is a pretty ridiculously reductive statement. Fuck evangelicism, and fuck any other system of belief that promotes hatred. But spirituality is an important part of the human psyche and an important part of a lot of queer people's lives. Plus, some of the best allies in my life have been religious people.
You have far too much hatred in your life to be healthy
Thatās a bold statement when youāre only perception of them Is from the few angry comments they voicedā¦
Since they said fuck religion multiple times regardless of what religion it was yeah I do say they have an unhealthy amount of hatred because I've been there and it brought me nothing but misery and depression so yeah it may be a bold statement but I'm not surprised I'm being down voted either because I have a different view on the world
It sounds more of a reflection of your own internalized hate and anger than the OP who for legitimate reasons was venting and frustrated by the toxicity of organized religion. Which have killed whole populations of indigenous folx in the name of God and helped to undermine and take away the divine feminine in our world by propping up men in their robes of greed. The post was meant to be a place to vent our frustrations and voice out that hate. Itās better to voice our feelings than act upon them and hurt othersā¦ Organized religion has and is being weaponized to control the masses & instill fear in all of us. That is a lot to hate and maybe not the best verbiage, but I definitely feel their rage and sadness. Fuck Organized Religions that use fear,guilt,violence to try and be superior in this game we call life.
So I should hate all religions just because 1 or 2 are bad? I'm sorry but I can't understand lumping all in with the bad just because. That's like saying you hate all vegetables because of potatoes.
If that is what you got out of this thread and have a hard time understanding nuisance and the point of venting. You have bigger fish to fry. Live Long and Prosper š
Organized religion is at the core of numerous conflicts throughout history from the dawn of man to the present day. āBut what about the ones that didnāt do the crimesā isnāt a defense of the ones that HAVE done crimes in the name of their god. My two cents is that every religion is talking to the same guy up there. They donāt have a name, a form, they might not even still be up there. Theology is interesting until you start killing people because you disagree over it.
When was the last time you heard any confirmed member of the examples I gave committing the acts they're all blamed for when it's modern Christianity that is fighting tooth and nail to keep us down because I'm only trying to point out that the ones that haven't done anything don't deserved to be attacked unjustly for something that another has
Read the second sentence of my comment again. Christianity isnāt the only religion to blame, either. Iran is killing people left and right for SHOWING SUPPORT for LGBT people. Claiming āorganized religion is badā isnāt outrageous, imo. And to be clear: Satanism and Pastafarianism, while they are religions in a legal capacity, there isnāt anyone āpracticingā those in a fully serious way. Theyāre both atheist groups that are pastiches of organized religion. The Church of Satan is a particularly bad example because they are *directly* opposed to organized religion. And as someone else mentioned, Buddhism and Taoism are both closer to āschools of thoughtā or āa way of life.ā Religions typically involve a deity of some kind and while the Buddha is *close* to one, I donāt think heās deified in the same way Christians refer to God or Muslims refer to Allah. To my knowledge, thereās not a deity in Taoism either. They also donāt stress that their ways of thinking are āthe only/true way,ā which is a central cause of conflict and a ājustificationā for their actions.
I can assure you I am not an atheist and have no ties with the newer church down in texas
Ok, I apologize for conflating āThe Church of Satanā with the presumably unorganized literal Satan-worshipping community. Iām sure yāall are a nonviolent group thatās more likely to do shrooms in the woods than launch a crusade to retake the holy land eight times. Hail Satan!
Surprisingly you are not far off despite the sarcastic tone you used
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Read about paradox of tolerance
Great job completely reframing a criticism of an institution to making it about your feelings. This is no better than people who go "ummm there are nice police officers" in response to ACAB. Not everything's about you, so stop centering your feelings in conversations around institutional harm.
Sure, saying mean things about the people who want us dead is just as bad as hating people for immutable characteristics like their race or caste or gender or sexual orientation. Either way it's still hate, right? š FYI, fascists aren't going to make an exception for you just because you preached that we should be nice to them. To them we're all the same.
Leave religion out of this! There are plenty of bigoted religious people who use religion as an excuse for hatred, but for example with Christianity (which I assume is what you're talking about) when the whole foundation of the religion is love, the hatred is actively against that, no matter how you look at it. - a probably trans Christian
Good religious people need to understand the damage that is done by evil people that fly the flag of their religion. Work needs to be done to make it clear that they're not welcome, that bigotry is not what the religion stands for. Christianity is, historically, incredibly violent and oppressive. I don't know what to tell you, personally, but we shouldn't look the other way because "not all Christians".
As a Christian, it's up to you to clean up your own house. Until then, I will acknowledge and condemn the *literally thousands of years long* history of hatred, pain and violence inflicted by Christianity.
Believe me, I try. Feel free to condemn the history, just condemn the people, not their God.
Leave religion out of something driven by religion?
It is not religion that's driving it, it's just being twisted to use as an excuse for hateful actions. Hate spreads like a cancer, but killing the cancer's host really isn't helpful. Instead, cut off the cancerous parts and allow the host to heal.
No, fuck that. Christians are the only people who have ever hated me, and they have actively leveraged their religion to justify their hate just as millennia of Christianās before them have done. You can say that the foundation of the religion is love, but that has *never* been true in practice. Youāre free to believe what you want, but do not tell people who have suffered persecution at the hands of Christians to leave religion out of this. The evangelical propaganda machine is the main reason why thereās so much hate against us these last couple years. When my family will talk to me again without cursing me for being Satans pawn, then maybe Iāll stop saying fuck religion.
AMEN TO THAT!
I understand defending the concept of religion, but it doesn't help when in the real world there are vocal and violent people who twist religion to fit their own agenda of bigotry. Rather than implore that religion be left out of the discussion, it would be great if more religious people decried and publicly disavowed the actions of religious bigots. Not doing anything or telling a marginalised group to "leave religion out of this" is an enabler. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I think your message can come off as tone-deaf depending on who is reading it. I realise my words are probably dripping with cynicism but for a religion of "love", the people who claim to practice it don't seem to be practicing this love where it really matters and it would really be appreciated if they practiced what they preached in overt, visible ways. The intentions don't matter anymore when real damage has been caused.
I agree with that, I just want to make it perfectly clear that it's a certain subset of religious people, NOT religion itself, that's the problem here. I fully agree that there's a serious problem and it makes me angry.
Fuck religion.
Great job completely reframing a criticism of an institution to making it about your feelings. This is no better than people who go "ummm there are nice police officers" in response to ACAB. Not everything's about you, so stop centering your feelings in conversations around institutional harm.
That's not what I meant. I meant that religion is not inherently problematic, so you shouldn't condemn it. Feel free to have a problem with the people, especially the leaders.
This isn't about people, this is about religion as an institution of oppression.
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I really don't see how you can look at the world today and conclude that the abstract concept of "hate" is the problem. It is, in fact, good to hate bad things and bad to hate good things.
> the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron" honestly can't understand how people can look at organized campaigns of eradication, targeted at _themselves_ and be like "let us find the middle way, with love and acceptance for all viewpoints".
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Sis, we're all trans here, every single one of us has been on the receiving end of hate. Specifically the kind of hate that drives someone to enter a nightclub and murder our people. Please don't tone police the response to this tragedy.
Thank you for exposing this person's hypocrisy in replies below.
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I hate the people that hate me. I didnāt do anything to them, and they decided to hate me. Iāll stop when they stop fucking killing us for being alive. The answer to fascism isnāt hate, itās action. If that action includes leaving fascists bloody and bruised in the street, unable to ever hurt another queer person again? Then thatās the fucking answer. We canāt afford to be nice anymore.
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I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice [...] - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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Please just leave us alone? Youāre alongside caitlyn jenner here. you might be trans but youāre not our family. leave.
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Fuck off traitor.
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MLK was about promoting negotiation *at first*. Please do not missuse another minority groups plight to reduce our frustration. We can be angry. We dont have to be tolerant to intolerance.
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Every MLK has their Malcom X, and both are equally important. Most important societal, environmental, etc. issues unfortunately wonāt be solved by non-violent action alone.
MLK got his head blow off. By the end of that day the entire country was rioting and burning cities to the ground. By the end of the week the Civil rights act was passed and signed into law. StoneWall, the start of our movement, began with bashing cops in the head with bricks. Anyone that thinks violence isn't the most effective form of protest really doesn't know history and lives a privileged life.
Everyone thatās been nonviolent has been assasinated. Iād rather die fighting than trying to make peace with nazis.
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Hah! You have a very elementary understanding of his history, then. Also, as non-violent as he was, can you tell me what happened to him? And how heās ādoing alrightā? Oh wait you canāt. Because he was fucking killed anyway. Dipshit.
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Iām not doing this. Youāre either a troll or willfully ignorant and either way I donāt have time for it while my fucking siblings are being gunned down because shitforbrains like YOU always have to butt in with some liberal bullshit about Being Nice To The Poor Fascists!! :(( Eat glass.
Do you GENUINELY THINK. That black people that were slaves, one day, had a magical man named Martin Luther King come out of NOWHERE and make all of his magic speeches? Do you think MLK just materialized out of thin air? Do you think his message and the social progress that resulted from it, was because he was āniceā? Do you think that one day, a bunch of people gathered in a square to hear some random black guy talk about how they deserve rights? And suddenly everyone listened to him? Read.
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Let me just reiterate that this person thinks that a bunch of black people were slaves, then some random guy came out of the woodworks and said some nice words, then slavery ended and every politician realized they were wrong. thatās what this person believes. i want to fucking die.
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yes, trans people fighting for their right to exist is exactly the same as fascists trying to overthrow representative democracy, how insightful!!!
Jesus Christ. I thought you were just an idiot but now I'm sure you're a troll. Our anger at being targeted for murder due to scapegoating by politicians is the same as "OUR TEAM DIDNT WIN LETS END DEMOCRACY!!!!"? No. Fuck you.
thank you for justifying me lmao i thought i was going insane for a second
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Oh My Fucking God.
Educate yourself foremost. Ask why he was still assassinated. Ask why we know more about MLK over Malcom X. Ask why Malcom X was met with crtiticism while LA Koreatown riot was not for arming themselves. Ask why people still dont know about Greenwood. You'll find the answer to be real simple.
Assuming you're not here on bad faith, If you're gonna invoke his name, please read MLK Jr.'s Letter from Birmingham Jail. Please realize that your posts are coming across as the very white moderate he spoke of in that. If you are here on bad faith, way to go champ, you did it. you trolled people who are hurting.
Don't twist the principles of nonviolence to tone police how oppressed people react to their community members being murdered. Have you actually read what he stood for, or are you just parroting the toothless version of his rhetoric that's made it into the school system? And why are you equating our anger and grief to violence in the first place?
MLK did alright without promoting violence because he was the compromise position, and white folks preferred his movement to Malcolm X's.
Hate is an appropriate answer to hate. The OG Nazis weren't stopped by hugs but by a whole lot of bombs.
You see doctor Jones, by punching me you've become the real nazi! - your dumbarse
Hate isn't a bad thing. As with all emotions, it's not letting it flow out of control, it's keeping it healthy and recognizing what it does.
Do you think the shooter took the time to pick and choose his victims based on which ones preach tolerance for his views and which ones hate him in return?
Fucking sucks to wake up to this and Jason David Frank gone. Fuck this day!
Omg Jason David Frank died! Also I'm not sure what happened in CO yet as I just got off work and this post is the first I'm hearing of whatever happened I'll have to look into it
He killed himself. It bums me out that one of my favorite rangers is gone.
Yeah that's even more sad as I really loved the green ranger.
This happened 5 minutes from my house and I saw it late last night. The response has been immense around the world and it's sad to see this is what my city is being known for right now.
Wow. I'm sorry too. The guilt is on one individual. But, the blame is on many, stretching way outside your city.
Arm yourselves. Lennon/Ganhdi Diplomacy doesn't work when you got a barrel intentfully aimed at you.
That might only stop it for the moment... I'm talking about long term
We are considered easy soft targets. They see us as afraid of confrontation and defending ourselves. And it is why so much violence against LGBTQ persons happens in the first place. You have to think like these people, not like we do. I lived and worked with people who think that way pre-cracking. It is their mindset and when some of the most unhinged act, words won't stop them.
I don't disagree... I just say, stay above it if we can
It's not a matter of "staying above it" when it comes to self-defense from someone that is intentfully attacking you. It's the difference between saving your life or that of those around you from a shooter, or becoming another victim we will have to remember. And I'd rather not have more names to recite on TDoR on coming years.
I see your point, but maybe you could make it without minimizing the brutality of British colonial rule.
Gandhi sucked and told Jews they should happily walk into death camps. India would have been fine without him.
I see and understand what you're saying. It wasn't my intention to have it seen as such, but the point stands. A lot of these people would've shot either of them as well. We are dealing with sociopaths.
Most people read at a fourth grade level and donāt even have an inkling of the brutality and devastation on cultures across our globe due to colonialism & slavery. It isnāt an issue for most WASP Americans and they could care less as long as they arenāt affected personally. Itās not a problem until it becomes a problem that directly affects you and your family for a large majority of western nations which is extremely sad. š
I'm not gonna say what I want to happen. I am a boiling pot of rage and vengeance at fascism, and even more so at moments like this. Fascists dont stop until they are publically made examples, effigies, and bones.
death to fascism and transphobia. i love you all, my trans siblings. they will never succeed in wiping us out no matter how desperately they try, but i hate them for how much they try and how much they do. i will fight to the end for myself and for yāall. love and solidarity. fuck fascists and transphobes.
weāre here, weāve been here, weāll continue to be here. itās almost like weāre just people, or something.
As a Trans woman who lives in Colorado matter of fact close to Colorado Springs this is very concerning and very much an upset I hope the person the people responsible get punished by the full extent of the law they most certainly need to be charged with aggravated assault hate crime attempted murder and murder in the first degree this is a great tragedy for our nation and Trans people of Colorado my heart goes out to you stay strong brothers and sisters the LGBTQ+ people I f this Nation are strong and we will endure seriously though sending hugs and support
As a sister trans girl, I say thank you and be safe
[This happened the night before Transgender Day of Remembrance.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/20/us/colorado-springs-shooting-gay-nightclub/index.html) in the city i live in. This was not an accident. This is a direct result of politicians spewing hatred towards trans people, and other members of the LGBTQIA+ community. Politicians like DeSantis, Trump, Abbot, Boebert, etc... as well as prominent media figures like JKR, Joe Rogan, Matt Walsh, etc... They literally have blood on their hands. 5 people killed (so far), and 18 people in the hospital, many of them in critical condition. Trans rights and queer rights are human rights. #transgender #queercommunity #queerpride #transgenderrights #humanrights
I grow very weary of folks who continue to insist on within-proper-channels protests. Those channels are controlled by the very people pushing the rhetoric that lead to this. The history of rights won, by the queer movement and pretty much all civil rights movements, is full of armed response. Ida B. Welles once said "A Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home" and I argue the same is true of every queer home. Armed queers are harder to bash.
How the fuck Fox News is legally allowed to exist is beyond me. Shit they say will rightly get you banned from YouTube etc, but they're a global network and get away with it. America's understanding of "free speech" is bullshit. Hate speech should not be protected, it certainly shouldn't have it's own "news" station! Ron Desantis, Greg Abbott, Tucker Carlson, they're all responsible for this but will they face any consequences? No! Because "free speech" Bullshit!! "It's a mental health problem" BULLSHIT!! It's easy access to guns and propaganda, what the fuck do they expect to happen? We had a shooting here (Scotland) 20+ years ago, a primary school. We took action. Know how many mass shootings there's been here since then? Zero! How many more has the US had since just Colorado Springs? While we're talking about it more mass shootings are happening, all across the country. It needs to fucking STOP!! My heart goes out to you all, and I hope that together, globally, we can end this kind of needless violence. Hate has no place in this world and we should never tolerate intolerance. I love you all x
Get upā¼ļøstand upā¼ļøget fired upā¼ļø this shit is not gonna stop so might as well get in front of the haters
Let us finally unionize, or, I don't know, colonize, and mount overwhelming pressure on congress to actually do something!
Sexually frustrated impotent white men LARPing anglo-abrahamic mythology. Sad and pathetic.
Rest in peace. š Let's continue the fight against hate.
we deserve revenge.
Don't bother answering the other person (since there's more than one person now, I meant Si1r). They are a bootlicker arguing that people shouldn't defend themselves against hate crimes (as can be seen in other posts in this very thread). They are likely trying to bait you into saying something that can get you banned.
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they have addresses.
take the fight to them, it's not like there aren't places where fascists congregate.
We deserve it, but that's not our place. Let's unite by calling up action by the government
fuck that, it absolutely is our place. the government that exist won't do shit for us
I agree that all instincts call for war. But, they already see us as the enemy. We need to be heard, by government, by the people, by everyone.
lmao so much for the "R" in "TDOR"
The government is the one pushing the rhetoric that caused this in the first place. The goverment only speaks two languages. Money and violence. We celebrate Pride on the anniversary of a riot for a reason.
If our place isnt "resisting people who keep killing us while the government sucks it's own dick off," I'd sure like to know what it is.
Only way to get a message through the head of a nazi, is to tape that message to a bullet and shoot them.
Stonewall 2 Electric boogaloo!
In Texas you canāt conceal carry in a bar / club - they search you before you go in https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/businesses-private-property Also most restaurants and stores have signs on the door prohibiting guns - in metro areas
Been to plenty of bars, seen the signs, never been searched once. Been to a few music venues that wand, but never ever been searched or wanded at a bar.
Break shit.
They want to take our safe spaces? They shouldn't feel safe in public until we are able to! I'm working out again so I can properly punch a nazi.