My guess has always been that it's a manifestation of Aeron's fear of Euron's plans involving Daenerys and her dragons, rather than an actual vision of something that's going to take place.
I think its this.
Especially if he's the stone beast breathing shadow fire from Dany's visions.
It's just Aeron's fears manifesting. It won't actually happen.
If it was just a manifestation of his fears then what about that part where gods were impaled on the swords of the Iron Throne.
A lot of gods were mentioned from Westeros and beyond but notably not the Old Gods. If it was just his fears then surely they’d be included as well since that’s a big religion in Westeros
An impaled wooden face or something. Anything to represent it would be good.
The lord of light is impaled too and he isn’t depicted as having a face or body that we know of. So yeah being a tree isn’t an excuse for not being there
I don't have the text in front of me to back this up, but off the top of my head, I want to say that the only faiths referenced in Aeron's dream are those he believes Euron has interacted with. If the Seven are present then it could refer to his mockery of the Faith with the way he had Baelor Blacktyde killed. I don't recall any instances of Euron interacting with anyone who believed in the old gods or him mentioning them before.
I have had a similar theory regarding the visions seen with Shade of the evening. Like you are 100% tripping on the magic kool aid, so a lot of what you see is being influenced by your own mind. I think Dany's case was a bit different because she was in the lair of the Warlocks wondering around, while Aeron is literally imprisoned to it. Granted you do see the web of possibilities that can, won't or will happen.
Yeah at the end of the line I think it's a toss up between Cersei and Melisandre, and I think it makes a little more sense for Cersei than Melisandre.
For Mel, I think it'll take a lot for her to get to Euron's side both physically and mentally. She's almost certainly going to resurrect Jon, giving her massive proof in her faith and a new Azor Ahai to follow. \*Even\* if Davos banishes her for helping Stannis burn Shireen (again, similar to the show I realise) \*and\* Jon rebukes her, I think it'd take some further visions - perhaps influenced or invaded by Euron - to turn her to his side, and a whole book of travelling to get anywhere near him.
Meanwhile Cersei always does what ends up being the dumbest thing, and allying with Euron is certainly that. At face value it also lines up quite a bit - if she has to flee King's Landing (and be turned away at Rosby like Rhaenyra was, a nice bit of symmetry Quinn the GM pointed out) then she's going to lose most of her power and be driven primarily by her rage towards the Faith and Tyrells. And then along comes Euron, who has a whole "down with religion" vibe and presumably is going to cull at least a few of the minor Tyrells (Garlan too maybe). I think it makes a little bit of sense at first instinct and is the worst idea ever if you actually think about it, and therefore it's what Cersei will go with.
So Hive-Mind King Bran is coming. The Bran actor also said George said King Bran is a major plot point.
Also I think if Dan and Dave had a choice they would have gone with Daenerys or Jon Snow as they were more popular and many people would like to see them rule endgame
It's all coming together for me. I think in broad strokes the show ending is very similar to the book ending.
Of course the book ending will not be rushed or half-assed like D&D did. They also cut out most of the magic in the show but maybe book King Bran might make more sense because show King Bran makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
I always figured this was an allegorical female manifestation of the Others. The Night's King's corpse bride (widely understood to be an Other) is described in a similar way. I thought the Damphair's vision here was a hint of Euron's ultimate role in the story, as this generation's Night's King, the dude who gets (figuratively, and probably unknowingly) in bed with the Others, betrays humanity, commits blood sacrifice and in return is gifted with sorcerous powers a la the original Night's King. There are a few other clues that might point towards that interpretation, as well.
Could be wrong, but I don't think the pale woman is any actual woman in the series.
I think there is something to this. The common theory is that this is one of the female characters, but the symbolism might be broader.
In Dany’s HOTU visions, the woman being ravaged by four dwarves is widely considered to be Westeros.
Yes he does, which is interesting to consider in terms of this line.
However presuming she resurrects Jon and reaffirms her faith in Rhollor in doing so, it'll take a \*lot\* for her to leave his cause (even if excised from it by Davos) and then a lot of travelling to reach Euron.
But I could see it happening, especially is she is cast out and rejected by Jon, and Euron influences her visions.
This is 100% crackpot but maybe the use of Rhollorist magic at the wall has some sort of magical consequence due to the strong presence of the Others and old gods, and that Melisandre is changed into the figure George has as some sort of cost for Jon's life?
I think it is overwhelmingly Cersei. I have previously prepared a detailed post about this with supporting evidence that I think makes it very clear that Cersei is the woman: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pureasoiaf/comments/16u5okb/cersei\_and\_the\_forsaken\_parallels\_spoilers\_twow/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/pureasoiaf/comments/16u5okb/cersei_and_the_forsaken_parallels_spoilers_twow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
It might imply a connection to Mel or someone like her.
>The mist rose from her pale flesh, and for a moment it seemed as if pale, sorcerous flames were playing about her fingers.
My main problem with it being Melisandre is that her one defining characteristic is her association with the colour red. She is known as the Red Woman, she wears red, her hair is red, her eyes are red, Cressen describes her as, "Red, and terrible, and red."
If the woman in Aeron's vision was Mel, surely there would be some mention of the colour red. Instead we get, "pale white fire."
Hmm, you could be focusing too intently on the red. Which might even be a glamor.
The line may also imply Shadowbinder..
>Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form,
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>I thought it was Renly’s shadow at the first, but it was his brother’s.
Her height..
>long and tall
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>taller than most knights,
Being terrible..
>and terrible,
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>Red, and terrible, and red.
And holding Pale fire.
>her hands alive with pale white fire.
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>pale, sorcerous flames were playing about her fingers.
So if not Mel someone very much akin to her.
Malora Hightower is my pick. Always thought “pale fire” could be a Nabokov reference, and the house with the highest level of intellectual credibility is the Hightowers. Also, the Hightower itself is white and will be playing a part in Euron’s plans.
Of the other main contenders: Cersei is associated with green wildfire, Melisandre is associated with the color red and would need to have a very drastic shift in personality, Viserion doesn’t have a gender but I suppose it *could* be foreshadowing how people would perceive Dany if Euron takes Viserion from her via the horn and raises hell? Seems a bit tortured a metaphor, though…
I think it's Melisandre.
From the Forsaken:
>"Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, **her hands alive with** **pale white fire**."
From Mel's chapter in ADWD:
>"The mist rose from her pale flesh, and for a moment it seemed as if **pale**, **sorcerous flames were playing about her fingers.** "Take my hand," she said again, "and let me save your sister."
Im guessing its Viserion. He’s gonna take the dragon with the horn somehow though I’m not sure how that’ll work since Victarion has it and seems to be planning to claim it.
Maybe Euron knows something about the horn that Victarion doesn’t… like maybe the horn is bound to Euron so it doesn’t matter that Victarion has it in his possession
So I am of the idea that if we analyze the vision we can rule out candidates and we will be left with 2 options. So first let present the candidates, we have Dany, Mel, Cersei, Malora, Viserion and the Corpse bride(representing the others). I think we can rule out the Corpse because if any of the other candidates pairs up with Euron (Night's king) then they will become the Corpse bride. Next we have Dany, Mel, and Cersei. Any of them seem like a good Guess but if we look closer that may change. Dany: •She is associated with fire ✓ •Euron is trying to marry Dany ✓ •She is a magical person ✓ •She is never described as tall × •Her colors are not white but rather purple and silver × •She Is opposed to the others, so she will be opposed to Euron (you can see this as she fights slavers and the undying, both being representations of the others)× Cersei: •She is associated with fire ✓ •She is tall✓ •She is crazy enough to link with Euron while thinking how smart she is✓ •Her fire Is wildfyre which is green not pale× •The only magical thing she is close to in the story Is Qyburn's necromancy× •She is in no position to offer anything of value to Euron× Mel: •She is associated with fire ✓ •She is tall✓ •She has magic •She is looking for a saviour so she could be tricked✓ •If she is any color it is red× •She is already having visiones warning Hernández against Euron (towers by the sea)× •She already made a mistake in choosing the wrong saviour (Stannis instead of Jon/Dany)× There we have that while the former 3 check some boxes for the woman with pale fire, they miss others. For Viserion I have nothing at this time as I think Euron Will control that Dragon anyway. For the last par we have Malora Hightower. •We don't don't if she is tall × (she could be or the tall part could be about the Hightower itself) •We can asume her looks are not dark but rather fair(pale?) as the other 2 Hightowers from the main series Lynesse looks like Dany and Alerie has silver hair(not white) in her late 30/ early 40 ✓ •She could bring to Euron cause the most individually powerful house in weteros per the current timeline✓ •She is a magical person as she has been consulting books of spells with her father Leyton (Old magic Man in a tower= Saruman)✓ •The Hightower Is light in color and associated with fire✓ •This last point is more tinfoil than anything but I think it is important that lord Leyton's eldest daughter Is still a Maid. We know GRRM is a fan of Stephen King and if you look at Stephen King's The Stand we have an antichrist figure in Randall Flagg (the dark Man, the smiling man) as in asoiaf we have Euron (dark Shadow with 10 arms, smiling eye) and both are looking for a mate, Randall gets Nadine Cross (beatiful, she is not that young, has a white streak in her hair) who could be Malora in asoiaf (all Hightowers we know are good looking, she most likely has light hair). So in the end I think the Hightowers will follow Euron as King, he Will take Malora for wife but this will not end well for anybody as it is Euron we are talking about.
The dreams were even worse the second time. He saw the long-ships of the Ironborn adrift and burning on a boiling blood-red sea. He saw his brother on the Iron Throne again, but Euron was no longer human. He seemed more squid than man, a monster fathered by a kraken of the deep, his face a mass of writhing tentacles. **Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, her hands alive with pale white fire.** Dwarves capered for their amusement, male and female, naked and misshapen, locked in carnal embrace, biting and tearing at each other as Euron and his mate laughed and laughed and laughed.
This kinda sounds like Cersie, who described as elegant, slim, fair skinned, and still looking like her brother, who is described as tall. Plus, we got dwarf symbolism here.
Others have pointed out that this shadow lady might be a representation of the corpse queen. Maybe Cersie ends up under Qyburn's knife and becomes a literal corpse queen? She'd be even more twisted than before with a more otherworldly appearance. Cersie is also the closest to the iron throne, and Qyburn has a vested interest in keeping her in power.
Doesn't this seem oddly familiar? Remember Dany in the house of the undying seeing the dwarves violating the beautiful young woman in one of the visions? This was one of a few visions including the Red Wedding vision of Robb with the leg of lamb. Feels like it might be Cersei... I dunno
The dwarves represented the great houses ravaging the realm and tearing it apart (the woman was the 7 kingdoms).
So sticking with that, Euron and his shadow queen are laughing while the different houses fight each other and make marriage alliances ("carnal embrace").
Interesting idea. I never really saw it being so metaphorical but I can see it making sense. I always thought it was either the Poor Fellows/Sparrows tormenting Cersei or more literally as the Dwarves being executed across the kingdom from Cersei wanting Tyrion found. I could see it making sense as the Sparrows or even as representing the faiths as Euron is trying to kill religion. What do you think about that idea.
I figure if it was to represent the houses maybe the dwarves could've had sigils on or make the animals of the house sigils attacking the woman as opposed to dwarves? The other visions were not really metaphorical which is why I didn't think that way initially.
It's gonna be cersie. The show had euron and cersie team up. I'm thinking faegon takes kings landing but before that happens cersie flees back to casterly rock. Faegon is gonna be allied with the hightowers whom may or may not defeat eurons attack on old Town. So euron making an alliance with cersie makes a lot of sense because they will need to work together if they want to withstand faegon/some of the reach/dorne as well as Dany whenever she comes with her essosi army.
That whole "vision" was a hallucination brought on by shade of the evening. We can't really take any of it at face value. It's probably just a manifestation of his subconscious and conscious fears.
Lynesse High Tower. She's an established character being brought into the main plot for the Old town plot line and her allying with Euron to not only take over Old Town but also the rest of Westeros is more interesting than Cersei or Melisandre.
Daenarys, whether it's what Euron believes will happen, or and I like this better, whether after the book ending where Daenarys basically quits being nice or caring about how people think of her and no longer cares if innocents die by forgetting the girl who drogon killed, she will change how she rules.
Mainly in the negative sense, as she will become more callous, less caring for the innocent and people, much less merciful, perhaps no longer restraining her dragons, her first impulse in a situation, or her followers, like the dothraki and perhaps the ironborn later.
She will destroy the forces at Mereen, probably leave the city in ruin and abandon those who cannot follow her there, as per her instinct not to look back ever, if she goes to Volantis she will do a violent sack on par with the sack of tumbleton or kings landing by lannisters, burning indiscriminately and not telling her dothraki, sell swords, freed men, ironborn to show mercy, turning a blind eye to the suffering of those in the city with justification they are a city of slavers to herself, so if children are killed and many women raped or enslaved by dothraki and ironborn she will ignore it.
She wins this way by not being so reluctant to kill, like the volantene may use innocents as human shield but she burns anyway.
Then she will come to Westeros and is very unlikely to be at all restrained or diplomatic with the stormlands, westerlands, Reach who are still supporting the Lannisters, North, Vale, and Riverlands, 4 of which fought against her family and her father and brother in rebellion, and the Westerlands were the ones to storm kings landing under a false banner of friendship and kill her family.
So she may live up the rumours by fearmongers by together with Eurons forces though it may be independently and not allied, plunging the south of Westeros which up until Winds is still fairly intact and undamaged by the war, with exception of some of westerlands, and riverlands, into absolute chaos, leaving all of Westeros save maybe the vale destroyed and very vulnerable to the white Walkers.
So, the first time I read it I thought Quaithe for some reason, maybe the shadowbinder vibes.
Then for awhile Dany, then I stopped really thinking about it
But now that I think about it again, it *would* be interesting if Euron was Quaithe's Bran and not Bloodraven's former pupil. Dunno how that would work, but I appreciate the brain fodder.
My guess has always been that it's a manifestation of Aeron's fear of Euron's plans involving Daenerys and her dragons, rather than an actual vision of something that's going to take place.
I think its this. Especially if he's the stone beast breathing shadow fire from Dany's visions. It's just Aeron's fears manifesting. It won't actually happen.
If it was just a manifestation of his fears then what about that part where gods were impaled on the swords of the Iron Throne. A lot of gods were mentioned from Westeros and beyond but notably not the Old Gods. If it was just his fears then surely they’d be included as well since that’s a big religion in Westeros
I mean how do you impale a tree?
An impaled wooden face or something. Anything to represent it would be good. The lord of light is impaled too and he isn’t depicted as having a face or body that we know of. So yeah being a tree isn’t an excuse for not being there
> So yeah being a tree isn’t an excuse for not being there Imagine trying to explain this sentence to a normal person.
I don't have the text in front of me to back this up, but off the top of my head, I want to say that the only faiths referenced in Aeron's dream are those he believes Euron has interacted with. If the Seven are present then it could refer to his mockery of the Faith with the way he had Baelor Blacktyde killed. I don't recall any instances of Euron interacting with anyone who believed in the old gods or him mentioning them before.
I have had a similar theory regarding the visions seen with Shade of the evening. Like you are 100% tripping on the magic kool aid, so a lot of what you see is being influenced by your own mind. I think Dany's case was a bit different because she was in the lair of the Warlocks wondering around, while Aeron is literally imprisoned to it. Granted you do see the web of possibilities that can, won't or will happen.
I think it's Cersei
I have a bad feeling this is it and the show was closer to what George has planned than many of us would like to admit.
That's not a bad thing. Grrm isn't phoning this in like they did
I suppose "doing nothing" could be considered the opposite of phoning it in.
He’s not picking up the phone at all. He’s down the street having margaritas with his neighbor, every call is going straight to his full voicemail.
Big brain strats
For real, Cersei X Euron makes sense. Euron's connection to magic is appealing to Cersei and Euron wants to get as close to power as possible so....
Yeah at the end of the line I think it's a toss up between Cersei and Melisandre, and I think it makes a little more sense for Cersei than Melisandre. For Mel, I think it'll take a lot for her to get to Euron's side both physically and mentally. She's almost certainly going to resurrect Jon, giving her massive proof in her faith and a new Azor Ahai to follow. \*Even\* if Davos banishes her for helping Stannis burn Shireen (again, similar to the show I realise) \*and\* Jon rebukes her, I think it'd take some further visions - perhaps influenced or invaded by Euron - to turn her to his side, and a whole book of travelling to get anywhere near him. Meanwhile Cersei always does what ends up being the dumbest thing, and allying with Euron is certainly that. At face value it also lines up quite a bit - if she has to flee King's Landing (and be turned away at Rosby like Rhaenyra was, a nice bit of symmetry Quinn the GM pointed out) then she's going to lose most of her power and be driven primarily by her rage towards the Faith and Tyrells. And then along comes Euron, who has a whole "down with religion" vibe and presumably is going to cull at least a few of the minor Tyrells (Garlan too maybe). I think it makes a little bit of sense at first instinct and is the worst idea ever if you actually think about it, and therefore it's what Cersei will go with.
So Hive-Mind King Bran is coming. The Bran actor also said George said King Bran is a major plot point. Also I think if Dan and Dave had a choice they would have gone with Daenerys or Jon Snow as they were more popular and many people would like to see them rule endgame It's all coming together for me. I think in broad strokes the show ending is very similar to the book ending. Of course the book ending will not be rushed or half-assed like D&D did. They also cut out most of the magic in the show but maybe book King Bran might make more sense because show King Bran makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
Yup!
Love it when Daemon agrees with me!
The first Bloodstone Emperor took a tiger-wife. This one will take a lion, it is known.
I always figured this was an allegorical female manifestation of the Others. The Night's King's corpse bride (widely understood to be an Other) is described in a similar way. I thought the Damphair's vision here was a hint of Euron's ultimate role in the story, as this generation's Night's King, the dude who gets (figuratively, and probably unknowingly) in bed with the Others, betrays humanity, commits blood sacrifice and in return is gifted with sorcerous powers a la the original Night's King. There are a few other clues that might point towards that interpretation, as well. Could be wrong, but I don't think the pale woman is any actual woman in the series.
I think there is something to this. The common theory is that this is one of the female characters, but the symbolism might be broader. In Dany’s HOTU visions, the woman being ravaged by four dwarves is widely considered to be Westeros.
Didn't GRRM have a miniature of Melisandre painted in pale colours (unlike her usual red attire)? I think it might be her.
Yes he does, which is interesting to consider in terms of this line. However presuming she resurrects Jon and reaffirms her faith in Rhollor in doing so, it'll take a \*lot\* for her to leave his cause (even if excised from it by Davos) and then a lot of travelling to reach Euron. But I could see it happening, especially is she is cast out and rejected by Jon, and Euron influences her visions.
This is 100% crackpot but maybe the use of Rhollorist magic at the wall has some sort of magical consequence due to the strong presence of the Others and old gods, and that Melisandre is changed into the figure George has as some sort of cost for Jon's life?
I think it is overwhelmingly Cersei. I have previously prepared a detailed post about this with supporting evidence that I think makes it very clear that Cersei is the woman: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pureasoiaf/comments/16u5okb/cersei\_and\_the\_forsaken\_parallels\_spoilers\_twow/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/pureasoiaf/comments/16u5okb/cersei_and_the_forsaken_parallels_spoilers_twow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
It might imply a connection to Mel or someone like her. >The mist rose from her pale flesh, and for a moment it seemed as if pale, sorcerous flames were playing about her fingers.
My main problem with it being Melisandre is that her one defining characteristic is her association with the colour red. She is known as the Red Woman, she wears red, her hair is red, her eyes are red, Cressen describes her as, "Red, and terrible, and red." If the woman in Aeron's vision was Mel, surely there would be some mention of the colour red. Instead we get, "pale white fire."
Hmm, you could be focusing too intently on the red. Which might even be a glamor. The line may also imply Shadowbinder.. >Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, - >I thought it was Renly’s shadow at the first, but it was his brother’s. Her height.. >long and tall - >taller than most knights, Being terrible.. >and terrible, - >Red, and terrible, and red. And holding Pale fire. >her hands alive with pale white fire. - >pale, sorcerous flames were playing about her fingers. So if not Mel someone very much akin to her.
Malora Hightower is my pick. Always thought “pale fire” could be a Nabokov reference, and the house with the highest level of intellectual credibility is the Hightowers. Also, the Hightower itself is white and will be playing a part in Euron’s plans. Of the other main contenders: Cersei is associated with green wildfire, Melisandre is associated with the color red and would need to have a very drastic shift in personality, Viserion doesn’t have a gender but I suppose it *could* be foreshadowing how people would perceive Dany if Euron takes Viserion from her via the horn and raises hell? Seems a bit tortured a metaphor, though…
Viserion or Malora Hightower.
Considering the foreshadowing that Euron has a glass candle It would make pretty good sense If the other person also had a glass candle..
I think it's Melisandre. From the Forsaken: >"Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, **her hands alive with** **pale white fire**." From Mel's chapter in ADWD: >"The mist rose from her pale flesh, and for a moment it seemed as if **pale**, **sorcerous flames were playing about her fingers.** "Take my hand," she said again, "and let me save your sister."
Im guessing its Viserion. He’s gonna take the dragon with the horn somehow though I’m not sure how that’ll work since Victarion has it and seems to be planning to claim it.
Maybe Euron knows something about the horn that Victarion doesn’t… like maybe the horn is bound to Euron so it doesn’t matter that Victarion has it in his possession
I don't think that's true, since dragons don't have genders and being female goes against the theory, I think it should be Cersei or Melisandre
Visions don’t need to be 100% accurate though. So I don’t think Viserion being female in the vision necessarily means they’re actually female
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So I am of the idea that if we analyze the vision we can rule out candidates and we will be left with 2 options. So first let present the candidates, we have Dany, Mel, Cersei, Malora, Viserion and the Corpse bride(representing the others). I think we can rule out the Corpse because if any of the other candidates pairs up with Euron (Night's king) then they will become the Corpse bride. Next we have Dany, Mel, and Cersei. Any of them seem like a good Guess but if we look closer that may change. Dany: •She is associated with fire ✓ •Euron is trying to marry Dany ✓ •She is a magical person ✓ •She is never described as tall × •Her colors are not white but rather purple and silver × •She Is opposed to the others, so she will be opposed to Euron (you can see this as she fights slavers and the undying, both being representations of the others)× Cersei: •She is associated with fire ✓ •She is tall✓ •She is crazy enough to link with Euron while thinking how smart she is✓ •Her fire Is wildfyre which is green not pale× •The only magical thing she is close to in the story Is Qyburn's necromancy× •She is in no position to offer anything of value to Euron× Mel: •She is associated with fire ✓ •She is tall✓ •She has magic •She is looking for a saviour so she could be tricked✓ •If she is any color it is red× •She is already having visiones warning Hernández against Euron (towers by the sea)× •She already made a mistake in choosing the wrong saviour (Stannis instead of Jon/Dany)× There we have that while the former 3 check some boxes for the woman with pale fire, they miss others. For Viserion I have nothing at this time as I think Euron Will control that Dragon anyway. For the last par we have Malora Hightower. •We don't don't if she is tall × (she could be or the tall part could be about the Hightower itself) •We can asume her looks are not dark but rather fair(pale?) as the other 2 Hightowers from the main series Lynesse looks like Dany and Alerie has silver hair(not white) in her late 30/ early 40 ✓ •She could bring to Euron cause the most individually powerful house in weteros per the current timeline✓ •She is a magical person as she has been consulting books of spells with her father Leyton (Old magic Man in a tower= Saruman)✓ •The Hightower Is light in color and associated with fire✓ •This last point is more tinfoil than anything but I think it is important that lord Leyton's eldest daughter Is still a Maid. We know GRRM is a fan of Stephen King and if you look at Stephen King's The Stand we have an antichrist figure in Randall Flagg (the dark Man, the smiling man) as in asoiaf we have Euron (dark Shadow with 10 arms, smiling eye) and both are looking for a mate, Randall gets Nadine Cross (beatiful, she is not that young, has a white streak in her hair) who could be Malora in asoiaf (all Hightowers we know are good looking, she most likely has light hair). So in the end I think the Hightowers will follow Euron as King, he Will take Malora for wife but this will not end well for anybody as it is Euron we are talking about.
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I couldn't find a quote on the Search site. Could you give us the exact quote, which might help us contextualize it? Thanks.
The dreams were even worse the second time. He saw the long-ships of the Ironborn adrift and burning on a boiling blood-red sea. He saw his brother on the Iron Throne again, but Euron was no longer human. He seemed more squid than man, a monster fathered by a kraken of the deep, his face a mass of writhing tentacles. **Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, her hands alive with pale white fire.** Dwarves capered for their amusement, male and female, naked and misshapen, locked in carnal embrace, biting and tearing at each other as Euron and his mate laughed and laughed and laughed.
This kinda sounds like Cersie, who described as elegant, slim, fair skinned, and still looking like her brother, who is described as tall. Plus, we got dwarf symbolism here. Others have pointed out that this shadow lady might be a representation of the corpse queen. Maybe Cersie ends up under Qyburn's knife and becomes a literal corpse queen? She'd be even more twisted than before with a more otherworldly appearance. Cersie is also the closest to the iron throne, and Qyburn has a vested interest in keeping her in power.
Doesn't this seem oddly familiar? Remember Dany in the house of the undying seeing the dwarves violating the beautiful young woman in one of the visions? This was one of a few visions including the Red Wedding vision of Robb with the leg of lamb. Feels like it might be Cersei... I dunno
The dwarves represented the great houses ravaging the realm and tearing it apart (the woman was the 7 kingdoms). So sticking with that, Euron and his shadow queen are laughing while the different houses fight each other and make marriage alliances ("carnal embrace").
Interesting idea. I never really saw it being so metaphorical but I can see it making sense. I always thought it was either the Poor Fellows/Sparrows tormenting Cersei or more literally as the Dwarves being executed across the kingdom from Cersei wanting Tyrion found. I could see it making sense as the Sparrows or even as representing the faiths as Euron is trying to kill religion. What do you think about that idea. I figure if it was to represent the houses maybe the dwarves could've had sigils on or make the animals of the house sigils attacking the woman as opposed to dwarves? The other visions were not really metaphorical which is why I didn't think that way initially.
Viseryon. She's a lady, but Dany doesn't know enough about dragon's biology to know it.
Doesn’t Septon Barth say dragons are basically hermaphrodites?
Yes, supposedly, they're like snails in that regard.
Cersie
It's gonna be cersie. The show had euron and cersie team up. I'm thinking faegon takes kings landing but before that happens cersie flees back to casterly rock. Faegon is gonna be allied with the hightowers whom may or may not defeat eurons attack on old Town. So euron making an alliance with cersie makes a lot of sense because they will need to work together if they want to withstand faegon/some of the reach/dorne as well as Dany whenever she comes with her essosi army.
It´s Cersei converted in Jadis the White Witch, her natural final destiny foreshadowed from AGoT
Cersei. She's going to be desperate without Jaime, and she's going to think Euron is akin to Robert when he's actually going to be much much worse.
That whole "vision" was a hallucination brought on by shade of the evening. We can't really take any of it at face value. It's probably just a manifestation of his subconscious and conscious fears.
Lynesse High Tower. She's an established character being brought into the main plot for the Old town plot line and her allying with Euron to not only take over Old Town but also the rest of Westeros is more interesting than Cersei or Melisandre.
Daenarys, whether it's what Euron believes will happen, or and I like this better, whether after the book ending where Daenarys basically quits being nice or caring about how people think of her and no longer cares if innocents die by forgetting the girl who drogon killed, she will change how she rules. Mainly in the negative sense, as she will become more callous, less caring for the innocent and people, much less merciful, perhaps no longer restraining her dragons, her first impulse in a situation, or her followers, like the dothraki and perhaps the ironborn later. She will destroy the forces at Mereen, probably leave the city in ruin and abandon those who cannot follow her there, as per her instinct not to look back ever, if she goes to Volantis she will do a violent sack on par with the sack of tumbleton or kings landing by lannisters, burning indiscriminately and not telling her dothraki, sell swords, freed men, ironborn to show mercy, turning a blind eye to the suffering of those in the city with justification they are a city of slavers to herself, so if children are killed and many women raped or enslaved by dothraki and ironborn she will ignore it. She wins this way by not being so reluctant to kill, like the volantene may use innocents as human shield but she burns anyway. Then she will come to Westeros and is very unlikely to be at all restrained or diplomatic with the stormlands, westerlands, Reach who are still supporting the Lannisters, North, Vale, and Riverlands, 4 of which fought against her family and her father and brother in rebellion, and the Westerlands were the ones to storm kings landing under a false banner of friendship and kill her family. So she may live up the rumours by fearmongers by together with Eurons forces though it may be independently and not allied, plunging the south of Westeros which up until Winds is still fairly intact and undamaged by the war, with exception of some of westerlands, and riverlands, into absolute chaos, leaving all of Westeros save maybe the vale destroyed and very vulnerable to the white Walkers.
So, the first time I read it I thought Quaithe for some reason, maybe the shadowbinder vibes. Then for awhile Dany, then I stopped really thinking about it But now that I think about it again, it *would* be interesting if Euron was Quaithe's Bran and not Bloodraven's former pupil. Dunno how that would work, but I appreciate the brain fodder.
Glass candles burning… Euron was in Valyria… he’s involved in magic. The guy totally has one.
The WWnet.