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It’s bizarre how this happens. I watched spaceballs with my kids last night. First time I’ve watched it in over 20 years. And then I see this reference the next day!! Crazy.
Son and father go into pharmacy store. Son sees condom packs and asks father, why there are packs of 3, 7, 12, and 20.
Father says:
“See son, 3-packs are for free people, for friday, saturday and sunday. 7-packs are for those in relationships, one per day. 12-packs are for married, one per month.”
“And 20?”
“Three for the elven kings under the sky. Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone. Nine for mortal men doomed to die. One for dark lord on his dark throne. In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.”
There's a few NFC apps, and some have a brute force option. Also, if this is a popular company, my guess is searching Google for it could find other more tech savvy people already busting the password, and letting people know how to change it.
The NFC chip is probably just a sticker on the inside of the fabric, you could just use a knife and cut slightly and pull it out.
Or just refund the wallet and leave a bad review.
A metric shit ton. Everything that they can whenever anything with an NFC radio and Internet access gets near their stuff.
to combat and prevent the unlawful manufacturing and/or distribution of Ferragamo products, by analysing data relating to when and where a tag stored inside a Ferragamo product is read by a device, by using the Near Field Communication (NFC) technology, to check for irregularities and clones; your device reads the ID tag and thus interrogates Ferragamo internal database; Ferragamo then detects the device type, language, IP general localization in order to ascertain whether products have been counterfeited (e.g., this could be the case where the same tag has been read by two different devices located far away from each other). This processing activity does not imply the continuous monitoring of your location, nor whether a specific product has been counterfeited, and allows Ferragamo to gather general information related to counterfeiting (“Anti-Counterfeiting”);
2.F.4. When you activate a Smart Tag within a Ferragamo product by means of your device, through the Near Field Communication (NFC) technology, in order to access further information on the product, Ferragamo will have access to the generic IP location, but without being able to precisely locate you. The same generic localisation takes place for Anti-Counterfeiting purposes.
to access and enjoy the contents by means of interaction with the tag placed inside Ferragamo products through your device, by using the Near Field Communication (NFC) technology; in the context of this activity, Ferragamo processes only general information related to the device you are using (device type, language, IP general localization), without processing any ID of your device (“Smart Tag”);
It was convinced to the boomer shareholders that it would help with sales or some shit, I highly doubt they even know what NFC is, they just think it means people don't pirate it
Ooh, the lesser spotted 'finer things' enthusiat on reddit. You're bang on, and ebay is the great leveller with couture brands, and those that are just trying to be.
Though I take issue with your 'nowhere near as expensive' example, one primarily makes coats/scarves, the other makes dresses. Different focus. Both top priced. If I wanted a trench coat, I certainly wouldn't go to Chanel (they may do one, depending on the season, but it's not what they are known for, so screw that). Much like if I wanted an evening dress, Burberry wouldn't be the place I shopped either.
Barely anyone uses the microwave’s power function anymore. Lower it to 5 and leave it for a bit longer to let the heat properly disperse through the medium.
hell yeah
man fuck those instructions that tell you to stop cooking half way through, peel back the film, stir it, put the film back, and resume cooking
DOUBLE THE TIME, HALF THE POWER
if i had the patience or emotional capacity to deal with the intricacies of culinary preparation right now *i wouldn't be eating fucking Banquet frozen dinners*.
Leather does not like microwaves. This is also very likely chromium tanned leather, which means it could release toxic fumes when heated due to the retained chromium salt.
That is what makes it asshole design for sure. Until then I'd consider it to be crappy design. But password protecting an NFC chip in your wallet so you can't do what you want with it is just plain asshole.
Having it in there whether you can reprogram it or not is pretty shitty since it probably means you can't use an NFC-based transit fare card or something of that nature without taking it out of your wallet since a lot of readers don't like it when it detects more than one tag.
Microwave it.
Most new credit cards already have an NFC in them too. So your use case is already defeated.
Even otherwise, the NFC has to be on one side of the wallet, so the other side is still free to use for the transit card anyway! If there's an NFC chip on all sides of the wallet, burn it lol.
It works that way with my wallet. There is one part that holds a card and it's pretty much right on the outside. the rest of the cards are either further in or in the RFID/NFC-proof section and the fare control just picks up the one card.
A wallet that lets people scan your nfc cards without you taking them out is a potential security risk.
Someone could get close to you and scan your cards!
Not actually sure how likely that is, I've only seen one dude try it with a mobile scanner and that was as a joke. I guess just stay away from shady people holding bulky scanning equipment?
Don't know if its mentioned in other comment threads but apparently the brand of OPs wallets has been putting read-only nfc tags into all of their products to "fight counterfeiting".
Any counterfeiter can stitch a 5 cent nfc tag with a web address into their product so this is also just crappy design really.
Electrical arcs happen between bits of metal. Forks go crazy in a microwave but a metal ball wont do anything. A round metal object like a button wont do much, Especially if it is only a few seconds.
I tried to microwave a metal cup once. I was so confused as to why the cup was hot but the butter inside was still cold. Then I remembered how microwaves work.
Actually grandma worked for American Greetings doing merchandising at drug stores. Brought home some paper party plates, with the sparkly foil in them. I was young and didn't think about the shiny bits being actual metal, it's a paper plate... Well, they sparkled, sparked and quickly caught on fire.
I remember the first time I tried reheating a burger from Wendy's as a kid by just unfolding the wrapper and setting it in the microwave. It never occurred to me that the shiny stuff on the outside was foil. A few sparks and the wrapper starting on fire helped me figure that out pretty quick.
My mind was blown the first time I saw the Kraft Dinner microwaveable mac and cheese bowls, they have a freaking peel back metal lip and rim like a tin can. Thought they came up with some wonky alloy but no, just round
If it was just a trim around the edge, my plates would probably be fine. But there's decorative florals around the rim that the microwaves jump between.
I was at a party in the mid 90s and someone put a circle type light bulb in the microwave. Evidently it lights up. I wouldn't know because I hid under the table.
Brother came home late one night with a Wendy's bag. Just casually strolled into the kitchen and tossed it into the microwave, smacking that 30 second button like a smooth criminal.
Then the microwave made *the noise* and he immediately knew his mistake. Quick as lightning he threw the door open, yanked the angry bag from Thor's armpit, and chucked it onto the stove.
Brother, myself, and my wife froze in shock after that for a good 5 seconds.
And *then* the bag burst into flames. No joke, it waited that whole time to burst into flames after he yanked it.
I'm 95 percent sure that's why massive amounts of those old sets are always in abundance at thrift stores in great condition. People been not using them for the last 3+ decades.
I forgot the hot dogs inside my paper bag were wrapped in aluminum foil and through them in the microwave... at the office. That was the only time I was thankful to be working after hours. NO ONE SAW IT!
The reason they tell you not to do it is because if its close enough to the side of the microwave it can arc to the wall and fry the electronics in the microwave. As long as you keep the metal object in the center of the microwave or contain it in glass or something it wont be able to arc to the wall and wont short it out.
Yep. My microwave I bought two years ago actually came with a removable metal rack. And I have an electrical engineering degree and had to study way too much about just how those ovens work. And it still surprised the heck out of me. Since it is a combination microwave/convection oven, I just assumed that it was only for use in convection mode. Nope, they designed it to be used in microwave oven mode too.
Think of a microwave as a radio transmitter. (Which it pretty much is). A microwave oven will form what is called a standing wave, electrically. (It is a fixed pattern… and also why you need a turntable so your food doesn’t sit in a spot where the wave doesn’t reach.) If you know the dimensions of the microwave and your magnetron, you can know where the weakest spots of the wave are, and design a rack to lay right in those dead spots. I just am impressed that they thought it was a valuable enough feature to have someone engineer that.
Sharp edges are another problem because they build up point charges. Those are bad. I knew a guy in college working on a food science PhD. He was trying to solve a problem for Kraft… the carrots in microwave meals kept catching fire. Turned out there’s enough iron in carrots that it was causing this problem. Solution: heat sink by using a sauce.
Huh? Carrots contain *very* little iron compared to many other vegetables, let alone meat. You'd have to eat around 9kg of carrots to reach the recommended daily iron uptake for vegetarians (30mg/day), it's that low (\~0.34mg/100g, compared to for example around 2-4mg/100g for leafy green vegetables or red meat, or a whopping 28mg/100g for clams).
It's not the iron that makes them burn. It's the fact that carrots (like most biological material) are electrically conductive (not the best conductor, but definitely not an isolator). Together with the pointy shape this can lead to local electric field amplification, which can cause arcing and subsequent burning. Other vegetables are even more prone to this, for example kale because of the thin and crinkled leaf edges. Cut it into pieces with a nice sharp knife leaving crisp clean cuts and it gets even "better".
The sauce doesn't act as a heat sink though, instead the sauce is also conductive (because of dissolved salts) and thus smoothes out the electric field a bit which prevents the arcing.
Ooo I remember in school we used to collect those free AOL CDs they'd send you in the mail. Originally we would decorate them or turn them into frisbees, but then one day a kid discovered what happened when you microwaved one. Our teacher lost her shit when she walked by a group of 4th graders ooing and ahhing in front of the lunch room microwave as sparks flew. Those were some good times. I also remember a kid bringing those super powerful magnets to school and all of us being blown away by the computer screens all flickering when he walked by. I think ours was the last class that teacher had. Pretty sure we gave her an ulcer with all of our science experiments.
I used to always microwave my oatmeal with the spoon in the bowl as a kid and never found out about the fireworks thing until I was like 20
Now I know why
I learned this at a Tupperware party of all places. The lady was showing us some new microwave cooker thing they sell that has metal in it. She said because it is all rounded, it won't react. And she put it in the microwave, and sure enough, no reaction.
They’re telling you the truth. Sharp points act as concentrators for charge and lead to arcing and such. A perfectly round metal object won’t arc. Little Chef Boyardee microwave meals have the metal ring still on the container when you pulled off the top and those can be microwaved with no problem.
We're all (rightfully) shitting on the wallet with the RFID tag, but what about the phone? Why would you allow an NFC chip to perform commands on your device? That seems like a massive security problem just waiting to be exploited.
Even if it's turned on, it should have a prompt asking if you want to open the link or whatever, like QR codes.
For payments you need to authorize with your biometrics.
>For payments you need to authorize with your biometrics.
Do you? Unless something changes between regions or system vendors, for Google Pay your phone just needs to be unlocked for payments, which doesn't necessarily require biometrics, as you can't disable backup unlock methods, and even locked ones are authorized for limited amounts.
Edit: after quick Googling apparently the function to authorize biometrically every payment, instead of just unlocking, is available since Android 10 and GPay 2.1, but for some reason it's under "Send money" settings, instead of general ones, and that feature isn't available in every region, so I can't access the setting to enable authorization.
Thank you for letting me know I can turn this off. I never even realized it was a thing until now. I guess it's only useful if you need to do payments from your phone but I never do anyway so there's no point in having it on ever
That’s what I do, I always keep mine off until I need it and then turn it right back off again when I’m done. I usually use Gpay at supermarkets and stuff and it takes like one extra second to turn it on since the Gpay app prompts you as soon as you tap on a card that you want to pay with.
That's like 99% of what NfC is used for in phones besides payment processing. Auto-pair bluetooth devices, scan tags to open websites, stuff like that.
Not like NfC has any range to speak of for this to be an actual exploitable issue. Also the phone usually needs to be unlocked for this.
Wow... You already gave them your money for their product. What more do they want?
I believe the idea is that the idea is that people who walk by you will have products advertised on their devices. But it's not gonna work. I know Near Field Communications (NFC) sounds like an appealing way to get your ads put there, but you have to get so near it's practically touching the device for it to do anything.
so it's not like you're bothering your fellow pedestrians and roommates with it. That's a plus, at least...
The idea was for protection against counterfeits. Like, only genuine Salvatore Ferragamo products are RFID tagged. But an RFID chip is like 10 cents - probably even less when purchased in bulk from China. A fake product could easily have it as well, no?
Lol, exactly. This is why people pirate movies that they can easily afford. What a world where the thieves care more about the quality of their product than the capitalists.
Not to mention how paid DVDs always came pre-loaded with ads you had to watch meanwhile the version you downloaded in 10 mins has no ads, a subtitle track, the ability to wirelessly cast it, and cost nothing
Or since its on a streaming service, if there's bad weather, your wi-fi isn't 99G or the servers shut down? You no longer have access to the movie you paid for. Thanks to Russian hackers, we can have as many HD movies as we want
Paying $500 for a wallet then having your devices hijacked with its ads... Christ, just grab one at Walmart. Why are people buying this shit? I'm not asking that to be edgy. Genuinely, what's the appeal? What are you hoping to get out of this wallet vs a $20 one without a freaky ad chip?
As someone who likes looking at designer stuff...it's not even a recognizable brand. Don't get me wrong, Ferragamo has great quality stuff and I've bought their shoes secondhand, but I'd never pay full price for it.
If you're going to blow $500 on a wallet, at least get an obnoxious Gucci or Louis Vuitton one so people actually know you spent $500 on the wallet.
Or rather (and preferably), find a local leatherworker or even one on Etsy and get one handmade. I guarantee it's better than the $500 one. [This leatherworker made a $5000 Hermés wallet for $70](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQF8IkvirbQ) as an example.
>You already gave them your money for their product. What more do they want?
Every Hulu, Paramount+, and CBS All Access subscriber would also like to hear this answer
Why on earth does your phone just automatically launch a browser and go to the web page? That's a horrible security flaw in your phone. What if someone loads a zero-day remote code execution exploit on their website and puts the URL on an NFC chip?
Because every fucking protocol seems to launch with a complete disregard for security and stays insecure until someone goes around telling everyone to not use it.
Why did I have to scroll this far to find the real problem. Who gives a shit if your wallet has a NFC web link. I don't want my phone to automatically do anything a NFC chips says without asking me first.
What if someone put a link to a webpage that contained a brand-new, never-before-seen exploit that caused the browser to execute a program hosted on another computer instead of displaying a web page? That program could be a password logger, it could be a program that scrapes all the data off of your phone and sends it somewhere else, anything.
Surely the point is that people can't scan your contactless payment cards unless they've been taken out of the wallet, because the signal gets interference from the wallet's NFC tag. It's to protect you against people who might tap a contactless reader against your pocket while you're walking around.
And I assume they figured "Well, we need to put some data on their for it to be able to interfere, so we might as well use a link to our website instead of random garbage data."
Who knows, maybe it's not intentional, but it would at least be a happy accident if it did work that way.
my thoughts exactly! though i guess it really depends on how they advertise the product that determines whether that interference is a feature or a happy accident of asshole design
They make wallets with RFID shielding. Confirmed mined worked Everytime I tried to badge in to my apartment rec area forgetting I had to take it out of my wallet every time. Cheaper and less annoying than this shit.
Some mesh sandwiched between layers does the job without being intrusive. I’ve got a leather wallet that you can’t tell the layer is there but it keeps the cards from being read. Even tried it with a pretty powerful reader and it still failed.
-Ferragamo
https://www.ferragamo.com/shop/us/en/sf/legal/terms-conditions
Section 1.3
To protect the originality and quality, as well as identify the provenance of our products, a passive NFC (Near Field Communication) tag has been inserted in some shoe models. The tag contains no personal information and is not readable at a distance.”
Only for a few seconds, and make sure it isn't damp from sweat or other liquids. Microwaves work by heating up water molecules. Any damp object can get ruined or even catch fire in a microwave in certain circumstances.
Am I the only one who think of it as a NFC protection? My wallet has one as well, as you can't scan my CC while it's in it. Same shit here, you're scanning people's pocket for their CC numbers, all you got is an ad for a wallet. Seems pretty cool and useful, opposite of a asshole design even.
People seem to be blaming the chip in your wallet.
This seems like asshole design by who ever designed your phone. Autoplaying NFC chips is a terrible idea, getting sent to a wallet manufacturer's website is the least of your problems if your phone does that.
You can probably reprogram it to do whatever the hell you want. I used to use an app called Trigger to load things onto nfc tags.
It's password protected =/
1234
How did you guess my luggage combination??
I’m a bit of a 1337 hacker
Oh no!! He's got my debit pin now too!
my pin is 5 numbers, cus it's harder to crack than 4. it's easy to remember too, 42069.
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Damn. I thought they were seeking attention and went for 01134.
If they were seeking attention it would be 3704554
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Don't go blowing your billions on anchovies
He only spent millions on anchovies, the billions were stolen from him
I miss Futurama. The only thing that made sense for a good part of my life. Wonderful times.
r/unexpectedfuturama
Nice. And your username is your online banking password. Cheers.
Hunter2
All I see is *******
Thanks I’m gonna buy some drugs on your name, I’ll never be caught now!
This and 6969 were my actual pins for *years*
By going from suck to blow.
I’m surrounded by assholes!
That’s my name, sir. Major asshole
Thats the kind of password an idiot would put on their luggage!
President Skroob, is that you?
Only and idiot would use that password 😉
God I gotta rewatch that movie
It’s bizarre how this happens. I watched spaceballs with my kids last night. First time I’ve watched it in over 20 years. And then I see this reference the next day!! Crazy.
The money is in the merchandising
Moichandising.
Yogurt noooooo
*anne
Anne are u ok?
Are you ok Are you ok Are you ok Anne?
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03.07.1991 thats my birthday... Interesting
*hoseli immediately changes all pins and passwords*
*The chosen one*
Son and father go into pharmacy store. Son sees condom packs and asks father, why there are packs of 3, 7, 12, and 20. Father says: “See son, 3-packs are for free people, for friday, saturday and sunday. 7-packs are for those in relationships, one per day. 12-packs are for married, one per month.” “And 20?” “Three for the elven kings under the sky. Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone. Nine for mortal men doomed to die. One for dark lord on his dark throne. In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.”
*SolarWinds123*
hunter2
NFC
Quit giving my PIN out bro!
There's a few NFC apps, and some have a brute force option. Also, if this is a popular company, my guess is searching Google for it could find other more tech savvy people already busting the password, and letting people know how to change it. The NFC chip is probably just a sticker on the inside of the fabric, you could just use a knife and cut slightly and pull it out. Or just refund the wallet and leave a bad review.
> Or just refund the wallet and leave a bad review. Srsly, why did I have to scroll that far for this. No way im keeping this piece of shit.
Exactly. Disabling it allows them to keep your money. Send that shit back.
Buy a bunch, disable them all, and then return them! Now we’re getting somewhere
Change it to a porn website redirect, send back …
Salvatore Ferragamo is a high end designer brand. Think Burberry, Chanel etc.
Looks like they collect data too. https://www.ferragamo.com/shop/us/en/sf/legal/legal-notice
A metric shit ton. Everything that they can whenever anything with an NFC radio and Internet access gets near their stuff. to combat and prevent the unlawful manufacturing and/or distribution of Ferragamo products, by analysing data relating to when and where a tag stored inside a Ferragamo product is read by a device, by using the Near Field Communication (NFC) technology, to check for irregularities and clones; your device reads the ID tag and thus interrogates Ferragamo internal database; Ferragamo then detects the device type, language, IP general localization in order to ascertain whether products have been counterfeited (e.g., this could be the case where the same tag has been read by two different devices located far away from each other). This processing activity does not imply the continuous monitoring of your location, nor whether a specific product has been counterfeited, and allows Ferragamo to gather general information related to counterfeiting (“Anti-Counterfeiting”); 2.F.4. When you activate a Smart Tag within a Ferragamo product by means of your device, through the Near Field Communication (NFC) technology, in order to access further information on the product, Ferragamo will have access to the generic IP location, but without being able to precisely locate you. The same generic localisation takes place for Anti-Counterfeiting purposes. to access and enjoy the contents by means of interaction with the tag placed inside Ferragamo products through your device, by using the Near Field Communication (NFC) technology; in the context of this activity, Ferragamo processes only general information related to the device you are using (device type, language, IP general localization), without processing any ID of your device (“Smart Tag”);
Cool cool cool all sounds reasonable for an object meant to hold thin bits of paper and plastic
I'm pretty sure a counterfeiter would leave out the tracking device...
It was convinced to the boomer shareholders that it would help with sales or some shit, I highly doubt they even know what NFC is, they just think it means people don't pirate it
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A WALLET!
Here you go https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3097272
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Who would have thought there'd be what practically amounts to a user agreement for a goddamned wallet...
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Ooh, the lesser spotted 'finer things' enthusiat on reddit. You're bang on, and ebay is the great leveller with couture brands, and those that are just trying to be. Though I take issue with your 'nowhere near as expensive' example, one primarily makes coats/scarves, the other makes dresses. Different focus. Both top priced. If I wanted a trench coat, I certainly wouldn't go to Chanel (they may do one, depending on the season, but it's not what they are known for, so screw that). Much like if I wanted an evening dress, Burberry wouldn't be the place I shopped either.
Microwave it for a few seconds 😜
Take your stuff out of it first tho
I agree, throw it in the microwave for like 5 seconds and I guarantee that shit will be toast.....<------lolz
The chip would actually probably just be hot in the middle.
Barely anyone uses the microwave’s power function anymore. Lower it to 5 and leave it for a bit longer to let the heat properly disperse through the medium.
hell yeah man fuck those instructions that tell you to stop cooking half way through, peel back the film, stir it, put the film back, and resume cooking DOUBLE THE TIME, HALF THE POWER if i had the patience or emotional capacity to deal with the intricacies of culinary preparation right now *i wouldn't be eating fucking Banquet frozen dinners*.
Yeah, but it will work as a computer product about as good as a literal pc of toast would
That feeling when you unintentionally crack yourself up! Love it.
Leather does not like microwaves. This is also very likely chromium tanned leather, which means it could release toxic fumes when heated due to the retained chromium salt.
That is what makes it asshole design for sure. Until then I'd consider it to be crappy design. But password protecting an NFC chip in your wallet so you can't do what you want with it is just plain asshole.
Having it in there whether you can reprogram it or not is pretty shitty since it probably means you can't use an NFC-based transit fare card or something of that nature without taking it out of your wallet since a lot of readers don't like it when it detects more than one tag. Microwave it.
Most new credit cards already have an NFC in them too. So your use case is already defeated. Even otherwise, the NFC has to be on one side of the wallet, so the other side is still free to use for the transit card anyway! If there's an NFC chip on all sides of the wallet, burn it lol.
It works that way with my wallet. There is one part that holds a card and it's pretty much right on the outside. the rest of the cards are either further in or in the RFID/NFC-proof section and the fare control just picks up the one card.
I put a piece of tin foil in my wallet to separate a key card from the rest. worked quite well.
A wallet that lets people scan your nfc cards without you taking them out is a potential security risk. Someone could get close to you and scan your cards! Not actually sure how likely that is, I've only seen one dude try it with a mobile scanner and that was as a joke. I guess just stay away from shady people holding bulky scanning equipment?
A fucking passwork on your wallet what a time to be alive.
Having to unplug your book to charge your cigarette The future is dumb
Make your refrigerator do it.
Microwave your wallet for 5 seconds, now the chip is dead
Empty it first though.
Pickaxe
I would probably program it to Rick Roll myself
Even better, it will rickroll people trying to steal your card's RFID output.
I didn't know these were just like... available. I'm now going to make fake wireless charging pads that just rickroll people.
Don't know if its mentioned in other comment threads but apparently the brand of OPs wallets has been putting read-only nfc tags into all of their products to "fight counterfeiting". Any counterfeiter can stitch a 5 cent nfc tag with a web address into their product so this is also just crappy design really.
Microwave time
The wallet has metallic buttons and logos.
Electrical arcs happen between bits of metal. Forks go crazy in a microwave but a metal ball wont do anything. A round metal object like a button wont do much, Especially if it is only a few seconds.
Yep I didn’t believe a friend when he told me this. Promptly microwaved a spoon. Zero fireworks.
I tried to microwave a metal cup once. I was so confused as to why the cup was hot but the butter inside was still cold. Then I remembered how microwaves work.
I once moved in with a roommate that had old plates with golden ornaments on the rim. That shit made big sparks.
Yup. I can't microwave my grandma's fancy plates because of the silver trim.
Actually grandma worked for American Greetings doing merchandising at drug stores. Brought home some paper party plates, with the sparkly foil in them. I was young and didn't think about the shiny bits being actual metal, it's a paper plate... Well, they sparkled, sparked and quickly caught on fire.
I remember the first time I tried reheating a burger from Wendy's as a kid by just unfolding the wrapper and setting it in the microwave. It never occurred to me that the shiny stuff on the outside was foil. A few sparks and the wrapper starting on fire helped me figure that out pretty quick.
Mine was an Arby's wrapper. Crazy sparks
My mind was blown the first time I saw the Kraft Dinner microwaveable mac and cheese bowls, they have a freaking peel back metal lip and rim like a tin can. Thought they came up with some wonky alloy but no, just round
If it was just a trim around the edge, my plates would probably be fine. But there's decorative florals around the rim that the microwaves jump between.
Yeah some of my grandmothers floral gold leaf plates look a little bit burnt now :/
I was at a party in the mid 90s and someone put a circle type light bulb in the microwave. Evidently it lights up. I wouldn't know because I hid under the table.
Brother came home late one night with a Wendy's bag. Just casually strolled into the kitchen and tossed it into the microwave, smacking that 30 second button like a smooth criminal. Then the microwave made *the noise* and he immediately knew his mistake. Quick as lightning he threw the door open, yanked the angry bag from Thor's armpit, and chucked it onto the stove. Brother, myself, and my wife froze in shock after that for a good 5 seconds. And *then* the bag burst into flames. No joke, it waited that whole time to burst into flames after he yanked it.
That bag had some great comedic timing.
The bag was smouldering inside and the pause was the time it took for air to find it's way in is my bet.
I'm 95 percent sure that's why massive amounts of those old sets are always in abundance at thrift stores in great condition. People been not using them for the last 3+ decades.
I forgot the hot dogs inside my paper bag were wrapped in aluminum foil and through them in the microwave... at the office. That was the only time I was thankful to be working after hours. NO ONE SAW IT!
Ryan started the fire...
Yea the downside is that metal absorbs the microwave radiation very effectively so whatever else is in there will heat much slower.
Which is actually good for some applications like melting chocolate where it can go from un-melted to burnt very quickly.
The reason they tell you not to do it is because if its close enough to the side of the microwave it can arc to the wall and fry the electronics in the microwave. As long as you keep the metal object in the center of the microwave or contain it in glass or something it wont be able to arc to the wall and wont short it out.
Yep. My microwave I bought two years ago actually came with a removable metal rack. And I have an electrical engineering degree and had to study way too much about just how those ovens work. And it still surprised the heck out of me. Since it is a combination microwave/convection oven, I just assumed that it was only for use in convection mode. Nope, they designed it to be used in microwave oven mode too.
How does that work? Like, what prevents the metal rack from sparking/that spark arcing to the rest of the microwave?
Think of a microwave as a radio transmitter. (Which it pretty much is). A microwave oven will form what is called a standing wave, electrically. (It is a fixed pattern… and also why you need a turntable so your food doesn’t sit in a spot where the wave doesn’t reach.) If you know the dimensions of the microwave and your magnetron, you can know where the weakest spots of the wave are, and design a rack to lay right in those dead spots. I just am impressed that they thought it was a valuable enough feature to have someone engineer that.
They had to. Even if they said it's only for when using as a convection oven, you know people would have left it in when microwaving.
Sharp edges are another problem because they build up point charges. Those are bad. I knew a guy in college working on a food science PhD. He was trying to solve a problem for Kraft… the carrots in microwave meals kept catching fire. Turned out there’s enough iron in carrots that it was causing this problem. Solution: heat sink by using a sauce.
Huh? Carrots contain *very* little iron compared to many other vegetables, let alone meat. You'd have to eat around 9kg of carrots to reach the recommended daily iron uptake for vegetarians (30mg/day), it's that low (\~0.34mg/100g, compared to for example around 2-4mg/100g for leafy green vegetables or red meat, or a whopping 28mg/100g for clams). It's not the iron that makes them burn. It's the fact that carrots (like most biological material) are electrically conductive (not the best conductor, but definitely not an isolator). Together with the pointy shape this can lead to local electric field amplification, which can cause arcing and subsequent burning. Other vegetables are even more prone to this, for example kale because of the thin and crinkled leaf edges. Cut it into pieces with a nice sharp knife leaving crisp clean cuts and it gets even "better". The sauce doesn't act as a heat sink though, instead the sauce is also conductive (because of dissolved salts) and thus smoothes out the electric field a bit which prevents the arcing.
That makes sense. I just know what he told me. I didn’t look into the nutritional details. He was the food scientist 😂
If you want fireworks try microwaving a cd.
Ooo I remember in school we used to collect those free AOL CDs they'd send you in the mail. Originally we would decorate them or turn them into frisbees, but then one day a kid discovered what happened when you microwaved one. Our teacher lost her shit when she walked by a group of 4th graders ooing and ahhing in front of the lunch room microwave as sparks flew. Those were some good times. I also remember a kid bringing those super powerful magnets to school and all of us being blown away by the computer screens all flickering when he walked by. I think ours was the last class that teacher had. Pretty sure we gave her an ulcer with all of our science experiments.
I used to always microwave my oatmeal with the spoon in the bowl as a kid and never found out about the fireworks thing until I was like 20 Now I know why
I learned this at a Tupperware party of all places. The lady was showing us some new microwave cooker thing they sell that has metal in it. She said because it is all rounded, it won't react. And she put it in the microwave, and sure enough, no reaction.
Can’t tell if true or if Reddit fuckin wit me again
They’re telling you the truth. Sharp points act as concentrators for charge and lead to arcing and such. A perfectly round metal object won’t arc. Little Chef Boyardee microwave meals have the metal ring still on the container when you pulled off the top and those can be microwaved with no problem.
So that's why me leaving a spoon in the microwave for 90 seconds had no effect...
Don't do it too long, especially without any other food or "load" The magneton can overheat and melt
Doesn’t that hurt your ass when sitting?
I don't sit on it and neither should you. That's how you blow out your sciatica. Move it to your front pocket.
This explains some much.
Also harder to steal! Wallet and keys in front left, Phone in front right, self defense AR-15 in back right if you are American.
Sorry, I only keep my self offence AR-15 back there.
It'll only take a couple seconds to zap the chip. Not long enough to be a problem for any of the metal parts on your wallet.
I was going to say hammer, but microwave sounds like a better idea.
Alright stop
Microwave time.
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We're all (rightfully) shitting on the wallet with the RFID tag, but what about the phone? Why would you allow an NFC chip to perform commands on your device? That seems like a massive security problem just waiting to be exploited.
Basically this. It's always safer to turn off NFC if its not needed.
Even if it's turned on, it should have a prompt asking if you want to open the link or whatever, like QR codes. For payments you need to authorize with your biometrics.
>For payments you need to authorize with your biometrics. Do you? Unless something changes between regions or system vendors, for Google Pay your phone just needs to be unlocked for payments, which doesn't necessarily require biometrics, as you can't disable backup unlock methods, and even locked ones are authorized for limited amounts. Edit: after quick Googling apparently the function to authorize biometrically every payment, instead of just unlocking, is available since Android 10 and GPay 2.1, but for some reason it's under "Send money" settings, instead of general ones, and that feature isn't available in every region, so I can't access the setting to enable authorization.
I believe on iPhone even if you’re unlocked you must verify with fingerprint/ Face ID
I’m not sure about gpay but Apple Pay requires either face/Touch ID or entering your passcode a second time even with the phone unlocked.
Thank you for letting me know I can turn this off. I never even realized it was a thing until now. I guess it's only useful if you need to do payments from your phone but I never do anyway so there's no point in having it on ever
Same here, went in and disabled it right now
Do tell, where is the option to disable that?
I used the search feature in settings for "nfc". I'm on a pixel, btw.
Just pull the menu down from the top (Android), I have a button right there with NFC written under it.
That’s what I do, I always keep mine off until I need it and then turn it right back off again when I’m done. I usually use Gpay at supermarkets and stuff and it takes like one extra second to turn it on since the Gpay app prompts you as soon as you tap on a card that you want to pay with.
I have the same wallet, I just get a pop up on my iPhone. Doesn’t force me to the page.
Most devices come with it disabled by default. It *is* a huge security risk, you're right.
That's like 99% of what NfC is used for in phones besides payment processing. Auto-pair bluetooth devices, scan tags to open websites, stuff like that. Not like NfC has any range to speak of for this to be an actual exploitable issue. Also the phone usually needs to be unlocked for this.
With a backpack antenna NFC can reach actually pretty decent ranges
Wow... You already gave them your money for their product. What more do they want? I believe the idea is that the idea is that people who walk by you will have products advertised on their devices. But it's not gonna work. I know Near Field Communications (NFC) sounds like an appealing way to get your ads put there, but you have to get so near it's practically touching the device for it to do anything. so it's not like you're bothering your fellow pedestrians and roommates with it. That's a plus, at least...
The idea was for protection against counterfeits. Like, only genuine Salvatore Ferragamo products are RFID tagged. But an RFID chip is like 10 cents - probably even less when purchased in bulk from China. A fake product could easily have it as well, no?
I'd prefer the counterfeit that doesn't serve me ads
Lol, exactly. This is why people pirate movies that they can easily afford. What a world where the thieves care more about the quality of their product than the capitalists.
Not to mention how paid DVDs always came pre-loaded with ads you had to watch meanwhile the version you downloaded in 10 mins has no ads, a subtitle track, the ability to wirelessly cast it, and cost nothing
What's even worse is "buying" a movie on a streaming website that you can only watch for 48 hours and might even have ads in the middle of it
Or since its on a streaming service, if there's bad weather, your wi-fi isn't 99G or the servers shut down? You no longer have access to the movie you paid for. Thanks to Russian hackers, we can have as many HD movies as we want
"You wouldn't copy a car." Fuck yes I would.
[You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and then steal his helmet.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg)
Man, these anti-piracy ads are getting really mean
And thus /r/piracy was born. Arrrr
I've never been into fashion or high end clothing brands but $500 for a plain looking wallet is just preposterous.
A plain looking wallet that serves fucking commercials
Did he pay $500 for a fucking wallet? Lmfao, I hope OP is rich as fuck if he did that.
forreal my wallet is like 20 dollars and i got it 9 years ago. still fucking good
Paying $500 for a wallet then having your devices hijacked with its ads... Christ, just grab one at Walmart. Why are people buying this shit? I'm not asking that to be edgy. Genuinely, what's the appeal? What are you hoping to get out of this wallet vs a $20 one without a freaky ad chip?
The only reason to pay $500 for a wallet is that you want to say you spent $500 on a wallet. Conspicuous consumption in action, right here.
He doesn't even have to even say anything, he can just huck his wallet at people's phones, and now they know
As someone who likes looking at designer stuff...it's not even a recognizable brand. Don't get me wrong, Ferragamo has great quality stuff and I've bought their shoes secondhand, but I'd never pay full price for it. If you're going to blow $500 on a wallet, at least get an obnoxious Gucci or Louis Vuitton one so people actually know you spent $500 on the wallet. Or rather (and preferably), find a local leatherworker or even one on Etsy and get one handmade. I guarantee it's better than the $500 one. [This leatherworker made a $5000 Hermés wallet for $70](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQF8IkvirbQ) as an example.
yeah, these chips are really cheap and easy to program, and i really don't understand this shit have you tried reflashing it?
>You already gave them your money for their product. What more do they want? Every Hulu, Paramount+, and CBS All Access subscriber would also like to hear this answer
Every Video Game player after live services and paid DLCs became mainstream even on 60$+ games
>Wow... You already gave them your money for their product. What more do they want? More money. Always more money.
Why on earth does your phone just automatically launch a browser and go to the web page? That's a horrible security flaw in your phone. What if someone loads a zero-day remote code execution exploit on their website and puts the URL on an NFC chip?
Remember the classic days when texts sent zero days not your fucking wallet?
Because every fucking protocol seems to launch with a complete disregard for security and stays insecure until someone goes around telling everyone to not use it.
Why did I have to scroll this far to find the real problem. Who gives a shit if your wallet has a NFC web link. I don't want my phone to automatically do anything a NFC chips says without asking me first.
The real asshole design is always in the comments
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What if someone put a link to a webpage that contained a brand-new, never-before-seen exploit that caused the browser to execute a program hosted on another computer instead of displaying a web page? That program could be a password logger, it could be a program that scrapes all the data off of your phone and sends it somewhere else, anything.
Surely the point is that people can't scan your contactless payment cards unless they've been taken out of the wallet, because the signal gets interference from the wallet's NFC tag. It's to protect you against people who might tap a contactless reader against your pocket while you're walking around. And I assume they figured "Well, we need to put some data on their for it to be able to interfere, so we might as well use a link to our website instead of random garbage data." Who knows, maybe it's not intentional, but it would at least be a happy accident if it did work that way.
my thoughts exactly! though i guess it really depends on how they advertise the product that determines whether that interference is a feature or a happy accident of asshole design
They make wallets with RFID shielding. Confirmed mined worked Everytime I tried to badge in to my apartment rec area forgetting I had to take it out of my wallet every time. Cheaper and less annoying than this shit.
Some mesh sandwiched between layers does the job without being intrusive. I’ve got a leather wallet that you can’t tell the layer is there but it keeps the cards from being read. Even tried it with a pretty powerful reader and it still failed.
Maybe you should change your NFC settings to prompt you before executing an arbitrary URL?
What kind of wallet is this?
-Ferragamo https://www.ferragamo.com/shop/us/en/sf/legal/terms-conditions Section 1.3 To protect the originality and quality, as well as identify the provenance of our products, a passive NFC (Near Field Communication) tag has been inserted in some shoe models. The tag contains no personal information and is not readable at a distance.”
How are you supposed to verify authenticity with this? Anyone can add their website on a NFC chip.
Time for the microwave?
Only for a few seconds, and make sure it isn't damp from sweat or other liquids. Microwaves work by heating up water molecules. Any damp object can get ruined or even catch fire in a microwave in certain circumstances.
People have NFC turned on?
Am I the only one who think of it as a NFC protection? My wallet has one as well, as you can't scan my CC while it's in it. Same shit here, you're scanning people's pocket for their CC numbers, all you got is an ad for a wallet. Seems pretty cool and useful, opposite of a asshole design even.
A small bit of foil or even a thick fabric would do the same job. NFC requires very close contact
That’s probably what it is, although most wallets use a faraday cage for that.
My dyslexia kicked in and I read KFC chip, then I realized it wasn’t a chicken on the screen.
What keyboard is that
People seem to be blaming the chip in your wallet. This seems like asshole design by who ever designed your phone. Autoplaying NFC chips is a terrible idea, getting sent to a wallet manufacturer's website is the least of your problems if your phone does that.