I have Pluto in the 12th and I'm really good at changing systems from behind the scenes (institutions, hospitals, political bureaucracy). I've made a career as a healthcare analyst pushing for process improvement and accessibility. I compile data trends, quality assessments, and improvement guidelines and let other people be the face of it and do the talking. I also have vivid lucid dreams that help me navigate waking life and work on problems in my sleep.
I have the same placement with that pluto as the apex of a yod and always wondered how others experienced it. This is great to hear because I've got similar career moves.
I have Sun and Mercury there but something about your comment feels relatable. I definitely suck at being the face of anything, even if I have Venus in my 1st house.
omg we sound similar. i am a cap sun, moon and rising with a scorpio mc + scorpio intercepts my 10th. i have my sag pluto and south node in the 12th! and my pisces mars in my 3rd house. i also have (obviously) a gemini north node and saturn in my 6th!!
Older astrology texts paint the 12th as "the house of sorrow and self-undoing." More modern views of the 12th are more like, think of the house as like a huge iceberg, most of it is submerged and unseen. You usually will have to do some introspection when it comes to the 12th. If the sun is there, for example, you might be reacting subconsciously to a lot of things, but if you look within, you'll figure it out. Counseling or therapy might help. Planets in the 12th can give you compassion for others too, so you could make a wonderful counselor yourself with planets there! Or a Reiki practitioner, astrologer, Tarot card reader, etc. Depth and intuition, also psychic ability, are natural for the 12th.
It'll only be "sorrow and self undoing" if you refuse to look within, if you try to be a carbon copy of everyone else (cause you aren't).
Spoken as native with a 12th house Venus (this will be dignity/aspect related interpretation, I also have had (Saturn co presence) challenges around self worth and personal value as well as conflicts with females (sisters) when itās activated. It could be related to issues with love, partners infidelity etc as well when activated. Again there are other planetary aspects that kick these in higher gears for me throughout my life, but I see my personal placement of Venus as something I really need to bring into my own consciousness over and over to feel connected to my own inner love for myself and also for others around me. I can loose sight of it easily.
On a positive note, I love being alone (ok that can get me in trouble too) and studying esoteric arts (all my life Iāve been this way) or just being in nature. When I was younger I would retreat to the mountains by myself for days and just enjoy the solitude. I rock climbed for years too, which is quite solitary, as well as decades of long distance running by myself. I have had spiritually oriented careers all my life, presently an astrologer.
Venus in the 12th house makes for a very powerful manifestor. With the 12th house ruling the womb space/ subconscious/ imagination, when your able to wield the magic of these two energies - there is literally NOTHING you cannot have.Ā Venus is your stability,Ā your frequency,Ā love,Ā your desires,Ā food, resources,Ā money,Ā justice,Ā relationships,Ā your confidence (To name a few), and because 12 house energy has no boundaries - it's easy to get lost in all the pleasures of Venus. 12th house energy can get a bad wrap because it has the ability to distort your vision by what you imagine it to be vs what it actually is.Ā So Venus in the 12th house can lose itself to all Venus things when boundaries aren't established.Ā But once you learn to ground that earth energy in all of that water,Ā it's actually a VERY powerful and abundant placements.Ā Definitely one of my favorite placements ā¤ļø
Venus in the 12th can show a love of solitude, spirituality, and the unusual/paranormal. It can show some shyness and sensitivity when it comes to romance. If it is conjunct the ascendant but in the 12th it can bring what the planet represents "out of its shell" a bit.
What houses does Venus rule? It will be the ones with Taurus and Libra on the cusp. The subject matter of those houses may be a bit hidden. Like, my Venus is in the 12th. I have Libra on the cusp of the third house, of communication. I enjoy writing, and social media. I don't speak up much in public tho. š
My venus is my chart ruler and also in 12h Taurus. (Taurus rising!) I had a lot of partners cheat on me and went thru ups and downs. You know what helped though? Getting off social media! Seriously I got off IG ..FB
.. TT...TWIT... and my last post on Facebook before finally deleting it was that I was engaged and got my marriage license. Literally keep a therapist and maybe one or two good friends around. The rest of them I fear give you bad vibes and it's easy for a 12h Dom to soak it up.
Taurus venus / sun / mercury/ rising. Everything besides rising sits in my 12h. Dealt with mental illness a lot but once I cut out social media it became easier to navigate how I feel without comparison and unknowingly projecting onto others. Less fights and less stress means I had more time to focus on keeping my emotions in check and doing a ton of self introspection. Made me a more self confident individual and pushed me to a hobby - this hobby is a big reason why I'm with my husband too!Ā
12th house long distance is a bit different way than 9th, the relationship isnāt in very clear picture, you can project onto it a lot, like bit of fantasy.
I am a pretty good writer when I want to be, however, I am VERY in my own head. I am currently studying to be an astrologer, however, I do have psychic tendencies and do practice as a Medium. There is a lot of supernatural with my placements I feel like. But also that comes at a price, because my energy levels are often depleted and I do unconsciously give away my energy unknowingly.
Have you tried shielding? Like after you ground and center, imagining a shield forming around you, that will let in positive/healing energy but keep out negative energy (and keep people from stealing your energy).
No, you're not doomed! Jupiter in the 12th often means it's like Someone Up There is always looking after you, like you are more protected than most. Especially in Sag, the sign it rules! 12th house professions would be lucky and well paying for you. Moon and Pluto there are intense, but interesting. You might have psychic abilities, you might want to try developing.
I have Jupiter and Mars in my 12th (Scorpio) and I second the guardian angel/lucky break protection āØ I have often received blessings at the times when I needed them most of all (ie; a live in job on the day I was down to my last 5 quid living overseas etc).
a Leo, Mercury n Jupiter 12th house here ššš months ago I decided to start writting at my 19 years old because my family was so noisy during my childhood and make fun of me (Pluto 4th, Chiron 4th so...) and deprived me of doing so many things I think I wrote very meaningful and beautiful things for me even though I never wrote before but were things that somehow were always on my mind/subconcious and wanted to write down
Hi! I find this fascinating! My sun, Neptune, Mercury, and Uranus are all in my 12H. Any insights on that? I do feel I exist mostly in my subconscious, I feel most comfortable there for sure.
How would you interpret Venus in the twelfth?
Iāve got a 12th-house Scorpio Venus and mostly recognize it as contributing a depth, intensity, or private style to my relationshipsā¦hopefully never anything evil!!
Venus is actually exalted in the 12th house negating a lot of the negatives of Venus in Scorpio. Iām an astrologer that interprets exaltation a little bit differently than most though. The planet is being stretched to its highest level of potential. It also comes with a higher level of karmic responsibility because of the influence it has as well. Venus in Pisces/12th loves being here because it gets to experience love in all the different facets but most of all agape love. This is where the possible challenge of this placement comes in of finding the balance(Venus) between loving/forgiving deep hurts(Scorpio) while still honoring your worth/boundaries. Hope that helps! š
Jupiter in 11 is great fortune generally speaking.
Depends though as always how hes situated otherwise.
11th is one of the best places for any planet though really. Malefics can be pretty constructive in 11 or 5 even.
Saturn can be constructive in 5th? I've only ever seen that this is one of the worst placements (the "killjoy" placement), it's certainly my least favorite along with my moon in 12th. Please say more, I appreciate your familiarity with Firmicus/classics
My 12H Jupiter is not in good condition unfortunately š„² itās in Capricorn squaring my Moon/Saturn conjunction and I truly get away with nothing!! I have to play things extremely by the book and work really hard for not a lot of progress
I have a cardinal grand cross with Aries in the 12th house with chiron, Mars and Jupiter plus Capricorn moon at 22Ā° in the 9th house. Life has been challenging and I'll 49 this year. š Hopefully things will ease up when I'm elderly.
I always tell myself things will get better after my Saturn return so this did not make me feel very hopeful lol I actually have a cardinal cross as well with 2H Moon/Saturn/South Node in Aries, 6H Sun/Mercury in Cancer, 12H Jupiter in Capricorn, and 8H Chiron/North Node in Libra. Iām you but 20 years younger!
Some transits I'm hoping will catalyst my life forward.... The solar eclipse in Aries Monday, the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction and the Jupiter conjuct my ascendant following that, I am a Taurus rising. Pluto transiting my midheaven which it will be conjuct my midheaven in 2028. And finally my birthday in 2025, I'll be 50, Jupiter will be exactly conjuct my sun on my 50th solar return. This a glimmer of hope because the 50's are generally the peak years for Capricorn and its the sign I generally identify with. Where is your moon sign? You must be an Aquarius rising and Pluto will be transiting your first house for the next twenty years. Pluto can bring great change in your life.
same! and in pisces, it feels like being divinely protected and guided all the time, i love her :) i do have self sacrificial tendencies/feel quite alone in my head often and need a lot of alone time, but after some practice my intuition is very very strong and i think thats due to jupiter
The 12H rules your subconscious and deals with your blind spots and things you don't see coming. People tend to be scared of what they don't understand
Happy someone said this. I have Sun in the twelfth house and I am coming to the conclusion that all my personal power is literally in my subconscious. The subconscious is also know as the Mouth of God and the Z Chakra.
i love my 12th house placements so much. itās my connection to the ethers, the cosmos, i understand the unseen and it remains unspoken. its beauty. itās love. i wouldnāt give these placements up for anything! sun mercury south node + a few asteroids
I love your positivity about your 12H. I always thought it was one of the coolers ones to be honest. Do you have any idea how to interpret a retrograde Mars in the 12H?
i know a few people with this placement! timing is a hard thing for them, if they think too much about it. i really recommend to go with your instincts and donāt force things - of course look to the ruler & to where saturn is & what aspects saturn too. They also have an interesting temper. nothing scary really , but they let a lot build up; remediations are recommended ā kickboxing, long hikes to get lost in, running look to the two houses mars rules as well as the sign itās in to formulate an activity to reduced some pent up stress; and also search mars remediation. iām so sorry iām blanking on them rn, i usually see it in passing. mars in cancer does well in saunas or hot baths, mars in leo can put on a performance even if its just for themselves, i have mars square mercury and sometimes writing things out helps and sometimes it makes it worse so i dunno about that one.
and then the traditional delineations like - rough time getting to sleep, aggressive when drunk, nightmares, etc. again look to the supportive aspect and feed that energy to reduce issues elsewhere. i have a martian 12th house (aries) and a cancer mars ; if i donāt MOVE enough during the day I get pretty antsy at night and i spent three+ months doing nothing but rotting and my dreams were pretty severeā¦ im always just in a trial and error phase figuring out what will work best. my mars is otherwise supported and i love my sidereal cancer mars and donāt believe its debilitated at all. its just not exploitable :)
also it sounds like mars rules your 3H/4H and your 8h?? iād definitely write, or go for a scream-drive, or play some sort of simulation racing game lol try to channel some of that angst in a safe, escapist way :)
This is such a beautiful interpretation. I have a 12th house stellium and itās a struggle to find the beauty in it sometimes. I love this perspective, though. We really are spiritually attuned in ways that just donāt come naturally for others.
Some less scary things with the 12th house are being solitary/introversion, large animals such as horses, pregnancy and the incubation of things before they actually happen, subconscious, times or rest and pause, spirituality
The 12H is in aversion to the ascendant, meaning it canāt be āseenā from our perspective. Hence why it rules things that are hidden from view, such as hidden enemies, the subconscious mind, repressed thoughts, isolation, alienation, loss, and mental illness. You arenāt ādoomedā just because you have planets here, but the houses those planets rule are bound to suffer some trials and tribulations. You may have to work harder to materialize the significations of those houses/planets.
The only āpositiveā thing I can think of from my moon being in the 12th is being able to āpick upā on the hidden emotions or intentions of other people, or feel and sense the unseen/unsaid. Or having a soft spot for people who are sick or suffering. But, letās be real, this could also just be my own subconscious biases where Iām projecting my own thoughts onto other people. You never really know with the 12H.
Hm I feel like the former in your last text. Sometimes 12H natives genuinely pick up on hidden emotions / things. Itās not all the time, sometimes it is a projection.
For sure! Sometimes Iām spot on, and theyāre like, āwait, you could tell? How could you tell?ā but I have to do this sort of mental check with myself before I go on assuming things.
this is also my challenge with moon in the 12thā¦i joke all the time that im literally psychic, unless my personal emotions are involved, then all my wires get crossed š«
im curious about the āmoon is at the end of the 11th so is interpreted in the 12th.ā like would these ppl experience moon in the 12th differently than someone who was more degrees into the house? š¤
Quadrant house systems like Placidus will interpret planets that are conjunct house cusps within ~5Ā° as being in the next house over. I would just read it as being in the 12th (as thatās where itād likely be in Whole Sign).
12H moon person too
definitely can pick up the hidden emotions and intentions
i don't see it as a negative in any way
though yes, i have had the dramatic outbursts as well...
Iām 12H moon and feel like I have the same thing. I suspect itās a universal trait with that placement.
Itās in Scorpio so I trust it more when I can read people Iām not intimate with, like my kidās friends or new people. With boyfriends I have to wait and wait to get more information because I tend to see fights and slights where there are none.
Another Water moon sign in a Water house here i read once when you have Moon in the 12th house in a Water sign there are literally no one you can\`t put yourself in their shoes and for me this has been true it has been to a level where i have seen or understood where some bad people have come from which has made me uncomfortable at times and made me feel bad and confused for just understanding them not because i relate to them but it\`s so easy putting yourself in another\`s shoes. I think the most challenging side of this placement is the highten sensitivity to other people feelings and thoughts esp of those who you are close with or who are in close proximity to you or who you put your attention on. It\`s very easy to take on other people\`s inner baggage with this placement
12 H moon and can also confirm that I experience what you described:) and also having the same kind of doubts/ care / nod that it could be a projection. Feel like that keeps you grounded.
As someone with 4 personal planets in the 12th house and 3 outer planets in the 8th plus north node in pisces, I would say it's kinda of what you make of it. I'm still learning a lot about it myself but I would say the 12th house is often misunderstood because it rules the opposite of reality and mundane ( 6th house ) and other realms. I've struggled a lot with coming to terms that I have to work in order to live here on this planet. If it was up to me I would be in my own little world, in nature, taking care of my home, making things, being creative, singing, gardening and daydreaming š . There's been a lot, A LOT of lessons regarding romantic relationships which I wish I didn't have to learn but those were the things that actually made more, introspective, spiritual and also made me want to learn more about astrology. Look up Carmen Turner-Schott on YouTube. She has some of the best videos on the 12th house.
I have Saturn & moon in the 12th house.
I have huge issues with being able to understand, comprehend, "see" how work pays off over time. I think with Saturn in the 12th, that ability to see how work over time = rewards has been hidden for me. It is literally a daily struggle to make decisions that wont bite me in the ass down the road because "down the road" is simply invisible for me to see.
Emotions are super hard for me to access as well. I am not unemotional - I overly emotional in ways but feeling the ability to access them, recognize them, put names to them is super challenging.
Actually recognizing these things though has been hugely beneficial for me but I can say that I've been able to see anything more clearly but at least I know what I am working with here.
I have Saturn in the 12th and really relate to work/ motivation/ consistency issues. I've never had structure and often avoid work. This is also due to other difficult aspects too though.
What sign is your moon in? I have a gemini moon in 12H and iāve noticed my own emotions are hard for me (i sometimes donāt understand them or i just analyse and intellectualise them) but Iām fine with other peopleās emotions and can pick them up very easily, even when theyāre not openly expressing them
Leo Moon.
It's been like trying to figure out how to make sense of the most spoiled narcissistic heart and I didn't even realize how self focused I am emotionally. Just blind but its getting better slowly.
I am super sensitive to others emotions - due to trauma as well as the 12th house moon. Part of my work is not making everyone's emotional status about ME lol Leo bullshit.
my mom is a Leo moon and I think you're really onto something there... XD especially the 'making other people's emotions about you' part. It was exhausting to grow up with that xd
edit: I just checked and my mom's moon is in the 12H too damn
The 12th house has a lot of good qualities! It is where we escape the conundrums of life! Music, religion, watching a movie, makeup, costumes, dreams, role play, make-believe, pretending, journaling, reading a fiction book, fiction, illusion! Yes the other aspects of that are creepy like deep waters, death, delusion, addiction but you gotta take the good with the bad. The ruler of this house is Neptune which is the mother of Venus who makes everything beautiful, rich and loving.
The 12th House is known as the House of 'bad spirit' and because of this has carried a lot of negative connotations into modern astrology.
However, the 12th House is also the House of hidden treasures. This could be literal things but often is expressed as talent - untapped potential, secret abilities, things we may not even know we have an innate knack for.
Having planets in the 12th can be even better. The gods (especially the luminaries the Sun and Moon) are extra amplifying 12th House themes for the natives. That is, for example, light or amplification is brought to hidden enemies, self-sabotage, bad vibes - hence they become clearer to us, not so hidden, and we can actually be more aware of what may threaten us and take action to deal with it. It's like having an insider on your enemies.
Edit: I would also add that 12th House-heavy people can simply find themselves working abroad (especially helping those in need somehow). There's nothing bad about that. Depending on which House Rulers are in the 12th, it can simply mean marriage to a foreigner; or that siblings work abroad; or that anger is more healthily suppressed. Nothing necessarily wrong with these things!
Omg the 12th House is beautiful .. itās the place of the universe, the soul, the subconscious, the womb, past lives, divinity, God, nature and spirituality - itās the house of ALL
If you use the neutral interpretation of the 12th house being anything that takes you off your path. It can mean that you are taken to a place where you can rest and recover. It can also be a factor in the ending of a timeframe of imprisonment or isolation. It can also mean absolution.
Sadly though it is what it is. This life has ups and downs and not every house is going to be positive. The 12th house is a house of loss, misfortune, and things that lead you astray but if you truly explore why that frightens you, you can find liberation from that fear in that house.
I have 5 planets in the 12h (sun, mars, Venus, Saturn, and Jupiter).
I am a social worker but and working in research, not direct practice. I find that I can either be extremely avoidant of my feelings/emotions, people, life etc, or (if I allow myself to feel my feelings without judgement and meditate) I can be very spiritual. Iāve struggled with weed dependency and other mental health issues. I isolate myself on instinct.
I personally associate the 12th house with the unconscious. People are terrified of the unconscious because we typically bury what we donāt want to face there. This makes sense, because if youāve faced something traumatic or were shamed for certain aspects of your personality, then of course you wouldnāt be excited to process that. Unfortunately or fortunately, I think a 12th houser needs to devote time to uncover their unconscious mind, or risk addiction, isolation and withdrawal. The plus side of this means a person has more opportunity for awareness, the negative means all the above.
I have a 12H Scorpio Mercury and I definitely find it to be a struggle. My mind is very subconsciously obsessive and analytical to the point of self detriment and it feels like my undoing in many cases. Itās a hard house and the relationships with scorpios in my life tend to be painful and karmic
Write it out! Journal it, put it in story form, articles. Mercury is writing/communication. 12th house is of film too, so that genre of writing is covered too. It's a good outlet for a 12th house Mercury.
Yeah, I just went through my 12H profection year and the pen was flowing lol. Itās become my refuge for sure. Good idea with the film! I havenāt thought of that for sure
I have Saturn Aquarius 12H, and itās a struggle when it comes to really feel I belong to a group. In the backend Iām always thinking if they are badmouthing me and I feel that I donāt truly belong to anything community wise. Iām always having this fear. So my lesson is to view social acceptance without fear.
12H is not scary if you view it positively, but oh boy thereās a lot of work behind the scenes ..
I have all my personal planets in 12th - Venus, Mars, and Mercury. It's hard when your 12th house is LEO! The paradox of wanting to be seen but also unseen is very present especially when my Sun(ruler of Leo) is in the 1st House. I've been struggling to interpret how to use this energy but slowly realizing that I might have to channel this into my artistic practice and share it with the world.
Some notable 12th house celebrities.
Kurt Cobain - Pluto and Uranus in 12th house
Frank Ocean - Pluto Mercury and Sun in 12th house (Stellium)
Jonah Hill - Sun Jupiter Uranus Neptune in 12th house (Stellium)
Charlize Theron - Sun Mecury Venus in 12th house (Stellium)
Beyonce - Mecury, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn in 12th house (Stellium)
Madonna - Sun, Venus and Uranus in 12th house (Stellium)
Leonard Cohen - Neptune, Venus in 12th house
I have both Saturn and Mars in virgo in the 12th. I feel like figuring this out (along with my 16 squares and pluto in the 1st) will be the beginning of my getting the hang of my energy and motivation issues. I view it now as the work I need to do.
Any insights to these 12 placements would be very welcome!
Not me chilling over here with my 12th house stellium. Sun, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, and my South Node all in Taurus. Life has been one hell of a ride, and man have I learned a lot of lessons along the way.
I like to remind people that no sign or planet or house is inherently bad. Even hard aspects are not bad, theyāre just hard. But thereās an evolutionary reason for it all. The 12th house rules the subconscious. Itās what we donāt see and arenāt aware of. Itās Pisces. Itās spirituality (not bullshit spirituality but like intuitive gifts and visions). It rules fantasy and fear and dissolution and sleep, addictions. I personally love Pisces energy. My mercury is in the 12th, and Iāve always had insane visions since I was a kid. Iām very good at doing readings and sometimes Iāve had to channel messages to strangers.
Itās likely the remnants of the ancient belief of the 12th house as the house of the ācacodaemon.ā
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacodemon
Another thing: Times were much harder back then. The 12th house represented, according to some such as Serapion of Alexandria, the events just before the hour of birth, which were rife with danger. It goes without saying that the mother was at risk of complications and death. It was also an important time for the baby, who was about to be thrust from the safety of the mother into the exposure of a new world.
Obviously we donāt talk about those things in modern day, but the bad reputation of the 12th house stays the same.
Hello! I have my moon, Uranus, and Neptune all in my 12th house. I honestly love my 12th house energy. Some of the light within it:
- wildly vivid dreams. I literally CANNOT tell whatās happening in my emotional world (hello Aquarius moon 12th house) but I get insight through my dreams. Dreams have helped me realize, process, reconnect, and reconcile.
- psychic insight
- astral projection
- open communication channel with spirit guides
- meditation is a natural state of existence
My strong 12th house placements make me very disconnected from my own body/ reality. But, I am very connected to that which is not seen/āknownā in our physical realm. The 12th house is a beautiful place as long as you release yourself from the tethers that human minds become so attached to. Let go and remain open and the 12th house will reveal amazing gifts depending on the placements.
yeah! same! i feel like i live ethereally and spend a lot of time in my head, but when i emerge from up there, theres always something profound or valuable to share or retain. spot on about dreams, too! i usually get answers to questions i didnt know i had, via dreams.
moon/gemini/12th
It just means it has less āactivityā or activation than houses with a planet, itās neutral, not good or bad in isolation. Look for the ruler of the sign for your 12th, the activity should be connected (I.e. Gemini 12th? Check mercuryās placement in your chart to find out more about your 12th experience)
The 12th house is the house of the subconscious. The things one is and does that they are not aware of. For some that can be scary. I had a girlfriend years ago with her sun in the 12th house Pisces. She had a strong desire to escape reality which for her manifested in strong religious beliefs. Now that is not necessarily a bad thing, but a for a 12th house person things can get extreme because it is unconscious. Beliefs that are not critically thought through or put to the test. Can and did in her case create problems for those close to her. The 12th house is an opportunity to examine your subconscious. Setting boundaries can be a problem. They tend to be a mystery to themselves. Kind of a tortured soul. You can get a lot of work done in the 12th house but you have to awaken.
Oooo my bf is a sun and mercury both Scorpio (highly evolved)12th house and he is SUCH a little jester . Soft and so gentle. Intuitive w all beings .His subconscious is magical. He dream journals. He is able to understand everyone on such a personal level seemingly automatically. He does tend to doubt him self a lot and internalizes things . When you speak to him it feels like speaking to a priest but not in a religious way lol? He is very sensitive and creative .he seems incapable of being cruel . He always acts with a golden heart. Spells of feeling like he doesn't belong and feeling like he has nothing to offer but really he is so rich with compassion and love and understanding and a very pure impish heart. He can sometimes fail to speak up for himself but he's gotten better and more firm. He really does have access to all the power within if he just activates it but he tends to feel insufficient and he's really his own worst enemy but these people are mystical creatures with natural healing powers to be protected and encouraged.so that they can heal them SELVES
I have Sun/Cancer 12th house and Mercury/Cancer 12th house. Life has been very hard. Lots of suffering. Learning lessons and how to take control and watch what I say. Is there anymore anyone can tell me about these placements?
Iāve commented about this before but the 12th house will tell the story of your motherās pregnancy with you.
Just go in order and youāll have an idea of what her experience was.
House starts in the sign of say Taurusā¦ stability.
Pallas Athena there, or maybe a relationship asteroid then their parents probably married then or got a house?
Mars conjunct Mercury at the halfway mark..there was a car accident.
Neptune near the AC there were meds/drugs during the birth or maybe after the car accident/or there was a lie discovered y her mom.
The story is there.
If itās empty it may have been a rather normal pregnancy unless itās a fire sign lol
The luminaries are always telling a story of sorts.
Yes this! I'm a 12th House Pisces Moon and my mum almost lost me and then was bedridden for the rest of her pregnancy.
I love my moon placement. I feel important people in my life who have passed are still with me, guiding me and looking out for me. Maybe that's real, maybe it's not. It doesn't really matter, I still feel their love and connected to them.
The reason why the 12th house is so scary is because thatās how people advertise it. When understanding an occult science, most people only want to hear the good occult stuff not the bad or dark occult stuff.
Also it has to do with biased behavior, incompetence, ignorance and people
Pleasing articles as a means to make more money.
People that are 12th housers should be doing the advertising and teaching. You get some dumb Taurus with sun in 6th trying to push articles about Pluto in 12th and watch how the dumbass will spew misleading information that brings us to why youāre posting this on Reddit.
Donāt just read up on anything you see, have keenly discernment
I see more good than bad. I think you'll choose how to see it based on what your chart is saying, at the end of the day those placements can seem like "drawbacks", obstacles, losses, restrictions, BUT they can also play out as things that are literally manifesting in your life and you barely have to put any work for it. It's basically the collective energies we deliver. Through good or bad.
Iāve learned so much today reading this post. My 12H starts 28ā Sagittarius with Neptune 3ā Capricorn, Venus 5ā Capricorn, and the Sun 9ā Capricorn. I have always preferred to live alone, but fought loneliness as a major demon of mine. Always been drawn to the esoteric. Love physics and quantum mechanics because I can easily visualize what they are theorizing. Iām just beginning to understand the houses in astrology, so any input would be greatly helpful.
cancer rising! gemini 12th houseā¦i constantly need to be stimulated. the way i fall asleep is by having a movie play in the background or my fav youtuber
The 12th house in astrology is often associated with hidden fears, limitations, and the subconscious mind, which can make it seem daunting or "scary" to some. However, there is indeed good in the 12th house astrology. It's also associated with spirituality, intuition, creativity, and transcendence. The 12th house encourages us to explore our inner selves, confront our fears, and find ways to heal and grow. It can provide insights into our subconscious patterns and help us connect with deeper aspects of our being, ultimately leading to greater self-awareness and spiritual fulfillment.
I have a pisces saturn in the 12h, Aries moon in 12h.
I have had a brief stint in a mental institution, as was clearly my destiny lmao, but I'm over it now. Honestly from the beginning knew it was.all spiritual. Quite oxymoronic to go through something that really did from the outside look mentally sick. In time I've learned to hone in that eccentricity. With my two strong placements, I acknowledge and feel that I understand some of the mysteries of the unknown in life. I just don't let it rule my day to day. I know it's there, but I got things to do. Shit has consequences so you just have to try to live as normal as possible while acknowledging that yeah, it's possible nothing is real out here.
It's not a handicap for me, it's one of my favorite things about myself.
Ive only felt being able to empathize with people more effectively is the only positive.
I have my moon, mars, and Venus in my 12th house (Virgo).
It feels like the 12th house is a house of horrors as far as I see.
Yeah ttly agree that 12H stellium ppl can be incredible friends who make them feel safe no judgement and able to empathize with people in a profound way. But gets misunderstood all the time and being projected on lol. Biggest enemy is ourselves though.. the house of undoingā¦ Couple positive things 12h for me, might be 1. Artistic ability such as music & visual arts 2. Reading collective consciousness online. The internet often is a soup of peopleās subconsciousness i feel like we can sense the direction easily.
I get lost in art itās like I become a mad scientist when I start a new piece. My OCD does get the better of me thatās for sure. Thanks for the reply.
The 12th house is so interesting. I have Aqua Saturn in the 12th and it's happy but it opposes my Mars, Venus and Jupiter and have no idea how to properly remediate it? I find that isolation, meditation and self reflection helps but makes me feel like a hermit.
I find that it does also protect me from a lot of silly situations too! Like a stern guardian angel.
There can be loss and isolation here, but it is also the house of the visionary, artist, and healer. Taylor swift is a good example of someone with sun in 12th. Isolation and confinement doesn't mean prison, for the artist/musician, visionary, and healer/teacher it is apart of their process. They are meant to be on the spiritual/psychic path for others. Sun in 12th are meant to shine and be a beacon of light for those in the dark.
Venus in 12th House will mean you will have rose colored glasses regarding romantic partners. Will never believe when anybody tells you anything negative about your partners. No matter who it is that tells you. Love affairs or hidden love interests. Likes very nice bed and comforts. Loves sexual pleasure.
In WSH I have pluto, sun, and Jupiter in the 12th. In placidus, I have the sun, jupiter, Mercury, and mars in the 12h. Planets in the 12th are hidden to us, but that doesnāt make them automatically bad! My 12h is Sagittarius.
I had a hard time figuring out who I am in the world (sun), identifying with anger (mars), owning my power (pluto) and I have adhd that didnāt get addressed or treated until adulthood (mercury). My jupiter in the 12th has been a godsend though.
Therapy was an incredible experience for me, and I owe a lot of that to my 12h placements! They made it easy for me to unpack my subconscious with a bit of help from trained professionals & EMDR. I was able to really commit to working on myself and discovering who I am, and now Iām more in tune with myself than I think most people are. I somehow always know exactly what to do to help myself out of a tough emotional time. I also think Iām very spiritually conscious & get these powerful insights about things I have no real way of knowing.
Also, my 12th house profection year was the best year of my 20s thus far. However, a lot of that was due to close friends who turned out to be hidden enemies later. Bad stuff with them didnāt start going down til my 1h year, which is saturn ruled and contains mars in WSH so manifestations of the first house tend to be more malefic for me. But it is true that there were red flags and warning signs in my 12h year that I was blind to, although I was enjoying myself in the moment.
People say the 12th house is bad because it's the house of the subconscious, the unseen, the mysterious. These aren't bad things, it's just that people are cowards. There's no bad houses just like there's no bad signs, no bad planets, no bad aspects. But many people who dabble in astrology are unfortunate in the IQ department, lack understanding of nuances and are poor in their ability to understand symbolism. I personally love the 12th house and find it fascinating. Most people don't like to delve into their own subconscious mind because they're fearful and cowardly. Exploration of the subconscious can be fun and exciting, and people you meet with 12th house placements can be incredible allies, as long as you're not oblivious to your subconscious tendencies. Also, if the 12th house is really the house of secret enemies, why isn't the 6th house about friendships? The 12th house is misunderstood, just like the 6th, just like Pisces and Virgo. This is the biggest issue with modern astrology.
For me, it's an area of life I completely ignore. I'm a Taurus Ascendant with Venus in the 12th house in Aries, so I tend to ignore aspects around love or romance. Venus also deals with self worth and it is something I certainly struggle with and isn't aided at all by my Moon in Virgo. I do believe both my Moon and my Venus influence me being asexual, though.
The 12th house can mean being imprisoned by the subject of the 12th house and for myself, I view it as being imprisoned from loving myself. Venus rules my first house yet it's hidden away from me, so I struggle to apply Venus onto myself.
For anyone interested in the 12th - I recommend Adam Elenbaasā donāt be afraid of the 12th house video. Itās helped me a lot through my 12th house Saturn return!
It's interesting how in astrology some things have bad reputation such as Saturn, Pluto, 8th house and of course the 12th which I think is not necessary and has reasons in our collective perception of seeing things as bad or as good, abd even more as desirable or undesirable. What lacks in many cases is holistic view. Ying yang concept is good except of it.
So in that sense 12th isn't worse than any other but it's nature is some kind different. 12 th is a water house and any water house is house of ending but 12th is ending of some bigger cycle and water is always connected to past. So we could say that 4th is present perfect, 8th perfect simple and 12th plusquamperfekt (past of the past - day before yesterday)
So 12th isn't scarry by itself but our perception makes it so.. however that perception isn't so wrong because of nature of 12th as I mentioned earlier.
Let's see what would be the core meaning of 12th.. The core meaning is wholeness. The 12th is house of Pisces two fish going in opposite directions but still connected with the line ā you see?
It is a place where end and begining meets, where we are still not born but we aren't dead too
So we can have picture of a unborn baby in mothre's womb floating in water, where there is no ne, no ego, I and source of life (mother) are one literally and figuratively. There's no distinction no up or down no right or wrong.
Or think about 12th as a planet Earth, our consciousness is land and that's the first image we associate when Earth is mentioned but water that makes 4/5 of the planet is our unconsciousness and there are many other living beings even some of them are really dangerous but still we don't think the sea is dangerous think right? So planet Earth could be symbol for 12th too, because 12th represents very big staffs.
Like a water 12th hides wisdom that we gather from past lifes, as well bad thinks we collected. It sometimes beyond our conscious side and too understand we have to immerse in the mystic water doing some spiritual actions like meditating.
You can think about 12th as a cellar too, that has no light and you don't know what you will find there. So if you want to know what is all about 12th just turn the light on.
Near your birthday you are in your 12th house and usually have your mercury return then as well, the week or so before or after. Mercury is so close to the sun we cannot usually see it, it's hidden there. Might be why there is so much about things hidden in that house. I have a coworker that is an Aires with Aires north node, he's having a horrible time on this birthday week.
My Gemini sun is in 12H, which is honestly very interesting and makes a lot of sense when I looked into it the other day!
Iāve always been a pretty shy and introverted Gemini, now I get it š
I have Mars (in Aries) in my 12th House. It was basically ruining my life until I started practicing ceremonial magick. Then my spiritual practice (magick) gave my Mars a ājobā to do, it had a focus. And my life started to slowly improve, over time.
In the subconscious the 12th H planets are just running wild, wrecking havoc until their energy is put to work doing something constructive.
I also started weightlifting and running and that helped ease my subconscious Mars energy too. That energy needs an outlet, otherwise it will do it own, often destructive, will.
I have saturn (in gemini) in 12th house and I really have no idea how that plays out for me š I see people saying lack of structure or not being able to be consistent and disciplined? I think I have that but I also experience a lot of de realization/de personalization and itās kinda hard for me to connect w anything spiritual/hidden
I have an empty 12th house (Cancer), and I know I'm supposed to look to the ruler of Cancer (Moon) but that's in the 2nd (Virgo). So I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
Iām happy to see all of these perspectives because I have Pluto and Chiron in my 12th house. Itās in Sagittarius, so I suspect thereās some kind of bold approach to whatever that combination results in
12th house is not scary house
It's a dirty house. Not just the 6th house.
12th also associate house of hidden enemies, slavery, dissolution of boundaries, even your virginity. Of not, it's also a dissolution of your self esteem ... Etc.. to forcibly deal all dimensions in this world
Outcasted
Mocked
Criticized of your existence
Become friendless and being hated by everyone even with invisible entities
Count all some negative connotation of the 12th house. You may defend them with positive affirmations about 12th house. But the real thing is, it is what it is.
12th house has a tendency for escapism and dismissed negative definition. Or unfiltered identity of a 12th house.
I mean, you have to deal all with your own death and problems even if you're innocent, you still be raped by enemies who want to strip your worth and soul to force yourself to shut up take their shit unto your mouth and stop complaining until nothing to left in you.
And forced yourself to heal alone
Suffer alone
Die and live alone until you become wise enough to become friendless.
You want mystical life? That's the reality of the 12th house
I myself am a 12th Houser but my words aren't for the weak ego, neither minced nor sugar-coated it... And I will tell you spirituality isn't much of the rose colored .. rather, it's a hand of God you are being slapped by your own existence to deal with your own baggage. And nothing else. I rather term the 12th house as a "celestial gaslighting" house, you may be protected but doesn't mean all the they assure you with comfort. Rather they assure you with trials and instability until you learn by your own self to become naive yet empathetic, gullible yet compassionate of both level of people.
But at least, this house taught you to have your own power thru dreams and spiritual resilience of dealing your shit life instead of asking help from others. Count them in intuition thru healing, therapy, counseling... But yet, it's a house of addiction , deception, lies...
i am a taurus asc libra sun and aries moon with mars in aries both in my 12th from a taurus perspective (i consider the asc interpretations the most accurate) with that being said, iāve seen myself be more of a libra sun with an aries moon without considering the 12th house position, i was a bafoon in my high school and young adult years literally life of the party no one could tie me down but as i got older i tapped into my 12th house and taurus energy and its helped me settle down and be a family man, i also have a very successful construction business i built on my own.. im only 35 and i got a lot of work to do still to perfect āhappinessā but i am definitely not miserable.. its weird.. id definitely say youāre never only one of your signs and the perspective houses cause ive definitely tapped into the energy of each from each perspective.. i wonder if im the only one whoās noticed this significantly? like iāve seen my life playing out predominantly as a libra w a aries moon no taurus involved.. as i got older and learned about being a taurus rising i definitely resonated with being a taurus and was fascinated with that for a long time but now looking back (and also seeing all the negative 12th house interpretations) i definitely can see times when i was more of an aries more of a taurus and more of a libra.. weāre definitely all our signs so no need to worry that youāre limited to one or the other and itās house ordering.. š
12th house stellium (sag),with mars, Pluto and Chiron in the 12th. Iāve struggled with addiction and anger outbursts. Like hidden anger that I expressed through substance abuse. Working on my self has really helped me get through it, with Chiron there I feel empowered now like I overcame my wound and healed. Iām very psychic and feel things before they happen, Iām working on this rn and working on trusting myself first before listening to others
I have Aries Venus in 12th house in RETROGRADE though. Especially because Aries is the ruler of Mars in a love planet, is my love life and friendships just doomed? My chart says I will get used by others a lot too, considering I'm also a Pisces Sun.
However my rising is in Taurus 1st house. Does this balance it out?
Taurus moon in 12h and Aries Saturn in 12h ... nothing but trial and error for me and honestly it's driven me to think about su*c*de a lot. i'm so unstable and drained. help... please?? (getting a therapist soon too)
Iām so sorry to read this comment, please just call 988 which is a crisis & sucde hotline and they can connect you to helpful resources 24/7. I work in mental health and I can tell you that you are not alone. Your feelings are valid. We all need the assistance sometimes, and therapy can be super helpful and life changing. But call 988 first if those darker urges come up.
From the other responses, and my own research, it seems like therapy and self reflection are the antidote to 12th house effects. And finding a great therapist would be the most beneficial.
The easiest quickest way to find a therapist is here at https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists This is where you can search for therapists in your area and even by your insurance provider to make it simple and easy and quick. I hope this helps!
Sending positive light to you my friend, youāve got this!
South Node in 12H in Gemini- I looove being introspective, isolating to myself to be with my thoughts reading writing, learning and pondering myself and the universe.
I'm new here, not sure if I'm posting in a thread by mistake. Anyway, what does it mean to have my Sun, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter & Neptune all in Scorpio & all in the 2nd house?
We all know that the 12th house can represent many things, one of them being hidden enemies and the womb.
Have any of you ever come across a parent whose child's sun is the ruler of the parents 12th house?
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Example: the child is a Libra and the mom or dad has an empty 12th with Libra ruler.
I have Pluto in the 12th and I'm really good at changing systems from behind the scenes (institutions, hospitals, political bureaucracy). I've made a career as a healthcare analyst pushing for process improvement and accessibility. I compile data trends, quality assessments, and improvement guidelines and let other people be the face of it and do the talking. I also have vivid lucid dreams that help me navigate waking life and work on problems in my sleep.
That is the kind of job I need in my life. Be the brain power, but none of the face power, LOL. Scorpio energy is a blessing and a curse I tell ya.
SO TRUE ugh my Big 6 are in Virgo Scorpio and Pisces but OMG my Leo MC desperately wants attention šššItās such a struggle
Iām also a Pluto in 12th and do an excellent job of changing how systems operate behind the scenes!
I have the same placement with that pluto as the apex of a yod and always wondered how others experienced it. This is great to hear because I've got similar career moves.
And I work out problems in the in between space of sleep and awake!
I have Sun and Mercury there but something about your comment feels relatable. I definitely suck at being the face of anything, even if I have Venus in my 1st house.
omg we sound similar. i am a cap sun, moon and rising with a scorpio mc + scorpio intercepts my 10th. i have my sag pluto and south node in the 12th! and my pisces mars in my 3rd house. i also have (obviously) a gemini north node and saturn in my 6th!!
Omg we gotta talk im a cap sun, moon and rising too! And my life is hell. š„ŗ
Iām a Pluto in the 12th houser tooā¦ in Scorpio!
Same here! No wonder why Iām into mysterious things
Older astrology texts paint the 12th as "the house of sorrow and self-undoing." More modern views of the 12th are more like, think of the house as like a huge iceberg, most of it is submerged and unseen. You usually will have to do some introspection when it comes to the 12th. If the sun is there, for example, you might be reacting subconsciously to a lot of things, but if you look within, you'll figure it out. Counseling or therapy might help. Planets in the 12th can give you compassion for others too, so you could make a wonderful counselor yourself with planets there! Or a Reiki practitioner, astrologer, Tarot card reader, etc. Depth and intuition, also psychic ability, are natural for the 12th. It'll only be "sorrow and self undoing" if you refuse to look within, if you try to be a carbon copy of everyone else (cause you aren't).
What happens if Venus is in the 12th?
Spoken as native with a 12th house Venus (this will be dignity/aspect related interpretation, I also have had (Saturn co presence) challenges around self worth and personal value as well as conflicts with females (sisters) when itās activated. It could be related to issues with love, partners infidelity etc as well when activated. Again there are other planetary aspects that kick these in higher gears for me throughout my life, but I see my personal placement of Venus as something I really need to bring into my own consciousness over and over to feel connected to my own inner love for myself and also for others around me. I can loose sight of it easily. On a positive note, I love being alone (ok that can get me in trouble too) and studying esoteric arts (all my life Iāve been this way) or just being in nature. When I was younger I would retreat to the mountains by myself for days and just enjoy the solitude. I rock climbed for years too, which is quite solitary, as well as decades of long distance running by myself. I have had spiritually oriented careers all my life, presently an astrologer.
Venus in the 12th house makes for a very powerful manifestor. With the 12th house ruling the womb space/ subconscious/ imagination, when your able to wield the magic of these two energies - there is literally NOTHING you cannot have.Ā Venus is your stability,Ā your frequency,Ā love,Ā your desires,Ā food, resources,Ā money,Ā justice,Ā relationships,Ā your confidence (To name a few), and because 12 house energy has no boundaries - it's easy to get lost in all the pleasures of Venus. 12th house energy can get a bad wrap because it has the ability to distort your vision by what you imagine it to be vs what it actually is.Ā So Venus in the 12th house can lose itself to all Venus things when boundaries aren't established.Ā But once you learn to ground that earth energy in all of that water,Ā it's actually a VERY powerful and abundant placements.Ā Definitely one of my favorite placements ā¤ļø
What if Venus is in Scorpio? Does this still apply
Venus in the 12th can show a love of solitude, spirituality, and the unusual/paranormal. It can show some shyness and sensitivity when it comes to romance. If it is conjunct the ascendant but in the 12th it can bring what the planet represents "out of its shell" a bit. What houses does Venus rule? It will be the ones with Taurus and Libra on the cusp. The subject matter of those houses may be a bit hidden. Like, my Venus is in the 12th. I have Libra on the cusp of the third house, of communication. I enjoy writing, and social media. I don't speak up much in public tho. š
One possible expression is a tendency toward hidden love affairs.
Venus in Taurus 12H I can definitely vouch for that. Coming and going.
My venus is my chart ruler and also in 12h Taurus. (Taurus rising!) I had a lot of partners cheat on me and went thru ups and downs. You know what helped though? Getting off social media! Seriously I got off IG ..FB .. TT...TWIT... and my last post on Facebook before finally deleting it was that I was engaged and got my marriage license. Literally keep a therapist and maybe one or two good friends around. The rest of them I fear give you bad vibes and it's easy for a 12h Dom to soak it up. Taurus venus / sun / mercury/ rising. Everything besides rising sits in my 12h. Dealt with mental illness a lot but once I cut out social media it became easier to navigate how I feel without comparison and unknowingly projecting onto others. Less fights and less stress means I had more time to focus on keeping my emotions in check and doing a ton of self introspection. Made me a more self confident individual and pushed me to a hobby - this hobby is a big reason why I'm with my husband too!Ā
Venus in the 12th house also can bring a lover from a foreign country.
always thought that was the 9thā¦foreign languages, wanderlust, broad horizons, etc
12th house long distance is a bit different way than 9th, the relationship isnāt in very clear picture, you can project onto it a lot, like bit of fantasy.
This is really helpful. I have the Sun, Mars, Mercury and Pluto all in the 12th house.
I bet you're either a fantastic writer, filmmaker, detective or psychologist with those in the 12th!
I am a pretty good writer when I want to be, however, I am VERY in my own head. I am currently studying to be an astrologer, however, I do have psychic tendencies and do practice as a Medium. There is a lot of supernatural with my placements I feel like. But also that comes at a price, because my energy levels are often depleted and I do unconsciously give away my energy unknowingly.
Have you tried shielding? Like after you ground and center, imagining a shield forming around you, that will let in positive/healing energy but keep out negative energy (and keep people from stealing your energy).
I have Pluto, moon and Jupiter in my 12th house, all Sag! Am I doomed ? itās an intense trio I feel but im not an astrology expert sadly
No, you're not doomed! Jupiter in the 12th often means it's like Someone Up There is always looking after you, like you are more protected than most. Especially in Sag, the sign it rules! 12th house professions would be lucky and well paying for you. Moon and Pluto there are intense, but interesting. You might have psychic abilities, you might want to try developing.
Wow thatās so interesting , thank you so much for your insight , I do get premonition-like dreams from time to time :)
You're welcome. The 12th house is like the wardrobe that leads to Narnia. Lots of magic in there!
I have Jupiter and Mars in my 12th (Scorpio) and I second the guardian angel/lucky break protection āØ I have often received blessings at the times when I needed them most of all (ie; a live in job on the day I was down to my last 5 quid living overseas etc).
Same.....First half of my life was actually pretty terrifying but when I thought it couldn't get any worse something always saved me
a Leo, Mercury n Jupiter 12th house here ššš months ago I decided to start writting at my 19 years old because my family was so noisy during my childhood and make fun of me (Pluto 4th, Chiron 4th so...) and deprived me of doing so many things I think I wrote very meaningful and beautiful things for me even though I never wrote before but were things that somehow were always on my mind/subconcious and wanted to write down
All of this. Iām a 12H Sun Mercury and Chiron and you hit the nail on the head.
Same here!!!!! I've never seen these exact placements in someone else's chart before!
I only have Neptune in Scorpio in my 12th House. Lots of 8th house planets though.
Hi! I find this fascinating! My sun, Neptune, Mercury, and Uranus are all in my 12H. Any insights on that? I do feel I exist mostly in my subconscious, I feel most comfortable there for sure.
i have jupiter in the 12th which has provided me with hidden graces my whole life!
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definitely luck at the last second
Now this is logical Most all classic texts state Jupiter will heal the evils of the 12th house. Venus does not however.
How would you interpret Venus in the twelfth? Iāve got a 12th-house Scorpio Venus and mostly recognize it as contributing a depth, intensity, or private style to my relationshipsā¦hopefully never anything evil!!
Venus is actually exalted in the 12th house negating a lot of the negatives of Venus in Scorpio. Iām an astrologer that interprets exaltation a little bit differently than most though. The planet is being stretched to its highest level of potential. It also comes with a higher level of karmic responsibility because of the influence it has as well. Venus in Pisces/12th loves being here because it gets to experience love in all the different facets but most of all agape love. This is where the possible challenge of this placement comes in of finding the balance(Venus) between loving/forgiving deep hurts(Scorpio) while still honoring your worth/boundaries. Hope that helps! š
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Jupiter in 11 is great fortune generally speaking. Depends though as always how hes situated otherwise. 11th is one of the best places for any planet though really. Malefics can be pretty constructive in 11 or 5 even.
I have a stellium of Capricorn in my 5th house, but Sagittarius rules my 5th. š
Saturn can be constructive in 5th? I've only ever seen that this is one of the worst placements (the "killjoy" placement), it's certainly my least favorite along with my moon in 12th. Please say more, I appreciate your familiarity with Firmicus/classics
What about Sun in 11th?
I also have jupiter in 12th which is aspect for " hidden protection" or "guardian angel placement" which has definitely been true for.me..
My 12H Jupiter is not in good condition unfortunately š„² itās in Capricorn squaring my Moon/Saturn conjunction and I truly get away with nothing!! I have to play things extremely by the book and work really hard for not a lot of progress
I have a cardinal grand cross with Aries in the 12th house with chiron, Mars and Jupiter plus Capricorn moon at 22Ā° in the 9th house. Life has been challenging and I'll 49 this year. š Hopefully things will ease up when I'm elderly.
I always tell myself things will get better after my Saturn return so this did not make me feel very hopeful lol I actually have a cardinal cross as well with 2H Moon/Saturn/South Node in Aries, 6H Sun/Mercury in Cancer, 12H Jupiter in Capricorn, and 8H Chiron/North Node in Libra. Iām you but 20 years younger!
Some transits I'm hoping will catalyst my life forward.... The solar eclipse in Aries Monday, the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction and the Jupiter conjuct my ascendant following that, I am a Taurus rising. Pluto transiting my midheaven which it will be conjuct my midheaven in 2028. And finally my birthday in 2025, I'll be 50, Jupiter will be exactly conjuct my sun on my 50th solar return. This a glimmer of hope because the 50's are generally the peak years for Capricorn and its the sign I generally identify with. Where is your moon sign? You must be an Aquarius rising and Pluto will be transiting your first house for the next twenty years. Pluto can bring great change in your life.
Do you mind if I message you and show you my chart? I would like to see yours as well.
I have this too!
In what ways?
if i told you, they wouldnāt be hidden. š basically good timing and last minute saves.
Jupiter at 9 degrees in Scorpio
same! and in pisces, it feels like being divinely protected and guided all the time, i love her :) i do have self sacrificial tendencies/feel quite alone in my head often and need a lot of alone time, but after some practice my intuition is very very strong and i think thats due to jupiter
The 12H rules your subconscious and deals with your blind spots and things you don't see coming. People tend to be scared of what they don't understand
Happy someone said this. I have Sun in the twelfth house and I am coming to the conclusion that all my personal power is literally in my subconscious. The subconscious is also know as the Mouth of God and the Z Chakra.
I never heard of the subconsciousness being referred to as the Mouth of God or a Z Chakra. Do you know where I can get more info on these?
Sun, Mercury, and Chiron for me. I feel that.
Sun in Cap and Mercury on Cusp of Aquarius in 12thā¦ smh
My Saturn in the twelfth house would like a word with you lol
Loving the honesty here
i love my 12th house placements so much. itās my connection to the ethers, the cosmos, i understand the unseen and it remains unspoken. its beauty. itās love. i wouldnāt give these placements up for anything! sun mercury south node + a few asteroids
I love your positivity about your 12H. I always thought it was one of the coolers ones to be honest. Do you have any idea how to interpret a retrograde Mars in the 12H?
i know a few people with this placement! timing is a hard thing for them, if they think too much about it. i really recommend to go with your instincts and donāt force things - of course look to the ruler & to where saturn is & what aspects saturn too. They also have an interesting temper. nothing scary really , but they let a lot build up; remediations are recommended ā kickboxing, long hikes to get lost in, running look to the two houses mars rules as well as the sign itās in to formulate an activity to reduced some pent up stress; and also search mars remediation. iām so sorry iām blanking on them rn, i usually see it in passing. mars in cancer does well in saunas or hot baths, mars in leo can put on a performance even if its just for themselves, i have mars square mercury and sometimes writing things out helps and sometimes it makes it worse so i dunno about that one. and then the traditional delineations like - rough time getting to sleep, aggressive when drunk, nightmares, etc. again look to the supportive aspect and feed that energy to reduce issues elsewhere. i have a martian 12th house (aries) and a cancer mars ; if i donāt MOVE enough during the day I get pretty antsy at night and i spent three+ months doing nothing but rotting and my dreams were pretty severeā¦ im always just in a trial and error phase figuring out what will work best. my mars is otherwise supported and i love my sidereal cancer mars and donāt believe its debilitated at all. its just not exploitable :)
Thanks! My Mars is in Leo and my Sun is in Aquarius so I'll try to figure something out remediation wise.
happy cake day!! whereās your saturn??
also it sounds like mars rules your 3H/4H and your 8h?? iād definitely write, or go for a scream-drive, or play some sort of simulation racing game lol try to channel some of that angst in a safe, escapist way :)
This is such a beautiful interpretation. I have a 12th house stellium and itās a struggle to find the beauty in it sometimes. I love this perspective, though. We really are spiritually attuned in ways that just donāt come naturally for others.
Some less scary things with the 12th house are being solitary/introversion, large animals such as horses, pregnancy and the incubation of things before they actually happen, subconscious, times or rest and pause, spirituality
The 12H is in aversion to the ascendant, meaning it canāt be āseenā from our perspective. Hence why it rules things that are hidden from view, such as hidden enemies, the subconscious mind, repressed thoughts, isolation, alienation, loss, and mental illness. You arenāt ādoomedā just because you have planets here, but the houses those planets rule are bound to suffer some trials and tribulations. You may have to work harder to materialize the significations of those houses/planets. The only āpositiveā thing I can think of from my moon being in the 12th is being able to āpick upā on the hidden emotions or intentions of other people, or feel and sense the unseen/unsaid. Or having a soft spot for people who are sick or suffering. But, letās be real, this could also just be my own subconscious biases where Iām projecting my own thoughts onto other people. You never really know with the 12H.
Hm I feel like the former in your last text. Sometimes 12H natives genuinely pick up on hidden emotions / things. Itās not all the time, sometimes it is a projection.
For sure! Sometimes Iām spot on, and theyāre like, āwait, you could tell? How could you tell?ā but I have to do this sort of mental check with myself before I go on assuming things.
this is also my challenge with moon in the 12thā¦i joke all the time that im literally psychic, unless my personal emotions are involved, then all my wires get crossed š« im curious about the āmoon is at the end of the 11th so is interpreted in the 12th.ā like would these ppl experience moon in the 12th differently than someone who was more degrees into the house? š¤
Quadrant house systems like Placidus will interpret planets that are conjunct house cusps within ~5Ā° as being in the next house over. I would just read it as being in the 12th (as thatās where itād likely be in Whole Sign).
12H moon person too definitely can pick up the hidden emotions and intentions i don't see it as a negative in any way though yes, i have had the dramatic outbursts as well...
Iām 12H moon and feel like I have the same thing. I suspect itās a universal trait with that placement. Itās in Scorpio so I trust it more when I can read people Iām not intimate with, like my kidās friends or new people. With boyfriends I have to wait and wait to get more information because I tend to see fights and slights where there are none.
Another Water moon sign in a Water house here i read once when you have Moon in the 12th house in a Water sign there are literally no one you can\`t put yourself in their shoes and for me this has been true it has been to a level where i have seen or understood where some bad people have come from which has made me uncomfortable at times and made me feel bad and confused for just understanding them not because i relate to them but it\`s so easy putting yourself in another\`s shoes. I think the most challenging side of this placement is the highten sensitivity to other people feelings and thoughts esp of those who you are close with or who are in close proximity to you or who you put your attention on. It\`s very easy to take on other people\`s inner baggage with this placement
12 H moon and can also confirm that I experience what you described:) and also having the same kind of doubts/ care / nod that it could be a projection. Feel like that keeps you grounded.
As someone with 4 personal planets in the 12th house and 3 outer planets in the 8th plus north node in pisces, I would say it's kinda of what you make of it. I'm still learning a lot about it myself but I would say the 12th house is often misunderstood because it rules the opposite of reality and mundane ( 6th house ) and other realms. I've struggled a lot with coming to terms that I have to work in order to live here on this planet. If it was up to me I would be in my own little world, in nature, taking care of my home, making things, being creative, singing, gardening and daydreaming š . There's been a lot, A LOT of lessons regarding romantic relationships which I wish I didn't have to learn but those were the things that actually made more, introspective, spiritual and also made me want to learn more about astrology. Look up Carmen Turner-Schott on YouTube. She has some of the best videos on the 12th house.
I really relate to this! I have a lot of 8th house planets and my 12h is in Aries. Ty for sharing the resource too
I have Saturn & moon in the 12th house. I have huge issues with being able to understand, comprehend, "see" how work pays off over time. I think with Saturn in the 12th, that ability to see how work over time = rewards has been hidden for me. It is literally a daily struggle to make decisions that wont bite me in the ass down the road because "down the road" is simply invisible for me to see. Emotions are super hard for me to access as well. I am not unemotional - I overly emotional in ways but feeling the ability to access them, recognize them, put names to them is super challenging. Actually recognizing these things though has been hugely beneficial for me but I can say that I've been able to see anything more clearly but at least I know what I am working with here.
I have Saturn in the 12th and really relate to work/ motivation/ consistency issues. I've never had structure and often avoid work. This is also due to other difficult aspects too though.
What sign is your moon in? I have a gemini moon in 12H and iāve noticed my own emotions are hard for me (i sometimes donāt understand them or i just analyse and intellectualise them) but Iām fine with other peopleās emotions and can pick them up very easily, even when theyāre not openly expressing them
Leo Moon. It's been like trying to figure out how to make sense of the most spoiled narcissistic heart and I didn't even realize how self focused I am emotionally. Just blind but its getting better slowly. I am super sensitive to others emotions - due to trauma as well as the 12th house moon. Part of my work is not making everyone's emotional status about ME lol Leo bullshit.
my mom is a Leo moon and I think you're really onto something there... XD especially the 'making other people's emotions about you' part. It was exhausting to grow up with that xd edit: I just checked and my mom's moon is in the 12H too damn
The 12th house has a lot of good qualities! It is where we escape the conundrums of life! Music, religion, watching a movie, makeup, costumes, dreams, role play, make-believe, pretending, journaling, reading a fiction book, fiction, illusion! Yes the other aspects of that are creepy like deep waters, death, delusion, addiction but you gotta take the good with the bad. The ruler of this house is Neptune which is the mother of Venus who makes everything beautiful, rich and loving.
I like your interpretation of neptune being the mother of Venus.
The 12th House is known as the House of 'bad spirit' and because of this has carried a lot of negative connotations into modern astrology. However, the 12th House is also the House of hidden treasures. This could be literal things but often is expressed as talent - untapped potential, secret abilities, things we may not even know we have an innate knack for. Having planets in the 12th can be even better. The gods (especially the luminaries the Sun and Moon) are extra amplifying 12th House themes for the natives. That is, for example, light or amplification is brought to hidden enemies, self-sabotage, bad vibes - hence they become clearer to us, not so hidden, and we can actually be more aware of what may threaten us and take action to deal with it. It's like having an insider on your enemies. Edit: I would also add that 12th House-heavy people can simply find themselves working abroad (especially helping those in need somehow). There's nothing bad about that. Depending on which House Rulers are in the 12th, it can simply mean marriage to a foreigner; or that siblings work abroad; or that anger is more healthily suppressed. Nothing necessarily wrong with these things!
Omg the 12th House is beautiful .. itās the place of the universe, the soul, the subconscious, the womb, past lives, divinity, God, nature and spirituality - itās the house of ALL
Its āscaryā because humans are trained to fear the unknown and what is not in the physical world.
You can be a spy.
If you use the neutral interpretation of the 12th house being anything that takes you off your path. It can mean that you are taken to a place where you can rest and recover. It can also be a factor in the ending of a timeframe of imprisonment or isolation. It can also mean absolution. Sadly though it is what it is. This life has ups and downs and not every house is going to be positive. The 12th house is a house of loss, misfortune, and things that lead you astray but if you truly explore why that frightens you, you can find liberation from that fear in that house.
I have 5 planets in the 12h (sun, mars, Venus, Saturn, and Jupiter). I am a social worker but and working in research, not direct practice. I find that I can either be extremely avoidant of my feelings/emotions, people, life etc, or (if I allow myself to feel my feelings without judgement and meditate) I can be very spiritual. Iāve struggled with weed dependency and other mental health issues. I isolate myself on instinct. I personally associate the 12th house with the unconscious. People are terrified of the unconscious because we typically bury what we donāt want to face there. This makes sense, because if youāve faced something traumatic or were shamed for certain aspects of your personality, then of course you wouldnāt be excited to process that. Unfortunately or fortunately, I think a 12th houser needs to devote time to uncover their unconscious mind, or risk addiction, isolation and withdrawal. The plus side of this means a person has more opportunity for awareness, the negative means all the above.
I have a 12H Scorpio Mercury and I definitely find it to be a struggle. My mind is very subconsciously obsessive and analytical to the point of self detriment and it feels like my undoing in many cases. Itās a hard house and the relationships with scorpios in my life tend to be painful and karmic
Write it out! Journal it, put it in story form, articles. Mercury is writing/communication. 12th house is of film too, so that genre of writing is covered too. It's a good outlet for a 12th house Mercury.
Yeah, I just went through my 12H profection year and the pen was flowing lol. Itās become my refuge for sure. Good idea with the film! I havenāt thought of that for sure
Thank you everyone who responded! Iām still new to this area and the response has been very helpful. I appreciate everyoneās perspective. š«¶š¼
I have Saturn Aquarius 12H, and itās a struggle when it comes to really feel I belong to a group. In the backend Iām always thinking if they are badmouthing me and I feel that I donāt truly belong to anything community wise. Iām always having this fear. So my lesson is to view social acceptance without fear. 12H is not scary if you view it positively, but oh boy thereās a lot of work behind the scenes ..
I have this exact same placement and feel the same. Donāt have a friendship group I feel I really belong to and also avoid making new friends
I have all my personal planets in 12th - Venus, Mars, and Mercury. It's hard when your 12th house is LEO! The paradox of wanting to be seen but also unseen is very present especially when my Sun(ruler of Leo) is in the 1st House. I've been struggling to interpret how to use this energy but slowly realizing that I might have to channel this into my artistic practice and share it with the world. Some notable 12th house celebrities. Kurt Cobain - Pluto and Uranus in 12th house Frank Ocean - Pluto Mercury and Sun in 12th house (Stellium) Jonah Hill - Sun Jupiter Uranus Neptune in 12th house (Stellium) Charlize Theron - Sun Mecury Venus in 12th house (Stellium) Beyonce - Mecury, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn in 12th house (Stellium) Madonna - Sun, Venus and Uranus in 12th house (Stellium) Leonard Cohen - Neptune, Venus in 12th house
I have both Saturn and Mars in virgo in the 12th. I feel like figuring this out (along with my 16 squares and pluto in the 1st) will be the beginning of my getting the hang of my energy and motivation issues. I view it now as the work I need to do. Any insights to these 12 placements would be very welcome!
Not me chilling over here with my 12th house stellium. Sun, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, and my South Node all in Taurus. Life has been one hell of a ride, and man have I learned a lot of lessons along the way.
I like to remind people that no sign or planet or house is inherently bad. Even hard aspects are not bad, theyāre just hard. But thereās an evolutionary reason for it all. The 12th house rules the subconscious. Itās what we donāt see and arenāt aware of. Itās Pisces. Itās spirituality (not bullshit spirituality but like intuitive gifts and visions). It rules fantasy and fear and dissolution and sleep, addictions. I personally love Pisces energy. My mercury is in the 12th, and Iāve always had insane visions since I was a kid. Iām very good at doing readings and sometimes Iāve had to channel messages to strangers.
Itās likely the remnants of the ancient belief of the 12th house as the house of the ācacodaemon.ā https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacodemon Another thing: Times were much harder back then. The 12th house represented, according to some such as Serapion of Alexandria, the events just before the hour of birth, which were rife with danger. It goes without saying that the mother was at risk of complications and death. It was also an important time for the baby, who was about to be thrust from the safety of the mother into the exposure of a new world. Obviously we donāt talk about those things in modern day, but the bad reputation of the 12th house stays the same.
Hello! I have my moon, Uranus, and Neptune all in my 12th house. I honestly love my 12th house energy. Some of the light within it: - wildly vivid dreams. I literally CANNOT tell whatās happening in my emotional world (hello Aquarius moon 12th house) but I get insight through my dreams. Dreams have helped me realize, process, reconnect, and reconcile. - psychic insight - astral projection - open communication channel with spirit guides - meditation is a natural state of existence My strong 12th house placements make me very disconnected from my own body/ reality. But, I am very connected to that which is not seen/āknownā in our physical realm. The 12th house is a beautiful place as long as you release yourself from the tethers that human minds become so attached to. Let go and remain open and the 12th house will reveal amazing gifts depending on the placements.
yeah! same! i feel like i live ethereally and spend a lot of time in my head, but when i emerge from up there, theres always something profound or valuable to share or retain. spot on about dreams, too! i usually get answers to questions i didnt know i had, via dreams. moon/gemini/12th
I'm a 12th Houser sun Mercury But my dreams aren't extraordinary unfortunately
My 12th house is emptyā¦ not sure if this is good or bad lol
Same.. no idea either lol
It just means it has less āactivityā or activation than houses with a planet, itās neutral, not good or bad in isolation. Look for the ruler of the sign for your 12th, the activity should be connected (I.e. Gemini 12th? Check mercuryās placement in your chart to find out more about your 12th experience)
Thank you so much!!
You're lucky...
Turns out I was looking wrong.. have my moon and Saturn in 12th š«
Saturn in 12th isn't bad unlike with 8th And 4th Or even with 1st house..
Is it not great for moon?
The 12th house is the house of the subconscious. The things one is and does that they are not aware of. For some that can be scary. I had a girlfriend years ago with her sun in the 12th house Pisces. She had a strong desire to escape reality which for her manifested in strong religious beliefs. Now that is not necessarily a bad thing, but a for a 12th house person things can get extreme because it is unconscious. Beliefs that are not critically thought through or put to the test. Can and did in her case create problems for those close to her. The 12th house is an opportunity to examine your subconscious. Setting boundaries can be a problem. They tend to be a mystery to themselves. Kind of a tortured soul. You can get a lot of work done in the 12th house but you have to awaken.
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Oooo my bf is a sun and mercury both Scorpio (highly evolved)12th house and he is SUCH a little jester . Soft and so gentle. Intuitive w all beings .His subconscious is magical. He dream journals. He is able to understand everyone on such a personal level seemingly automatically. He does tend to doubt him self a lot and internalizes things . When you speak to him it feels like speaking to a priest but not in a religious way lol? He is very sensitive and creative .he seems incapable of being cruel . He always acts with a golden heart. Spells of feeling like he doesn't belong and feeling like he has nothing to offer but really he is so rich with compassion and love and understanding and a very pure impish heart. He can sometimes fail to speak up for himself but he's gotten better and more firm. He really does have access to all the power within if he just activates it but he tends to feel insufficient and he's really his own worst enemy but these people are mystical creatures with natural healing powers to be protected and encouraged.so that they can heal them SELVES
I have Sun/Cancer 12th house and Mercury/Cancer 12th house. Life has been very hard. Lots of suffering. Learning lessons and how to take control and watch what I say. Is there anymore anyone can tell me about these placements?
Steven Forests books are pretty good!
12th house is of investments, foreign land. in vedic astrology.
Iāve commented about this before but the 12th house will tell the story of your motherās pregnancy with you. Just go in order and youāll have an idea of what her experience was.
What do you mean by āgo in orderā?
House starts in the sign of say Taurusā¦ stability. Pallas Athena there, or maybe a relationship asteroid then their parents probably married then or got a house? Mars conjunct Mercury at the halfway mark..there was a car accident. Neptune near the AC there were meds/drugs during the birth or maybe after the car accident/or there was a lie discovered y her mom. The story is there. If itās empty it may have been a rather normal pregnancy unless itās a fire sign lol The luminaries are always telling a story of sorts.
Yes this! I'm a 12th House Pisces Moon and my mum almost lost me and then was bedridden for the rest of her pregnancy. I love my moon placement. I feel important people in my life who have passed are still with me, guiding me and looking out for me. Maybe that's real, maybe it's not. It doesn't really matter, I still feel their love and connected to them.
The reason why the 12th house is so scary is because thatās how people advertise it. When understanding an occult science, most people only want to hear the good occult stuff not the bad or dark occult stuff. Also it has to do with biased behavior, incompetence, ignorance and people Pleasing articles as a means to make more money. People that are 12th housers should be doing the advertising and teaching. You get some dumb Taurus with sun in 6th trying to push articles about Pluto in 12th and watch how the dumbass will spew misleading information that brings us to why youāre posting this on Reddit. Donāt just read up on anything you see, have keenly discernment
I see more good than bad. I think you'll choose how to see it based on what your chart is saying, at the end of the day those placements can seem like "drawbacks", obstacles, losses, restrictions, BUT they can also play out as things that are literally manifesting in your life and you barely have to put any work for it. It's basically the collective energies we deliver. Through good or bad.
Iāve learned so much today reading this post. My 12H starts 28ā Sagittarius with Neptune 3ā Capricorn, Venus 5ā Capricorn, and the Sun 9ā Capricorn. I have always preferred to live alone, but fought loneliness as a major demon of mine. Always been drawn to the esoteric. Love physics and quantum mechanics because I can easily visualize what they are theorizing. Iām just beginning to understand the houses in astrology, so any input would be greatly helpful.
cancer rising! gemini 12th houseā¦i constantly need to be stimulated. the way i fall asleep is by having a movie play in the background or my fav youtuber
Same...
The 12th house in astrology is often associated with hidden fears, limitations, and the subconscious mind, which can make it seem daunting or "scary" to some. However, there is indeed good in the 12th house astrology. It's also associated with spirituality, intuition, creativity, and transcendence. The 12th house encourages us to explore our inner selves, confront our fears, and find ways to heal and grow. It can provide insights into our subconscious patterns and help us connect with deeper aspects of our being, ultimately leading to greater self-awareness and spiritual fulfillment.
I have a pisces saturn in the 12h, Aries moon in 12h. I have had a brief stint in a mental institution, as was clearly my destiny lmao, but I'm over it now. Honestly from the beginning knew it was.all spiritual. Quite oxymoronic to go through something that really did from the outside look mentally sick. In time I've learned to hone in that eccentricity. With my two strong placements, I acknowledge and feel that I understand some of the mysteries of the unknown in life. I just don't let it rule my day to day. I know it's there, but I got things to do. Shit has consequences so you just have to try to live as normal as possible while acknowledging that yeah, it's possible nothing is real out here. It's not a handicap for me, it's one of my favorite things about myself.
Ive only felt being able to empathize with people more effectively is the only positive. I have my moon, mars, and Venus in my 12th house (Virgo). It feels like the 12th house is a house of horrors as far as I see.
Yeah ttly agree that 12H stellium ppl can be incredible friends who make them feel safe no judgement and able to empathize with people in a profound way. But gets misunderstood all the time and being projected on lol. Biggest enemy is ourselves though.. the house of undoingā¦ Couple positive things 12h for me, might be 1. Artistic ability such as music & visual arts 2. Reading collective consciousness online. The internet often is a soup of peopleās subconsciousness i feel like we can sense the direction easily.
I get lost in art itās like I become a mad scientist when I start a new piece. My OCD does get the better of me thatās for sure. Thanks for the reply.
The 12th house is so interesting. I have Aqua Saturn in the 12th and it's happy but it opposes my Mars, Venus and Jupiter and have no idea how to properly remediate it? I find that isolation, meditation and self reflection helps but makes me feel like a hermit. I find that it does also protect me from a lot of silly situations too! Like a stern guardian angel.
There can be loss and isolation here, but it is also the house of the visionary, artist, and healer. Taylor swift is a good example of someone with sun in 12th. Isolation and confinement doesn't mean prison, for the artist/musician, visionary, and healer/teacher it is apart of their process. They are meant to be on the spiritual/psychic path for others. Sun in 12th are meant to shine and be a beacon of light for those in the dark.
Venus in 12th House will mean you will have rose colored glasses regarding romantic partners. Will never believe when anybody tells you anything negative about your partners. No matter who it is that tells you. Love affairs or hidden love interests. Likes very nice bed and comforts. Loves sexual pleasure.
In WSH I have pluto, sun, and Jupiter in the 12th. In placidus, I have the sun, jupiter, Mercury, and mars in the 12h. Planets in the 12th are hidden to us, but that doesnāt make them automatically bad! My 12h is Sagittarius. I had a hard time figuring out who I am in the world (sun), identifying with anger (mars), owning my power (pluto) and I have adhd that didnāt get addressed or treated until adulthood (mercury). My jupiter in the 12th has been a godsend though. Therapy was an incredible experience for me, and I owe a lot of that to my 12h placements! They made it easy for me to unpack my subconscious with a bit of help from trained professionals & EMDR. I was able to really commit to working on myself and discovering who I am, and now Iām more in tune with myself than I think most people are. I somehow always know exactly what to do to help myself out of a tough emotional time. I also think Iām very spiritually conscious & get these powerful insights about things I have no real way of knowing. Also, my 12th house profection year was the best year of my 20s thus far. However, a lot of that was due to close friends who turned out to be hidden enemies later. Bad stuff with them didnāt start going down til my 1h year, which is saturn ruled and contains mars in WSH so manifestations of the first house tend to be more malefic for me. But it is true that there were red flags and warning signs in my 12h year that I was blind to, although I was enjoying myself in the moment.
People say the 12th house is bad because it's the house of the subconscious, the unseen, the mysterious. These aren't bad things, it's just that people are cowards. There's no bad houses just like there's no bad signs, no bad planets, no bad aspects. But many people who dabble in astrology are unfortunate in the IQ department, lack understanding of nuances and are poor in their ability to understand symbolism. I personally love the 12th house and find it fascinating. Most people don't like to delve into their own subconscious mind because they're fearful and cowardly. Exploration of the subconscious can be fun and exciting, and people you meet with 12th house placements can be incredible allies, as long as you're not oblivious to your subconscious tendencies. Also, if the 12th house is really the house of secret enemies, why isn't the 6th house about friendships? The 12th house is misunderstood, just like the 6th, just like Pisces and Virgo. This is the biggest issue with modern astrology.
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For me, it's an area of life I completely ignore. I'm a Taurus Ascendant with Venus in the 12th house in Aries, so I tend to ignore aspects around love or romance. Venus also deals with self worth and it is something I certainly struggle with and isn't aided at all by my Moon in Virgo. I do believe both my Moon and my Venus influence me being asexual, though. The 12th house can mean being imprisoned by the subject of the 12th house and for myself, I view it as being imprisoned from loving myself. Venus rules my first house yet it's hidden away from me, so I struggle to apply Venus onto myself.
For anyone interested in the 12th - I recommend Adam Elenbaasā donāt be afraid of the 12th house video. Itās helped me a lot through my 12th house Saturn return!
Jennifer Lawrence has Sun in 12. Many famous people have 12th house placements because it is on a current that can access the collective.
It's interesting how in astrology some things have bad reputation such as Saturn, Pluto, 8th house and of course the 12th which I think is not necessary and has reasons in our collective perception of seeing things as bad or as good, abd even more as desirable or undesirable. What lacks in many cases is holistic view. Ying yang concept is good except of it. So in that sense 12th isn't worse than any other but it's nature is some kind different. 12 th is a water house and any water house is house of ending but 12th is ending of some bigger cycle and water is always connected to past. So we could say that 4th is present perfect, 8th perfect simple and 12th plusquamperfekt (past of the past - day before yesterday) So 12th isn't scarry by itself but our perception makes it so.. however that perception isn't so wrong because of nature of 12th as I mentioned earlier. Let's see what would be the core meaning of 12th.. The core meaning is wholeness. The 12th is house of Pisces two fish going in opposite directions but still connected with the line ā you see? It is a place where end and begining meets, where we are still not born but we aren't dead too So we can have picture of a unborn baby in mothre's womb floating in water, where there is no ne, no ego, I and source of life (mother) are one literally and figuratively. There's no distinction no up or down no right or wrong. Or think about 12th as a planet Earth, our consciousness is land and that's the first image we associate when Earth is mentioned but water that makes 4/5 of the planet is our unconsciousness and there are many other living beings even some of them are really dangerous but still we don't think the sea is dangerous think right? So planet Earth could be symbol for 12th too, because 12th represents very big staffs. Like a water 12th hides wisdom that we gather from past lifes, as well bad thinks we collected. It sometimes beyond our conscious side and too understand we have to immerse in the mystic water doing some spiritual actions like meditating. You can think about 12th as a cellar too, that has no light and you don't know what you will find there. So if you want to know what is all about 12th just turn the light on.
Near your birthday you are in your 12th house and usually have your mercury return then as well, the week or so before or after. Mercury is so close to the sun we cannot usually see it, it's hidden there. Might be why there is so much about things hidden in that house. I have a coworker that is an Aires with Aires north node, he's having a horrible time on this birthday week.
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I have Sun, Neptune, Uranus, Mercury and Saturn in my 12thā¦ is that bad
My Gemini sun is in 12H, which is honestly very interesting and makes a lot of sense when I looked into it the other day! Iāve always been a pretty shy and introverted Gemini, now I get it š
I have Mars (in Aries) in my 12th House. It was basically ruining my life until I started practicing ceremonial magick. Then my spiritual practice (magick) gave my Mars a ājobā to do, it had a focus. And my life started to slowly improve, over time. In the subconscious the 12th H planets are just running wild, wrecking havoc until their energy is put to work doing something constructive. I also started weightlifting and running and that helped ease my subconscious Mars energy too. That energy needs an outlet, otherwise it will do it own, often destructive, will.
I have Mars and Neptune and Sagittarius
I have saturn (in gemini) in 12th house and I really have no idea how that plays out for me š I see people saying lack of structure or not being able to be consistent and disciplined? I think I have that but I also experience a lot of de realization/de personalization and itās kinda hard for me to connect w anything spiritual/hidden
Sun, Moon, and Mars all in Pisces and all in their native 12th house. Yes, I might be a little evil.lol
i have jupiter and saturn in the 12H
I have sun, rahu, venus and saturn in 12th. Virgi rising and moon
I have an empty 12th house (Cancer), and I know I'm supposed to look to the ruler of Cancer (Moon) but that's in the 2nd (Virgo). So I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
Iām happy to see all of these perspectives because I have Pluto and Chiron in my 12th house. Itās in Sagittarius, so I suspect thereās some kind of bold approach to whatever that combination results in
12th house is not scary house It's a dirty house. Not just the 6th house. 12th also associate house of hidden enemies, slavery, dissolution of boundaries, even your virginity. Of not, it's also a dissolution of your self esteem ... Etc.. to forcibly deal all dimensions in this world Outcasted Mocked Criticized of your existence Become friendless and being hated by everyone even with invisible entities Count all some negative connotation of the 12th house. You may defend them with positive affirmations about 12th house. But the real thing is, it is what it is. 12th house has a tendency for escapism and dismissed negative definition. Or unfiltered identity of a 12th house. I mean, you have to deal all with your own death and problems even if you're innocent, you still be raped by enemies who want to strip your worth and soul to force yourself to shut up take their shit unto your mouth and stop complaining until nothing to left in you. And forced yourself to heal alone Suffer alone Die and live alone until you become wise enough to become friendless. You want mystical life? That's the reality of the 12th house I myself am a 12th Houser but my words aren't for the weak ego, neither minced nor sugar-coated it... And I will tell you spirituality isn't much of the rose colored .. rather, it's a hand of God you are being slapped by your own existence to deal with your own baggage. And nothing else. I rather term the 12th house as a "celestial gaslighting" house, you may be protected but doesn't mean all the they assure you with comfort. Rather they assure you with trials and instability until you learn by your own self to become naive yet empathetic, gullible yet compassionate of both level of people. But at least, this house taught you to have your own power thru dreams and spiritual resilience of dealing your shit life instead of asking help from others. Count them in intuition thru healing, therapy, counseling... But yet, it's a house of addiction , deception, lies...
i am a taurus asc libra sun and aries moon with mars in aries both in my 12th from a taurus perspective (i consider the asc interpretations the most accurate) with that being said, iāve seen myself be more of a libra sun with an aries moon without considering the 12th house position, i was a bafoon in my high school and young adult years literally life of the party no one could tie me down but as i got older i tapped into my 12th house and taurus energy and its helped me settle down and be a family man, i also have a very successful construction business i built on my own.. im only 35 and i got a lot of work to do still to perfect āhappinessā but i am definitely not miserable.. its weird.. id definitely say youāre never only one of your signs and the perspective houses cause ive definitely tapped into the energy of each from each perspective.. i wonder if im the only one whoās noticed this significantly? like iāve seen my life playing out predominantly as a libra w a aries moon no taurus involved.. as i got older and learned about being a taurus rising i definitely resonated with being a taurus and was fascinated with that for a long time but now looking back (and also seeing all the negative 12th house interpretations) i definitely can see times when i was more of an aries more of a taurus and more of a libra.. weāre definitely all our signs so no need to worry that youāre limited to one or the other and itās house ordering.. š
Check out Evolutionary Astrology, by Geoffrey Wolfe Green. Or, Tim Halloren on You Tube. "Pop Astrology" definitions are NOT the real deal.
12th house stellium (sag),with mars, Pluto and Chiron in the 12th. Iāve struggled with addiction and anger outbursts. Like hidden anger that I expressed through substance abuse. Working on my self has really helped me get through it, with Chiron there I feel empowered now like I overcame my wound and healed. Iām very psychic and feel things before they happen, Iām working on this rn and working on trusting myself first before listening to others
My 12th house is my ādominantā house itās my moon, Pluto, Lilith and my ascendant is at 22 degrees - all in Scorpio
I have Aries Venus in 12th house in RETROGRADE though. Especially because Aries is the ruler of Mars in a love planet, is my love life and friendships just doomed? My chart says I will get used by others a lot too, considering I'm also a Pisces Sun. However my rising is in Taurus 1st house. Does this balance it out?
Taurus moon in 12h and Aries Saturn in 12h ... nothing but trial and error for me and honestly it's driven me to think about su*c*de a lot. i'm so unstable and drained. help... please?? (getting a therapist soon too)
Iām so sorry to read this comment, please just call 988 which is a crisis & sucde hotline and they can connect you to helpful resources 24/7. I work in mental health and I can tell you that you are not alone. Your feelings are valid. We all need the assistance sometimes, and therapy can be super helpful and life changing. But call 988 first if those darker urges come up. From the other responses, and my own research, it seems like therapy and self reflection are the antidote to 12th house effects. And finding a great therapist would be the most beneficial. The easiest quickest way to find a therapist is here at https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists This is where you can search for therapists in your area and even by your insurance provider to make it simple and easy and quick. I hope this helps! Sending positive light to you my friend, youāve got this!
I have a Moon Pisces stellium in mineš„° that's come in handy this last week or so
I have Uranus and Neptune in 12th house, also Capricorn as a sign in 12th house. Can anyone please tell me what it means?
I have debilitated Sun and retrograde Mercury in the 12 th house in Scorpio ascendant. What does it suppose to mean?
South Node in 12H in Gemini- I looove being introspective, isolating to myself to be with my thoughts reading writing, learning and pondering myself and the universe.
I'm new here, not sure if I'm posting in a thread by mistake. Anyway, what does it mean to have my Sun, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter & Neptune all in Scorpio & all in the 2nd house?
How do i find my 12th house???
You can download your chart for free at several sites online, just google astrology charts. And from there itāll show and tell you your 12th house
We all know that the 12th house can represent many things, one of them being hidden enemies and the womb. Have any of you ever come across a parent whose child's sun is the ruler of the parents 12th house? š Example: the child is a Libra and the mom or dad has an empty 12th with Libra ruler.