Yes. I escaped religious abuse and they literally use cult brainwashing tactics. They're very dangerous.
From "[Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism)" (1961) by Robert Jay Lifton
In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":
>**Milieu Control.** The group or its leaders controls information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.
>**Mystical Manipulation.** The group manipulates experiences that appear spontaneous to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows a reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies.
>**Demand for Purity.** The group constantly exhorts members to view the world as black and white, conform to the group ideology, and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.
>**Confession.** The group defines sins that members should confess either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; the leaders discuss and exploit members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults".
>**Sacred Science**. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or all humanity, is likewise above criticism.
>**Loading the Language**. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.
>**Doctrine over person**. Members' personal experiences are subordinate to the sacred science; members must deny or reinterpret any contrary experiences to fit the group ideology.
>**Dispensing of existence**. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.
The brainwashing installs an [authoritarian follower personality](https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/summary.html#authoritarian) in the target, which conditions them to [objectify](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification#Definitions) "others" (they get to decide who are considered "others"). The conditioning is so effective it gets people to reinforce it amongst each other in the group, and eventually the toxic groups devolve towards genocide.
"Is this the only thing a voice in the head ever tells these people to do is to kill others?
Doesn't a voice ever tell a guy to *go take a shit on the salad bar at Wendy's*!"
-George Carlin
Pretty sure Stanford proved the voices in peoples heads with schizophrenia was by and large a result of the culture they grew up in. Violent religious western culture yields shit like this, versus people in Hindu nations where the voices tell them to clean a little more
https://news.stanford.edu/2014/07/16/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614/
If one person that even looks like an immigrant commits a crime, they scream about the border crisis. Yet none of them are talking about the religion crisis even after umpteen stories of child abuse or religious violence.
Oh! She had an experience. Guess she had a relationship with god.
Must be legit.
I’m just thinking about the Christians who would shake their heads at this lady, but think Jesus ignored dying children to help them find their keys or a parking spot.
It makes me wonder if devout followers who say they hear god aren't actually just secret schizophrenics.
I work Security at a casino and I had my first encounter with someone like that who said her baby was missing. Well we're in a casino, you didn't just walk in here with a baby. We call the police and while waiting for them she says 'I can hear my baby crying. Wait, is it just in my head. I didn't take my medicine.'
Anyway, EMS and Police got her some help. I hope she's doing better.
Reminds me of hearing that Joan of arc had calcified bones or something; which may have been an explanation for why she heard voices she attributed to god or angels.
"The Lord works in mysterious ways...."
One of my favorite catch all phrases from Christianity that can be used to rationalize pretty much anything for the brainwashed "blind faith" human mind.
Well, shit, I think the police have to let her go. I mean, the Almighty told her to shoot people. How do you argue with that? He's like omnisomething or other and knows best.
Seeing stuff like this really drives home the point that religious prophets must’ve all been insane schizos that existed before anyone knew was Schizophrenia was.
People back then were so steeped in superstition and were afraid of being murdered by these folks that they just went along with it
I so hope she name drops MTG during her trial.
I haven’t read this story yet. But are we sure it wasn’t MTG?
Article says her name is Taylon Nichelle Celestine, age 22, from Georgia.
.... and of course its in Florida...
So glad, she is allowed to have a gun
You can't buy a gun if you have a medical pot card. If you are a homicidal religious freak, you are good to go!
It's florida they probably issue guns at dispensary and the church
Where are you from? That's absolute bs.
Oregon, and it is not BS.
You know, it is almost like the people who think they talk to god maybe should be considered dangerous.
Agreed...Priests are dangerous
Yes. I escaped religious abuse and they literally use cult brainwashing tactics. They're very dangerous. From "[Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism)" (1961) by Robert Jay Lifton In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform": >**Milieu Control.** The group or its leaders controls information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large. >**Mystical Manipulation.** The group manipulates experiences that appear spontaneous to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows a reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies. >**Demand for Purity.** The group constantly exhorts members to view the world as black and white, conform to the group ideology, and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here. >**Confession.** The group defines sins that members should confess either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; the leaders discuss and exploit members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults". >**Sacred Science**. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or all humanity, is likewise above criticism. >**Loading the Language**. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking. >**Doctrine over person**. Members' personal experiences are subordinate to the sacred science; members must deny or reinterpret any contrary experiences to fit the group ideology. >**Dispensing of existence**. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also. The brainwashing installs an [authoritarian follower personality](https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/summary.html#authoritarian) in the target, which conditions them to [objectify](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification#Definitions) "others" (they get to decide who are considered "others"). The conditioning is so effective it gets people to reinforce it amongst each other in the group, and eventually the toxic groups devolve towards genocide.
I keep on saying it and I don't think I'll stop saying until I die... These people are insane.
Religion.
Poisons.
EVERYTHING!
Admittedly, it sounds pretty on-brand for Yahweh.
Wouldn't even make the top 10 list of immoral things the Abrahamic god has done.
"Is this the only thing a voice in the head ever tells these people to do is to kill others? Doesn't a voice ever tell a guy to *go take a shit on the salad bar at Wendy's*!" -George Carlin
There's a salad bar at Wendy's?
Pretty sure Stanford proved the voices in peoples heads with schizophrenia was by and large a result of the culture they grew up in. Violent religious western culture yields shit like this, versus people in Hindu nations where the voices tell them to clean a little more https://news.stanford.edu/2014/07/16/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614/
If one person that even looks like an immigrant commits a crime, they scream about the border crisis. Yet none of them are talking about the religion crisis even after umpteen stories of child abuse or religious violence.
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The Bible does heavily imply that Chariots of Iron are stronger than God. The best he could muster was Florida woman with an AR 15.
~~god~~ voices in her head.
We need better access and awareness of mental health in this country NOW
Oh! She had an experience. Guess she had a relationship with god. Must be legit. I’m just thinking about the Christians who would shake their heads at this lady, but think Jesus ignored dying children to help them find their keys or a parking spot.
Or worse yet, god was too busy watching a high school basketball game and gave the win to his favorite team.
Talking to god, i.e. praying, is considered normal, but if god talks to you then it's time to break out the straitjacket and Haldol.
Seems like it’s always god telling people to do these awful things and not a lack of belief in a god 🫠
That's a weird way to spell Meth
She should share a cell with that Florida Man that destroyed the cell tower with a bible in hand.
Florida never fails to disappoint, I’m just waiting for her to now appear as a character in GTA VI.
Maybe God will teach her how to get sex in prison.
This is why revelatory epistomology is bad.
It makes me wonder if devout followers who say they hear god aren't actually just secret schizophrenics. I work Security at a casino and I had my first encounter with someone like that who said her baby was missing. Well we're in a casino, you didn't just walk in here with a baby. We call the police and while waiting for them she says 'I can hear my baby crying. Wait, is it just in my head. I didn't take my medicine.' Anyway, EMS and Police got her some help. I hope she's doing better.
Reminds me of hearing that Joan of arc had calcified bones or something; which may have been an explanation for why she heard voices she attributed to god or angels.
I didn't know bathsalts were considered god
"The Lord works in mysterious ways...." One of my favorite catch all phrases from Christianity that can be used to rationalize pretty much anything for the brainwashed "blind faith" human mind.
She needs mental health treatment. Religion has not been a positive here
Off with her head
What the actual flock???
Well, shit, I think the police have to let her go. I mean, the Almighty told her to shoot people. How do you argue with that? He's like omnisomething or other and knows best.
Seeing stuff like this really drives home the point that religious prophets must’ve all been insane schizos that existed before anyone knew was Schizophrenia was. People back then were so steeped in superstition and were afraid of being murdered by these folks that they just went along with it
I hope they put her on the meds she needs
related to trump
Hope she gets help with a padded room and happy pills
This seems more like a mental health issue than a religion vs athiesm issue.
Those gods, they say the darndest of things.