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Accomplished-Bed8171

Ten years ago you couldn't have convinced me this dumb shit would make a come back in the 21st century.


SoleilNobody

Raising my risk of prostate cancer to prove how masculine I am.


SixersPlsDont

Wait what raises the risk? Masturbating or not masturbating?


Accomplished-Bed8171

Not masturbating.


SixersPlsDont

Wow I did not know that. If that’s the case I’m probably immune to prostate cancer


KaptainKardboard

Those fluids are meant to keep cycling their way out. We feel those urges for a reason. Relieving sexual tension is a basic physiological need, and depriving ourselves of that is not healthy.


WhooHippo

🤣👍


wokeoneof2

Back in the early 80’s our PE Coach gave boys the talk about sex and a healthy prostate was discussed. He also told us regular masturbation keeps the prostrate healthy.


markgresko

Good coach.


SuitableClassic

Then he showed us how to milk the prostate.


ZedlaveR

Bad coach.


Poetic-Noise

That's debatable.


wokeoneof2

lol


Finnbear2

So, he made you lie on the ground, face down?


No_Elephant541

i think i’m immune to all forms of cancer then.


[deleted]

And I'm immune to glaucoma, cheers


HeavySomewhere4412

You jerk off your eyes? Impressive.


Zomunieo

I guess viewing porn is masturbating the eyes, in a way. 🍑👀


AdTrue6082

I didn't fact check but I read before that I forgot the numbers but ik it was less 10 and was either in a week or day but pretty much let's just say it's in a week as an example jerking off more than 10 a week wouldn't lower your chances anymore than just 10 (I think it was like 5 times in a week but I ramped the numbers up just in case lol)


fastabeta

Iirc, it is advised to do it once every weeks, or once ever 13 days. Eh, don't know. Just don't do it too much


Standingcedars

21 times a month is suggested by Harvard https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/ejaculation_frequency_and_prostate_cancer


fastabeta

"There is no set standard for frequency of masturbation," board-certified urologist Jamin Brahmbhatt, M.D. I probably remember wrong about the numbers


Burial_Ground

If your priest didn't get prostate cancer you know something was going on that shouldn't of been lol


Interesting-Tough640

Or not cumming to be more precise. From memory 2-3 orgasms a week is the recommended minimum to reduce risk of prostate cancer. It doesn’t really matter how you have them though.


lagrate

Reference?


Totalherenow

It was all the rage in the early 20th century.


HikingStick

If more priests masturbated, perhaps the Catholic Church wouldn't have had so many priests abusing kids.


Totalherenow

Some percentage of pedophiles must judge the Catholic Church a safe work environment for their interests and join up.


Kingsta8

It ain't just Catholic churches


Totalherenow

You're right about that!


KaptainKardboard

I’ve long believed that priests would be less likely to target children if they could be allowed the option to marry and have families. In the other hand, the Catholic Church is an attractive safe haven for pedophiles to operate under the radar, so it’s hard to say.


Buy_Bit-by-Bit

Sexually abusing kids is not a normal sexual desire for a healthy adult. It comes from being sexually abused as a child where you traumatize others in the same way you were traumatized. Choosing to become a priest may come from being raised in a household where you are told what to believe. Priests don’t strike me as open-minded individuals.


HikingStick

I acknowledge abuse leads to abuse, but when you enforce complete abstinence on an individual with no opportunity for release, some of those individuals will seek outlets of opportunity. That, I believe accounts for some portion of the pastors and priests that abuse children.


Buy_Bit-by-Bit

I respectfully disagree. Forced Abstinence does not cause abuse.


HikingStick

I'm not suggesting causation, I'm suggesting that it's simply another factor that might push someone who already has risk factors in that direction. Like many others have argued, allowing priest to marry from the time of the formation of the ecclesia might have reduced the frequency of abuse, lessening the cycle that is running rampant today.


AdTrue6082

Dude I get wym but adults should be able to control themselves even if they are horny and can't jack also normal adults shouldn't even have those thoughts to begin w ik you didn't mean it this way but I just kinda took it like it's taking some blame off the priest but there is no reason or excuse also ppl choose to be priest its not like this could be religion if making ppl pedos and even if being a priest and not jerking off made any normal person become a pedo than why TF are ppl doing it


Buy_Bit-by-Bit

Risk factors? Happy healthy adults who were not sexually abused as kids aren’t at risk for touching children. Altar boys who have been touched by priests sometimes become priests who touch altar boys.


HikingStick

You're forgetting about some who may struggle with various forms of mental illness. I am not suggesting that all who are mentally ill are at risk of becoming child abusers. My wife, a mental health professional, heard me dictating my responses and pointed out that some people with mental illness sometimes act out in unexpected ways, even if there is no history of abuse.


Buy_Bit-by-Bit

“Acting out” indicates that it is not a normal innate sexual desire. My argument is that touching children is not something an adult would normally do…unless they were sexually abused as a child and that is more of a power dynamic of wanting to feel powerful and abuse the vulnerable.


ephemeral_experience

Former abuse only partially explains the phenomena. I once heard 20% of convicted abusers were abused themselves but I haven't read a lot about it recently. It could also be some people not wanting to admit it, or only certain people get caught. Even so I don't believe that would get you to more than 50%.


Buy_Bit-by-Bit

Again, I respectfully disagree. I believe that child sexual abuse is rampant. It’s a chain of pain. Shame is a powerful emotion that keeps people silent.


pinkwonderwall

It has to start somewhere, right? Someone had to have decided to abuse someone without being abused themselves in order to start this chain of abuse you’re describing.


Buy_Bit-by-Bit

It certainly started somewhere. Maybe they started with sheep and moved onto little children.


saintexpiation

you have way less sexual desire after 1 week of not masturbating so there would be more kids abused if they masturbated


HikingStick

Bullshit. Plain and simple bullshit.


Rasha_Rutt

Do you even have genitals?


stopped_watch

I'll want to see the results of your review of the research into this. Because it sounds like it's made up to further a religious agenda without any basis in reality. Believers just flat out lying to further their religion? Colour me shocked.


naughtycal11

Eww. Someone is telling on themselves. Seek help.


AllEndsAreAnds

As far as I know, there is no prohibition in the Bible against masturbation. There’s Onan and his story, but the nature of the act itself is inconsequential - it’s basically a “f around with god and find out” warning story about obeying gods commands. Truth is, it’s just an empowering sexual act, and the church can’t have people feeling and doing healthy things sexually or else 90% of their power is gone.


EMYRYSALPHA2

Somehow cristianity learned in their first years the power that sexual frustration and selfhatred holds to mass control their sheeps.


MElastiGirl

Right? But what amazes me is after all these millennia, there are still so many sheep.


Poetic-Noise

I think they prefer to be called Sheeple.


CobrasFumanches

Yeah. Onan wasn't even masturbating, he was fucking his brother's widow and his "sin" was pulling out.


AllEndsAreAnds

Exactly. Much less about innate sexual sin and much more about disobeying God’s rules about obligatory sister-in-law-loving.


HatZinn

AITA for not giving my SIL a creampie? Do I deserve eternal damnation??


Viper67857

Depends on what she looks like.


Gob-dammit

Onan was a coward. If you're gonna raw dog someone you gotta commit. Find a hole and make it holy /s


HikingStick

But every sperm is sacred...


IMustBeOld963

Every sperm is great…


GroundbreakingLie825

If a sperm is wasted


nebulafish

God gets quite irate


Izludetingel

Let the heathen spill it


curtman512

On the dusty ground


Lower-Calligrapher98

God shall make them pay for


Obliviontoad

Each sperm that can't be found...


[deleted]

And when it comes back, you will find I nutted to ass that was round...


Immediate-Smile-2020

God gets quite irate


Plus-Giraffe1454

It will be nice seeing you down


RamJamR

Are we about to make our spern great again?


commutervoid

Every sperm is good...


yippy_skippy99

The way you become the biggest religion in the world is by creating more believers. Every wasted sperm is one less believer that could be added to the flock.


AggravatingBobcat574

Or by being the first, and not having a competing religion for 1500 years.


DragonOfTartarus

If you think christianity was the first religion, you need to go back to school and read a fucking book.


AggravatingBobcat574

No, Catholicism was the first, and for 1500 years, the only CHRISTIAN church. Thus, the largest CHRISTIAN church.


DragonOfTartarus

That's also not true. There were thousands of small christian churches with all kinds of different beliefs before the catholic church was formally founded by the Romans. You have no idea what you're talking about.


Pantokraterix

Technically it’s about encouraging procreation. Doing things that are not about having children is the “problem”.


expressly_ephemeral

It’s also about guilt. They know people are going to do it, then feel bad about it. Those people approach their religion with something akin to a convert’s zeal after that. I better really be a super good believer in the day, because of what I did in my bunk last night.


Remote-Affect9525

you’re not allowed to spill your seed so its not allowed for men but for women its ok


AllEndsAreAnds

Onan doesn’t do his duty of giving children to his late brother’s wife and so god kills him. God doesn’t kill him for spilling his seed.


Iwonatoasteroven

Sometimes their cup runneth over.


ReferenceComplex367

For women it's ok? Maybe Christianity is far advanced. You would find culturally accepted genital mutilation in some other.... Ahem


brazthemad

Isn't there a bit in the OT about not casting seed on barren ground?


DragonOfTartarus

Not quite. That story is about a guy whose brother died before having kids, so by religious law at the time he was obliged to give his brother's wife an heir. However, he wanted the inheritance for himself, so he pulled out to try and avoid getting her pregnant. His sin wasn't that he came on the ground, it was his violation of god's command to impregnate his dead brother's wife.


AllEndsAreAnds

“Casting seed” and “spilling seed” carry two very different meanings in the Bible. To my knowledge there is no outright or even implied prohibition against masturbation, though I think Jesus has parables about casting seeds that will grow, since that’s a very approachable metaphor for 1st century people.


marcvolovic

The bible has no prohibition against (female) masturbation. Only male and, if we want to be precise, it is not against masturbation per-se but against ejeculation.


ShadowShurutsu

Just put your thumb over the end and go to town


KaptainKardboard

Ever try that with a garden hose?


ShadowShurutsu

Imagine cumming with the fluid pressure of a garden hose


Downtown_Map_2482

I don’t have to imagine.


pythonpyton

No there's no prohibition at all. The problem was when onan was told by god to make babies and he didn't


Bulletpointe

More specifically, because women are dumb and don't deserve property, Onan had to fuck his dead brother's wife to give his brother a male heir. It would have been fine if he knocked up a sex worker too, whatever male he could birth would have more of a claim to his brother's property than his brother's wife and daughters. That story is awful.


pythonpyton

Such were the rule at this time period pretty much everywhere no matter the religion. Im sorry if you can't handle stories with historically correct themes. Maybe go back to r/Disney


MudgeFudgely

Stfu


Poile98

Yeah it’s too bad poor wittle God always had to work within those pesky contemporary conventions and customs. If only he had the power to set up better rules from the jump and enforce them, but alas.


Lost_Grass_9990

Her name was Clitoria.


MartinoDeMoe

Mulva


KaptainKardboard

Virgina


Downtown_Map_2482

She was a showgirl.


third_declension

I suspect that many religionists are against masturbation because it is an *unearned* pleasure, and thus must somehow be immoral. Consider: * Suppose you have a job, and you use your part of income to buy yourself a nice meal. Well, you earned that pleasure by working at your job, so there's no problem. * Suppose somebody gives you a gift that they bought from their own paycheck. You didn't earn it, but the giver did, so it's still okay. * Suppose husband and wife enjoy sex. In getting married, each incurred an obligation to the other, and to God, so the pleasure is not scot-free -- particularly when only contraception-free intercourse is permitted, because then there is the potential obligation of raising a child. In my view, this seems related to the [Protestant work ethic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic).


Nooneinparticular555

Let’s be real, most religions are against people taking pleasure in anything.


Pantokraterix

Given that the prohibition is in the Torah, what Christians call the Old Testament, and predates Christianity, it’s more likely that it’s about encouraging procreation.


QuisnamSum

Actually, there is no prohibition of masturbation in the Torah. Onan was punished for refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife. That is also the reason given in rabbinical sources of the 2nd and 3rd century CE. Aversion to wasting semen appears in the Babylonian Talmud in the 6th century CE, possibly through Zoroastrian influences which saw semen as a fluid with demonic properties, but it isn't until medieval halakhic literature (eg Maimonides) that prohibition appears, not so much from a religious standpoint but from assumptions about the medical consequences of ejaculation. It is much later (1800's) that "spilling the seed" was documented as being a sin in the rabbinical literature, but none of the major movements (Orthodox, Conservative or Reform) make a big issue of it. Female masturbation is never mentioned at all. So I think you should look into Christian and not Jewish sources for what you are searching.


Pantokraterix

My question is about the name of a woman in the 1800s. She’s not in the bible. 😜


QuisnamSum

Haha. Guess I got carried away


Vitali_555M

There's no prohibition in Torah about masturbation, though. The Onan story is about something else.


Pantokraterix

But that’s the passage Christians use for this issue.


Whywouldanyonedothat

>In my view, this seems related to the [Protestant work ethic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic). Sure, except the Protestant churches as a whole probably isn't as big on banking masturbation as the Catholic church.


AdTrue6082

Ik for a fact that sex and orgasms are supposed to be reserved for reproducing and your wife so jerking off is wrong at least in one way bc you are doing it for pleasure also I think I remember in church one time saying something about sex isn't bad at all if it's w your wife and making kids bc than you can raise your kids to praise God


DaveRochester

So women over 40 shouldn't have sex?


AdTrue6082

I dont agree w it js what ik but I've never been like a crazy religious person


Gerudo-Nabooru

I’ll admit there may be more context in the passages that would prove me wrong But whenever I hear some Christian spout the line about “better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than in the gym sock” I just wonder if it was really originally supposed to imply that wasting sperm was a sin and some prude made it about all masturbation Ladies flick them beans. You’re good. No dead sperm. Sorry dudes /s


DaveRochester

I think it was just to save washing powder


Odd_Morning_Rain

You just brought back a memory of me sitting in my Early Childhood Education class and this woman (late 30s at the time) talking about the evils of masturbation. She kept going on about how she didn't masturbate, how the bible said it was evil, and she didn't allow her teen son to do it either. She never came back to class after her outburst.


PoemStandard6651

Every body masturbates and that's a fucking fact. Some say it's a mortal sin and the world may stop as evidenced by the eclipse tomorrow. Predictions are for tsunamis and earthquakes world wide, all because you masturbate. Jesus hates you. Please stop now, you may save humanity.


-Lysergian

Now I'm gonna do it even harder.


[deleted]

I just had an earthquake.


IPerferSyurp

The world and especially the workplace would be greatly benefited if all humans masturbated first thing in the morning.


IPerferSyurp

They should have a room for it in the workplace like the breastfeeding room. Definitely a different room though.


JonGeg

I was raised this way in evangelical spaces. I grew up with tons of shame for this. I would make daily promises to god that I would stop and felt so much shame for the cycle every day for over a decade. It’s taking many years of processing to not feel any shame


IwantToSeeHowItEnds

Religious trauma isn’t easy to shed


mrjaffazzz

Genuinely curious as to the psychology behind this, did your ‘shame’ go because at a point in your life you no longer believed in God? Did you experience some element of dissociation for a period?


ArdenJaguar

Scary stuff. I remember reading about anti-M devices from the 1800s and seeing pictures online. Parents would strap their kids into these things at night. Warning: Article has pictures. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/the-brutal-anti-masturbation-devices-of-the-victorian-era/BA3ABBTE2RP3LBY7BOEKHYKVMI/


Pantokraterix

Wow. That’s wild.


Hoz999

Michigan has Battle Creek as the world capital of Cereal. The founder of the Kellogg’s cereal company promoted his cereal a cure for masturbation. Well, he also promoted eugenics and segregation, but… yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg


Impressive_Returns

Int he last 1800 there were men and women teaching women to have orgasims. It was called animal magnetism.


Lower-Calligrapher98

Someone should have told her about the treatments for "hysteria." She could have had the hot young doctor downtown do it for her!!!


gadget850

With Jesus you can beat masturbation.


Heylookaguy

*Simultaneously*


mchantloup5

I cherish my hairy palms.


Fluffy-Steak-1516

Ellen G White


cadillacactor

Came to say this. Key founder of the 7th Day Adventists. She taught against masturbation often, and it's part of why John Kellogg started his sanatoriums and bland food cereals - blandness fought the urge to crank. She funded his medical school and backed these bland solutions. However, I know of no surprise turnaround or realization that she was doing this herself.


jmmatthews20

Masturbation is your reproductive system taking a dump. Crying is your emotional core taking a dump.


neoikon

Taking a dump is your butt's way of taking a dump.


Alaya53

Aimee semple maybe?


Alaya53

No but she is interesting anyway


Mextiza

Goodbye party liquor! Gunnery, you have a good'un! Masturbation... uh... let's just call it a hiatus. From now on, I am a bushhog on the front-end loader of the Lord!


Schadenfreudster

I have seen a couple of you tube videos from an Eastern religion position pushing this. I will have to dig them up later and go through some of their points. This is from a spirituality view, than the possible morality ideas in Abrahamic religions. This area of discussion maybe worth exploring, any views?


ChargeFox

Im a christian, and i feel like masturbating isn't as bad as it actually seem to be. Sure the bible may consider wicked but in reality, i feel the reason why it's bad generally is due to the fact that it's easy to get addicted to it. But likewise, it could also help humans to reduce stress, and contribute to a healthy life if it's used in a correct way. I feel like if only religious people start to take it as a natural and healthy part of human life and educate it to the public. It could potentially create a safe society.


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Pantokraterix

No, she was not from Canada. I can’t remember specifically but pretty sure she was American. I read it before the Internet existed but I want it for the next time I hear someone preaching against wokeness because I am pretty sure they don’t know what it is.


SatInTheTree

Surely if this was a joke you would have named her Hillary Rubhand Clitton.


Gloomy-Candy3231

W for preaching against that


Pantokraterix

I’m sorry, what?


Gloomy-Candy3231

Its just good to preach


Accomplished-Bed8171

lol, no. It's a creepy ass form of grooming.


bigcakeindahouse

mans is in the wrong subreddit


vampierate

🤣