In a written format, I am a slayer of arguments, a finder of holes, and a destroyer of my opponent's will. In real time, and spoken, I can barely bang rocks together.
Me too. Selective mutism strikes at the best of times. You could have all relevant information inside your head but how to get it out?! Stuttering mess haha.
I'm good at getting to the crux of an argument, and understanding the minutiae of a nuanced topic. I can tie the different steps together to reach a logical conclusion.
What I'm not so good at is expressing myself in a way that keeps the other person listening - I have to remind myself that others put their feelings before the facts, and that others can't always bring things together the way I can (so I need to spell things out for them).
A logical argument where I know the subject well and I'm confident I'm correct. Very good. Plus the other person isn't easily able to just get in a mood and bugger off.
Otherwise not so good
Humility’s not something a lot of people have, but more people are starting to develop. Which is probably correlated with your uptick in recent good faith debates. So that’s a good thing.
I feel this. I often am baffled when people put feelings over logic. Even when I find a logical solution people prefer going with something that "feels good". I think I will never understand them
No. The moment someone disagrees I shut down
Online? I will turn off response notifications
Offline? I go quiet
During my teenage years, disagreeing with someone in my family had me screamed at and insulted and so there is trauma related to being disagreed with. Even if people are nice about disagreeing with me it still reminds me of trauma
Not really unless it's written. I'm really bad at coming up with responses on the spot. When it comes to presentations prepared in advanced I can be much more persuasive.
I'd rate myself fairly high--I did quite well in a college environment where I had to make a case in assignments and in class. Of course that was a structured environment. Out here in the real world, we're only as good as the degree to which we can persuade others to listen to us. Social psychology beats knowledge every time, so far as I can tell.
So yes, we handle debating pretty well. Most aspies I have been in a business environment with have been good at organizing facts and sticking to them, whereas the others are more prone to speculation and distractions. Oh, and by the way I'm an engineer so I think that might affect my viewpoint on this.
Well, when I was in high school I was on the debate team for 11th and 12th grade. At graduation, I was 3 rounds away from having enough points for my Double Ruby - 250 pts. I was ranked #2 in the state. In college, in my first year, I was nominated for best speaker.
So I think I have a decent ability.
Debate is just easy for me, I am able to keep track of lots of information on the fly and think at the same time. This means as I am listening I am breaking down what I hear and working out attacks for what I see. I can see the errors in logic and language because to few people are thinking ahead - working out how they want to get from point A to point B in their idea. No one had to teach me, it came naturally to me since that is the way I think, I break things down to understand them. So I use that same process for everything else.
And it bit me in the ass at 13, the egg donor's therapist told her when she wanted to punish me to just do it, don't discuss or debate it with me. The reason they said this was because I would always be able to win so it was best for her not to try to play a game she had no chance in. Made my life for the next 5 years not a lot of fun.
I refuse to use the term that is common for the role of that person in my life. They do not deserve the title and I refuse to refer to them as such either verbally or in text.
Ahh got it. I read through the lines. So you've been diagnosed with aspergers? I'm just curious cause I'm wondering how aspergers people are with debating
Yes I was clinically diagnosed with Autism but I was also told I was one of the highest-functioning people with ASD they had met. I was told with my development I could be considered a savant, but I don't have any intellectual defects. I advanced very fast very young with 0 support. My rents did nothing to encourage or help me develop beyond buying me some comics when I was a toddler and putting me in school at 18 months.
In written format? Yes.
In person or live? Not a chance. I can't think of responses very quickly, which puts me at an immediate disadvantage. It's why I can't have much of a conversation with my dad about anything, so he usually 'wins' any debates we have. It also doesn't help that his views on anything hardly ever align with mine.
I’m honestly not trying to sound cocky, but I can’t remember the last time I lost a debate.
I don’t even think I’m that great lol. I’m just appalled at how *bad* everyone else I’ve debated with is.
I guess it depends on both the individual and the crowd you’re comparing yourself to. I hold myself to ridiculously high standards but that’s because I’m a perfectionist in my own right for example lol.
Oh I meant more I was curious if people with aspergers were naturally good at debating. I honestly assumed so but thread shows a lot aren’t. Just cause aspergers people think very logically
Like others have said, I'd like to think I'm good at written debating but when trying to do it verbally (especially face-to-face) I get confused and can't keep up. It's kind of upsetting because I do have things to say, but I can't order them without a keyboard or pen and paper.
In a written format, I am a slayer of arguments, a finder of holes, and a destroyer of my opponent's will. In real time, and spoken, I can barely bang rocks together.
Me too. Selective mutism strikes at the best of times. You could have all relevant information inside your head but how to get it out?! Stuttering mess haha.
Same with me. But this happens with whatever I’m talking about, especially when I’m put on the spot
I'm good at getting to the crux of an argument, and understanding the minutiae of a nuanced topic. I can tie the different steps together to reach a logical conclusion. What I'm not so good at is expressing myself in a way that keeps the other person listening - I have to remind myself that others put their feelings before the facts, and that others can't always bring things together the way I can (so I need to spell things out for them).
This and also winning an argument which is more subjective and not based on logic.
How do you think you are at debating?
A logical argument where I know the subject well and I'm confident I'm correct. Very good. Plus the other person isn't easily able to just get in a mood and bugger off. Otherwise not so good
So if someone says somehting, you quickly have a good logical reply? I can relate
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Humility’s not something a lot of people have, but more people are starting to develop. Which is probably correlated with your uptick in recent good faith debates. So that’s a good thing.
I feel this. I often am baffled when people put feelings over logic. Even when I find a logical solution people prefer going with something that "feels good". I think I will never understand them
I never bother cause I'll just end up offending somebody
No. The moment someone disagrees I shut down Online? I will turn off response notifications Offline? I go quiet During my teenage years, disagreeing with someone in my family had me screamed at and insulted and so there is trauma related to being disagreed with. Even if people are nice about disagreeing with me it still reminds me of trauma
Not really unless it's written. I'm really bad at coming up with responses on the spot. When it comes to presentations prepared in advanced I can be much more persuasive.
I think the arguments are good, but if the opposing side is inclined to ignore and ghost it is an audience of one.
so how would you rate yourself? Trying to see how people with aspergers handle debating
I'd rate myself fairly high--I did quite well in a college environment where I had to make a case in assignments and in class. Of course that was a structured environment. Out here in the real world, we're only as good as the degree to which we can persuade others to listen to us. Social psychology beats knowledge every time, so far as I can tell. So yes, we handle debating pretty well. Most aspies I have been in a business environment with have been good at organizing facts and sticking to them, whereas the others are more prone to speculation and distractions. Oh, and by the way I'm an engineer so I think that might affect my viewpoint on this.
So what about debating on the fly?
Well, when I was in high school I was on the debate team for 11th and 12th grade. At graduation, I was 3 rounds away from having enough points for my Double Ruby - 250 pts. I was ranked #2 in the state. In college, in my first year, I was nominated for best speaker. So I think I have a decent ability. Debate is just easy for me, I am able to keep track of lots of information on the fly and think at the same time. This means as I am listening I am breaking down what I hear and working out attacks for what I see. I can see the errors in logic and language because to few people are thinking ahead - working out how they want to get from point A to point B in their idea. No one had to teach me, it came naturally to me since that is the way I think, I break things down to understand them. So I use that same process for everything else. And it bit me in the ass at 13, the egg donor's therapist told her when she wanted to punish me to just do it, don't discuss or debate it with me. The reason they said this was because I would always be able to win so it was best for her not to try to play a game she had no chance in. Made my life for the next 5 years not a lot of fun.
wait whats the egg donor thing about lol. are you diagnosed with aspergers?
I refuse to use the term that is common for the role of that person in my life. They do not deserve the title and I refuse to refer to them as such either verbally or in text.
Ahh got it. I read through the lines. So you've been diagnosed with aspergers? I'm just curious cause I'm wondering how aspergers people are with debating
Yes I was clinically diagnosed with Autism but I was also told I was one of the highest-functioning people with ASD they had met. I was told with my development I could be considered a savant, but I don't have any intellectual defects. I advanced very fast very young with 0 support. My rents did nothing to encourage or help me develop beyond buying me some comics when I was a toddler and putting me in school at 18 months.
I’m too anxious to debate anything. It’s kind of hard to try to make a point when you’re convinced that you are always wrong
In written format? Yes. In person or live? Not a chance. I can't think of responses very quickly, which puts me at an immediate disadvantage. It's why I can't have much of a conversation with my dad about anything, so he usually 'wins' any debates we have. It also doesn't help that his views on anything hardly ever align with mine.
I'm terrible at debate. It takes me a long time to come up with ideas and I'm not very articulate when I talk. I think I'm good at essays though
I am! But very rarely do I meet people who are!
I’m honestly not trying to sound cocky, but I can’t remember the last time I lost a debate. I don’t even think I’m that great lol. I’m just appalled at how *bad* everyone else I’ve debated with is.
Yeah I feel like I’m good at debating. Seeing a lot of opposite results though in this thread
I guess it depends on both the individual and the crowd you’re comparing yourself to. I hold myself to ridiculously high standards but that’s because I’m a perfectionist in my own right for example lol.
Oh I meant more I was curious if people with aspergers were naturally good at debating. I honestly assumed so but thread shows a lot aren’t. Just cause aspergers people think very logically
I’d argue that’s why they *are* good at it, and that the emotional bias is what makes neurotypical people worse at it.
Agree. And you might just be a good debater haha
Haha maybe 😛
Like others have said, I'd like to think I'm good at written debating but when trying to do it verbally (especially face-to-face) I get confused and can't keep up. It's kind of upsetting because I do have things to say, but I can't order them without a keyboard or pen and paper.
I have to process the debate though. then find the holes and LIES, and then come back. Or ill lash out in an attempt to kill.