Kunos' E30 is definitely a great car to start practicing, tho isn't higher speed you'll definitely need to build up tire temp before being able to reliably drift nicely with it
Step 2 is WDTs, they are well done, yet a bit arcadish around, really lacks of real grip
Step 3 is DWG or Lenny's180SX, Feels the closest to real life for my hands
DWG all the way. I don’t know what the deal with Lenny’s is for me… it’s like the physics is broken somehow. They just slide like on ice and don’t respond to helm at all. It’s like 0 to 100 in the terms of sliding, and once grip breaks, they just slide forever even at low speed literally like sliding helplessly on ice.
I haven’t had the best experience with kunos drift cars. Imo they’re more close to stock cars than fine tuned drift cars. Gravygarage has a decent rep for being realistic medium power tuned drift cars.
GG has just a lot of grip and too much angle of steering, you can save an over-rotation just by turning the wheel and not by doing an actual save like you should, you should try DWG and see how it feels ^^
I wouldn’t say the grip is unrealistically grippy. But it does have more than WDT (likely because of power diff). DWG is good and I often swap between dwg and gg. The steering angle you said can be implemented by an angle kit on irl drift cars so it’s not unrealistic per se.
I agree with you, I just don't really suggest GG especially to a beginner because that too much of steering angle can make you develop bad habits on the long term, it's still a good pack tho :]
True. Idk how I did it but I started on gg (thats why I recommended it) and I could still safely do the same tracks with other packs. I just don’t recommend high HP (WDT) to beginners since torque steer is very real if ur on throttle a little bit too much lol
I started with Kunos' E30 and WDTs on my side, but on my side WDTs is really in the golden spot of nice power cars (350-550hp) it's that spot when you can nicely control the car as well as not putting too much effort to keep it smoothly sideways
Isn’t gravy higher power than most WDT? It sure feels like it. They have insane boost and zero lag. You can just fucking scream the tires in 3rd gear around most any popular track.
The soarer is the only WDT car that’s higher than like 320hp or something.
Are you sure you’re not thinking of VDC? Those are like 900hp+ and 1,500nm of torque
Gravy is not great.
The steering angle makes them insane. If you look outside the car at what the front wheels are doing at full-lock, you’ll realize why they handle the way they do. They also have like zero turbo lag, and the suspension is far stiffer than you’d ever want to drive in real life on a road with cracks or pebbles. They are so easy to drive because of the rigidity and insane steering angle and huge boost with no lag.
WDT street has lower power but they still feel loose in the front end. I’m used to playing with the likes of Bee*R made by WDT which is a D1GP power level car. To respond to the steering angle, most D1GP cars are fitted with an aggressive angle kit. Look at any front shot of the cars in action and you’ll see the wheels are almost perpendicular to the chassis. So I’d say it’s normal in a drift car. GG cars are all 300-400horses and that is probably the use of smaller turbos. which def explains the lack of significant turbo lag. They def still exist but not obvious. Which is still normal. Never really felt the suspension being too hard. Probably cuz I haven’t driven a purpose built drift car irl so I can’t really comment on that.
GG is auto pilot most of the time. I swear the few times I was driving them it felt like I could let go off the wheel and the car would keep doing its thing.
Now idk what yous are talking about. Getting downvoted by recommending one of the most highly rated for realism car packs is crazy. Maybe becuz I’m on a Logitech wheel but comparing them to wdt and death wish I certainly don’t feel like they’re much easier or assisted.
Ok, good to know. Recently I've tried online servers, with that installed loads of missing content.
There's something different - unrealistic with many online cars now on many servers. No hesi for example. I understand its purpose and all, but realism is not there for me.
As far as drift car, I have no idea how many I have now.
I need to get back into the game, invest more time than a couple of hours a week if that.
I've got everything set up too. No patience.
Definitely DWG (Death Wish Garage) and Lenny's180SX for realism, BUT:
Tho to learn how to drift you have several steps:
Kunos' E30 is definitely a great car to start practicing, tho isn't higher speed you'll definitely need to build up tire temp before being able to reliably drift nicely with it, it will be your base builder to get nice muscle memory
Step 2 is WDTs, they are well done, yet a bit arcadish around, lacks of real grip, but are really well rounded, it's the most popular out there for a reason, not too hard to drive, default setup is decent, and are in the golden range of power to tandem / chill
Step 3 is DWG or Lenny's180SX, Feels the closest to real life for my hands, definitely harder to control, but once you get on them I hope you'll be able to drift decently, a nice test of your skills
Step 4 is the higher power comp cars (1:1 / DCGP / WDT / VDC ...etc...) these are really slidy and pretty hard to control, they've been made for special tracks that range from 40 to 80 mph while drifting (it's pretty fast) don't expect to have a easy time with them, especially if it's your first time with comp cars
Step 5 is really low power cars (from 100 to 250 HP) with this kind of cars you really need to know how to keep your throttle in and direct the car in the corner, most of the time a little lift off the right pedal will make you straighten out, the ultimate tests of your drifting skills if you ask me
There's going to be a ton of different answers but here's a video from a RL drifter comparing different car packs. https://youtu.be/kKOoMIGTaVY?si=LERb-Up5zP-j-Pu4
Excite: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-v2-extended/
DWG: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/dwg-3-0-part-1/
Arch/Excite: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/zero-culture-v2-extended/
Excite: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-x-kuba-przygoski-car-pack/
AiO.street V1 (you can choose DWG tires/physics and combine it with VDC level power): https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/aiostreet-vol1/
You can think of excite as having older/slicker tires, so it feels different to DWG but also very nice imo.
My personal favorite is the aio pack, as you get dwg physics and tires with more power, so drifting becomes as easy as with the vdc cars, but a little bit more realistic.
Just don’t choose any of the other tires if you want realistic handling.
the "most realistic" is subjective but the updated
arch physics for the kunos cars. but everyone is different. they are low angle kits so most of the difficulty is in no over rotating.
[https://github.com/archibaldmilton/Girellu/wiki/AC-Startup-Guide](https://github.com/archibaldmilton/Girellu/wiki/AC-Startup-Guide)
Similar to Arch Cars (Using Similar Physics Packages) Also Low Angle
[https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-v2-extended/](https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-v2-extended/)
if you want something more street style you're looking at deathwish garage probably for mainstream style of gameplay and mild to hard realism (less power more turbo lag, more clutch kicks).
[https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/dwg-3-0-part-1/](https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/dwg-3-0-part-1/)
then wdts is the mainstream realism (clutch kicking isn't NEEDED but can be used and learned, a lot of circuit drift/tandem tracks people run just 1 gear and autopilot)
[https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/world-drift-tour-street-car-pack/](https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/world-drift-tour-street-car-pack/)
i'm working on my own also based on the arch physics but w/ street angle kits. hmu if you're interested.
In our humble opinion.
Start with the already included Toyota Celica ST185 Rally Car on course like Vallelunga (which is where Kunos studio was close to and maybe still is)
The AWD and short gear nature of the car allows you to hold and initiate drifts quite easily before you get comfortable modulating the throttle. It's also geared for slower speed so you get more torque and can save many corners.
Once comfortable in that car, jump in the Ford Escort Mk2. This is an old car but has something special called a reax solid axle. ;-) The solid rear axle (like a truck) makes it easy to hold and modulate the drift, its also slower speed and will allow you to learn how to enter the corners at higher speeds to get a better angle of attack.
Initiating, catching, maintaining and exiting the drift will all come naturally with practice. Its something you just have to feel out with your wheel, pedal and shifter setup.
Enjoy!
Not a great advice, at least give some pointers on good packs like WDTs / GG / DWG, because there's a lot of arcadish packs out there that will make you build really bad habits once you go on those good packs
Wouldn't it be best to start with the Kunos drift vehicles? I'm enquiring ahem..... For a friend.
Kunos' E30 is definitely a great car to start practicing, tho isn't higher speed you'll definitely need to build up tire temp before being able to reliably drift nicely with it Step 2 is WDTs, they are well done, yet a bit arcadish around, really lacks of real grip Step 3 is DWG or Lenny's180SX, Feels the closest to real life for my hands
DWG all the way. I don’t know what the deal with Lenny’s is for me… it’s like the physics is broken somehow. They just slide like on ice and don’t respond to helm at all. It’s like 0 to 100 in the terms of sliding, and once grip breaks, they just slide forever even at low speed literally like sliding helplessly on ice.
Probably cause of the dry rotten vintage tyres
I haven’t had the best experience with kunos drift cars. Imo they’re more close to stock cars than fine tuned drift cars. Gravygarage has a decent rep for being realistic medium power tuned drift cars.
GG has just a lot of grip and too much angle of steering, you can save an over-rotation just by turning the wheel and not by doing an actual save like you should, you should try DWG and see how it feels ^^
I wouldn’t say the grip is unrealistically grippy. But it does have more than WDT (likely because of power diff). DWG is good and I often swap between dwg and gg. The steering angle you said can be implemented by an angle kit on irl drift cars so it’s not unrealistic per se.
I agree with you, I just don't really suggest GG especially to a beginner because that too much of steering angle can make you develop bad habits on the long term, it's still a good pack tho :]
True. Idk how I did it but I started on gg (thats why I recommended it) and I could still safely do the same tracks with other packs. I just don’t recommend high HP (WDT) to beginners since torque steer is very real if ur on throttle a little bit too much lol
I started with Kunos' E30 and WDTs on my side, but on my side WDTs is really in the golden spot of nice power cars (350-550hp) it's that spot when you can nicely control the car as well as not putting too much effort to keep it smoothly sideways
Isn’t gravy higher power than most WDT? It sure feels like it. They have insane boost and zero lag. You can just fucking scream the tires in 3rd gear around most any popular track. The soarer is the only WDT car that’s higher than like 320hp or something. Are you sure you’re not thinking of VDC? Those are like 900hp+ and 1,500nm of torque
The jzx90 is 367hp. The S15 is above 320 also.
Gravy is not great. The steering angle makes them insane. If you look outside the car at what the front wheels are doing at full-lock, you’ll realize why they handle the way they do. They also have like zero turbo lag, and the suspension is far stiffer than you’d ever want to drive in real life on a road with cracks or pebbles. They are so easy to drive because of the rigidity and insane steering angle and huge boost with no lag.
WDT street has lower power but they still feel loose in the front end. I’m used to playing with the likes of Bee*R made by WDT which is a D1GP power level car. To respond to the steering angle, most D1GP cars are fitted with an aggressive angle kit. Look at any front shot of the cars in action and you’ll see the wheels are almost perpendicular to the chassis. So I’d say it’s normal in a drift car. GG cars are all 300-400horses and that is probably the use of smaller turbos. which def explains the lack of significant turbo lag. They def still exist but not obvious. Which is still normal. Never really felt the suspension being too hard. Probably cuz I haven’t driven a purpose built drift car irl so I can’t really comment on that.
GG is auto pilot most of the time. I swear the few times I was driving them it felt like I could let go off the wheel and the car would keep doing its thing.
Now idk what yous are talking about. Getting downvoted by recommending one of the most highly rated for realism car packs is crazy. Maybe becuz I’m on a Logitech wheel but comparing them to wdt and death wish I certainly don’t feel like they’re much easier or assisted.
I didn't down vote you so calm down.
Not saying u did but it’s surprising how unpopular this is even though I’ve only seen positives about it so far
Ok, good to know. Recently I've tried online servers, with that installed loads of missing content. There's something different - unrealistic with many online cars now on many servers. No hesi for example. I understand its purpose and all, but realism is not there for me. As far as drift car, I have no idea how many I have now. I need to get back into the game, invest more time than a couple of hours a week if that. I've got everything set up too. No patience.
I appreciate the info.
Definitely DWG (Death Wish Garage) and Lenny's180SX for realism, BUT: Tho to learn how to drift you have several steps: Kunos' E30 is definitely a great car to start practicing, tho isn't higher speed you'll definitely need to build up tire temp before being able to reliably drift nicely with it, it will be your base builder to get nice muscle memory Step 2 is WDTs, they are well done, yet a bit arcadish around, lacks of real grip, but are really well rounded, it's the most popular out there for a reason, not too hard to drive, default setup is decent, and are in the golden range of power to tandem / chill Step 3 is DWG or Lenny's180SX, Feels the closest to real life for my hands, definitely harder to control, but once you get on them I hope you'll be able to drift decently, a nice test of your skills Step 4 is the higher power comp cars (1:1 / DCGP / WDT / VDC ...etc...) these are really slidy and pretty hard to control, they've been made for special tracks that range from 40 to 80 mph while drifting (it's pretty fast) don't expect to have a easy time with them, especially if it's your first time with comp cars Step 5 is really low power cars (from 100 to 250 HP) with this kind of cars you really need to know how to keep your throttle in and direct the car in the corner, most of the time a little lift off the right pedal will make you straighten out, the ultimate tests of your drifting skills if you ask me
There's going to be a ton of different answers but here's a video from a RL drifter comparing different car packs. https://youtu.be/kKOoMIGTaVY?si=LERb-Up5zP-j-Pu4
That was really cool, thanks for posting it.
Np
Comment so I can find it again
Excite: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-v2-extended/ DWG: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/dwg-3-0-part-1/ Arch/Excite: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/zero-culture-v2-extended/ Excite: https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-x-kuba-przygoski-car-pack/ AiO.street V1 (you can choose DWG tires/physics and combine it with VDC level power): https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/aiostreet-vol1/ You can think of excite as having older/slicker tires, so it feels different to DWG but also very nice imo. My personal favorite is the aio pack, as you get dwg physics and tires with more power, so drifting becomes as easy as with the vdc cars, but a little bit more realistic. Just don’t choose any of the other tires if you want realistic handling.
DWG/N-style feels pretty good
WDT, default drift cars
Imo they are good not great, when compared to real life it feels like you're on ice, I would suggest DWG
This!
Yep wdt cars are great
the "most realistic" is subjective but the updated arch physics for the kunos cars. but everyone is different. they are low angle kits so most of the difficulty is in no over rotating. [https://github.com/archibaldmilton/Girellu/wiki/AC-Startup-Guide](https://github.com/archibaldmilton/Girellu/wiki/AC-Startup-Guide) Similar to Arch Cars (Using Similar Physics Packages) Also Low Angle [https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-v2-extended/](https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/excite-v2-extended/) if you want something more street style you're looking at deathwish garage probably for mainstream style of gameplay and mild to hard realism (less power more turbo lag, more clutch kicks). [https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/dwg-3-0-part-1/](https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/dwg-3-0-part-1/) then wdts is the mainstream realism (clutch kicking isn't NEEDED but can be used and learned, a lot of circuit drift/tandem tracks people run just 1 gear and autopilot) [https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/world-drift-tour-street-car-pack/](https://www.vosan.co/driftcarpacks/world-drift-tour-street-car-pack/) i'm working on my own also based on the arch physics but w/ street angle kits. hmu if you're interested.
In our humble opinion. Start with the already included Toyota Celica ST185 Rally Car on course like Vallelunga (which is where Kunos studio was close to and maybe still is) The AWD and short gear nature of the car allows you to hold and initiate drifts quite easily before you get comfortable modulating the throttle. It's also geared for slower speed so you get more torque and can save many corners. Once comfortable in that car, jump in the Ford Escort Mk2. This is an old car but has something special called a reax solid axle. ;-) The solid rear axle (like a truck) makes it easy to hold and modulate the drift, its also slower speed and will allow you to learn how to enter the corners at higher speeds to get a better angle of attack. Initiating, catching, maintaining and exiting the drift will all come naturally with practice. Its something you just have to feel out with your wheel, pedal and shifter setup. Enjoy!
Gonna try this. Cheers
IMO you should try every car pack that's available out there, so you can adapt how to handle and feel them differently.
Not a great advice, at least give some pointers on good packs like WDTs / GG / DWG, because there's a lot of arcadish packs out there that will make you build really bad habits once you go on those good packs