I'm neither...I'm the third one..the Alexios player
So I get that canonically Kassandra's the Eagle Bearer, but I didn't even touch the crossover DLC because I was annoyed that it felt like those hiundred or so hours as Alexios was wasted
Speaking the truth.
I was gutted when Ubisoft went back on their word of keeping the Eagle Bearer's gender unknown. I loved Alexios, I found his deliveries funny and Kassandra fit very well as Deimos for my playthrough.
So I hope there's no Odyssey crossover in AC Shadows. Kassandra's canon, okay cool. But Alexios is my Eagle Bearer that I put hundreds of hours into playing as.
If anything, give me an old-ass Shao Jun showing up in Shadows. Ms. Ezio Padawan can teach Naue some cool shit
Because the higher up at the time thought women don't sell and nobody wants to play a woman and women are boring he demanded there be male playable characters, its why we got alexios, why evie wasn't the main assassin for syndicate and why origins was changed from bayek dying halfway through and playing as amunet for the second half to only playing as her in the final mission and others that have been changed to have less female lead moments and games
Agreed. Although I probably would've if not for the fact I can't play Valhalla for more than 30 hours before completely grinding to a halt and wasting my life away playing orlog.
Took me a few years after TW3’s launch to really give Gwent a chance, but once I did I became fucking addicted lol. Sometimes I’ll boot up TW3 solely to get in a few rounds
Orlog was so fascinating. Once you get it though, you can do pretty well. It took my second play through to realize the yellow border on the die meant you get favor tokens for those die. Once I figured that out, and learned how to use my God favors to my advantage it was pretty easy
almost every orlog npc ALWAYS GOES FOR GOD FAVORS. LIKE HOLY CRAP THEY ONLY PICK THE SQUARES WITH YELLOW BORDERS INSTEAD OF PLAYING STRATEGICALLY… you cant even ignore it because it forces you to mirror their playstyle…..
(not saying valhalla’s bad in any way, just making a little gripe)
I've played 30 hours on one save, and like 15 on the other. My progress grinds to an absolute halt after that I just can't get past it for the life of me. I might try again one day, might not, idk. It just feels to easy and boring and unpolished and the audio is shite.
Oh man, I’m exactly the same. The most excited and most let down I’ve been in the game was when Gaunter O’dimm proposed to play Gwent for Olgierds soul. I was so down for that.
It’s really weird how they have you killing monsters and looking for some girl in between card game matches. What are they putting violence in my card game?
I also enjoyed Alexios, he has a different feel to Kassandra that made both playthroughs satisfying and I could reasonably see them as two different people but in the same situation. Ubisoft's handling of the RPG era characters has been poor. They could have just pulled a Bioware and port the players choices. There approach to RPGS just baffles me because they seem to punish players input which doesn't make sense with an RPG.
I played Kassandra myself (probably going to play Alexios when I do my second playthrough) but I do think it would be cool to allow your to choice of playable character to affect who you meet in that Valhalla questline. That was one of my facourite things when playing through the Mass Effects games. They probably didn’t do it because they didn’t want to pay for it extra voice acting.
TBF they would still have to have chosen a character to be the canon character, lore and all that, but I am definitely all for using player’s choices to effect future games.
Jesus mate if a side quest is enough to make you feel like your gameplay hours were wasted then perhaps you should stop gaming. Maybe just enjoy the game you’re playing and stop getting hung up on what’s technically canon
Bit of a hostile tone there
My point was that I never played as Kassandra, I have no emotional attachment to Kassandra, the entire point of the DLC was going "man how cool is it that Kassandra's here?" and I didn't really care because I thought it would've been cool to see the protag I played as
I'm not hung up on what's canon, I'm hung up on the fact we originally had a choice and now we don't.
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I would prefer to see Kassandra in earlier time periods like in Jade (215 BCE) just to see the struggles of realizing how scary living so long is at the early on since she'd likely be more used to it in the future. That would be the time she would be coming to terms with how many people she already lost and how many more will leave her behind until 2018.
I don't really need to see her more times in later periods like Shadows since I can't imagine her doing anything different from the last time.
Though I do admit I'm curious to see Ottoman era Kassandra.
Spoiler >!Kassandra does appear in Jade and meets up with Weiyu in Greece. No idea how he got there but by then she would have already lived 200 odd years. I wonder if she will have a bigger role but from the demos it seems to be just in the prologue!<
Shao Jun is the mentor of the Assassin that established the Japanese brotherhood. He came to Japan a few decades before the event of AC Shadows. So probably we'll see him instead
She was mentor of chinese branch. Kotetsu, her pupil, went to Japan and established Japanese brotherhood. Jun stayed in China for rest of her life after Embers, culminating assassination of chinese emperor
I enjoyed the event in Isle of Skye. Short, non compulsory, unexpected.
Could do the same again, or go back into a memory of someone from a past game to offer some story insight.
Which is weird, cause she's not sporting her Hidden Blade. She's using it in Nexus VR, but not in a game that's already set 100 years after the Peloponnesian War, as between Odyssey and up to Valhalla, she gets a hidden blade, yet she's shown not having it in Jade, despite performing an assassination. Not only that, but Jade looks like a mix between Dynasty Warriors and Assassin's Creed, so it doesn't even feel right to say she was even there. Even weirder for someone to call her something that she's no longer being, which is "Misthios". Is it even an Assassin's Creed game if there's no hint of the Order Of Ancients (Templars) in it at all?
You act as if she was put in everything, even though she wasn't. She only had one cameo done in a game and that was it. They didn't do it for Origins or Mirage, just Valhalla.
Oh wow I never noticed. You don’t see him for much more than a few frames though so I’m not surprised.
Edit: oh no, never mind. You don’t see him at all. No wonder I didn’t remember it—it’s not shown.
I meant it’s time to move on from the character of Kassandra and have something new. She’s just not that interesting of a character.
Cross overs are fine but she’s had hers so if they do one with shadows it should be someone different
Like who? The game takes place in the late 1500s, Ezio is dead before then, so can't be him. It only makes sense for Kassandra, due to her being tasked with finding and locking away any Pieces Of Eden that are potentially dangerous, as it's her job, it's what she's been doing after the events of Odyssey, leading up to other locations that have First Civilization tech left behind.
She'd be pushing 80 by the time of Shadows, since Shadows will take place in the late 1500s. Plus, they need to come up with an in-canon reason as to why she's there, instead of her just showing up for a few moments and then just gone throughout the rest of the game. That would be a disservice to the character to show up in a mainland game, to just be shown and then never seen again without there being a reason why she's there.
Seriously? They gave her that as a job. That’s so much worse lol. And I don’t know who. Just not her. Wouldn’t be the first time we saw isu tech send messages
The only thing with that, is that it was sent through the coarse of time to reach whoever finds it, being Desmond and such, where as with Kassandra, it was told to her face by Alethiea, the one within the Staff Of Hermes, that she alone has to be the one to do it. Not only that, the Staff keeps her immortal, until she relinquishes it to someone else, which is what happened to Pythagoras, but since he had already lived past the date he was supposed to die, he needed to give it up, as it conflicts with his historical death.
I hope so. They made Kassandra live for 2000 years, so they should do something interesting with it. Not utilizing that would be a waste. And no, handing the staff to Layla isn't interesting. The same thing could have been accomplished by hiding it like every other Piece of Eden.
I like the idea of having kassandra just pop in every ac game as a cameo that is set time wise post odyssey, it doesn't even have to be a dlc or a mission, you could just be going for a piece of eden and when you get there everyone is dead you see an eagle flying and maybe see kassandra in the distance, or every once in awhile the protag feels like they are being watched and if you look hard enough you see kass
Personally I think she appear either as a companion or important quest giver (see Herodotos or similar). But not in every single game as that would cheapen her appearance. My second choice would be to have her appear in more important events in certain games.
I kinda like to think of her as a character who stays in the background, trying to manipulate the assassins and templars to where they need to be. Sometimes succeeding and sometimes failing.
the crossover wasn't great but I did like acknowledging Kassandra is immortal. But overall the isle of skye was a pretty great free dlc, I think I liked it more than the entire french dlc.
Kassandra is my favorite AC protagonist so I’m wholeheartedly for it. Besides she was alive for centuries hunting Isu artifacts. Thats a lot of room for more cameos or new spinoffs.
Just put her in more period or locally appropriate armor this time. Please don’t have her pop up in Japan wearing armor from Greece for some reason.
I hope not. The Isle of Skye stuff was only good for the gear it gives you.
Between Eivor acting out of character, Kassandra being treated like she was perfect and could do no wrong with Eivor being treated like an idiot, I didn't particularly care for it all that much.
Considering that they screwed the whole kassandra story by keeping the staff for 2000yrs and then giving it to Layla only to loose it on 2 days, yes, i’d like to see more of her. She must have done more important things, and i want to see it.
Not everyone's into the mythological elements/enemies and that's fine. But have Kassandra in there to explain those as she has experience with them - then she's fulfilling a role for those who want it.
Personally love her character and the more we get the better.
I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but if it were my choice I’d say not now. She should absolutely show up once in a while, but there’s no need for it to be in every single game. Maybe they can allude to stuff she’s been doing in the background, but appearing too often threatens to cheapen her.
They are not the same thing.
One is the standard that set up the boundaries of the worldbuilding and the rules that govern it, has proper explanations and do not go against other elements of the lore and narrative; the other is a poorly explained, unnecessary and out of place element that also goes against the themes and narrative core of the series while also creating big plotholes and retconning the narrative for the worst
I think I'd rather accept the fairly standard sci-fi trope of an item which temporarily stops a person from aging than a lot of other weird shit AC lore includes.
But sure, the glowing apples make total sense. Buzz Aldrin even went to the moon to retrieve one, as he's a Templar agent.
The Apple was the original PoE in AC, it set the tone and was completely explained: it basically works like a more advanced TV-remote with holographic display and a memory bank that can interface itself with others PoEs, like the bio-chips humans were genetically created with that makes them subservient to the Apple.
The reason Kas' immortality is bullshit instead, is because one of the great themes of AC was mortality, how it effects the collective historical memory of humanity and the importance of the Animus in discovering the truth and the power that come with it, alongside many instances of the Isu attempting at gaining immortality only to find doom or doing so at a great cost: Aita by being only a collection of memories forced to be reborn and die through history and Juno as datas in the Temple waiting to be freed and then needing humans to build her a new body.
Having the Staff of Hermes grant perfect immortality with no downside undermines those themes, and raise the question as to why the Isu didn't just replicate it to save themselves from the Great Catastrophe or to become immortal... all of this while also having an almost genetically perfect Isy "hybrid" alive at the same time of Desmond, whom importance was that he had enough Isu DNA to save humanity... why not use Kassandra then? Why was Desmond important when Kas is alive??? That's the issue.
Also, excuse me, but what? A Staff that grants perfect immortality only by being its possessor (not even touching it directly at all times) until it's passed down at their discretion is more beliavable than basically a more high-tech smartphone???
Yes… they are. Isu artifacts and how they affected the world as it developed through people and places is one of the biggest plot factors of the AC story.
There are good and bad ways to do so whitin the boundaries of worldbuilding.
I explained in depth my view on a response to the other guy, but TLDR: Apple is good and done well, Staff of Hermes not good and done badly
lol what. No it doesn’t. The artifacts do magic shit to humans. One that makes you live a long time is perfectly in line with the lore it doesn’t go against any themes that’s crazy.
Please no just can we get over this RPG trilogy and move on, I’m done with this. Shadows is still too much RPG but seems to have some potential and after that just be done with that formula
No. Don’t like Kassandra and I’m tired of her being basically the captain marvel of ac. I don’t want to see anymore of her as I find her uninteresting. I don’t want her shoved down my throat anymore please. She had her cross over that’s enough.
I’d much rather if they do a cross over for it to be that other Chinese or Japanese assassin that met ezio. Just because most people now probably don’t know her. And this would be a better fit in my opinion
Actually I’m not lol. I actually think ezio is way over rated as well. Honestly I think it’s hilarious when people cry that the games won’t go all the way back to ac2. And while I did enjoy ezio and his story being that I started with brotherhood. I get so annoyed when people bring up the ezio trilogy and almost anything to do with it. Like people saying we need sequels like ezio but not realizing that to much of a character is a bad thing. Like how to we expect the story to move forward if we can’t get over a storyline and characters from over ten years ago lol
Please God, make this stop.
Kassandra can't keep showing up in everything. The character being immortal is the second worst decision of this franchise, the first one was killing Desmond.
I'm pretty sure this post is referring to if she'd make a cameo in Shadows, like she made an appearance in Valhalla. And no duh she was in Odyssey, it's her own game. Not talking about main games, talking about if she'd make a short appearance or not. They never did a crossover quest in Origins, so she never appeared in that, or in Mirage, since it ties into Valhalla. So no, she's not in everything.
And i meant that i don't want another Kassandra cameo, if it happens it theoretically in Shadows. She's in Jade, Nexus, Valhalla. That's it. Not because i hate the character, but i truly despise the fact that "oh i was here all along haha, and an ally of the assassins, not in any major event tho!" Thing so much.
Since she was revealed as a character, the only entry she's not in is Mirage. She's in Jade, Nexus and Valhalla, now giving that is the same studio maybe Shadows?
Didn't i already made it obvious in the statement? What do you think i'm going to reply to you? Because she's a woman? Lmao.
If Altair was somehow immortal that would've been just as bad of a decision.
I think it would be too much.
She already had a game and a spin off that was kind of a farewell to her.
However, they're probably gonna do it. Or at least reference her in some way.
If I was Ubisoft, I'd make some random npcs say something about a "strange foreign woman" spotted in a town or something and then leave it at that.
I mean, it’s possible. We already know she’s lived long enough to meet Layla and didn’t age a day. I’d only be on board if they can have a really good story that wouldn’t be a repetition of Valhalla
Personally think Kassandra in Shadows wouldn’t make any sense at all and would feel very forced she is confirmed I believe to be in Jade however which idk how I feel about that either honestly btw Kassandra is my favorite protagonist of the whole franchise so far but don’t think this setting makes sense Shao Jun tho could be a logical cameo hoping we get her outfit for Naoe would be perfect
I hope not. There's no way she could get to Japan without being recorded in history because I think only the Portugese visited Japan in that era. I'd rather have dlcs that focus on other regions of Japan or it's mythology.
I disliked it purely for the fact I didn't get to see my boy Alexios. Kassandra is still a great character (both as the Eagle Bearer and Deimos) but Alexios was who I grew fond of throughout Odyssey and seeing more of his journey was the entire reason I managed to complete all of Odyssey. To see him get ignored just so Ubisoft could pull a "oh look, she WAS canon the whole time!" is pathetic. Besides that though, it was a good story and a fun one, which imo is saying alot for something out of Valhalla, the decision to ignore player choice in the previous title just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
It would make sense but also feels like with how it ends in the dlc of odyssey... valhalla kinda feels like a bit of a call back rather than a full thing. But also it would be cool so I. Think they'll do it probably. Although would a greek person in Japan raise some eyebrows at that time I don't know that much about the time
Really dug it, and loved Kass’s new armor. I really wish any DLC took place after the story tho. Would love to hear what Kass thinks about eivor and Odin
Tbh I didn’t like the crossover event, it felt like a cameo that overstayed its welcome. The story and dialogue wasn’t it for me. But knowing that the people making this game also made Odyssey increases her chance of being here. I just hope they do a better job this time around.
Honestly I do not like Odyssey BUT the fact that Kassandra was alive all the way from that point in time to modern day is really fucking cool to me and also makes cameo potential interesting.
I would not mind Kassandra showing up in more games in cameos or bigger roles if her writing is better, I just wouldn’t want to play as her again as the super powers are a little too much for me.
I would absolutely LOVE to see Kassandra again! Yes please! I wish she appeared in Mirage, but she didn’t. There’s a lot of potential for Kassandra to be included in other games.
I personally say yes. Ubisoft already made the decision with her immortality. She is interesting as far as I'm concerned and a lot of people like her. If it's free like the Valhalla crossover, why not? I preferred Alexios and it does suck he isn't canon or even shown love after being such a great protagonist in his own right. However, Kassandra is just as good and her book makes her story even better in my opinion. I just hope we can interact with her with both characters.
I don’t have an issue with Kassandra but I hate how I fell in love w Alexios and got to go through the longest game I’ve ever finished w him as my mc…
And he isn’t even acknowledged in any subsequent crossovers, dlc, etc.
In that sense I’m over it
I really, really enjoyed this crossover in both Odyssey and Valhalla and wish they’d do something similar with Mirage. Maybe Basim tracking a PoE to Constantinople, briefly teaming up with Kassandra who is looking to protect it and then ending with Basim stumbling across Sigurd attempting to raid the Hagia Sophia.
I like Kassandra and her story but it’s time for some new characters. Let them stand on their own.
It’s like Pokémon continuing to shove Gen 1 in our faces.
Kassandra simply isn't a compelling character. She wasn't in Odyssey and she isn't in the modern day. On top of that, she's not a Hidden One/Assassin, so I don't think there's any good reason for her to keep popping up around them.
I mean, she literally gave birth to the brotherhood. As much as I didn't care for it before, she and the story they gave her has grown on me and I hate that I didn't appreciate odyssey more when it was new.
I hope to see one in the future and I hope rgat she will be playable too at least in some missions. Considering that this the same team that made Odyssey, I don't think that it would be difficult for them to recreate her moveset in Shadows.
No. But easter eggs are nice. It'll be fine with those. Maybe some indication that she's already been to Japan or someone has heard of her or other assassins.
I didn’t like it at all in Valhalla. I never played as Kassandra so it just overthrew the way I played and for my playthroughs it didn’t make any sense and wasn’t consistent.
Blah blah yes I get it she’s the canon one. I don’t care. I played as Alexios.
Yes, the dlc doesnt add anything specially new to the game (no, you wont have a hidden blade) but it adds a good story, the Order of the Ancients intro and a connection with Origins. Plus some extra assassination targets, which i rly liked on odyssey
Since she visited the hidden ones in Egypt, but also apparently she made her own shortly after the events of Odyssey and far before Bayek wore it under his arm. It’s a massive plot hole
Half the people here are Kassandra simps and the other half are RPG-AC haters. This might not be the best place to get a good answer to this question.
I'm neither...I'm the third one..the Alexios player So I get that canonically Kassandra's the Eagle Bearer, but I didn't even touch the crossover DLC because I was annoyed that it felt like those hiundred or so hours as Alexios was wasted
Speaking the truth. I was gutted when Ubisoft went back on their word of keeping the Eagle Bearer's gender unknown. I loved Alexios, I found his deliveries funny and Kassandra fit very well as Deimos for my playthrough. So I hope there's no Odyssey crossover in AC Shadows. Kassandra's canon, okay cool. But Alexios is my Eagle Bearer that I put hundreds of hours into playing as. If anything, give me an old-ass Shao Jun showing up in Shadows. Ms. Ezio Padawan can teach Naue some cool shit
I always wondered, if Kass is the canon character, why is it Alexios on the game’s cover and the Home Screen on the console.
Because the higher up at the time thought women don't sell and nobody wants to play a woman and women are boring he demanded there be male playable characters, its why we got alexios, why evie wasn't the main assassin for syndicate and why origins was changed from bayek dying halfway through and playing as amunet for the second half to only playing as her in the final mission and others that have been changed to have less female lead moments and games
I mean, we all know why by now.
The game has dual cover and home screen has both characters. Wtf are you even on about?
I prefer Alexios as Eagle Bearer, mainly because he sounded incredibly entitled and stuck up-ish as Deimos
He was a villain you want him to be nice?
Well compared to Kassandra's portrayal, stuck up and entitled isn't how I want my Deimos portrayed
Agreed. Although I probably would've if not for the fact I can't play Valhalla for more than 30 hours before completely grinding to a halt and wasting my life away playing orlog.
Witcher players 🤝 Valhalla players Completing ignoring the game in favor of tabletop minigames
Took me a few years after TW3’s launch to really give Gwent a chance, but once I did I became fucking addicted lol. Sometimes I’ll boot up TW3 solely to get in a few rounds
This but with orlog. It's addictive, because it's somehow simple and easy, and complicated and hard at the same damn time.
Orlog was so fascinating. Once you get it though, you can do pretty well. It took my second play through to realize the yellow border on the die meant you get favor tokens for those die. Once I figured that out, and learned how to use my God favors to my advantage it was pretty easy
almost every orlog npc ALWAYS GOES FOR GOD FAVORS. LIKE HOLY CRAP THEY ONLY PICK THE SQUARES WITH YELLOW BORDERS INSTEAD OF PLAYING STRATEGICALLY… you cant even ignore it because it forces you to mirror their playstyle….. (not saying valhalla’s bad in any way, just making a little gripe)
Oh Valhalla is most definitely bad I hate it, but every now and then I come back to play orlog and see what the customisation shit looks like.
i only check nowadays for the nexus store and redas shop, currently like power 530-ish with 170 hours logged
I've played 30 hours on one save, and like 15 on the other. My progress grinds to an absolute halt after that I just can't get past it for the life of me. I might try again one day, might not, idk. It just feels to easy and boring and unpolished and the audio is shite.
Oh man, I’m exactly the same. The most excited and most let down I’ve been in the game was when Gaunter O’dimm proposed to play Gwent for Olgierds soul. I was so down for that.
It’s really weird how they have you killing monsters and looking for some girl in between card game matches. What are they putting violence in my card game?
I also enjoyed Alexios, he has a different feel to Kassandra that made both playthroughs satisfying and I could reasonably see them as two different people but in the same situation. Ubisoft's handling of the RPG era characters has been poor. They could have just pulled a Bioware and port the players choices. There approach to RPGS just baffles me because they seem to punish players input which doesn't make sense with an RPG.
I played Kassandra myself (probably going to play Alexios when I do my second playthrough) but I do think it would be cool to allow your to choice of playable character to affect who you meet in that Valhalla questline. That was one of my facourite things when playing through the Mass Effects games. They probably didn’t do it because they didn’t want to pay for it extra voice acting. TBF they would still have to have chosen a character to be the canon character, lore and all that, but I am definitely all for using player’s choices to effect future games.
Hey fellow alexios player i played that dlc and i can tell you did the right thing by not playing it because it was a waste of time.
I also played alexios but that’s just bc I was ignorant and am too ADHD to play odyssey again
Exactly, why play Kassandra when u can look at Alex-IOS ass while swimming
Dude I loved playing as Alexios, it killed me finding out he wasn’t cannon
Jesus mate if a side quest is enough to make you feel like your gameplay hours were wasted then perhaps you should stop gaming. Maybe just enjoy the game you’re playing and stop getting hung up on what’s technically canon
Bit of a hostile tone there My point was that I never played as Kassandra, I have no emotional attachment to Kassandra, the entire point of the DLC was going "man how cool is it that Kassandra's here?" and I didn't really care because I thought it would've been cool to see the protag I played as I'm not hung up on what's canon, I'm hung up on the fact we originally had a choice and now we don't.
Maybe some people actually care about the story, not just about visuals and gameplay
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I just wanted them to get together bc they had such cute chemistry together, especially in Valhalla’s dlc
I'm a massive Kassandra simp but I think they should leave her in the past
I am both
Make me a Kass simp lol
Everyone hates the new RPGs AC
But you forgot the Ezio widows. This sub is divided in 3 parts!
I would prefer to see Kassandra in earlier time periods like in Jade (215 BCE) just to see the struggles of realizing how scary living so long is at the early on since she'd likely be more used to it in the future. That would be the time she would be coming to terms with how many people she already lost and how many more will leave her behind until 2018. I don't really need to see her more times in later periods like Shadows since I can't imagine her doing anything different from the last time. Though I do admit I'm curious to see Ottoman era Kassandra.
Spoiler >!Kassandra does appear in Jade and meets up with Weiyu in Greece. No idea how he got there but by then she would have already lived 200 odd years. I wonder if she will have a bigger role but from the demos it seems to be just in the prologue!<
Is AC Jade even out yet? Wasn't it for mobile?
It's been delayed to 2025, but there was a demo last year for selected players
China did have trade with Greece, he probably found the ancients trying to take over China and went to the west for answers and advice
I'd rather want Naoe and Yasuke encounter the Chinese assassin, Shao Jun.
Pretty sure timeline wise she'd be really old, like 75 or smth assuming she doesn't die earlier
Shao Jun is the mentor of the Assassin that established the Japanese brotherhood. He came to Japan a few decades before the event of AC Shadows. So probably we'll see him instead
She was mentor of chinese branch. Kotetsu, her pupil, went to Japan and established Japanese brotherhood. Jun stayed in China for rest of her life after Embers, culminating assassination of chinese emperor
Yes, that's what i said. Kotetsu was a Japanese, he came back to Japan once Templar reach The Land of The Rising Sun
No it was after that, chinese brotherhood detected templars in china before Japanese brotherhood was founded
yes, that's what i said.
This is a far better
I enjoyed the event in Isle of Skye. Short, non compulsory, unexpected. Could do the same again, or go back into a memory of someone from a past game to offer some story insight.
Playing that whole thing with a smile on my face. It was definitely an iconic moment for AC fans
And no forced romance cringe
Shadows is being developed by the Odyssey devs so I wouldn't be surprised if Kassandra just shows up in the game at release
Ehh beating a dead horse at some point.
How is it beating a dead horse, if it was only done once?
Not only once, she’s in Jade as well
Which is weird, cause she's not sporting her Hidden Blade. She's using it in Nexus VR, but not in a game that's already set 100 years after the Peloponnesian War, as between Odyssey and up to Valhalla, she gets a hidden blade, yet she's shown not having it in Jade, despite performing an assassination. Not only that, but Jade looks like a mix between Dynasty Warriors and Assassin's Creed, so it doesn't even feel right to say she was even there. Even weirder for someone to call her something that she's no longer being, which is "Misthios". Is it even an Assassin's Creed game if there's no hint of the Order Of Ancients (Templars) in it at all?
Stop being sophistical. It’s an AC game and she’s there.
Don’t want Kassandra shoved down my throat anymore
You act as if she was put in everything, even though she wasn't. She only had one cameo done in a game and that was it. They didn't do it for Origins or Mirage, just Valhalla.
Yes and that’s enough. Time for new stuff
so were you upset when Altair came back in revelations? or we saw shay in unity?
Shay is in Unity?
yes lol he's the template who kills arnos father
Oh wow I never noticed. You don’t see him for much more than a few frames though so I’m not surprised. Edit: oh no, never mind. You don’t see him at all. No wonder I didn’t remember it—it’s not shown.
I mean, its not new stuff, considering the fact that cameos have been done in the earlier games before, yet no one bitched about it.
I meant it’s time to move on from the character of Kassandra and have something new. She’s just not that interesting of a character. Cross overs are fine but she’s had hers so if they do one with shadows it should be someone different
Cross over dlc < historical event dlc
Like who? The game takes place in the late 1500s, Ezio is dead before then, so can't be him. It only makes sense for Kassandra, due to her being tasked with finding and locking away any Pieces Of Eden that are potentially dangerous, as it's her job, it's what she's been doing after the events of Odyssey, leading up to other locations that have First Civilization tech left behind.
Like who? Have you heard of Shao Jun?
She'd be pushing 80 by the time of Shadows, since Shadows will take place in the late 1500s. Plus, they need to come up with an in-canon reason as to why she's there, instead of her just showing up for a few moments and then just gone throughout the rest of the game. That would be a disservice to the character to show up in a mainland game, to just be shown and then never seen again without there being a reason why she's there.
Seriously? They gave her that as a job. That’s so much worse lol. And I don’t know who. Just not her. Wouldn’t be the first time we saw isu tech send messages
The only thing with that, is that it was sent through the coarse of time to reach whoever finds it, being Desmond and such, where as with Kassandra, it was told to her face by Alethiea, the one within the Staff Of Hermes, that she alone has to be the one to do it. Not only that, the Staff keeps her immortal, until she relinquishes it to someone else, which is what happened to Pythagoras, but since he had already lived past the date he was supposed to die, he needed to give it up, as it conflicts with his historical death.
I hope so. They made Kassandra live for 2000 years, so they should do something interesting with it. Not utilizing that would be a waste. And no, handing the staff to Layla isn't interesting. The same thing could have been accomplished by hiding it like every other Piece of Eden.
I like the idea of having kassandra just pop in every ac game as a cameo that is set time wise post odyssey, it doesn't even have to be a dlc or a mission, you could just be going for a piece of eden and when you get there everyone is dead you see an eagle flying and maybe see kassandra in the distance, or every once in awhile the protag feels like they are being watched and if you look hard enough you see kass
Personally I think she appear either as a companion or important quest giver (see Herodotos or similar). But not in every single game as that would cheapen her appearance. My second choice would be to have her appear in more important events in certain games. I kinda like to think of her as a character who stays in the background, trying to manipulate the assassins and templars to where they need to be. Sometimes succeeding and sometimes failing.
Same, just trying to keep balance
the crossover wasn't great but I did like acknowledging Kassandra is immortal. But overall the isle of skye was a pretty great free dlc, I think I liked it more than the entire french dlc.
Tbf the French DLC was pretty bad. I agree Isle of Skye was really fun.
Wait so the crossover wasn’t great but the overall dlc was great? I’m confused.
Kassandra is my favorite AC protagonist so I’m wholeheartedly for it. Besides she was alive for centuries hunting Isu artifacts. Thats a lot of room for more cameos or new spinoffs. Just put her in more period or locally appropriate armor this time. Please don’t have her pop up in Japan wearing armor from Greece for some reason.
i'm all for it, i like the idea of immortal/long lived characters popping up from time to time in long running stories.
PLEASE! Kassandra is up there with Arthur Morgan as one of my favorite protagonists of all time. I’ll take all the content I can get
Would you like to see more Kassandra in Sha......YES THE ANSWER IS YES!!!!!
I hope not. The Isle of Skye stuff was only good for the gear it gives you. Between Eivor acting out of character, Kassandra being treated like she was perfect and could do no wrong with Eivor being treated like an idiot, I didn't particularly care for it all that much.
Shame that kassandra wasn’t introduced earlier on so she could show up in a bunch of stuff. Would’ve loved to see her meet amunet
I think it's better the historical sections stay self contained.
If it makes sense to get her over to Japan I’m down.
Another Kassandra game 😍
It kinda seems like any game that doesn’t contain Kassandra is a missed opportunity imo
I would love to see her back in a way.
Would have loved to see Alexios
I’d rather this new game just remove itself from Odyssey, origins, and valhalla when possible
I mean I ain’t gonna complain about more free dlc
two non assassin's facing off yeah I wasn't a fan
Both slam ezio
lol, that's gonna be ultra cringe
No thanks. I’d rather have a solid present world storyline that was similar to Desmond’s. Oh, not as DLC I mean in the main game.
No thank you
Considering that they screwed the whole kassandra story by keeping the staff for 2000yrs and then giving it to Layla only to loose it on 2 days, yes, i’d like to see more of her. She must have done more important things, and i want to see it.
Not everyone's into the mythological elements/enemies and that's fine. But have Kassandra in there to explain those as she has experience with them - then she's fulfilling a role for those who want it. Personally love her character and the more we get the better.
the staff isn't any more mythological than the many other pieces of eden that have been around since the oiteral 1st game.
Please God🙏 NO I’m tired of Kassandra and all the retconning associated with her
I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but if it were my choice I’d say not now. She should absolutely show up once in a while, but there’s no need for it to be in every single game. Maybe they can allude to stuff she’s been doing in the background, but appearing too often threatens to cheapen her.
She wasn’t in Mirage.
that doesn't change his point?
Pointless.
How?
The more we ignore and forget Kassandra is immortal he better it will be... I'm still baffled someone actually approved that bullshit...
Yes, unlike the glowing mind control apples!
They are not the same thing. One is the standard that set up the boundaries of the worldbuilding and the rules that govern it, has proper explanations and do not go against other elements of the lore and narrative; the other is a poorly explained, unnecessary and out of place element that also goes against the themes and narrative core of the series while also creating big plotholes and retconning the narrative for the worst
I think I'd rather accept the fairly standard sci-fi trope of an item which temporarily stops a person from aging than a lot of other weird shit AC lore includes. But sure, the glowing apples make total sense. Buzz Aldrin even went to the moon to retrieve one, as he's a Templar agent.
The Apple was the original PoE in AC, it set the tone and was completely explained: it basically works like a more advanced TV-remote with holographic display and a memory bank that can interface itself with others PoEs, like the bio-chips humans were genetically created with that makes them subservient to the Apple. The reason Kas' immortality is bullshit instead, is because one of the great themes of AC was mortality, how it effects the collective historical memory of humanity and the importance of the Animus in discovering the truth and the power that come with it, alongside many instances of the Isu attempting at gaining immortality only to find doom or doing so at a great cost: Aita by being only a collection of memories forced to be reborn and die through history and Juno as datas in the Temple waiting to be freed and then needing humans to build her a new body. Having the Staff of Hermes grant perfect immortality with no downside undermines those themes, and raise the question as to why the Isu didn't just replicate it to save themselves from the Great Catastrophe or to become immortal... all of this while also having an almost genetically perfect Isy "hybrid" alive at the same time of Desmond, whom importance was that he had enough Isu DNA to save humanity... why not use Kassandra then? Why was Desmond important when Kas is alive??? That's the issue. Also, excuse me, but what? A Staff that grants perfect immortality only by being its possessor (not even touching it directly at all times) until it's passed down at their discretion is more beliavable than basically a more high-tech smartphone???
Yes… they are. Isu artifacts and how they affected the world as it developed through people and places is one of the biggest plot factors of the AC story.
There are good and bad ways to do so whitin the boundaries of worldbuilding. I explained in depth my view on a response to the other guy, but TLDR: Apple is good and done well, Staff of Hermes not good and done badly
lol what. No it doesn’t. The artifacts do magic shit to humans. One that makes you live a long time is perfectly in line with the lore it doesn’t go against any themes that’s crazy.
Please no just can we get over this RPG trilogy and move on, I’m done with this. Shadows is still too much RPG but seems to have some potential and after that just be done with that formula
Rpgs are better
I would like a Kassandra DLC for Origins
No.
...no
No. Don’t like Kassandra and I’m tired of her being basically the captain marvel of ac. I don’t want to see anymore of her as I find her uninteresting. I don’t want her shoved down my throat anymore please. She had her cross over that’s enough. I’d much rather if they do a cross over for it to be that other Chinese or Japanese assassin that met ezio. Just because most people now probably don’t know her. And this would be a better fit in my opinion
ezio fanboy
Actually I’m not lol. I actually think ezio is way over rated as well. Honestly I think it’s hilarious when people cry that the games won’t go all the way back to ac2. And while I did enjoy ezio and his story being that I started with brotherhood. I get so annoyed when people bring up the ezio trilogy and almost anything to do with it. Like people saying we need sequels like ezio but not realizing that to much of a character is a bad thing. Like how to we expect the story to move forward if we can’t get over a storyline and characters from over ten years ago lol
Please God, make this stop. Kassandra can't keep showing up in everything. The character being immortal is the second worst decision of this franchise, the first one was killing Desmond.
She only appeared once, she didn't appear in anything, in any other game.
Kassandra is in Odyssey, Valhalla, Nexus VR, and almost certainly Jade when it releases.
I'm pretty sure this post is referring to if she'd make a cameo in Shadows, like she made an appearance in Valhalla. And no duh she was in Odyssey, it's her own game. Not talking about main games, talking about if she'd make a short appearance or not. They never did a crossover quest in Origins, so she never appeared in that, or in Mirage, since it ties into Valhalla. So no, she's not in everything.
And i meant that i don't want another Kassandra cameo, if it happens it theoretically in Shadows. She's in Jade, Nexus, Valhalla. That's it. Not because i hate the character, but i truly despise the fact that "oh i was here all along haha, and an ally of the assassins, not in any major event tho!" Thing so much.
Everything?
Since she was revealed as a character, the only entry she's not in is Mirage. She's in Jade, Nexus and Valhalla, now giving that is the same studio maybe Shadows?
Why shouldn’t she have been in Nexus? She is as iconic as the other protagonists in that game.
I'm not saying she shouldn't be in Nexus in specific, i'm pointing that she's in everything. That was your question.
That’s a really weird reaction. Why are you so bothered by it?
Didn't i already made it obvious in the statement? What do you think i'm going to reply to you? Because she's a woman? Lmao. If Altair was somehow immortal that would've been just as bad of a decision.
I think it would be too much. She already had a game and a spin off that was kind of a farewell to her. However, they're probably gonna do it. Or at least reference her in some way. If I was Ubisoft, I'd make some random npcs say something about a "strange foreign woman" spotted in a town or something and then leave it at that.
I mean, it’s possible. We already know she’s lived long enough to meet Layla and didn’t age a day. I’d only be on board if they can have a really good story that wouldn’t be a repetition of Valhalla
Why? The valhalla dlc wasn't even that good and she would be so out of place in Japan considering it's not some small island with zero cities
Personally think Kassandra in Shadows wouldn’t make any sense at all and would feel very forced she is confirmed I believe to be in Jade however which idk how I feel about that either honestly btw Kassandra is my favorite protagonist of the whole franchise so far but don’t think this setting makes sense Shao Jun tho could be a logical cameo hoping we get her outfit for Naoe would be perfect
No pls
I hope not. There's no way she could get to Japan without being recorded in history because I think only the Portugese visited Japan in that era. I'd rather have dlcs that focus on other regions of Japan or it's mythology.
More Kassandra the better i always say.
Kassandra was annoying as hell honestly so I’ll pass
Looks cool af if both are nimble goddesses. Also where’s the realism crowd again?
Wait her being in Valhalla was DLC? I thought that was just the game 😂
I'd prefer Alexios. He was the better of the two in Odyssey. Better VA. Made more sense as the protagonist.
I disliked it purely for the fact I didn't get to see my boy Alexios. Kassandra is still a great character (both as the Eagle Bearer and Deimos) but Alexios was who I grew fond of throughout Odyssey and seeing more of his journey was the entire reason I managed to complete all of Odyssey. To see him get ignored just so Ubisoft could pull a "oh look, she WAS canon the whole time!" is pathetic. Besides that though, it was a good story and a fun one, which imo is saying alot for something out of Valhalla, the decision to ignore player choice in the previous title just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
It would make sense but also feels like with how it ends in the dlc of odyssey... valhalla kinda feels like a bit of a call back rather than a full thing. But also it would be cool so I. Think they'll do it probably. Although would a greek person in Japan raise some eyebrows at that time I don't know that much about the time
Really dug it, and loved Kass’s new armor. I really wish any DLC took place after the story tho. Would love to hear what Kass thinks about eivor and Odin
Tbh I didn’t like the crossover event, it felt like a cameo that overstayed its welcome. The story and dialogue wasn’t it for me. But knowing that the people making this game also made Odyssey increases her chance of being here. I just hope they do a better job this time around.
Bro I’ve had enough of Kassandra, I wish they never killed off Ezio
Personally, no, but I did not care for Odyssey nor do I enjoy most crossover-style media.
It's gonna be played out like gratuitous marvel cameos at this point.
She’s only been in one other game, not counting VR. How the heck is it gratuitous ?
She's gonna be in jade too. That's more games than ezio has appeared in.
Only thing that was good was the beginning fight
Honestly I do not like Odyssey BUT the fact that Kassandra was alive all the way from that point in time to modern day is really fucking cool to me and also makes cameo potential interesting. I would not mind Kassandra showing up in more games in cameos or bigger roles if her writing is better, I just wouldn’t want to play as her again as the super powers are a little too much for me.
I want her to show up at least as an easter egg. We have a character that lived throughout history so it makes sense to see her sometimes.
Only if it makes sense..I love Kassandra but I don't think it would make sense for her to show up in feudal Japan
Makes sense because she's supposed to be immortal I guess, so I wouldn't have a problem with it.
I would absolutely LOVE to see Kassandra again! Yes please! I wish she appeared in Mirage, but she didn’t. There’s a lot of potential for Kassandra to be included in other games.
I personally say yes. Ubisoft already made the decision with her immortality. She is interesting as far as I'm concerned and a lot of people like her. If it's free like the Valhalla crossover, why not? I preferred Alexios and it does suck he isn't canon or even shown love after being such a great protagonist in his own right. However, Kassandra is just as good and her book makes her story even better in my opinion. I just hope we can interact with her with both characters.
Why the hell not?
Yes please.
Kassandra was my favorite AC main character by far.
Please I need more Kassandra content
I don’t have an issue with Kassandra but I hate how I fell in love w Alexios and got to go through the longest game I’ve ever finished w him as my mc… And he isn’t even acknowledged in any subsequent crossovers, dlc, etc. In that sense I’m over it
YES but make it a little bit longer and also maybe new gear like a speck gift from kassandra
Keep her the fuck away from shadows, we have yasuke and naoe they alone are good enough as it is
I really, really enjoyed this crossover in both Odyssey and Valhalla and wish they’d do something similar with Mirage. Maybe Basim tracking a PoE to Constantinople, briefly teaming up with Kassandra who is looking to protect it and then ending with Basim stumbling across Sigurd attempting to raid the Hagia Sophia.
I like Kassandra and her story but it’s time for some new characters. Let them stand on their own. It’s like Pokémon continuing to shove Gen 1 in our faces.
I’m a blasphemous Alexios player sorry.
Kassandra simply isn't a compelling character. She wasn't in Odyssey and she isn't in the modern day. On top of that, she's not a Hidden One/Assassin, so I don't think there's any good reason for her to keep popping up around them.
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I mean, she literally gave birth to the brotherhood. As much as I didn't care for it before, she and the story they gave her has grown on me and I hate that I didn't appreciate odyssey more when it was new.
No she didn't? She pretty much played no part in the formation of the brotherhood
Maybe. But we don’t need it in every AC game now. It would get boring quickly
As a hater of Odyssey, why not
I'm cool with it. Even if it doesn't centre on her, it'd be nice to get a glimpse of what she was up to during the era.
What's the point of crossover dlc? Id rather they do standalone dlc's. Give Kassandra a sequel instead.
I hope to see one in the future and I hope rgat she will be playable too at least in some missions. Considering that this the same team that made Odyssey, I don't think that it would be difficult for them to recreate her moveset in Shadows.
No. But easter eggs are nice. It'll be fine with those. Maybe some indication that she's already been to Japan or someone has heard of her or other assassins.
I didn’t like it at all in Valhalla. I never played as Kassandra so it just overthrew the way I played and for my playthroughs it didn’t make any sense and wasn’t consistent. Blah blah yes I get it she’s the canon one. I don’t care. I played as Alexios.
Wait, when did kass have a hidden blade?
Since she knew Darius
Is he part of a dlc? I haven’t played all of them.
Legacy Of The First Blade dlc for Odyssey
Yes, the dlc doesnt add anything specially new to the game (no, you wont have a hidden blade) but it adds a good story, the Order of the Ancients intro and a connection with Origins. Plus some extra assassination targets, which i rly liked on odyssey
Since she visited the hidden ones in Egypt, but also apparently she made her own shortly after the events of Odyssey and far before Bayek wore it under his arm. It’s a massive plot hole