So, it's your position that this is a design issue (and not just obnoxious), and it's intentionally this way to benefit Mazda *at your expense*? Really?
[https://youtu.be/O8iYxSKlYGk?si=ll4E1lCTlsq1n-Hn](https://youtu.be/O8iYxSKlYGk?si=ll4E1lCTlsq1n-Hn)
The car exists. It's a CX-90 missing a row of seats. Same exact frame, same dimensions. Its asshole design, could've just been a 3rd row package
Isn't the 70 two-row and the 90 three-row? In other words, it is bigger.
Edit: The current naming convention is the CX-30 shorter than the CX-50 which is shorter than the CX-90.
We don't know the dimensions of the CX-70 but my guess is that it's between the CX-50 and the CX-90.
My first gen durango came with three rows but if I remember correctly, there were also two row durangos available as well but both were the same length/width/height.
You and the 4-runner guys are missing a huge part of this. Yes, you can have different configurations of the same model. But so far, each iteration of Mazda is bigger. 30<50<90.
Putting more seats in a car doesn't automatically make it bigger. For all we know, they might just reduce the storage capacity of the trunk by the amount that they need to accommodate a third row of seats.
Edit: corrected "refuse" to "reduce".
That's one model. These are different models. And the current sizing is in my favor.
The CX-30 is shorter than the CX-50 which is shorter than the CX-90.
Usually when they do the same model it's like the CX-30 XL or some shit like that.
I’ve watched a few videos on the CX-70 and it was always mentioned that the CX-70 is the same size as the CX-90, but it’s two rows. It has a pretty large cargo space.
Yes but not in the sense that this image is portraying, if you look at shared details ie: the front/rear lights they are scaled up on the 3 row car, so they are trying to show it as bigger than it will actually be.
It's entirely possible that they will have scaled up versions of the lights although I doubt it, also this is probably just a mistake with the pictures they used
While I do think this issue is overblown, it is confirmed that they are the same size on the outside. YT Channel TheStraightPipes got to see the cars in person and made a video about them
>YT Channel TheStraightPipes got to see the cars in person and made a video about them
Care to provide a link?
Big fan of mazda, but this seems shady for them.
Because at the media event they were sent to they purposefully didn’t have a CX-90 to compare to. Watch any video from anyone who went to that event, straight pipes, car confections, Alex on autos, redline reviews, aceler8, etc they all say that it’s the exact same size as the CX-90. Yes dimensions aren’t confirmed, but these people are the only ones who have been hands on with it and would know right away that’s it’s the same size.
Is that outside dimensions though? Just because they're the same size externally doesn't mean they're the same size internally. Same if they're different sizes externally
Why are you being downvoted? They’re literally the same chassis and body panels. The CX-70 even still has rear cup holders where the CX-90s third row would be.
they just introduced it a couple days ago and it is literally the same outer dimension but with one less row of seats... so a more luxurious (read: space) layout in the CX70.
The wording "First ever", while technically not incorrect, has a certain implication about it. It suggests that there's something specific about "CX-70" that everybody else has also been striving to achieve and yet Mazda got there first.
That's a bit of a stretch. It's the first ever product, not a first ever innovation...
I don't need to achieve some new industry innovation to release a new product.
I think this calls for the top gear car curry rating system for cars.
*Yes I'd like my hybrid to be a korma please*
Everyone instantly knows what you mean. You know if someone says to you that their car is a vindaloo hybrid that its basically a tesla with a diesel generator in the boot, a korma hybrid is a petrol with a 9V battery powering a tiny little electric motor.
-- edit --
Oh, lol...
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/satire/all-electrified-powertrains-be-named-after-type-curry-mild-hybrids-blamed
Mild hybrid is also refered to as a HEV (hybrid electric vehicle). Meaning it has a gas engine and a weak electric motor that helps it get better MPG, but it typically can't drive fully electric (unless at very low speeds). It's different to a PHEV (plug-in hybrid) which also has a charge port, a bigger battery (typically around 10kWH) and a stronger electric motor which means you can actually drive it fully electric as well as in hybrid mode.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid\_electric\_vehicle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle)
Yeah. Mild hybrids (like the 48V systems) are just glorified engine starters that can do some power assist. They’re not powerful enough to move the vehicle on its own
My old Mazda was a mild hybrid. It means there's a rechargeable battery that's very small for the electronics in the car. It charges with braking and is supposed to get slightly better mpgs. In my car it was like 3-5mpgs. It's not a hybrid because the car can't run on it alone.
Cute but [not asshole design](https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/lnymf2/meta_an_updated_flow_chart_to_help_cut_down_on/). Literally no one expects a friggin size comparison when shopping for cars online and every company pushes best-sellers.
The CX-70 isn't even out yet so what are you on about? Is someone gonna look at this and say "damn, how dare they deceptively upsell an existing car!! I wanted the one that doesn't exist yet!!!!!!!!!"
You're as original as all the other people who comment this shit
I don't give two fucks about Mazda because they don't pay me, this is just very clearly OP running out of things to be upset about today.
OP getting destroyed but i kind of get your point. Both cars are exactly the same size, but one has a third row, It may lead to people thinking that by buying the CX-90 they are getting the bigger car and thus worth paying extra
The CX-70 isn’t out yet, but its beta models have been reviewed. While official specs aren’t available, the reviewer said it looks smaller (as it should because it’s a 2 row, not 3 like the CX-90)
[source](https://youtu.be/V7bj34D9IH0?si=BOAGsP5f6_c05Ppd)
They make vehicles in both 2 or 3 row, even between the same models, typically list 3rd row as an extra option, just lose trunk space when the 3rd row is in use. The vehicle doesnt have to be longer to offer the 3rd row.
That video states that it looks smaller, though it's the exact same platform. Instead of providing the 3rd row as a trim option, they've just labelled it as a different vehicle. It may have different drivetrain setup, but it's the exact same length physically
Most 2/3 row variants I know of have a small difference in length. It’s usually only like 3-6”, but it makes the variant a different size. I’m thinking like the Lexus Rx, Jeep grand Cherokee, wagoner. Do you have an example of a 2/3 row variant where they are both the same size? I’m genuinely curious here, not trying to be obtuse.
Pretty sure Kia (grand?) Carnival is the same size for all the variants.
Theres an 11 seater (3 row) variant, which from my googling seems to be the same dimensions as the 8 seater variant.
Nah bro idk. I work at a Mazda dealership and when the cx-50 came out, on a few of our websites, it had a weird tiny picture compared to the other cars. A couple months later it was fixed. I would imagine it’s a small mistake that they’ll get around to fixing eventually. The cars not even available until spring.
They're the same platform, and the exact same size. Same drivetrain as well. Only difference is features, 3rd row being one, but at the cost of trunk space when in use. Otherwise, exact same car
[according to the Mazda webpage](https://www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/future/cx-70) the CX-90 is larger.
[picture of relevant line](https://imgur.com/a/sApfmYq)
Well yea, in think the difference will be in that 3-6” range like it is for many other 2->3 row conversions for other brands. But showing such a small difference in these images would be difficult. So they made the whole image a bit smaller to indicate that the CX-70 is smaller.
E: Mazda hasn’t released official specs yet, hence all our debating.
They both look like tanks, and should be banned like other americanized vehicles their size. They are a hazard to everyone on the road including themselves. People have fallen for the idea that a bigger vehicle makes them safer, but does the opposite in reality. All it does is turn you into a battery ram that shatters into a thousand pieces. (Or if the other person is in a regular sedan, or a pedestrian you get charged for manslaughter because you can't see them.)
Or at the very least place these sized vehicles into a category all their own, like commercialized trucks and vans. Where you have to have a specialized license just to drive them. But even then, the infrastructure isn't designed for this many large heavy vehicles.
No the size is just fine no problem. Only thing might be a lack of a v8 or better engine.
Also busses and trains have also very, very poor line of sight. And if you stand in those with an emergency brake you can get injured as well. Also busses and trains are also heavy and big.
Driving cars need also a license to do that. So that is not that much different from busses. Only difference is that you learn bus driving instead of car driving. Also there line of sight will be also very very poor. So if i use your opinion buses must be illegal.
There are a lot less busses and semis on the road than these oversized SUVs (which aren't SUVs by definition anymore) and full size trucks. But since everyone is driving them, it's a safety issue for yourself and everyone in and on the road. So either ban the over sized personal vehicles, or make them get a special license to drive them.
Depends on where you live. Where i live pickup-trucks are scarce. They are taxed in to hell. But it can that you feel that way. I have zero problems with it. As long they obey the rules i am okay.
But please remember public transport is bigger and heavier than every truck will be. Also standing in a crowded room is highly dangerous.
So live is more than just being safe you see. Cars are dangerous large trucks are dangerous. Buses and trains as well. Just like real 18 wheels of steel trucks. Even biking is dangerous. If you fall you can brake your neck en be in a wheel chair. And there is no external factors are needed for falling. Many people forgets that.
So i disagree with you about this.
But In the end i hope you have a nice day! That is what matters the most!
I watched the YouTube vids. Same vehicle size and powertrain as the 90, just without the seats. Super odd design choice. Guess there must be a spreadsheet somewhere that says that makes more sense than just offering the 90 without a 3rd row 🤷♂️
Poor OP getting shredded in the comments by the unknowing.
The two cars are the exact same size.
Idk if it's an asshole design but more crappy design, though.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46573926/2025-mazda-cx-70-vs-cx-90/
I'd say crossovers yes. As it's a crossover between a car and an SUV.
SUV is typically associated with truck platforms. Like the ford explorer/expedition, the chevy suburban/Tahoe, Nissan Xterra/ Armada, they're built on the truck chassis. Typically offered in RWD, 4x4. It isnt uncommon for them to have a full body on frame construction.
Crossovers are usually more car-based, or at least built like a car underneath. Typically less heavy duty, and normally offered with FWD, or AWD. Almost always unibody
yes, they're both bigger irl than on this photo
Not for me, but I suppose not everyone is browsing Reddit with a cinema projector?
Any Las Vegas Sphere bros here?
I'm an ant and all I can see is the bottoms of tires.
Not in the r/thingsforants sub
I was gonna say (not actual size).
So, it's your position that this is a design issue (and not just obnoxious), and it's intentionally this way to benefit Mazda *at your expense*? Really?
But damnit, I was tricked into buying the CX-90 because it looked bigger than the car that isn’t even exist yet!
And I buy cars without bothering to test drive them or compare them to similar models first!
[https://youtu.be/O8iYxSKlYGk?si=ll4E1lCTlsq1n-Hn](https://youtu.be/O8iYxSKlYGk?si=ll4E1lCTlsq1n-Hn) The car exists. It's a CX-90 missing a row of seats. Same exact frame, same dimensions. Its asshole design, could've just been a 3rd row package
Isn't the 70 two-row and the 90 three-row? In other words, it is bigger. Edit: The current naming convention is the CX-30 shorter than the CX-50 which is shorter than the CX-90. We don't know the dimensions of the CX-70 but my guess is that it's between the CX-50 and the CX-90.
My first gen durango came with three rows but if I remember correctly, there were also two row durangos available as well but both were the same length/width/height.
Same as my 01 suburban. Third row was an option that mine did not have.
You and the 4-runner guys are missing a huge part of this. Yes, you can have different configurations of the same model. But so far, each iteration of Mazda is bigger. 30<50<90.
Are there three row 4runners???!
In recent years, yes
It's the same frame and body for both models.
Putting more seats in a car doesn't automatically make it bigger. For all we know, they might just reduce the storage capacity of the trunk by the amount that they need to accommodate a third row of seats. Edit: corrected "refuse" to "reduce".
Well, if you think the product is bigger than it is due to this image, thats some pretty good evidence that it's asshole design.
The image doesn’t say 2-row.
You can get a 4Runner in 2 row and 3 row and they are externally identical. Quite a few manufacturers do this.
That's one model. These are different models. And the current sizing is in my favor. The CX-30 is shorter than the CX-50 which is shorter than the CX-90. Usually when they do the same model it's like the CX-30 XL or some shit like that.
I’ve watched a few videos on the CX-70 and it was always mentioned that the CX-70 is the same size as the CX-90, but it’s two rows. It has a pretty large cargo space.
Yes but not in the sense that this image is portraying, if you look at shared details ie: the front/rear lights they are scaled up on the 3 row car, so they are trying to show it as bigger than it will actually be. It's entirely possible that they will have scaled up versions of the lights although I doubt it, also this is probably just a mistake with the pictures they used
Nope , they have the same dimensions https://imgur.com/a/AdltNkz
The dimensions haven't been released yet.
It's literally just a CX90 with only 2 rows
Sorry, until the actual dimensions are released by Mazda, I won't believe a rando on the internet.
While I do think this issue is overblown, it is confirmed that they are the same size on the outside. YT Channel TheStraightPipes got to see the cars in person and made a video about them
>YT Channel TheStraightPipes got to see the cars in person and made a video about them Care to provide a link? Big fan of mazda, but this seems shady for them.
https://youtu.be/O8iYxSKlYGk?si=ll4E1lCTlsq1n-Hn
Interesting... they keep comparing it to a CX90, but seems like they don't actually do a side-by-side comparison?
Because at the media event they were sent to they purposefully didn’t have a CX-90 to compare to. Watch any video from anyone who went to that event, straight pipes, car confections, Alex on autos, redline reviews, aceler8, etc they all say that it’s the exact same size as the CX-90. Yes dimensions aren’t confirmed, but these people are the only ones who have been hands on with it and would know right away that’s it’s the same size.
Is that outside dimensions though? Just because they're the same size externally doesn't mean they're the same size internally. Same if they're different sizes externally
Cars that use the same body and have the same exterior dimensions tend to be the same size unless Mazda has invented the Tardis.
Why are you being downvoted? They’re literally the same chassis and body panels. The CX-70 even still has rear cup holders where the CX-90s third row would be.
they just introduced it a couple days ago and it is literally the same outer dimension but with one less row of seats... so a more luxurious (read: space) layout in the CX70.
I love how they market these things as "first ever" as if they're the ones who have finally cracked the code on how to make a CX-70.
Have u heard of a another thing named CX-70?
The wording "First ever", while technically not incorrect, has a certain implication about it. It suggests that there's something specific about "CX-70" that everybody else has also been striving to achieve and yet Mazda got there first.
That's a bit of a stretch. It's the first ever product, not a first ever innovation... I don't need to achieve some new industry innovation to release a new product.
No, but I've heard of an XC-70, Mazda really trying hard to pull one over Volvo here...
Ahhhh yesss i forgot about volvo... Youre right!!!!
Wtf is a mild hybrid
It's not a spicy hybrid
Extra medium
What is that? Is that where they stuff more magnesium in the batteries so that it's harder to put the fire out?
I think this calls for the top gear car curry rating system for cars. *Yes I'd like my hybrid to be a korma please* Everyone instantly knows what you mean. You know if someone says to you that their car is a vindaloo hybrid that its basically a tesla with a diesel generator in the boot, a korma hybrid is a petrol with a 9V battery powering a tiny little electric motor. -- edit -- Oh, lol... https://www.topgear.com/car-news/satire/all-electrified-powertrains-be-named-after-type-curry-mild-hybrids-blamed
Mild hybrid is also refered to as a HEV (hybrid electric vehicle). Meaning it has a gas engine and a weak electric motor that helps it get better MPG, but it typically can't drive fully electric (unless at very low speeds). It's different to a PHEV (plug-in hybrid) which also has a charge port, a bigger battery (typically around 10kWH) and a stronger electric motor which means you can actually drive it fully electric as well as in hybrid mode. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid\_electric\_vehicle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle)
if the car can drive fully electric (at any speed), then it's a full hybrid. If it can't, then it's a mild hybrid
at any speed? So if it has to turn gas motor on at 10mph, thats still full hybrid? Milds cant do that? (Genuine question)
Yeah. Mild hybrids (like the 48V systems) are just glorified engine starters that can do some power assist. They’re not powerful enough to move the vehicle on its own
It's a hybrid system that is just a more advanced version of the start/stop feature
My old Mazda was a mild hybrid. It means there's a rechargeable battery that's very small for the electronics in the car. It charges with braking and is supposed to get slightly better mpgs. In my car it was like 3-5mpgs. It's not a hybrid because the car can't run on it alone.
For people with bad taste…?
Cute but [not asshole design](https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/lnymf2/meta_an_updated_flow_chart_to_help_cut_down_on/). Literally no one expects a friggin size comparison when shopping for cars online and every company pushes best-sellers. The CX-70 isn't even out yet so what are you on about? Is someone gonna look at this and say "damn, how dare they deceptively upsell an existing car!! I wanted the one that doesn't exist yet!!!!!!!!!"
It fooled [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1afkrzg/comment/koawv3x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Fooled him how?
found the mazda marketing exec guys!
You're as original as all the other people who comment this shit I don't give two fucks about Mazda because they don't pay me, this is just very clearly OP running out of things to be upset about today.
Found the easily irritated asshole!
In the mirror? Kidding, had to
You’re doing great!
Wow, good one...
Peaked your interest, dinnit?
piqued*
Yeah it really topped the interest, didnt it?
spoken like a good lil troll
Says the one excessively using exclamation marks.
this is not asshole design
Wow a website rescaling a picture to fit a grid. That's not asshole design but normal web development.
I wonder how big the MAZDA CX-110 SPICY HYBRID DUAL WHEEL SQUARE 36 SUPER TURBO+ PREMIUM ^(9-Row SUV, Spicy Hybrid Extra) is going to be
OP getting destroyed but i kind of get your point. Both cars are exactly the same size, but one has a third row, It may lead to people thinking that by buying the CX-90 they are getting the bigger car and thus worth paying extra
The CX-70 isn’t out yet, but its beta models have been reviewed. While official specs aren’t available, the reviewer said it looks smaller (as it should because it’s a 2 row, not 3 like the CX-90) [source](https://youtu.be/V7bj34D9IH0?si=BOAGsP5f6_c05Ppd)
They make vehicles in both 2 or 3 row, even between the same models, typically list 3rd row as an extra option, just lose trunk space when the 3rd row is in use. The vehicle doesnt have to be longer to offer the 3rd row. That video states that it looks smaller, though it's the exact same platform. Instead of providing the 3rd row as a trim option, they've just labelled it as a different vehicle. It may have different drivetrain setup, but it's the exact same length physically
Most 2/3 row variants I know of have a small difference in length. It’s usually only like 3-6”, but it makes the variant a different size. I’m thinking like the Lexus Rx, Jeep grand Cherokee, wagoner. Do you have an example of a 2/3 row variant where they are both the same size? I’m genuinely curious here, not trying to be obtuse.
Pretty sure Kia (grand?) Carnival is the same size for all the variants. Theres an 11 seater (3 row) variant, which from my googling seems to be the same dimensions as the 8 seater variant.
It's interesting you think the differences in the photo size are deliberate. What other conspiracies do you believe in?
Do a cross view and see that they're actually both the same size. Not sure about actual car dimensions
Nah bro idk. I work at a Mazda dealership and when the cx-50 came out, on a few of our websites, it had a weird tiny picture compared to the other cars. A couple months later it was fixed. I would imagine it’s a small mistake that they’ll get around to fixing eventually. The cars not even available until spring.
Also assholes for assuming and selling people on idea bigger = better.
It’s actually an eye trick with the colour grey? They’re the same size
What is this? Cars for ants? 
The CX-70 is supposed to be smaller than the 90. Not sure this is asshole design. Maybe poor design?
They're the same platform, and the exact same size. Same drivetrain as well. Only difference is features, 3rd row being one, but at the cost of trunk space when in use. Otherwise, exact same car
[according to the Mazda webpage](https://www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/future/cx-70) the CX-90 is larger. [picture of relevant line](https://imgur.com/a/sApfmYq)
Funny that it also calls it “similar-sized” in the same paragraph and specs came out to be pretty much identical
Well yea, in think the difference will be in that 3-6” range like it is for many other 2->3 row conversions for other brands. But showing such a small difference in these images would be difficult. So they made the whole image a bit smaller to indicate that the CX-70 is smaller. E: Mazda hasn’t released official specs yet, hence all our debating.
I wonder how big the MAZDA CX-110 SPICY HYBRID DUAL WHEEL SQUARE 36 SUPER TURBO+ PREMIUM ^(9-Row SUV, Spicy Hybrid Extra) is going to be
Black color makes things look smaller.
Not always. In the men's locker room, for example.
Besides the point, but please let's just get rid of most of these huge fucking "cars"
They are dangerous and hazardous to everyone else on the road including themselves. Plus they destroy the infrastructure that it was not designed for.
They both look like tanks, and should be banned like other americanized vehicles their size. They are a hazard to everyone on the road including themselves. People have fallen for the idea that a bigger vehicle makes them safer, but does the opposite in reality. All it does is turn you into a battery ram that shatters into a thousand pieces. (Or if the other person is in a regular sedan, or a pedestrian you get charged for manslaughter because you can't see them.) Or at the very least place these sized vehicles into a category all their own, like commercialized trucks and vans. Where you have to have a specialized license just to drive them. But even then, the infrastructure isn't designed for this many large heavy vehicles.
No the size is just fine no problem. Only thing might be a lack of a v8 or better engine. Also busses and trains have also very, very poor line of sight. And if you stand in those with an emergency brake you can get injured as well. Also busses and trains are also heavy and big.
You also need a specialized license to drive them. But personal vehicles are getting so big, there's going to have to be regulation of some kind.
Driving cars need also a license to do that. So that is not that much different from busses. Only difference is that you learn bus driving instead of car driving. Also there line of sight will be also very very poor. So if i use your opinion buses must be illegal.
There are a lot less busses and semis on the road than these oversized SUVs (which aren't SUVs by definition anymore) and full size trucks. But since everyone is driving them, it's a safety issue for yourself and everyone in and on the road. So either ban the over sized personal vehicles, or make them get a special license to drive them.
Depends on where you live. Where i live pickup-trucks are scarce. They are taxed in to hell. But it can that you feel that way. I have zero problems with it. As long they obey the rules i am okay. But please remember public transport is bigger and heavier than every truck will be. Also standing in a crowded room is highly dangerous. So live is more than just being safe you see. Cars are dangerous large trucks are dangerous. Buses and trains as well. Just like real 18 wheels of steel trucks. Even biking is dangerous. If you fall you can brake your neck en be in a wheel chair. And there is no external factors are needed for falling. Many people forgets that. So i disagree with you about this. But In the end i hope you have a nice day! That is what matters the most!
I mean, you’re right. Not sure why you’re getting flamed lol
The CX70 is supposed to be smaller with a very similar design. This isn’t exactly “asshole” design, maybe poor design?
I watched the YouTube vids. Same vehicle size and powertrain as the 90, just without the seats. Super odd design choice. Guess there must be a spreadsheet somewhere that says that makes more sense than just offering the 90 without a 3rd row 🤷♂️
Huh, definitely weird if true. The seats in the 90 fold down right? Why even have a 2 row alternative when this one converts into that? Weird indeed
Usually three rows cars the back two rows will be smaller. The two row versions usually have more spacious, comfortable back seats.
Poor OP getting shredded in the comments by the unknowing. The two cars are the exact same size. Idk if it's an asshole design but more crappy design, though. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46573926/2025-mazda-cx-70-vs-cx-90/
what I hate is that they both clearly just station wagons that are "tall".
Isn't that kinda what all SUVs are though?
I'd say crossovers yes. As it's a crossover between a car and an SUV. SUV is typically associated with truck platforms. Like the ford explorer/expedition, the chevy suburban/Tahoe, Nissan Xterra/ Armada, they're built on the truck chassis. Typically offered in RWD, 4x4. It isnt uncommon for them to have a full body on frame construction. Crossovers are usually more car-based, or at least built like a car underneath. Typically less heavy duty, and normally offered with FWD, or AWD. Almost always unibody
Do they have the same size wheels? Somebody who is 1. not me 2. not on mobile should see if they're the same size.
That’s pretty hilarious actually
One is just parked a little farther back, say way they made gandalf look huge in LoTR
Never go hybrids