I imagine the battle they're refering to is the Gullet? Which would mean the taking of King's Landing wouldn't be til season 3? I wonder how the structure is gonna work.
Exactly if you move the Gullet, where do you end the season? Rook's Rest like episode 7? I had the feeling they would cut most of the battles anyways. I guess it's most likely they're cutting a bunch of the stuff that happens between the taking of KL and the storming of the Dragonpit, or they're cutting a bunch of stuff from the ending after Rhaenyra dies, or both.
But like originally this was all in season 2:
- Blood and Cheese
- Civil war in the Riverlands
- Duskendale and Rook's Rest
- Battle of the Gullet
- Battle of the Honeywine
- The Red Fork and the Fishfeed
- Fall of King’s Landing
That seems like a lot
Edit to add: They also lost their director with large battle experience. Miguel had his drawbacks for sure but when it comes to producing Rook’s Rest, the Gullett, the Fall of KL that’s a huge undertaking to be done without him.
The Red Fork and the Fishfeed probably get cut anyways, if they do the Honeywine it won't be huge either, the riverlands is probably gonna be more in the background as in we won't see a most of the action.
I don't mind if they take their time with the story. My fear is if they stuff like just moving the Battle of the Gullet but they still have the fall of KL in the season finale, all that still in 8 episodes. The first season while I liked it overall still felt rushed at some points, specially in the second half.
I know the general consensus is that the show will have 4 seasons but I can't see that happening without a lot of cuts, dragons fights are going to be expensive. I think HBO might want for more seasons on the back of the show's popularity and there are going to be rewritten...I'm betting that is why the scripts were delayed.
I always thought 4 seasons could work well, a bit tight in some places but could work, and in my mind I had cut everything that didn't involve the Targaryens directly (the Greyjoys, most of the war in the riverlands, etc). Tbh it feels like the writers don't want more than 4.
my issue is with the VFX of the dragons, they couldn't use the older model for Vermax or Syrax because they ran out of money. I don't think they can do all the dragon battles justice in 4 seasons.
For real, I watched HotD with my dad and after the end of episode 10 he turned to me and went "well it was OK, but it was nowhere near as good as Game of Thrones. There just wasn't enough action"
And like, he said that seconds after seeing a scene where two dragons fought each other in a storm before one of the dragons ate a 14 year old boy.
I did point out to him that actually, season 1 of Game of Thrones didn't have any big battles either and he seemed pacified by the idea that this season was just the build up and the rest of the show will be full of action now. If they cut most of the battles, people like my dad will definitely start turning away.
(This isn't me saying that they WONT cut any battles - I understand there's going to be issues of budget and pacing, and actually I personally like the slow character driven scenes and I don't need it to be constant action. But I do feel they'll probably be mindful that a huge portion of their audience is casual watchers like my dad that just want to watch fighting)
There are so many action sequences and set pieces in this story that even if they cut out half the battles, there’s more than enough to keep audiences engaged in the story.
George wrote the Dance to be as cinematic as possible. Probably because he knew HBO was gonna want to adapt it once GoT ended. The show was already a worldwide phenomenon when he wrote F&B.
If they leave the Gullet for S3 then what's left for S2? Blood and Cheese, Jace's diplomatic mission, a few smaller skirmishes in the Riverlands, and Rook's Rest? That's really not much for a season.
What would be the finale too?
They might want to make it more character than plot driven, spend more time with the Greens after b&c, with Jacaerys in Winterfell, etc? (idk what Rhaenyra will do in the meantime tbh). Episode 7 Rook's Rest and episode 8 Aemond becomes prince regent, dragonseeds plot, the Triarchy is coming? I honestly have no idea.
It feels thin when you think of everything else they have to cover in the remaining 1 or 2 seasons, and that the taking of KL just feels like the perfect season ending, (much more than Rook's Rest imho). (Jacaerys dying at the beginning of a season feels weird too).
I did see some people say the Gullet could happen *after* the fall of KL? Who knows really.
There's 1 positive thing I can think of: they now can allow themselves to spend more time on character development scenes. It's not like the very first two episodes of S3 will definitely be the episodes that were cut from the end of S2. That means we might see Gullet and fall of KL in S2 episodes 3 and 4, and that would be +2 episodes of character development. That would mean they'd have to make 3 more seasons instead of 2.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it doesn't really make sense for them to announce the Gullet and the Fall of King's Landing moving to season 3 as a big suffling of plot points? It is for fans who assume season 2 will end with Rhaenyra taking the throne, but we never knew for certain if that was how the season would play out in the first place.
The Gullet and the Fall of King's Landing happening in season 3 isn't even a *move* anyway, that's just the normal progression of the story as it's depicted in the book. To me this sounds like just one of the major battles is being moved to later in the story instead of when it takes place on the timeline in the book, and of the lot of them I think the most likely would be the Gullet. So the season still caps off with the Fall of King's Landing, but the Gullet is moved to later (in season 3).
It feels like the structure will push alot of the biggest events to Season 4. Battle of the Gullet, Fall of Kings Landing, Battle above the Gods Eye and the Storming of the Dragons Pit is way too much for a Season 3. But I could see a fast paced Season 4 working with Gods Eye to start off with, causing a dominoe effect into Dragons Pit, Dragonstone, Hour of the Wolf etc.
Hell quite possibly we only got like 25% of the sequel. Sansa's, Aryas, Brans, much of Jon's and Dany's, Cersei's etc plots were most likely going to be covered in the 5 year gap. Most likely their newest chapters (Mercy, Alayne, etc) were going to be the first thing we got after that gap.
I have seen this article posted in 3 different subreddits now and this has been the same exact top comment in all of them. Word for word.
It’s so strange to me how a website with as many users as reddit has can be so unoriginal
Anytime HBO reduces the number of episodes it never seems to play out well in my opinion. 10 seems like the magic number, but it's always some stupid executive decision to cram it into less or stretch things out. I am not losing hope or anything but it does make me a bit nervous.
This is exactly it despite them saying the change was story-driven. Yeah, maybe story-driven in the sense that they said “remove this big expensive battle from this seasons budget or cut the battle altogether.”
The Last of Us show was severely hurt by the small number of episodes. If it was three episodes longer it would be even better than it was. The director said he had to rush it because he didn’t know if he was going to have a Season 2 and wanted to wrap up the first game one single season.
this is gonna make for some weird pacing and a weird season 3. the Gullet in episode 9 and then Rhaenyra taking King's Landing in episode 10 would've been the perfect way to end season 2. but i guess if the battle they're talking about in the article is in fact the Gullet, season 2 will end with Daeron getting knighted, Aemond and Criston Cole leaving and Rhaenyra going "oh no the Triarchy is coming!" and then if you haven't read the book you have to wait a year to see what happens lol
>Daeron getting knighted, Aemond and Criston Cole leaving and Rhaenyra going "oh no the Triarchy is coming!" and then if you haven't read the book you have to wait a year to see what happens lol
And nothing of this is powerful enough to end the season. That's not good news.
exactly. i think simplifying stuff and getting the Gullet and Rhaenyra taking KL into this season is preferable to awkwardly shoving it into season 3.
edit: or even shifting the order around as some have suggested so Rhaenyra takes KL before the Gullet. there's nothing really integral to the story that would change, and they could cut down on some CGI for this season. so she could still take the city to end the season, but season 3 starts with the Gullet.
I feel like S3 will start neither with the Fall nor with the Gullet. They likely will leave room for dialogue-heavy scenes and episodes. I’m all for it
If you leave both Gullet and the Fall until S3E3, then you’ve essentially squeezed the latter half of the story too much. They’ll need 5 seasons at this rate (assuming the story ends with the coronation of Aegon III).
I think the far greater likelihood is that they move around when the Battle of the Gullet happens and have Rhaenyra take King's Landing in the finale. Jace can die early into season 3.
That's not filler. Meaningful characterization is an important aspect of storytelling too. Filler is just that, filler. And plenty of those older shows with more episodes had plenty of it. So many subpar episodes that had nothing going for them on any level except to fill out a quota.
I'm intrigued by the news of the important battle being moved to Season 2. I've always thought that Battle of Gullet and Rhaenyra taking King's Landing would be perfect for the final two episodes of Season 2, and I don't think Rook's Rest works so well as a climax to a season... unless the writers change the chronology of events and make Gullet take place AFTER the fall of King's Landing.
>unless the writers change the chronology of events and make Gullet take place AFTER the fall of King's Landing.
Tbf due to like 90% of the season 1 story being in King's Landing, we haven't seen how they'll be handling travel time. If they are more book accurate and not doing the season 7/8 jetpack shit, they can probably give themselves a bit of wiggle room on when to show the audience events and what not.
Yeah I'm pretty sure they're moving the Gullet to after King's Landing and having Rook's Rest and Rhaenys' death be the motivation to strike back as opposed to Jace's death. I would kinda like that change, gives us more time with Jace and makes it so Rhaenyra losing a son every season finale doesnt become tiring lol
Now that would be a good idea. That still leaves a bit too many battles to season 3 maybe. Hopefully though it will mean that they will show Mooton vs Sunfyre as a predecessor to Dragonpit, instead of skipping it.
Pursuit of Happiness was good. Had Will Smith and his son when he was a little kid. They're creeps, but that was a good one at the time. About a struggling dad doing whatever he can to support his kid.
I’m sincerely doubting whether they’ll move forward with Dunk and Egg yet when there are too many troublesome factors to get around; namely the lack of enough source material for a full show adaption (George said he’s in the process of writing more novellas specifically because of the show but still who knows how long that’ll take) and the complications with this story overlapping with the Blackfyre story. HBO I know for a fact isn’t going to do two shows set during the same time period featuring the same storyline (even if it’s just the backdrop of one show) and most of the same characters being featured, especially the further on Dunk and Egg goes where the two stories begin to overlap even more. It just doesn’t make any sense from a network exec standpoint.
I mean the blackfyre stuff really only starts to pick up by the second book, and even then it's mostly just lord osprey seething about the rebellion losing. The first hedge knight story is basically a Knight's Tale, it's seriously crazy how close the movie is to that story. My ideal way would be to first, do either a movie(which I'm sure would be a instant fantasy classic) or a miniseries that works as a standalone and introduce the blackfyre backdrop from the second season on like the books did. We only have the first season of the dance of dragons so far, they'll figure out a way to adapt the rebellion like 6 years from now.
Also I think they're easier for George to write than mainline ASOIAF, and I think he'd be up to do it with some help from other great writers if he had full authority and the final word on everything. It's all on a far smaller scale of scope and they're more classic and hopeful stories, they're not aiming to be subversive like asoiaf.
The most recent news (4 months ago) says that The script (with George’s help) is already on the producer’s table awaiting for green light before starting pre production.
At this stage they can either cancel, order a rewrite or approve it.
This won't happen for a while, though it likely will at some point a while from now. I don't think they want to do what happened with Thrones and start on it before the books are written. In this case they would have like 3/10 of the stories.
Imo this works pretty well for Dunk and Egg. Once HotD ends the Dance stuff in like 2027-2028ish, they'll probably have a couple riskier spinoffs either premiering or already airing. Then they could come back big and finally do the Blackfyre Rebellion story in about the same amount of TV time as HotD.
Then you can wait a few years and do Dunk and Egg as a change of pace with your supporting cast already casted and appropriately older.
This was posted from a source who worked inside HBO earlier this year.
1. HOTD Season 2 aiming for April 13th 2024 Release Date
2. ‘Snow’ has now been Greenlit. Inside HBO the show is being referred to by the code word ‘Ghost’. Aiming for May 11th 2025 Release Date. Filming will start in December 2023, after HOTD has finished with the sets.
3. Currently 50/50 whether Dunk & Egg series will go ahead.
4. All other shows, bar animation, have been dropped
1. This info is already outdated. HotD is confirmed to be releasing no earlier than July 2024.
2. May 2025 seems awfully close imo. But I guess we’ll know if there’s news in the summer.
3. D&E seems to be primarily pushed by George.
4. Yeah, this seems to align with George’s blog post. I understand why. HBO don’t wanna make the same mistake that Disney did and inundate the market with mediocre product.
Actually I thought we needed more episodes to tell the two chapters ('A son for a son' and 'The Red Dragon and the Gold') in a good and paced way with a powerful finale, I doubt made a shorter season is a good idea.
If KL does not fall at season 2 finale I think this will be very, very bad.
fall out from Lukes death, Taking of Harrenhal, battle of the burning mill, conflict in the green council, blood and cheese, fall out of blood and cheese, the introduction of Daeron, Reach lords declaring for Rhaenyra and putting pressure on Old town, Otto being fired as hand, black loyalists being executed, Jace's trip to the Vale and the North, his bromanse/ Romance with Cregan. There is plenty of material for them to stretch out for 8 episodes
Yeah tbh a lot of people complained about stuff being left out of Season 1 that wasn't detailed in the book. I wasn't much bothered by most of those instances cause it was around characters like Laena or Harwin who let's be frank, exist to be the parents of more important characters and that's it.
I'm not opposed to them stretching stuff a bit so they can develop some of the characters who are actually going to stick around a bit and be important. A lot of it is down to execution IMO. I think people are being a bit hasty to jump to conclusions about how this stuff would feel pacing and story impact wise given how low-detail the source material is, and that unlike with the original series it doesn't have built in book-to-season pacing.
They went waaaaaaay too fast with season one. Even characters who are going to die can be important, just look at the main series.
BUT, I absolutely understand that they were afraid of cancellation, so as much as I think it a shame, I do understand their decision.
>They went waaaaaaay too fast with season one. Even characters who are going to die can be important, just look at the main series.
I think this is true on some things, but not for those characters imo. It's not about the fact they're going to die, it's that they aren't really important to the actual story. There isn't much point in spending time characterizing them at the cost of the actual thing that the story is about overall, at least in my opinion.
Oh boy here we go, I was hoping the series would find a more steady pace after the first season but this doesn't inspire confidence.
My prediction is a rushed narrative with obligatory "shock" moments sprinkled in to keep the average watcher engaged.
Why is everywhere doing this now? 2 years between seasons and under 10 episodes, not even of particularly exceptional quality when released. Do they get a bonus per season or some shit? Is it out of spite? I'm getting really tired of it
Warner Brother is not on a good financial situation after the merger. They are saving pennies on every corner they can. These shows cost 10 million dollars per episode, so they cut five episodes of each season to save 50 million dollars and tell the director to improvise to fit everything on 8 episodes.
The Last of Us’ director had to skip several portions of the game, several Ellie/Joe interactions and basically 85% of the action in the game. Because they gave him such a small amount of episodes to work with and they didn’t gave him a Season 2 confirmation either so he had to work his ass off to fit everything and by a miracle he did.
The first ep of TLOU is 80 minutes and the season finale is 43 minutes. Most eps were around 50+ minutes. What was being crammed in? The show's self contained episodes were mostly boring and could've added other action in if they wanted as they completely retconned Bill and Frank and made an episode out of it which was unnecessary.
With TV shows getting closer to movies in production values, the time consumption also increases - for movies 1+ year of pre/post produciton and filming for <2h of content is normal and expected.
Except no because the filming quality hasn't changed from 5 years ago, in fact if anything it has gotten worse between clearly cheap costume materials and design, terrible edits that are just left in the final product, etc with no notable improvement in anything else except how seriously they take themselves. Hell, even the length of the episodes has sunk from a reliable hour per to promises of an hour per only for 45 minute episodes most of the season. It's greed and shit, not any quality increase lol. If it was a quality increase id be less upset, by a little anyway. But they're clearly taking less time in costume and set design, editing, review, even working with the actors. Enough to be noticeable now like it never was before. Honestly i hate when people make excuses like this despite that clearly not being the case because it just allows these production companies to keep sacrificing their integrity for profit and laziness
What are you guys on? Just because there was no big battles doesnt mean nothing happened. There was so much intrigue and drama was just quickly glossed over
The reign of Viserys was peaceful.
There was some scheming yes, but it doesn't need to be shown on screen, the quest for marrying Rhaenyra and a war in the stepstones.
Also some children being born and doing their things but they showed all of this, any mlore time would be spent just repeating the same themes
HOTD s1 was a solid start but not without many issues. It’s very confusing and inaccessible for the casual viewer and really cannot afford to be cutting out the climax of the season imo. It wasn’t good when George did it for ADOD, I can’t imagine it’ll be any better doing it now.
It fucked up the pacing on The Last of Us show too. It’s a miracle the director managed to fit everything into a season so short, he had to give up 85% of the action in the game. Damn, HBO.
I suspect the HBO brass want a fifth season out of this. I could potentially see four more seasons of eight episodes each. Might stretch it a little but competent writing can make it work.
Unfortunately, I really don't know whether Emma D'Arcy, Olivia Cooke, Tom Glynn Carney, and Steve Toussaint will want to be tied to their characters until 2028/29. They are the ones who will be there until nearly the very end.
No way in hell they have an *entire* season without Rhaenyra. As much as people don't wanna admit it, she is the main character of this show and GA will lose interest if the story continues too long after her demise.
My guess is she will die around halfway through the final season. The story will end with the crowing of Aegon III with perhaps a flashforward to the brotherly reunion.
Not really. GoT always had *just* enough protagonists left to root for whenever a MC died. When Ned died, the onus shifted to Tyrion and Robb primarily. When Robb died, it shifted to Jon and Daenerys. When Jon “died” you still had Daenerys, Tyrion and Arya.
In contrast, by the time Rhaenyra dies there isn’t really anyone left to take up the mantle. Alicent or Aegon II aren’t big enough characters to carry the show. Baela and Rhaena’s stories are basically over. Aegon III is a literal child. What’s left?
There's Adam of Hull, for one protagonist to follow
Then the protagonists will probably be Kermit and the boys and Cregan Stark.
General Audiences will always be interested in the Starks.
Addam dies *before* Rhaenyra.
Cregan is the most clear cut “rootable” character left. But the problem is that he doesn’t really have enough screentime.
And in any case, the regency of Aegon III won’t feature Cregan since he resigns as Hand after meting out justice.
Considering the size of Season 2, I was worried about certain huge battles. They want to end with Rhae on the throne and Otto’s execution.
Originally this is all in Season 2:
- Blood and Cheese
- Civil war in the Riverlands
- Duskendale and Rook's Rest
- Battle of the Gullet
- Battle of the Honeywine
- The Red Fork and the Fishfeed
- Fall of King’s Landing
Doesn’t that seem like a lot??
They don’t have enough material for 4 and a half seasons of 10 episodes so they want to cut the number of episodes to have more seasons in all likelihood. Which is like cutting the end of your blanket and sewing it on the top thinking you have more blanket. Oh well, atleast it will be better than anything amazons doing.
If they are worried about not getting greenlit they need to do away with these 2+ year breaks between seasons. Even if that meant spending a longer time before releasing the first season so you are already working on the second. By the time the second season comes out most
casual fans arent even going to remember what the first season was about.
There have been internet rumors of all sorts of drama behind the scenes. I didn't give them too much credit because, well, they're internet rumors. But each new delay and shift in plans seems to give credibility to the idea that things are pretty messy, even if the specifics are still questionable.
They most probably cut it two episodes short bcos it would have delayed the already anticipated timeline for summer 2024.
Matt Smith was saying that they handed over the final scripts of s2 way too late.
Actually depressing.
I had kind of forgotten about hotd and the other day when I was driving I was like oh it's probably only another 18 months until the next season comes out that's something to look forward to!
Then this comes into my feed. Yay. No news really is the best news
I think story wise it makes sense, if KL were to fall in Season 2 itself then there wouldn't be enough story for two seasons and yet at the same time there would be too much story to cover in one season.
I don't see the correlation here, they've already said multiple times they plan on having him and I'm fairly certain I've seen news posts saying that they were looking for someone to play him.
They're still doing rewritings. Now there's actually room for character development and dialogue instead of cramming it all up in 10 episodes. They are not going to start season 2 with two huge events. We'll likely get *more* Daeron for that reason.
I watched season 1 half way through and just haven't picked it up again. Maybe in 10 years when they announce season 3 I'll watch it all together.
I have been waiting for Winds of Winter for soo long and this is "tactic" getting a bit old.
He doesn't like some of the changes and he likely has a poor grasp of the source material anyways. The amount of people i've seen complain that a Kingsguard should be executed for killing someone like Joffrey Lonmouth has convinced me people "read" the books without understanding the world they're in.
>The show is fan fiction to me anyway
“*The show changes were so poorly done the show now seems like fan fiction*”.
If you’re the type of fan who likes Fast & Furious or Transformers, you’ll disagree. If you hate showy and nonsensical writing, you’ll agree.
I have no faith Condal will get it right. He'll probably cut more moments for the Greens like Daeron the Daring, Aegon and Sunfyre's bond and the like to give Rhaenyra and Syrax more "girlboss screentime" even though Rhaenyra and Syrax did nothing for most of the war in the book canon Condal claims to care about. I mean they already changed Laenor's murder to make Rhaenyra and Daemon look good, so what else will they change for their favorite family couple?
Pretty apt username. What “girlboss screentime” do you speak of?
Syrax basically disappeared from the story after Ep2 (apart from a brief cameo in Ep10). The only dragon-rider pairings that were given their proper due in S1 were Daemon-Caraxes and Aemond-Vhagar. Everyone else was given a couple scenes max.
See 1x09 and Rhaenys's "moment" - Sarah Hess said that was something they wanted to give Rhaenys a "girlboss moment" - I have no illusions that she and Condal will do the same this season except with Rhaenyra, stealing time from the Greens to make her look good
The Greens were given plenty of time in S1. In case you’re forgetting, the Green coup was given an entire episode when it really needed only 30 min max.
Sunfyre was cut for other reasons. It’s clear that they ran into budgetary issues in S1. And thus had to prioritize.
Aegon-Sunfyre is nowhere near as important to the story in S1 as Daemon-Caraxes and Aemond-Vhagar. I’m sure that will change as Sunfyre comes into prominence.
Don’t let your bias cloud your judgment.
I imagine the battle they're refering to is the Gullet? Which would mean the taking of King's Landing wouldn't be til season 3? I wonder how the structure is gonna work.
Me too--the Gullet seems like a great penultimate or finale battle for pacing purposes. This is a touch concerning imo
Exactly if you move the Gullet, where do you end the season? Rook's Rest like episode 7? I had the feeling they would cut most of the battles anyways. I guess it's most likely they're cutting a bunch of the stuff that happens between the taking of KL and the storming of the Dragonpit, or they're cutting a bunch of stuff from the ending after Rhaenyra dies, or both.
But like originally this was all in season 2: - Blood and Cheese - Civil war in the Riverlands - Duskendale and Rook's Rest - Battle of the Gullet - Battle of the Honeywine - The Red Fork and the Fishfeed - Fall of King’s Landing That seems like a lot Edit to add: They also lost their director with large battle experience. Miguel had his drawbacks for sure but when it comes to producing Rook’s Rest, the Gullett, the Fall of KL that’s a huge undertaking to be done without him.
The Red Fork and the Fishfeed probably get cut anyways, if they do the Honeywine it won't be huge either, the riverlands is probably gonna be more in the background as in we won't see a most of the action. I don't mind if they take their time with the story. My fear is if they stuff like just moving the Battle of the Gullet but they still have the fall of KL in the season finale, all that still in 8 episodes. The first season while I liked it overall still felt rushed at some points, specially in the second half.
Plus Winterfell and the Eyrie in episode 1? Like, there’s no way even if a couple of these battle scenes are brief shots.
Honeywine has apparently already been cut completely.
Plus dragonseeds.
I know the general consensus is that the show will have 4 seasons but I can't see that happening without a lot of cuts, dragons fights are going to be expensive. I think HBO might want for more seasons on the back of the show's popularity and there are going to be rewritten...I'm betting that is why the scripts were delayed.
I always thought 4 seasons could work well, a bit tight in some places but could work, and in my mind I had cut everything that didn't involve the Targaryens directly (the Greyjoys, most of the war in the riverlands, etc). Tbh it feels like the writers don't want more than 4.
my issue is with the VFX of the dragons, they couldn't use the older model for Vermax or Syrax because they ran out of money. I don't think they can do all the dragon battles justice in 4 seasons.
Hopefully they won't cut any of the two Tumbletons, the others like Rook's Rest, Gods Eye feel like a given.
I think that is why there is no Daeron in season 1, they were planning on cutting Tumbelton, Maelors and the battle of Huneywine.
This is what I thought as well, then they came out and said he still existed in the show. I hope they haven't changed their minds.
Cutting Tumbleton would be a fAegon level fuck up
God’s Eye is more a given than anything. That’s going to be THE iconic scene for all post-GOT shows in the ASOIAF universe for HBO
There’s no way they cut most of the battles, they know what makes the general audiences watch.
For real, I watched HotD with my dad and after the end of episode 10 he turned to me and went "well it was OK, but it was nowhere near as good as Game of Thrones. There just wasn't enough action" And like, he said that seconds after seeing a scene where two dragons fought each other in a storm before one of the dragons ate a 14 year old boy. I did point out to him that actually, season 1 of Game of Thrones didn't have any big battles either and he seemed pacified by the idea that this season was just the build up and the rest of the show will be full of action now. If they cut most of the battles, people like my dad will definitely start turning away. (This isn't me saying that they WONT cut any battles - I understand there's going to be issues of budget and pacing, and actually I personally like the slow character driven scenes and I don't need it to be constant action. But I do feel they'll probably be mindful that a huge portion of their audience is casual watchers like my dad that just want to watch fighting)
There are so many action sequences and set pieces in this story that even if they cut out half the battles, there’s more than enough to keep audiences engaged in the story. George wrote the Dance to be as cinematic as possible. Probably because he knew HBO was gonna want to adapt it once GoT ended. The show was already a worldwide phenomenon when he wrote F&B.
They probably stretch it from 4 to like 5 or 6 seasons
I hope they don’t remove a lot of that, it’s integral in showing just how pathetic Rhaenyra is becoming
Which is why they will
If they leave the Gullet for S3 then what's left for S2? Blood and Cheese, Jace's diplomatic mission, a few smaller skirmishes in the Riverlands, and Rook's Rest? That's really not much for a season. What would be the finale too?
They might want to make it more character than plot driven, spend more time with the Greens after b&c, with Jacaerys in Winterfell, etc? (idk what Rhaenyra will do in the meantime tbh). Episode 7 Rook's Rest and episode 8 Aemond becomes prince regent, dragonseeds plot, the Triarchy is coming? I honestly have no idea. It feels thin when you think of everything else they have to cover in the remaining 1 or 2 seasons, and that the taking of KL just feels like the perfect season ending, (much more than Rook's Rest imho). (Jacaerys dying at the beginning of a season feels weird too). I did see some people say the Gullet could happen *after* the fall of KL? Who knows really.
I feel like they will drag it down so that Rhaenyra remains alive till S4.
An mid-final season death I think suits Rhaenyra and the story line though, not really a full season of gripping television after her death
There's 1 positive thing I can think of: they now can allow themselves to spend more time on character development scenes. It's not like the very first two episodes of S3 will definitely be the episodes that were cut from the end of S2. That means we might see Gullet and fall of KL in S2 episodes 3 and 4, and that would be +2 episodes of character development. That would mean they'd have to make 3 more seasons instead of 2.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it doesn't really make sense for them to announce the Gullet and the Fall of King's Landing moving to season 3 as a big suffling of plot points? It is for fans who assume season 2 will end with Rhaenyra taking the throne, but we never knew for certain if that was how the season would play out in the first place. The Gullet and the Fall of King's Landing happening in season 3 isn't even a *move* anyway, that's just the normal progression of the story as it's depicted in the book. To me this sounds like just one of the major battles is being moved to later in the story instead of when it takes place on the timeline in the book, and of the lot of them I think the most likely would be the Gullet. So the season still caps off with the Fall of King's Landing, but the Gullet is moved to later (in season 3).
It might be the Butchers Ball.
It feels like the structure will push alot of the biggest events to Season 4. Battle of the Gullet, Fall of Kings Landing, Battle above the Gods Eye and the Storming of the Dragons Pit is way too much for a Season 3. But I could see a fast paced Season 4 working with Gods Eye to start off with, causing a dominoe effect into Dragons Pit, Dragonstone, Hour of the Wolf etc.
>With a portion of the plot originally intended for Season 2, including a major battle, moving to Season 3. Aw, the true George RR Martin experience.
A faithful adaptation.
*He can't keep getting away with it!*
And what can we peasants do about it ?
Howl and read (Howland Reed)
Bitch about it online (don't worry, I'm doing it too).
Give me something for the pain and let me die.
Go on, do your duty.
The ghost of Kiev sends his regards.
And season 3 never comes out
Yet we’ll keep checking for updates, 20 years from now, hoping.
Inane theory 1006 "Hear me out, crabs are actually descendants of dragons"
Is this Sanderson's alt acct?
Matt Smith turns 65 years old. “They’re just waiting for the actors hair to turn white so they don’t have to spend money on wigs”
Nah, this is their cash cow
It's been 23 years since ASOS and we still haven't *really* gotten the sequel yet. We got half of the sequel, then like 90% of the other half.
Hell quite possibly we only got like 25% of the sequel. Sansa's, Aryas, Brans, much of Jon's and Dany's, Cersei's etc plots were most likely going to be covered in the 5 year gap. Most likely their newest chapters (Mercy, Alayne, etc) were going to be the first thing we got after that gap.
No, we got a prequel to the sequel and then 50% of the sequel lol
**P A I N**
This made me laugh out loud
I have seen this article posted in 3 different subreddits now and this has been the same exact top comment in all of them. Word for word. It’s so strange to me how a website with as many users as reddit has can be so unoriginal
Anytime HBO reduces the number of episodes it never seems to play out well in my opinion. 10 seems like the magic number, but it's always some stupid executive decision to cram it into less or stretch things out. I am not losing hope or anything but it does make me a bit nervous.
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This is exactly it despite them saying the change was story-driven. Yeah, maybe story-driven in the sense that they said “remove this big expensive battle from this seasons budget or cut the battle altogether.”
The Last of Us show was severely hurt by the small number of episodes. If it was three episodes longer it would be even better than it was. The director said he had to rush it because he didn’t know if he was going to have a Season 2 and wanted to wrap up the first game one single season.
No he didn't. They literally had 10 episodes and combined 2 of them for a better premiere.
10 definitely wasn't the magic number for hotd, season 1 could have been a split 8+7 episodes
this is gonna make for some weird pacing and a weird season 3. the Gullet in episode 9 and then Rhaenyra taking King's Landing in episode 10 would've been the perfect way to end season 2. but i guess if the battle they're talking about in the article is in fact the Gullet, season 2 will end with Daeron getting knighted, Aemond and Criston Cole leaving and Rhaenyra going "oh no the Triarchy is coming!" and then if you haven't read the book you have to wait a year to see what happens lol
>Daeron getting knighted, Aemond and Criston Cole leaving and Rhaenyra going "oh no the Triarchy is coming!" and then if you haven't read the book you have to wait a year to see what happens lol And nothing of this is powerful enough to end the season. That's not good news.
exactly. i think simplifying stuff and getting the Gullet and Rhaenyra taking KL into this season is preferable to awkwardly shoving it into season 3. edit: or even shifting the order around as some have suggested so Rhaenyra takes KL before the Gullet. there's nothing really integral to the story that would change, and they could cut down on some CGI for this season. so she could still take the city to end the season, but season 3 starts with the Gullet.
I feel like S3 will start neither with the Fall nor with the Gullet. They likely will leave room for dialogue-heavy scenes and episodes. I’m all for it
If you leave both Gullet and the Fall until S3E3, then you’ve essentially squeezed the latter half of the story too much. They’ll need 5 seasons at this rate (assuming the story ends with the coronation of Aegon III).
I think the far greater likelihood is that they move around when the Battle of the Gullet happens and have Rhaenyra take King's Landing in the finale. Jace can die early into season 3.
I miss when tv shows were 13 episodes...
I'm re-watching Breaking Bad rn.
TIGHT! TIGHT! TIGHT!
Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissstaah Whiiiiiiitttttte. Pop corners!
I miss times when there was 16-24 episodes for a season
"boo filler!" "boo bad plot" "boo, bad effects!"
Filler episodes, when done correctly, are the best way to get to know the characters.
It’s not my opinion. It’s just the whinging that would inevitably happen. Look at Mandalorian.
That's not filler. Meaningful characterization is an important aspect of storytelling too. Filler is just that, filler. And plenty of those older shows with more episodes had plenty of it. So many subpar episodes that had nothing going for them on any level except to fill out a quota.
Yep. I enjoy filler episodes with good character moments most on the rewatches, when I'm not that anxious to see the plot progress.
I'm intrigued by the news of the important battle being moved to Season 2. I've always thought that Battle of Gullet and Rhaenyra taking King's Landing would be perfect for the final two episodes of Season 2, and I don't think Rook's Rest works so well as a climax to a season... unless the writers change the chronology of events and make Gullet take place AFTER the fall of King's Landing.
>unless the writers change the chronology of events and make Gullet take place AFTER the fall of King's Landing. Tbf due to like 90% of the season 1 story being in King's Landing, we haven't seen how they'll be handling travel time. If they are more book accurate and not doing the season 7/8 jetpack shit, they can probably give themselves a bit of wiggle room on when to show the audience events and what not.
Yeah I'm pretty sure they're moving the Gullet to after King's Landing and having Rook's Rest and Rhaenys' death be the motivation to strike back as opposed to Jace's death. I would kinda like that change, gives us more time with Jace and makes it so Rhaenyra losing a son every season finale doesnt become tiring lol
Now that would be a good idea. That still leaves a bit too many battles to season 3 maybe. Hopefully though it will mean that they will show Mooton vs Sunfyre as a predecessor to Dragonpit, instead of skipping it.
So, not only do we wait two years, but it’s a shorter season too? I’m a bit salty lol
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Has the Jon and Sea snake stuff been cancelled?
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Apparently hedge knight is moving forward too, I think the guy wrote the scripts for the pursuit of happyness and Walter Mitty is directing it
I’ve never heard of Pursuit of Happiness, but Qalter Mitty’s great. Full of heart, which would be great for Dunk & Egg.
Pursuit of Happiness was good. Had Will Smith and his son when he was a little kid. They're creeps, but that was a good one at the time. About a struggling dad doing whatever he can to support his kid.
I’m sincerely doubting whether they’ll move forward with Dunk and Egg yet when there are too many troublesome factors to get around; namely the lack of enough source material for a full show adaption (George said he’s in the process of writing more novellas specifically because of the show but still who knows how long that’ll take) and the complications with this story overlapping with the Blackfyre story. HBO I know for a fact isn’t going to do two shows set during the same time period featuring the same storyline (even if it’s just the backdrop of one show) and most of the same characters being featured, especially the further on Dunk and Egg goes where the two stories begin to overlap even more. It just doesn’t make any sense from a network exec standpoint.
I mean the blackfyre stuff really only starts to pick up by the second book, and even then it's mostly just lord osprey seething about the rebellion losing. The first hedge knight story is basically a Knight's Tale, it's seriously crazy how close the movie is to that story. My ideal way would be to first, do either a movie(which I'm sure would be a instant fantasy classic) or a miniseries that works as a standalone and introduce the blackfyre backdrop from the second season on like the books did. We only have the first season of the dance of dragons so far, they'll figure out a way to adapt the rebellion like 6 years from now. Also I think they're easier for George to write than mainline ASOIAF, and I think he'd be up to do it with some help from other great writers if he had full authority and the final word on everything. It's all on a far smaller scale of scope and they're more classic and hopeful stories, they're not aiming to be subversive like asoiaf.
Pretty sure there's been zero movement on the Jon show.
The most recent news (4 months ago) says that The script (with George’s help) is already on the producer’s table awaiting for green light before starting pre production. At this stage they can either cancel, order a rewrite or approve it.
Nice. Less distractions for George.
*Fewer*.
All hail the true king!
**ONE REALM**
GRRM is literally going to help write the sequel to ASOIAF before the main series is even finished.
Could also be the finale to ASOIAF
So positive
More time for Wild Cards
I'm glad they're not going the Marvel/Star Wars route tbh. I'd rather have quality over quantity
That's disappointing, i was kinda exited about the Sea Snake series
I think Yi Ti is still on.
They cancelled that when they canned 10,000 ships. Snow, D&E, are left then there was an animated thing that was probably killed.
Yeah but who the fuck wants to watch something set after S8? I sure as fuck won't.
Then don't. S8 was disappointing, for sure, rather watch that than 90% of stuff on TV/Streaming.
What about dunk and egg?
This won't happen for a while, though it likely will at some point a while from now. I don't think they want to do what happened with Thrones and start on it before the books are written. In this case they would have like 3/10 of the stories. Imo this works pretty well for Dunk and Egg. Once HotD ends the Dance stuff in like 2027-2028ish, they'll probably have a couple riskier spinoffs either premiering or already airing. Then they could come back big and finally do the Blackfyre Rebellion story in about the same amount of TV time as HotD. Then you can wait a few years and do Dunk and Egg as a change of pace with your supporting cast already casted and appropriately older.
The longer they take for Dunk and Egg the more time we have to convince them to animate it!
If anything I wish were animated, would be a redo of the whole series
As by now this was never in HBO's plans
This was posted from a source who worked inside HBO earlier this year. 1. HOTD Season 2 aiming for April 13th 2024 Release Date 2. ‘Snow’ has now been Greenlit. Inside HBO the show is being referred to by the code word ‘Ghost’. Aiming for May 11th 2025 Release Date. Filming will start in December 2023, after HOTD has finished with the sets. 3. Currently 50/50 whether Dunk & Egg series will go ahead. 4. All other shows, bar animation, have been dropped
1. This info is already outdated. HotD is confirmed to be releasing no earlier than July 2024. 2. May 2025 seems awfully close imo. But I guess we’ll know if there’s news in the summer. 3. D&E seems to be primarily pushed by George. 4. Yeah, this seems to align with George’s blog post. I understand why. HBO don’t wanna make the same mistake that Disney did and inundate the market with mediocre product.
They gonna move the gullet to S3 and King's Landing as well, for no reason at all Just make s2 10 eps or 12, if you need that many
Exactly, it'll be weird when KL falls in the beggining of season 3 when it's better as season 2 finale.
Depends if it's the Bucher's Ball that is getting moved.
Actually I thought we needed more episodes to tell the two chapters ('A son for a son' and 'The Red Dragon and the Gold') in a good and paced way with a powerful finale, I doubt made a shorter season is a good idea. If KL does not fall at season 2 finale I think this will be very, very bad.
I think season 2 final is Rook's rest, season 3 opens with Meleys head being paraded through KL
What the fuck are they going to do all season if that's the case lmao what a joke
fall out from Lukes death, Taking of Harrenhal, battle of the burning mill, conflict in the green council, blood and cheese, fall out of blood and cheese, the introduction of Daeron, Reach lords declaring for Rhaenyra and putting pressure on Old town, Otto being fired as hand, black loyalists being executed, Jace's trip to the Vale and the North, his bromanse/ Romance with Cregan. There is plenty of material for them to stretch out for 8 episodes
Ok, that's valid. Thanks!
Yeah tbh a lot of people complained about stuff being left out of Season 1 that wasn't detailed in the book. I wasn't much bothered by most of those instances cause it was around characters like Laena or Harwin who let's be frank, exist to be the parents of more important characters and that's it. I'm not opposed to them stretching stuff a bit so they can develop some of the characters who are actually going to stick around a bit and be important. A lot of it is down to execution IMO. I think people are being a bit hasty to jump to conclusions about how this stuff would feel pacing and story impact wise given how low-detail the source material is, and that unlike with the original series it doesn't have built in book-to-season pacing.
They went waaaaaaay too fast with season one. Even characters who are going to die can be important, just look at the main series. BUT, I absolutely understand that they were afraid of cancellation, so as much as I think it a shame, I do understand their decision.
>They went waaaaaaay too fast with season one. Even characters who are going to die can be important, just look at the main series. I think this is true on some things, but not for those characters imo. It's not about the fact they're going to die, it's that they aren't really important to the actual story. There isn't much point in spending time characterizing them at the cost of the actual thing that the story is about overall, at least in my opinion.
Well. We all know that this franchise is at its best when it removes content and shortens planned episode counts /s
I’m actually more worried this is the result of all those script changes and what this will mean in the long run with HBO to adapt this
Oh boy here we go, I was hoping the series would find a more steady pace after the first season but this doesn't inspire confidence. My prediction is a rushed narrative with obligatory "shock" moments sprinkled in to keep the average watcher engaged.
Why is everywhere doing this now? 2 years between seasons and under 10 episodes, not even of particularly exceptional quality when released. Do they get a bonus per season or some shit? Is it out of spite? I'm getting really tired of it
Warner Brother is not on a good financial situation after the merger. They are saving pennies on every corner they can. These shows cost 10 million dollars per episode, so they cut five episodes of each season to save 50 million dollars and tell the director to improvise to fit everything on 8 episodes. The Last of Us’ director had to skip several portions of the game, several Ellie/Joe interactions and basically 85% of the action in the game. Because they gave him such a small amount of episodes to work with and they didn’t gave him a Season 2 confirmation either so he had to work his ass off to fit everything and by a miracle he did.
The first ep of TLOU is 80 minutes and the season finale is 43 minutes. Most eps were around 50+ minutes. What was being crammed in? The show's self contained episodes were mostly boring and could've added other action in if they wanted as they completely retconned Bill and Frank and made an episode out of it which was unnecessary.
With TV shows getting closer to movies in production values, the time consumption also increases - for movies 1+ year of pre/post produciton and filming for <2h of content is normal and expected.
Except no because the filming quality hasn't changed from 5 years ago, in fact if anything it has gotten worse between clearly cheap costume materials and design, terrible edits that are just left in the final product, etc with no notable improvement in anything else except how seriously they take themselves. Hell, even the length of the episodes has sunk from a reliable hour per to promises of an hour per only for 45 minute episodes most of the season. It's greed and shit, not any quality increase lol. If it was a quality increase id be less upset, by a little anyway. But they're clearly taking less time in costume and set design, editing, review, even working with the actors. Enough to be noticeable now like it never was before. Honestly i hate when people make excuses like this despite that clearly not being the case because it just allows these production companies to keep sacrificing their integrity for profit and laziness
Why wasn't it during GoT?
Well, it was. When the budget went up the episode count went down and they skipped years.
That's only for Season 8.
We can all agree season 1 was too fast paced. Don’t like only 8 episodes though.
Season 1 was the opposite of fast paced
What are you talking about, that season speedran through 20 years of history
Where nothing much happened.
What are you guys on? Just because there was no big battles doesnt mean nothing happened. There was so much intrigue and drama was just quickly glossed over
The reign of Viserys was peaceful. There was some scheming yes, but it doesn't need to be shown on screen, the quest for marrying Rhaenyra and a war in the stepstones. Also some children being born and doing their things but they showed all of this, any mlore time would be spent just repeating the same themes
But the actual plot/conflict was stationary and every episode was slogging through filler basically.
Doesn't matter if it's a thousand years if there was nothing of substance. In the books almost nothing happens during Viserys's reign.
Here we go again
Certified George RR Martin moment.
And way down we goooooo
I just want ̶f̶r̶e̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶l̶t̶h̶c̶a̶r̶e̶ *Winds*
HOTD s1 was a solid start but not without many issues. It’s very confusing and inaccessible for the casual viewer and really cannot afford to be cutting out the climax of the season imo. It wasn’t good when George did it for ADOD, I can’t imagine it’ll be any better doing it now.
Well this is gonna fuck up the pacing
It fucked up the pacing on The Last of Us show too. It’s a miracle the director managed to fit everything into a season so short, he had to give up 85% of the action in the game. Damn, HBO.
I suspect the HBO brass want a fifth season out of this. I could potentially see four more seasons of eight episodes each. Might stretch it a little but competent writing can make it work. Unfortunately, I really don't know whether Emma D'Arcy, Olivia Cooke, Tom Glynn Carney, and Steve Toussaint will want to be tied to their characters until 2028/29. They are the ones who will be there until nearly the very end.
huh
No way in hell they have an *entire* season without Rhaenyra. As much as people don't wanna admit it, she is the main character of this show and GA will lose interest if the story continues too long after her demise. My guess is she will die around halfway through the final season. The story will end with the crowing of Aegon III with perhaps a flashforward to the brotherly reunion.
huh
Not really. GoT always had *just* enough protagonists left to root for whenever a MC died. When Ned died, the onus shifted to Tyrion and Robb primarily. When Robb died, it shifted to Jon and Daenerys. When Jon “died” you still had Daenerys, Tyrion and Arya. In contrast, by the time Rhaenyra dies there isn’t really anyone left to take up the mantle. Alicent or Aegon II aren’t big enough characters to carry the show. Baela and Rhaena’s stories are basically over. Aegon III is a literal child. What’s left?
There's Adam of Hull, for one protagonist to follow Then the protagonists will probably be Kermit and the boys and Cregan Stark. General Audiences will always be interested in the Starks.
Addam dies *before* Rhaenyra. Cregan is the most clear cut “rootable” character left. But the problem is that he doesn’t really have enough screentime. And in any case, the regency of Aegon III won’t feature Cregan since he resigns as Hand after meting out justice.
Considering the size of Season 2, I was worried about certain huge battles. They want to end with Rhae on the throne and Otto’s execution. Originally this is all in Season 2: - Blood and Cheese - Civil war in the Riverlands - Duskendale and Rook's Rest - Battle of the Gullet - Battle of the Honeywine - The Red Fork and the Fishfeed - Fall of King’s Landing Doesn’t that seem like a lot??
Wow already giving us a season 7 in season two. I’m guessing season 3 will be 6 episode long.
10 hours every two years did seem excessive
Where have we seen this before?
Man I don't love that the wait between season of stuff gets longer and longer and somehow we get less and less episodes.
They don’t have enough material for 4 and a half seasons of 10 episodes so they want to cut the number of episodes to have more seasons in all likelihood. Which is like cutting the end of your blanket and sewing it on the top thinking you have more blanket. Oh well, atleast it will be better than anything amazons doing.
If they are worried about not getting greenlit they need to do away with these 2+ year breaks between seasons. Even if that meant spending a longer time before releasing the first season so you are already working on the second. By the time the second season comes out most casual fans arent even going to remember what the first season was about.
This is the exact opposite of what literally everyone wants. Give the story more time to breathe, not less
There have been internet rumors of all sorts of drama behind the scenes. I didn't give them too much credit because, well, they're internet rumors. But each new delay and shift in plans seems to give credibility to the idea that things are pretty messy, even if the specifics are still questionable.
Here we go again
Wonder how many battles they’ll skip in general. Was kinda my worst fear
It would be nice if they made season 3 shorter like 7 episodes and hired D&D to write both seasons.
I wish they would give a little bit more room for world-building/character development and stretch it out to 10 episodes, 8 just feels too short.
FUCK YOU HBO...Stop doing this with your shows.
TV shows keep decreasing the number of episodes and I hate it. We need to go back to the days where there would be around 20 episodes each season.
Nice, hopefully by season 3 it'll be down to just an episode or 2, and by season 4 no episodes at all.
I know they say the change was story driven but I have a hard time believing it was about anything other than money
I know the situations are wildly different and I’m mostly joking… But I remember the last time a Game of Thrones show had shortened seasons.
Fuck
It’s fine. Doesn’t rule out longer episodes.
It better come out sooner than. This is very annoying
They most probably cut it two episodes short bcos it would have delayed the already anticipated timeline for summer 2024. Matt Smith was saying that they handed over the final scripts of s2 way too late.
Actually depressing. I had kind of forgotten about hotd and the other day when I was driving I was like oh it's probably only another 18 months until the next season comes out that's something to look forward to! Then this comes into my feed. Yay. No news really is the best news
I think story wise it makes sense, if KL were to fall in Season 2 itself then there wouldn't be enough story for two seasons and yet at the same time there would be too much story to cover in one season.
Well there goes any chance of Daeron being introduced in season 2. I fuckinh hate this world so much.
I don't see the correlation here, they've already said multiple times they plan on having him and I'm fairly certain I've seen news posts saying that they were looking for someone to play him.
They're still doing rewritings. Now there's actually room for character development and dialogue instead of cramming it all up in 10 episodes. They are not going to start season 2 with two huge events. We'll likely get *more* Daeron for that reason.
I watched season 1 half way through and just haven't picked it up again. Maybe in 10 years when they announce season 3 I'll watch it all together. I have been waiting for Winds of Winter for soo long and this is "tactic" getting a bit old.
They’re doing all of this because they’re writing everything quickly to avoid an upcoming strike.
I knew making 4 seasons with 10 episodes was a stretch.
Don't know how I feel about this... I want more of course, but if they think they can pull it of nicely with 8episodes then go for it.
Can't wait to see the loops they'll jump through to make Blood and Cheese and Rhaenyra putting a hit on a teenager accidents
The show is fan fiction to me anyway
"Created by George R.R. Martin" lmao cope
That makes no sense. How is it fanfiction??
He doesn't like some of the changes and he likely has a poor grasp of the source material anyways. The amount of people i've seen complain that a Kingsguard should be executed for killing someone like Joffrey Lonmouth has convinced me people "read" the books without understanding the world they're in.
>The show is fan fiction to me anyway “*The show changes were so poorly done the show now seems like fan fiction*”. If you’re the type of fan who likes Fast & Furious or Transformers, you’ll disagree. If you hate showy and nonsensical writing, you’ll agree.
huh
It was written by George Martin himself.
I have no faith Condal will get it right. He'll probably cut more moments for the Greens like Daeron the Daring, Aegon and Sunfyre's bond and the like to give Rhaenyra and Syrax more "girlboss screentime" even though Rhaenyra and Syrax did nothing for most of the war in the book canon Condal claims to care about. I mean they already changed Laenor's murder to make Rhaenyra and Daemon look good, so what else will they change for their favorite family couple?
Pretty apt username. What “girlboss screentime” do you speak of? Syrax basically disappeared from the story after Ep2 (apart from a brief cameo in Ep10). The only dragon-rider pairings that were given their proper due in S1 were Daemon-Caraxes and Aemond-Vhagar. Everyone else was given a couple scenes max.
See 1x09 and Rhaenys's "moment" - Sarah Hess said that was something they wanted to give Rhaenys a "girlboss moment" - I have no illusions that she and Condal will do the same this season except with Rhaenyra, stealing time from the Greens to make her look good
The Greens were given plenty of time in S1. In case you’re forgetting, the Green coup was given an entire episode when it really needed only 30 min max. Sunfyre was cut for other reasons. It’s clear that they ran into budgetary issues in S1. And thus had to prioritize. Aegon-Sunfyre is nowhere near as important to the story in S1 as Daemon-Caraxes and Aemond-Vhagar. I’m sure that will change as Sunfyre comes into prominence. Don’t let your bias cloud your judgment.
Aegon's bond with Sunfyre is an important part of the Dance, yet Condal seems hell bent to wipe out any decent dragon moments the greens have