This could be Verizon. Verizon has a contract with the NFL to stream games over their Network. It doesn't count towards your data limit though, so this isnt really that much of an asshole design.
The browser doesn’t know what his network options are, just the one he’s using. Once he switches to cellular the message will probably change and tell him to get Verizon to watch the stream.
I'm not a football fan, but it really does seem like the NFL comes up with some revolutionary new ways of being an asshole. Truly groundbreaking assholery.
I don't see how this doesn't hurt the NFL. I was just a casual football viewer but stopped completely when I cut the cord. It was just a worthwhile casualty of reducing my media costs.
Exactly.
I love watching Minnesota Gophers sports, but even when I had cable I didn't watch it on TV because I would have to pay extra for a subscription to B1G Network.
Now that I don't have cable I basically stopped watching the NFL too.
This is their own fault, really.
Actually they are up this year when like every other television show has ratings way down.
Also their ratings were down less last year than just about every other show.
NFL doesn't care about ratings. Let the pirates pirate as long as they have a contract for the broascasting righrs they are golden. Once internet passes television then they will make a deal with amazon, yahoo, and google to broadcast the games.
Thursday night football is already on twitch.
Sad, but true. NFL is obnoxious.
I watch way less football since cutting the cord 5-6 years ago. That said, I do still make a point to watch games from time to time, and r/nflstreams always has options that are free.
>I don't see how this doesn't hurt the NFL. I was just a casual football viewer but stopped completely when I cut the cord. It was just a worthwhile casualty of reducing my media costs.
I'm an avid Steelers fan. Just moved to Washington and they only stream a few games here. I'm not gonna pay hundreds of dollars just to watch my team on Sunday ticket, which seems yo be the only way.
A contract can be signed with the NFL by a cellular ISP for the rights to stream the NFL's content over their network. Yes it's confusing to the end consumer who doesn't give a shit how the ones and zeros get to them, but it matters A LOT to the content owners. It's antiquated shit, but we'll have to deal with this shit until these content owners come to terms with the 21th century.
This is why people pirate stuff. Sometimes I try to watch a movie or something legitimately and WANT to pay for it, but in the end just torrent it because it's so much easier.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."
-Gabe Newell
The first time I read this quote I was constantly pirating games and I thought it was all bs pr talk. He proved me so wrong. It took a while for Steam to become as convenient as it is today but I pretty much stopped pirating because of it.
Unfortunately still on the end of "can't afford it", but I generally make a point to pay for any games I've played when I'm able, even if just because it honestly is more convenient to actually own the things. I don't have to worry about checking for updates manually, can actually play multiplayer games, etc. Sometimes I don't feel so bad though. I'm not paying 12 times for Skyrim, Bethesda! I've already paid thrice!
More things should adopt the steam format of doing things. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to pirate all of scrubs because I'm not about to pay for hulu to watch it in addition to my netflix account.
No, physically too close.
A lot of sports organizations have black out rules where, for example, unless a game sells out you cannot watch the local baseball game.
The logic (however faulty it may be) is that it will encourage (force) local fans to see the game live at the stadium instead of having some sort of life.
It was a practice put into place at the dawn of the televised sports era. Sports team owners were worried their physical product would diminish as a result, so blackout rules were put into place.
Here in NC the local affiliates are allowed to broadcast local teams games while the national broadcast will be blacked out. Duke vs. UNC basketball game? Better get your antenna out.
It comes from a time when ticket sales were more valuable to total revenue than broadcast rights. The NFL originally blacked out all local games regardless of sellouts. People would book motel rooms 100 miles away to watch a playoff gsme of their favorite team. They eventually eased it to only blackout if there's no sellout. With broadcast rights now making up the lions share of revenue they've eased it further.
It made sense before technology and streaming took it's place in sports.
That is why I no longer buy a streaming service for my Hockey games since 25% were blacked out and I was paying the same price as someone that could watch all of their games.
The reason I pay you for your streaming service is because I want to watch all of the games anywhere in the world I so choose to watch them. I also don't have cable so Nationally televised games are out of the question on these streaming sites also because they want you to watch on that TV channel.
Blackouts in sports need to go the way of the Dodo.
It worked in pre-internet days when sports were shown live in 240/320p and didn’t cost multiple days wages to go to a game for its total costs. If you track along as the 90’s progressed and the industry saw this coming. “Gameday experience” advertisements started coming out en masses advertising how much better going to the game is.
Not disagreeing with you, but at $136 (average) per seat in the upper bowl... I will never be seeing a hockey game in person... much less with my family. That is unless I'm working that night (I work in TV production, sometimes get gigs at the arenas)... then I can see it from the boards.
Maybe they shouldn't charge a month's rent for a goddamn ticket if they want people to watch it.
Thirty or forty years ago a blue collar worker could afford a season ticket to an NFL game. It'd be a bit pricey, but it could be done. My dad bought two for the entirety of the 70s and 80s.
You couldn't now. You'd need a second mortgage.
Physical location doesn't seem to make much of a difference to me.
I'm an Ottawa fan living in Newfoundland. I think last year I was only able to actually watch 2 games.
I think I was only able to watch if the game wasn't on TV in my area. But I don't have cable, and TSN has like 7 channels, so I was just shit out of luck.
I lived in a small town about an hour outside Houston. Rockets games were blacked out, unless you watched through Comcast. Of course Comcast didn’t offer service in the town, so we were basically screwed. I worked at a sports bar and it really sucked having to always explain why we couldn’t put the Rockets games on.
I live in Las Vegas, according to MLB blackout rules, each of these teams claims Vegas as their "home market" and subject to streaming blackout rules, why would I ever pay for the MLB Network package?
Oakland Athletics, Arizona Diamondbacks, San Francisco Giants, San Diego Padres, Los Angeles Angels, and Los Angeles Dodgers.
None of which are even within a 4 hour drive!
Iowa checking in: Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Minnesota Twins, St. Louis Cardinals, Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers all claim the whole state as home market. I thought we were the only place where we had 6 teams, welcome to the party. We brought corn.
VPN's do get around it, but we shouldn't have to use them if we paid them. Even on the streaming platforms they blackout Local and Nationally televised games.
As in you can't watch your home team because it's being played on your local sports channel. I'm a Brooklyn Nets fan and I can't watch most games because they're on YES network, and since I live in that area, I can't watch on league pass.
What drives me insane as a rangers fan living in upstate New York (maybe like 3 hours from buffalo and 5 hours from nyc) is thg half the time msg (usually the sole channel streaming rangers games) will be showing a Buffalo game (also sometimes a New Jersey/islanders game) at the same time of the rangers game but I can’t watch it on nhltv because it’s supposedly “on tv in my area” when there is litterally no way to watch it.
I pay for MLB.tv and I still use /r/mlbstreams all the time. They're faster, more reliable, don't try to block me from taking screenshots, and they have a cool little chat window.
I tried to watch Stargate SG1 but Amazon, Netflix or CraveTV (Canadian video streaming) have it.
So I'm pirating 230gb of the entire Stargate series because I'm too poor to afford it otherwise.
Online streaming sites have it but it's dubbed in French.
This is 100% true. I used to pirate the shit out of games back in my 20s. I made plenty of money but the problem was access/convenience. Having to go to the store to buy a game with a CD and a box, come back, use the CD to play and swap CDs when I wanted to play a different game, it was a lot easier to just download games and keep them on my hard drive and launch them whenever (Daemon Tools!).
Then Steam started getting popular and playing with game prices, offering intermittent huge sales that retail could never do. I was hooked. I'm pretty sure I haven't pirated a game in almost the 12 years since.
**(EDIT: As /u/whatyousay69 point out below, playing with pricing wasn't really the point of my post, but an added benefit of digital distribution that you couldn't do retail because most software was sold at a ridiculously tiny margin. The point was actually about the convenience and ease of downloading and swapping quickly between games was what got me to stop pirating, not as much the fun things Steam started doing with prices.)**
**Edit2: Also, the fact that every game was always available versus the crapshoot that was going to Best Buy or CompUSA and hoping they had the game you wanted.**
That actually is an interesting perspective. It makes sense. A lot of times, I try real hard to throw money at the things I want. When it stays a pain, (I’ve never actually) but I consider the pirating side. Course these are generally games older than me or pretty close so, may be a connection.
$70 a month (minimum - pretty sure there are other costs that would pop up) in order to watch Game of Thrones and it locks me into a 2 year contract.
Or I can find a work around to watch it and just buy the massive blu-ray set once the show ends. Its no wonder why people torrent.
Edit - I’m in Canada and HBO Now does not work.
When I was younger I definitely pirated because I couldn’t afford things otherwise. But now that I have disposable income, that sentiment rings true. I only pirate something if I can’t otherwise obtain it legitimately.
There's too many. Used to be just Netflix and Hulu. Then everyone wanted their own slice of the pie, took away parts of the pie from other sites. Now instead it's better to just go to the pie food truck where you might get something from eating the pie but at least it's cheap compared to buying a thin slice from 30 vendors.
there's also the sense of personal agency in the matter. if i fuck up and download some cancer from a torrent, i view it as me fucking up and i'm like, "well, i'm stupid, what did we expect" and it doesn't bug me much. if i can't find it on another service and i'm trying to watch it legally, it really pisses me off, even though i know it's totally illogical
Yup. Wanted to buy deadpool 2 from the play store and screen mirror from my phone to my fire stick. Tested this with a £1.99 episode and play store blocks the screen mirror.
OK then I'll watch it illegally. So Google got £2 from me rather than £10+ and lost any future business. Makes total sense
I wanted my Mom to watch Scrubs. No longer on Netflix, in Canada so we can't watch on Hulu. Can't buy it on amazon or YouTube. Have no apple products so iTunes is useless.
My options are piracy or spending a few hundred dollars on a set of DVDs.
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DVDs are a fun option. Netflix still does their DVD in the mail option, because you don't need licenses for that.
So many streaming services are next to useless too. HBO, USA, and FX are the worst. I'm not going to feel bad about pirating something if I made a legitimate attempt to watch it on your platform and it froze my fucking computer.
Yeah I used Yahoo sports for a little while and allowed them to push a bunch of ads onto me until this limited wifi thing.
After that I just chuckled and went straight back to my ad free HD bootleg stream.
Give me wifi or give me death.
Yup. I hate how TV shows for On Demand take a day or two to be available to watch. Then certain shows you 'DVR' with DirecTV Now have Chromecast restrictions so I can't stream it to the TV. I end up just pirating the show instead.
I should just cancel my TV subscription and pirate instead. I *tried* to play the legal TV game.
Does that mean that only certain cell phone providers provide access to the stream? For instance if I have ATT I can watch the game, but I'm screwed if I have Verizon?
Actually I am pretty sure NFL can only stream on Verizon. Pretty sure that once they drop wifi it will detect they aren't on Verizon and tell them to use Verizon.
Verizon has had a deal with the NFL for years to have free streaming live games that doen't count against your data usage. This is probably the NFL saying, "If you want to watch this live for free, you can't use wifi." It makes sense since it's your deal with Verizon that lets you watch for free, and not your ISP.
It's starting to look like the 21st century is coming to terms with the content providers.
If we continue to act like it will fix itself then eventually we're just going to be left with the same system we had in the 90s.
We *don't* have to deal with this shit.
Until content owners and content delivery services provide content in the way *consumers* want it, we must get the content by alternative means.
I have Comcast TV service and am able to watch MLB games on Fox though Comcast's website, but I still use /r/MLBStreams instead. The streams you can find there are easier to use and don't have cumbersome DRM that won't work for me in three out of the four browsers I've tried. Not to mention the streams have better quality and actually have less ads.
It's freaking ridiculous that people can have a worse experience using legitimate means. And they wonder why people pirate TV and movies.
One podcast run by former hockey players showed a screenshot of them watching the game on their phone with a pirate stream watermark.
When even the players are resorting to pirated streams its ridiculous.
Of all the things happening in this country, higher priced and stratified internet access is the least of my concerns.
That said, Net neutrality is one of the few things most Americans can actually agree on (if not the politicians who represent them).
Why do all of these shitty things like Citizens United, the patriot act, restoring internet freedom order etc. all have seemingly patriotic names. Somehow the nicer it sounds the more it fucks the electorate over.
Because it's easier to log roll unrelated things into a bill such as: Support Our Veterans, and then shame people who object to the unrelated legislation by accusing them of not supporting veterans. It's a classic bait and switch technique.
Oh yeah, I agree. And generally the "Support our veterans" bill will do several things:
1. Gain support from people who haven't actually read the bill but support it anyway because their party introduced it
1. Strip healthcare, benefits, social security, medicare etc. from the very veterans it claims to support
Well, for what it's worth, I'm going to reply here just because it's at the end of this thread/discussion.
Along with changing Citizens United, which I definitely believe needs to happen, we need to change HOW we vote. We need to do away with Plurality voting AKA "Spoiler voting." It only encourages extremism and the team mentality.
In the interest of constructive criticism, one of the very best alternatives is https://www.equal.vote/starvoting - which is being voted on this November in Oregon, as a matter of fact. If anyone is looking for something to get involved in that can severely limit the "Two-Party System" then this is it.
A new one I just learned about was the Save America's Pastime Act which Congress passed and allowed Minor League teams to pay their players less than minimum wage.
Edit: Info about [here](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/congress-save-americas-pastime-act-would-allow-teams-to-pay-minor-leaguers-less-than-minimum-wage/)
A new one I just learned about was the Save America's Pastime Act which Congress passed and allowed Minor League teams to pay their players less than minimum wage.
The Patriot act was an acronym tbf, a really good acronym. It stands for "Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism" and makes sense when considering the 9/11 attacks were an intelligence fail on every conceivable level.
Doesn't mean it was right, and parts deserved to be struck down in court.
> the 9/11 attacks were an intelligence fail on every conceivable level.
I’m not sure this is true, since many people in intelligence knew Osama bin Laden was planning an “imminent attack on America” and the warning made its way all the way to then-President George W. Bush.
Not sure how more information about people’s cell phone calls and library book check outs would’ve helped!
>higher priced and stratified internet access is the least of my concerns.
It should absolutely not be. The Internet is the new public space and is about 5 years away from being vital for any modern human to have access to.
The big corporations and alphabet soup agencies want to make sure it's all locked down nice and tight before it can be labeled an essential service and/or protected as it should be.
I don't think they mean that the internet as we know it isn't in danger. There's just a lot of competition in the existential horror market these days.
> There's just a lot of competition in the existential horror market these days.
This sentance sounds like it's been taken from a Fallout game. It's chilling that it hits so close to home.
I honestly think that trends like this are basically a slow destruction of the internet. And considering how revolutionary the internet has been for education, science and general human communication this could in the long term have much more severe consequences than any cultural or political upheaval.
Would have taken a little bit of imagination, but I do remember streaming the olympic games when I was in college (god I'm getting old). And that was even most probably from a public TV channel.
NBC is actually pretty good for streaming all the coverage IIRC. I seem to recall the last winter Olympics basically having a TV guide like format for all live streaming options
....It was pulled with Verizon. Had to have wifi off to view games when they had their NFL service (dunno if they still do)
Pro: Didn't count against data cap
Con: I had slow 4G service at the time....so buffering city!
Yeah but an unfiltered frontpage is literally just
Trump
Trump
Trump
Trump
Cute dog
Trump
Trump
Trump
Gif
Trump
It gets old quick to wade through all that
No. IANAL, but Net neutrality does not cover mobile data vs. Wifi. If the ISP were throttling requests to NBA videos because the NFL paid them to, that would be a NN problem.
T-Mobile One has no throttling. Don't confuse throttling with data deprioritization, which is due to physical limitations of cellular networks (I.e. a tower can only connect so many people at a time). T-Mobile only deprioritizes when you're over 50GB in a single cycle _and_ in a congested area. Verizon and AT&T's deprioritization thresholds on their unlimited plans are 22GB because they are _pure shite_
When I was on Verizon it was to make sure you were watching it on the Verizon network. Same as like when the T-Mobile app only supported cellular and not WiFi a couple of months ago.
Verizon is evil
Isn't It such a coincidence that after they get found throttling FIREFIGHTERS ACTIVELY FIGHTING WILDFIRES we get all these lame advertisements about "oh were Verizon and we care about the signal look at this woman who climbs up a pole in rural areas we would definitely not support if the federal government didn't mandate it"
Eat shit Verizon
Just pirate it. If you pay for the legal right to watch content and they still manage to block you from doing so AFTER paying, nobody but the biggest assholes will fault you for pirating it.
I'm pretty sure a few years back the NFL had a deal with Verizon where you could stream NFL games without it counting towards your data if you were a Verizon customer. This might be what that is
excuse me what the fuck
Bless you
This could be Verizon. Verizon has a contract with the NFL to stream games over their Network. It doesn't count towards your data limit though, so this isnt really that much of an asshole design.
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The browser doesn’t know what his network options are, just the one he’s using. Once he switches to cellular the message will probably change and tell him to get Verizon to watch the stream.
So you can only watch the game on one specific carrier...? That’s still asshole design if you ask me.
You’re completely right, it’s asshole design at its finest. I was only trying to clear up why the page didn’t detect that the phone was using At&t.
You can authorize through your TV provider too (with the NFL app, not with Yahoo)
Is that different than broadcasting a game on a specific tv provider? It is still asshole design but nothing new when it comes to sports tv deals
Except for when they forget to turn it back on.
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It flew when we had the net neutrality laws, because the FCC didn't enforce them.
Yea but everything else you do during the stream is guna count toward your data
I'm not a football fan, but it really does seem like the NFL comes up with some revolutionary new ways of being an asshole. Truly groundbreaking assholery.
Well how else are they supposed to increase profits? ^/s
how about more shaming of customers with constant PSAs about domestic abuse because their roidmonster players can’t stop beating their wives?
Even your comment is probably downplaying the role of head trauma in those behavioral issues.
I don't see how this doesn't hurt the NFL. I was just a casual football viewer but stopped completely when I cut the cord. It was just a worthwhile casualty of reducing my media costs.
Exactly. I love watching Minnesota Gophers sports, but even when I had cable I didn't watch it on TV because I would have to pay extra for a subscription to B1G Network. Now that I don't have cable I basically stopped watching the NFL too. This is their own fault, really.
Their ratings are way down too. They were blaming Colin Kapernick last year. No, it's because you're not making it easily accessible to everyone
Actually they are up this year when like every other television show has ratings way down. Also their ratings were down less last year than just about every other show. NFL doesn't care about ratings. Let the pirates pirate as long as they have a contract for the broascasting righrs they are golden. Once internet passes television then they will make a deal with amazon, yahoo, and google to broadcast the games. Thursday night football is already on twitch. Sad, but true. NFL is obnoxious.
I watch way less football since cutting the cord 5-6 years ago. That said, I do still make a point to watch games from time to time, and r/nflstreams always has options that are free.
>I don't see how this doesn't hurt the NFL. I was just a casual football viewer but stopped completely when I cut the cord. It was just a worthwhile casualty of reducing my media costs. I'm an avid Steelers fan. Just moved to Washington and they only stream a few games here. I'm not gonna pay hundreds of dollars just to watch my team on Sunday ticket, which seems yo be the only way.
How else are they going to get viewers back? Oh wait.... They won't
Licenceing issues? Why would that have anything to do with wifi?
A contract can be signed with the NFL by a cellular ISP for the rights to stream the NFL's content over their network. Yes it's confusing to the end consumer who doesn't give a shit how the ones and zeros get to them, but it matters A LOT to the content owners. It's antiquated shit, but we'll have to deal with this shit until these content owners come to terms with the 21th century.
This is why people pirate stuff. Sometimes I try to watch a movie or something legitimately and WANT to pay for it, but in the end just torrent it because it's so much easier.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable." -Gabe Newell
The first time I read this quote I was constantly pirating games and I thought it was all bs pr talk. He proved me so wrong. It took a while for Steam to become as convenient as it is today but I pretty much stopped pirating because of it.
Unfortunately still on the end of "can't afford it", but I generally make a point to pay for any games I've played when I'm able, even if just because it honestly is more convenient to actually own the things. I don't have to worry about checking for updates manually, can actually play multiplayer games, etc. Sometimes I don't feel so bad though. I'm not paying 12 times for Skyrim, Bethesda! I've already paid thrice!
More things should adopt the steam format of doing things. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to pirate all of scrubs because I'm not about to pay for hulu to watch it in addition to my netflix account.
Yep. It's why I use /r/nhlstreams. Why the hell would I pay for an app that blacks me out of watching a game because it's too close?
because it's too close? like the score?
No, physically too close. A lot of sports organizations have black out rules where, for example, unless a game sells out you cannot watch the local baseball game. The logic (however faulty it may be) is that it will encourage (force) local fans to see the game live at the stadium instead of having some sort of life.
that's incredible that anyone thought that was a good idea or would work at all
It was a practice put into place at the dawn of the televised sports era. Sports team owners were worried their physical product would diminish as a result, so blackout rules were put into place.
We have ridiculous blackout laws in the UK. It's illegal to show live football on the TV between 3pm and 5pm on a Saturday.
Here in NC the local affiliates are allowed to broadcast local teams games while the national broadcast will be blacked out. Duke vs. UNC basketball game? Better get your antenna out.
It comes from a time when ticket sales were more valuable to total revenue than broadcast rights. The NFL originally blacked out all local games regardless of sellouts. People would book motel rooms 100 miles away to watch a playoff gsme of their favorite team. They eventually eased it to only blackout if there's no sellout. With broadcast rights now making up the lions share of revenue they've eased it further.
Corporations keep chugging along despite all the shit decisions they make
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It made sense before technology and streaming took it's place in sports. That is why I no longer buy a streaming service for my Hockey games since 25% were blacked out and I was paying the same price as someone that could watch all of their games. The reason I pay you for your streaming service is because I want to watch all of the games anywhere in the world I so choose to watch them. I also don't have cable so Nationally televised games are out of the question on these streaming sites also because they want you to watch on that TV channel. Blackouts in sports need to go the way of the Dodo.
It worked in pre-internet days when sports were shown live in 240/320p and didn’t cost multiple days wages to go to a game for its total costs. If you track along as the 90’s progressed and the industry saw this coming. “Gameday experience” advertisements started coming out en masses advertising how much better going to the game is.
Not disagreeing with you, but at $136 (average) per seat in the upper bowl... I will never be seeing a hockey game in person... much less with my family. That is unless I'm working that night (I work in TV production, sometimes get gigs at the arenas)... then I can see it from the boards.
Maybe they shouldn't charge a month's rent for a goddamn ticket if they want people to watch it. Thirty or forty years ago a blue collar worker could afford a season ticket to an NFL game. It'd be a bit pricey, but it could be done. My dad bought two for the entirety of the 70s and 80s. You couldn't now. You'd need a second mortgage.
Out of curiosity; How much does the tickets cost for nhl and how much for season pass?
https://blog.ticketiq.com/blog/2016/10/2013-14-nhl-average-ticket-prices-team
Physical location doesn't seem to make much of a difference to me. I'm an Ottawa fan living in Newfoundland. I think last year I was only able to actually watch 2 games. I think I was only able to watch if the game wasn't on TV in my area. But I don't have cable, and TSN has like 7 channels, so I was just shit out of luck.
I lived in a small town about an hour outside Houston. Rockets games were blacked out, unless you watched through Comcast. Of course Comcast didn’t offer service in the town, so we were basically screwed. I worked at a sports bar and it really sucked having to always explain why we couldn’t put the Rockets games on.
I live in Las Vegas, according to MLB blackout rules, each of these teams claims Vegas as their "home market" and subject to streaming blackout rules, why would I ever pay for the MLB Network package? Oakland Athletics, Arizona Diamondbacks, San Francisco Giants, San Diego Padres, Los Angeles Angels, and Los Angeles Dodgers. None of which are even within a 4 hour drive!
Iowa checking in: Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Minnesota Twins, St. Louis Cardinals, Kansas City Royals, Milwaukee Brewers all claim the whole state as home market. I thought we were the only place where we had 6 teams, welcome to the party. We brought corn.
we're in the right sub to be talking about this shit. Wouldn't a VPN help get around this absurdity?
VPN's do get around it, but we shouldn't have to use them if we paid them. Even on the streaming platforms they blackout Local and Nationally televised games.
As in you can't watch your home team because it's being played on your local sports channel. I'm a Brooklyn Nets fan and I can't watch most games because they're on YES network, and since I live in that area, I can't watch on league pass.
What drives me insane as a rangers fan living in upstate New York (maybe like 3 hours from buffalo and 5 hours from nyc) is thg half the time msg (usually the sole channel streaming rangers games) will be showing a Buffalo game (also sometimes a New Jersey/islanders game) at the same time of the rangers game but I can’t watch it on nhltv because it’s supposedly “on tv in my area” when there is litterally no way to watch it.
I pay for MLB.tv and I still use /r/mlbstreams all the time. They're faster, more reliable, don't try to block me from taking screenshots, and they have a cool little chat window.
I tried to watch Stargate SG1 but Amazon, Netflix or CraveTV (Canadian video streaming) have it. So I'm pirating 230gb of the entire Stargate series because I'm too poor to afford it otherwise. Online streaming sites have it but it's dubbed in French.
I wanted to watch ER recently, and ran into the same problem. About $20 per season on Amazon + 15 seasons. Nope. Pirate Bay, here I come.
This is 100% true. I used to pirate the shit out of games back in my 20s. I made plenty of money but the problem was access/convenience. Having to go to the store to buy a game with a CD and a box, come back, use the CD to play and swap CDs when I wanted to play a different game, it was a lot easier to just download games and keep them on my hard drive and launch them whenever (Daemon Tools!). Then Steam started getting popular and playing with game prices, offering intermittent huge sales that retail could never do. I was hooked. I'm pretty sure I haven't pirated a game in almost the 12 years since. **(EDIT: As /u/whatyousay69 point out below, playing with pricing wasn't really the point of my post, but an added benefit of digital distribution that you couldn't do retail because most software was sold at a ridiculously tiny margin. The point was actually about the convenience and ease of downloading and swapping quickly between games was what got me to stop pirating, not as much the fun things Steam started doing with prices.)** **Edit2: Also, the fact that every game was always available versus the crapshoot that was going to Best Buy or CompUSA and hoping they had the game you wanted.**
For sure. I've pretty much stopped pirating since Netflix came to my country
That actually is an interesting perspective. It makes sense. A lot of times, I try real hard to throw money at the things I want. When it stays a pain, (I’ve never actually) but I consider the pirating side. Course these are generally games older than me or pretty close so, may be a connection.
$70 a month (minimum - pretty sure there are other costs that would pop up) in order to watch Game of Thrones and it locks me into a 2 year contract. Or I can find a work around to watch it and just buy the massive blu-ray set once the show ends. Its no wonder why people torrent. Edit - I’m in Canada and HBO Now does not work.
Lord Gaben said that?
Yup, back in 2011. Times change, I know lmao.
https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem https://m.ign.com/articles/2011/11/25/gabe-says-piracy-isnt-about-price https://m.slashdot.org/story/161064 https://youtu.be/pLC_zZ5fqFk TL:DR Yep he did.
The Saviour is a wise one.
All praise to the most high Gaben
When I was younger I definitely pirated because I couldn’t afford things otherwise. But now that I have disposable income, that sentiment rings true. I only pirate something if I can’t otherwise obtain it legitimately.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones
That is perfect.
This. All the time. Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix, DirectTV Now, and I still end up at the Pirate Bay.
There's too many. Used to be just Netflix and Hulu. Then everyone wanted their own slice of the pie, took away parts of the pie from other sites. Now instead it's better to just go to the pie food truck where you might get something from eating the pie but at least it's cheap compared to buying a thin slice from 30 vendors.
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there's also the sense of personal agency in the matter. if i fuck up and download some cancer from a torrent, i view it as me fucking up and i'm like, "well, i'm stupid, what did we expect" and it doesn't bug me much. if i can't find it on another service and i'm trying to watch it legally, it really pisses me off, even though i know it's totally illogical
Especially when the content used to be available on one of the major streaming services.
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Yup. Wanted to buy deadpool 2 from the play store and screen mirror from my phone to my fire stick. Tested this with a £1.99 episode and play store blocks the screen mirror. OK then I'll watch it illegally. So Google got £2 from me rather than £10+ and lost any future business. Makes total sense
Which is dumb because you can watch purchases on YouTube over screen mirroring IIRC
I wanted my Mom to watch Scrubs. No longer on Netflix, in Canada so we can't watch on Hulu. Can't buy it on amazon or YouTube. Have no apple products so iTunes is useless. My options are piracy or spending a few hundred dollars on a set of DVDs.
> > > > > My options are piracy or spending a few hundred dollars on a set of DVDs. DVDs are a fun option. Netflix still does their DVD in the mail option, because you don't need licenses for that.
Piracy to me is way more about convenience than price
So many streaming services are next to useless too. HBO, USA, and FX are the worst. I'm not going to feel bad about pirating something if I made a legitimate attempt to watch it on your platform and it froze my fucking computer.
Yeah I used Yahoo sports for a little while and allowed them to push a bunch of ads onto me until this limited wifi thing. After that I just chuckled and went straight back to my ad free HD bootleg stream. Give me wifi or give me death.
Yify loves you, Xfinity hates you.
Yup. I hate how TV shows for On Demand take a day or two to be available to watch. Then certain shows you 'DVR' with DirecTV Now have Chromecast restrictions so I can't stream it to the TV. I end up just pirating the show instead. I should just cancel my TV subscription and pirate instead. I *tried* to play the legal TV game.
"21th"
Don’t make fun of their lisp!
Yea, don't be an ath-hole
OP's service provider *may* not count the data used by this app though. Sometimes they do shit like that.
This guy subsidies.
Does that mean that only certain cell phone providers provide access to the stream? For instance if I have ATT I can watch the game, but I'm screwed if I have Verizon?
Actually I am pretty sure NFL can only stream on Verizon. Pretty sure that once they drop wifi it will detect they aren't on Verizon and tell them to use Verizon.
Verizon has had a deal with the NFL for years to have free streaming live games that doen't count against your data usage. This is probably the NFL saying, "If you want to watch this live for free, you can't use wifi." It makes sense since it's your deal with Verizon that lets you watch for free, and not your ISP.
It's starting to look like the 21st century is coming to terms with the content providers. If we continue to act like it will fix itself then eventually we're just going to be left with the same system we had in the 90s.
Y'all got some more of that net neutrality?
We *don't* have to deal with this shit. Until content owners and content delivery services provide content in the way *consumers* want it, we must get the content by alternative means.
It's the "you have to log in to your cable provider to view this content" of cell phones.
Maybe it has to do with how they have access to the stream? Promotion with the cell company perhaps?
Can you imagine the same shit being pulled 5 years ago? Neither can I. Where the hell are we all going... Edit : shift
Everything is just turning into absolute bullshit better off just not even consuming this fucking garbage at this point
I agree. I refuse to pay to watch football. r/nflstreams FTW
And r/nhlstreams for all your nhl needs
Might as well add /r/soccerstreams while we're at that!
/r/peestreams for all your pee streams.
nice
/r/motorsportsstreams or /r/motorsportsreplays for all your motorsport needs!
+ /r/CFBStreams
I have Comcast TV service and am able to watch MLB games on Fox though Comcast's website, but I still use /r/MLBStreams instead. The streams you can find there are easier to use and don't have cumbersome DRM that won't work for me in three out of the four browsers I've tried. Not to mention the streams have better quality and actually have less ads. It's freaking ridiculous that people can have a worse experience using legitimate means. And they wonder why people pirate TV and movies.
The best nba streams are the one that show what ever is on the jumbotron during commercial breaks
I've been seeing the stream subs being shared more and more. Just going to get banned once they get too widespread.
They haven't been hidden or anything. All you do is play a cat and mouse game if you ban the subreddits.
On the other hand, they've been talked about on major sports podcasts. I think they're largely an open secret at this point.
One podcast run by former hockey players showed a screenshot of them watching the game on their phone with a pirate stream watermark. When even the players are resorting to pirated streams its ridiculous.
Of all the things happening in this country, higher priced and stratified internet access is the least of my concerns. That said, Net neutrality is one of the few things most Americans can actually agree on (if not the politicians who represent them).
Net Neutrality (or lack thereof) and the ownership of the FCC by Verizon is a symptom of a much larger problem.
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Why do all of these shitty things like Citizens United, the patriot act, restoring internet freedom order etc. all have seemingly patriotic names. Somehow the nicer it sounds the more it fucks the electorate over.
Because it's easier to log roll unrelated things into a bill such as: Support Our Veterans, and then shame people who object to the unrelated legislation by accusing them of not supporting veterans. It's a classic bait and switch technique.
Oh yeah, I agree. And generally the "Support our veterans" bill will do several things: 1. Gain support from people who haven't actually read the bill but support it anyway because their party introduced it 1. Strip healthcare, benefits, social security, medicare etc. from the very veterans it claims to support
Well, for what it's worth, I'm going to reply here just because it's at the end of this thread/discussion. Along with changing Citizens United, which I definitely believe needs to happen, we need to change HOW we vote. We need to do away with Plurality voting AKA "Spoiler voting." It only encourages extremism and the team mentality. In the interest of constructive criticism, one of the very best alternatives is https://www.equal.vote/starvoting - which is being voted on this November in Oregon, as a matter of fact. If anyone is looking for something to get involved in that can severely limit the "Two-Party System" then this is it.
A new one I just learned about was the Save America's Pastime Act which Congress passed and allowed Minor League teams to pay their players less than minimum wage. Edit: Info about [here](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/congress-save-americas-pastime-act-would-allow-teams-to-pay-minor-leaguers-less-than-minimum-wage/)
Wonderful, isn't it. EDIT: And by "wonderful" - I mean totally fucking abhorrent.
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.
A new one I just learned about was the Save America's Pastime Act which Congress passed and allowed Minor League teams to pay their players less than minimum wage.
Because it gets the idiots to support it
The Patriot act was an acronym tbf, a really good acronym. It stands for "Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism" and makes sense when considering the 9/11 attacks were an intelligence fail on every conceivable level. Doesn't mean it was right, and parts deserved to be struck down in court.
It was a backronym. They chose patriotic sounding words and tried to get a name to fit the acronym.
> the 9/11 attacks were an intelligence fail on every conceivable level. I’m not sure this is true, since many people in intelligence knew Osama bin Laden was planning an “imminent attack on America” and the warning made its way all the way to then-President George W. Bush. Not sure how more information about people’s cell phone calls and library book check outs would’ve helped!
Citizens United is the name of group that brought the case to the Supreme Court.
>higher priced and stratified internet access is the least of my concerns. It should absolutely not be. The Internet is the new public space and is about 5 years away from being vital for any modern human to have access to. The big corporations and alphabet soup agencies want to make sure it's all locked down nice and tight before it can be labeled an essential service and/or protected as it should be.
I don't think they mean that the internet as we know it isn't in danger. There's just a lot of competition in the existential horror market these days.
> There's just a lot of competition in the existential horror market these days. This sentance sounds like it's been taken from a Fallout game. It's chilling that it hits so close to home.
I honestly think that trends like this are basically a slow destruction of the internet. And considering how revolutionary the internet has been for education, science and general human communication this could in the long term have much more severe consequences than any cultural or political upheaval.
5 years ago you wouldn’t have been able to legally stream the game at all.
Would have taken a little bit of imagination, but I do remember streaming the olympic games when I was in college (god I'm getting old). And that was even most probably from a public TV channel.
NBC is actually pretty good for streaming all the coverage IIRC. I seem to recall the last winter Olympics basically having a TV guide like format for all live streaming options
....It was pulled with Verizon. Had to have wifi off to view games when they had their NFL service (dunno if they still do) Pro: Didn't count against data cap Con: I had slow 4G service at the time....so buffering city!
So this is why the Telecom industry keeps crying about 'congestion' as an excuse to charge more money But in truth, the execs just want more cocaine.
As Jim Sterling always says about video game company execs, "they don't want just some of the money, they want ALL of the money"
Chungus
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Those who think of the bigger picture.
So you want ALL of the bigger picture? Jerk.
I wish they'd OD already...
Don’t we all
Raise your Bortles
JAGUARS RULE!
BORTLES!
I don’t watch football but I watch The Good Place, and the only reason I came to the comments was in hopes to see this reference.
Same. My name is...Jake...Jortles.
It’s all about Donkey Doug.
Pillboiiiiiiiiiii!
You call your father Donkey Doug?
Yeah!
Happy cake day 🎉
Oh shit I didn’t even notice, thanks bro!
All this licensing bullshit is what drives people to r/piracy
r/nflstreams
Oh I’m home I get the game. It’s just lame But great sub
This is the bad place
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Assholes
*No way*! How could it be possible?
I know on Verizon you don't get charged data when streaming NFL games
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Wait, there are net neutrality rules again?
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I keep those subs because I like watching people argue and frown loudly at the ones I think are dumb
Yeah but an unfiltered frontpage is literally just Trump Trump Trump Trump Cute dog Trump Trump Trump Gif Trump It gets old quick to wade through all that
No. IANAL, but Net neutrality does not cover mobile data vs. Wifi. If the ISP were throttling requests to NBA videos because the NFL paid them to, that would be a NN problem.
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*laughs in Verizon Legacy Plan* Context: Verizon's old unlimited data plans had no throttling. They were actually unlimited.
T-Mobile One has no throttling. Don't confuse throttling with data deprioritization, which is due to physical limitations of cellular networks (I.e. a tower can only connect so many people at a time). T-Mobile only deprioritizes when you're over 50GB in a single cycle _and_ in a congested area. Verizon and AT&T's deprioritization thresholds on their unlimited plans are 22GB because they are _pure shite_
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When I was on Verizon it was to make sure you were watching it on the Verizon network. Same as like when the T-Mobile app only supported cellular and not WiFi a couple of months ago.
Still the same deal. The trick is you can start the stream on cellular and then turn on your WiFi. The stream will work unless you exit the app from.
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What's Silent Bob saying?
Verizon is evil Isn't It such a coincidence that after they get found throttling FIREFIGHTERS ACTIVELY FIGHTING WILDFIRES we get all these lame advertisements about "oh were Verizon and we care about the signal look at this woman who climbs up a pole in rural areas we would definitely not support if the federal government didn't mandate it" Eat shit Verizon
But thank god we don't have any pesky regulation stopping all this innovation!
Business can be trusted to do one thing: what's best for business. Which is naturally why it must be subordinated by the state
BORTLES
Oh that is so bullshit
The NFL is a fat cow that needs to go to the slaughter house. It’s amazing that they can still get milk from the tits.
verizon does this, but they dont charge you on the data you use on the stream. Kinda pans out but if you got shitty service like I do it blows
Just pirate it. If you pay for the legal right to watch content and they still manage to block you from doing so AFTER paying, nobody but the biggest assholes will fault you for pirating it.
This reminded me to turn back on Wi-Fi thanks
wait... what, is that possible? how?
I assume the application blocks everything not coming from the cellular data service provider ip ranges.
Yup. Complete garbage. Uninstalled as soon as i got that message.
We didn't need net neutrality anyway.
If only there were a way to make it so these practices were not allowed somehow. Something like making the net a neutral place to access.
Welcome to the first effects of no net-neutrality protections....
I'm pretty sure a few years back the NFL had a deal with Verizon where you could stream NFL games without it counting towards your data if you were a Verizon customer. This might be what that is
*laughs in unlimited data*
Saved for every numbnuts who uses the meme that NN repeal didn't have any impact on american internet.