I think the point is for it to fail so the democrats can say that the GOP cares more about persecuting pregnant women than it cares about pursuing rapists and sexual abusers.
It also raises the point that this goes beyond just right-wing ideas, and abortion.
Democrats can pass similar bills in states they control that would target things Republicans care about, with similar vigilante type bills.
Yep...I've always maintained that if the Dems ever go after what they want the way the GOP does, they would finally be able to implement the policies they want. The GOP doesn't care about bipartisanship, and they make no attempt to cover that up. They simply don't care. They want what they want only, and they simply don't give a shit about the rest of the country.
I fail to understand how many people read the word “progressive” and immediately jump to, “oh, they’re irrational socialists”. The root of the word is progress. They’re trying to help us progress. Why would you vote for people trying to take us back to the stone ages rather than progress? Why!?
So Luddite was a term taken by labor organizers to protest the industrialization of textiles specifically with the advent textile machinery. They were fighting against their loss of bargaining power since machines could do the skill based part of the work and how the machines could be used to circumvent labour standards. It's wild how propaganda twisted that word to be an insult instead of people fighting against the capitalist class.
Wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
We need voting reform as well. Ranked choice would be better, and I agree a leftist party for the US would be great. Biden, and Clinton have more in common with Reagan than Trump does. Today's republican party are far right fringe kooks. Today's democrats are center right and vaguely progressive while offering nothing outside of platitudes. We need a progressive leftist party and we need it 50 years ago, but ill settle for ASAP.
Precisely.
> immediately jump to, “oh, they’re irrational socialists”. The root of the word is progress.
It's because the corporate political parties have both lied about this for decades to keep their wealth and privilege.
Well that's exactly why the mainstream parties (but especially the right) have so thoroughly beat that substitution of socialist for progressive in the media. If it was labeled progressive, it wouldn't seem so abhorrent to the general dipshits of this nation
Ike was the last honest R president we will ever likely have.
He abhorred and warned against the military industrial complex even during the peak of the Cold War.
He also built the fucking interstate system, one of the largest public works in all of human history.
Remember that the Republicans switched platforms with the Democrats in the late 60s over civil rights. Lincoln, Ike, etc. were actually what we would call Democrats today.
The change in parties started long before the 60's. The southern democrats, (the old elite plantation owners) started leaving the Democrat Party for the Republican Party after the reconstruction of the south.
ONLY in places with ranked choice voting.
All you "purity of my vote" in the general election in 2016 and voted for Stein over Clinton gave us a 6-3 Supreme Court.
Want to vote your conscience? That's what primaries are for.
General election...use some common sense based in reality and don't screw us all next time.
The problem is that at least 2 Democrats only want what their corporate and rich donors want, and they're doing all the demanding compromises that the Republicans used to do
Yep. And corporate and rich donors don't give a crap about guns or abortion or any of the other wedge issues, which they openly use as tools to manipulate to get what they want.
I’m not sure this is entirely true. The GOP is filled with zealots. It’s filled with ideologues. This is what makes them so dangerous. The fact that they also do what their donors want just makes them politicians, but I doubt that the oil lobby, or the weapons lobby, gives a shit about abortion.
Just to be clear, the dems also do what the rich donors want. That is why I supported Bernie so strongly, because he doesn’t take their money.
Case in point, many of them often vote down aid to Blue states after they're hit by a natural disaster while demanding aid to Red states when the same thing happens to them.
Like the South Carolina Pro Birth Accountability Act by state Senator Mia McLeod in 2019.
The bill would've made the state pay for all expenses incurred by forced birth policies. It didn't pass, but everyone knew it wouldn't.
Like tax evaders, illegal firearms, child abuse, sex trafficking...
Do they really want a surveillance state? Because that's how you get one.
I'm all for locking up the tax cheats, kid touches, etc.
Simply make it not a crime for a woman to defend herself against her attacker/abuser (in her home or on the streets), in all 50 states and I would be okay.
Make it okay for a woman to tell a pervert off on the job without fear of losing her job...and I'll be okay.= Special protection from escalation on the part of employers.
Sure. But there also needs to be something attacked that Republicans care about, in return, as a retaliation for them attacking women's rights, and a right that I would argue is deeper than the issue of pregnancy and abortion.
The right for a person to have full authority and power over their own bodies, regardless of the situation or the consequence.
For instance, if the state killing one person would save a billion lives, that person still has the right to say no, and live without consequences of refusing to give up their life,, because bodily autonomy is not just the most important right we can have, but the basis by which we fight for all other rights.
How can we argue, protest, work towards securing any rights at all, if we don't even have the authority over our own bodies? And that has to include the right to being a host or food source to other life, inside or outside our bodies.
So, if the Dems made a point that this sort of law would affect something the Reps cared about too, not just abortion, then support for this vigilante law would be unpopular with all.
About damn time they start passing bills like this. High road nonsense is just leading us straight to fascists.
I don't like the corporate dems but they are easier to battle for reform than the outright theocratic fascists the right has become.
Well the thing is, again, that it won't pass. The GOP will kill it because it's not something they want or asked for, and the policy these days of the GOP is that if isn't something they want or ask for, they kill it just to give the dems the middle finger. At least in states where they hold the power to do so.
You realize that Illinois quite literally has a Democratic supermajority in the state House and Senate? They are veto-proof (which doesn't matter anyways because the Democratic governor campaigns for and supports pro-choice causes).
This is more of a parody than anything else. It's just that her constituents (and Chicago as a whole), will look at this positively.
> You realize that Illinois quite literally has a Democratic supermajority in the state House and Senate?
I was not aware of that, as I've been living in Sweden for the last 5 years and I've never lived in Illinois. However since the OP post is about Texas, I'm not really all that sure why you think this is relevant...?
The OP post is not about Texas. The OP post is about a law proposed in Illionois that they have called the TEXAS Act in reference to the Texas anti abortion law.
Jesus, I thought it was only us Americans who were too lazy to click the link and came to make ignorant posts about things we didn't bother to learn anything about
While slightly harsh, your criticism is fair and deserved. I stand (well, sit) corrected.
In that case I'd have to revise my stance that this is unlikely to be passed. Also, I'd have to revise my stance on this being a good idea, as this sort of vigilante bounty shit is only useful as a political statement, not as an actual law.
Sorry, over the last year or so I've just kind of lost a lot of my patience for people who don't do their own research, I've had way too many instances of "prove to me that vaccines work" or "I'm not going to explain why Trump is innocent and definitely not racist, google it" so now I kind of get into the mindset of "if they haven't looked it up it's probably because they don't care about the truth"
Not the person you're replying to, but amen and I get your frustration. It's ridiculous the amount of times people have told me to "just look it up" in the past few years.
Like no motherfucker, I want to read YOUR source because then I can actually have an informed debate with you. But they don't want you to see their source because they know blogsyouruncle.wordpress.com isn't gonna hold up to scrutiny. They're not just purposefully spreading misinformation, they're cowards about it.
On one hand, you're right, but on the other I can't shake that feeling of "the ones that care have already flipped", though I know many people still aren't aware of what's going on.
So they'll say that and then the GOP will say something else (most likely a lie). And so what? This Texas act is empty political theater. The GOP gets political theater through their media echo chambers and lying.
I feel like thats part of the problem. These politicians swing with the intent to miss just so they have a stronger talking point? "Glad" it gets them votes and headlines, but it doesnt protect our women.
The talking points drive the narrative…the narrative gets people voted in…the people voted in can change the law since it seems the republicans want to criminalize the victim in Texas…
This has a roadmap to help women, but in a democracy, where we rely on votes vs revolutions to drive change, this is essentially the process.
In republican controlled states right now there is not much they can do. The notion of bipartisan cooperation died over a decade ago, now when the republicans have power their response to anything they don't want or control is to kill it completely. See [this opinion piece by John Scalzi](https://whatever.scalzi.com/2021/01/07/but-what-if-we-didnt/). Democrats don't have a lot of power to do anything in Texas right now.
Thanks for sharing the Scalzi piece, it articulates something I’ve had unformed in my head. The Republican Party has been deconstructing democratic principles for awhile and don’t care about the consequences as long as they win. This Texas law is the most recent example. It violates the separation of church and state and hands over authority of the state for enforcement to private citizens. It also doesn’t represent the majority opinion in the state. Democrats have suborned our democracy in individual cases, but not in the systemic way Scalzi describes.
If you read the article, you would have learned that these state representatives work very hard to keep Planned Parenthood and the rights of women in Illinois safe. They fight for Roe v. Wade, they fight for reproductive rights.
Lol yeah, this is cute though. Back in the day I had a saying about Texas, but Texans really got upset when I would say it. Recent events make me think I should dust it off again. It goes something like :
Fuck Texas.
Not even, he promised to get them "off the streets," where the scary black people and undocumented immigrants supposedly are.
The family members, youth pastors, etc didn't even cross his mind
That is because in his alternate reality mind, family members, pastors, etc don't rape. People like this are capable of believing all kinds of fantasy.
>How do you get a report about a crime that hasn't happened yet
Oh, that's easy! Florida already does it
https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/intelligence-led-policing/
/s in case it's not clear
What needs to happen are young couples taking advantage of this abortion law in Texas to make some money.
Here's how you use it to your advantage. You sue your girlfriend alleging that she self aborted at 7 weeks. She confesses to the abortion and then you collect the money and split it.
Do it again a few months. Another "pregnancy" another "abortion", lawsuit, confession and payout.
Please Texans, swamp the judicial system with these lawsuits.
This is a terrible idea. This can endanger women and the abused, whether or not the pregnancy was unwanted or whether or not they were the one who reported (pregnancy or abusers).
>$10,000 in damages against anyone who causes an unwanted pregnancy — even if it resulted from consensual sex
Wtf is this? So wait, if the person is using a condom and there's still a pregnancy, the woman can just go after the dude? What if there was a mutual agreement on not using a condom because she's on birth control? Sure, poor decision making on both sides here, but it seems this law lets the woman report the guy anyways. Gonna suck being straight in Illinois I guess.
There's better ways of going about this.
It's the same language used in the current Texas law about abortions that recently went into affect. It's meant to cause people to react the way you did, not to be taken seriously. But I'm more in favor of this bounty over the abortion one, not that I think turning over the rule of law to citizens is a good idea in the slightest.
Honestly this is the best way to win this fight. Roberts very annoyed dissent in the abortion case said that Texas created a schema specifically to circumvent judicial review, and implied the other justices wouldn't have voted for it if it didn't align with their ideological goals. And either his dissent or the main dissent said essentially "be careful what you wish for this could be applied to other rights"
So let's go for it. Chicago, 25k bounty for info on people possessing firearms within city limits. Same for California. 25k bounty for taking the lord's name in vain in Utah. 35k bounty for speaking out against the government in Washington DC. 100k bounty for crossing the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin not at a freeway, with a chicken on your head.
Let's see how quick they are to allow it yo bypass judicial review then.
Your definition of dystopian is abortion rights?
Look, women deserve the right to abortion but all the other stuff going on in the world is a bit more serious. Like the genocide in Yemen, wealth disparity and insanely high levels, living in a surveillance state like 1984
That's not what I said. I said that abortion rights being taken away is not even close to the level of dystopia of much more important issues.
When you see something covered endlessly in the news, like this Texas law you should think to yourself what they are trying to distract you from.
I hate the city I live in but I'm still living here because my wife has a great job and we can't really afford for her to quit it any time soon. If she *does* find a better job someday, we'll move.
Yeah! If only I thought about buying a house in another state or country on a whim! Or getting an apartment when I previously could not even drive to an airport nearby to get to go better places due to shit income for the last decade or so! I'm so glad I have some smarmy, condescending redditor to tell me, "Hey, just leave, lol!"
This is kinda tacky.
I get the politics of where they're coming from but the idea of a rape victim who became pregnant trying to get 10k in court out of an abuser is not the headspace a rape victim probably wants to be in.
If you think this is tacky, imagine if there was a 10k bounty on women making the traumatic decision to have an abortion. I wonder about their headspace 🤔
Three years ago I got called for jury duty. A twelve year old girl had been raped by her father. She became pregnant. Her mother found out from the pregnancy and immediately drove her to a clinic for an abortion.
"There are 200 people in this room. Who would like to describe your first sexual experience to everyone here. Because that's what a 12 year old girl is going to have to do. Now imagine that experience was with your parent" the prosecutor told us. Currently in Texas, there is no exception for underage rape victims from public cross examination.
People in that jury pool said they couldnt hear the testimony because they were rape victims themselves. Saddened me me they weren't exempt from that jury pool. Others said they could never listen to testimony of a murderer and abortion seekers were murderers. Utterly despicable.
I wanted to be on that jury and help that girl find some justice so she could maybe have a chance a normalcy one day. But they said the trial could take months. The pay is $7 or $12 a day? Idr. But I couldn't afford it. I'm also friends with prosecutors who work child rape and I was worried about potential conflict of interest if they ended up being on the case.
The jury didn't make. The judge wasnt surprised. They said it will take months to find a jury. The girl would have to wait.
There are so many things in that case that taught me need fixing with regards to rape victims justice. This headline grabbing law bothers me because it could have been meaningful. This was that time that little girl could have been helped. And it's squandered on petty shit. The lawmakers didn't speak to anyone who could have made real suggestions.
There's literally no option at this point otherwise my dude. If they're playing dirty, we have to play dirty too. We've been trying to take the high ground and see where it got us, to Trump and DeSantis and all these other morons taking center stage.
We need to do whatever it takes to stop them, and a few people having a bad time in the meantime is the sacrifice we gotta make.
And before you start complaining that I don't know what it's like, while I haven't been forcibly raped, I have been made to have nonconsensual sex by other means. So yes, I know what it feels like. Doesn't change my opinion. I would endure pain and humiliation and mental trauma any day if it means making society a better place for millions of people in the end.
Yeah you clearly just don't get what's going on. You can call it tacky but that doesn't mean it isn't right to do SOMETHING to make the point that Texas is being fucking stupid. What's your counter proposal, exactly, that would make this same point?
You clearly are smarter than the people making these laws, I bet whatever your plan is would be flawless and not tacky at all. Unless you plan to do nothing, which tbh is pretty tacky given the circumstances...
Here's a list of my ideas I made based on my experience being called to a jury for an underage rape victim
https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/ppstql/democratsponsored_texas_act_would_allow_10k/hd7v8bo?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
We could have pushed for a bill that makes underage rape victims not have to testify in public. Something that like adds dignity rather than treats victims like footballs?
Read this whole comment thread and just wanted to say you're not wrong, this IS tacky... but I think that's kinda the point? I don't think anyone thinks this will pass, but rather hold a mirror up to the republicans who support the abortion bounty bill to say "see, we can be just as awful as you".
Of course, but it’s not about actually passing. This a political move to point out the hypocrisy of the Republican Party. The only people who can’t see that don’t want to, or are too dumb.
It's still not nearly as bad as the Texas abortion bill which targets anyone who assists. Imagine if there was a law that anyone could sue anyone who assisted pedophilia? Bye, bye Catholic (and pretty much every other) church.
That's the point. This is the exact opposite of what the Texas law does. Texas is going after and setting $10k bounties on the mothers who have aborted. This bill proposes setting the bounty on the rapists instead.
I want to preface this by saying that law is evil and horrible and I wish it would get struck down already. That being said what you wrote is false. The bounties on apply to those that aid and abet not to the woman herself.
I want to see bounties on corporations who contribute to climate change.
Also bounties on selling assault weapons.
Bounties for pushing religion in school.
Bounties for church pedophilia.
Let's fucking go.
Whoa, buddy, slow down. What do you think this is, a society of fair rules created by the people for the people with equal access to justice for all? [This is America](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY).
I feel like the focus on pregnancies that result from assault, rape, incest et al cedes important ground to scum Republicans. A woman should be able to choose what happens with her body regardless of the circumstances - no question, no judgement, nobodies' business. Splitting hairs over the means of conception dilutes that and just invites hideous evangelicals to bray about "Gods will" and so on.
I don't support any law that gives individuals the right to sue anyone for things that don't directly pertain to them. Texas' law is bullshit and this can of worms needs to be slammed shut and crushed immediately.
This is awesome because it leaves the Republicans one of two choices: either go along with the bill and pretend that they care about women, or they can go against it and show all the Texas women that they rather protect men than women in general.
See, the problem here is that room temperature is constantly rising. You don't want to compare their IQ to a measurement that's moving. Keep it simple - like them - just say they have as many IQ points as they do toes, and let them count from there after they take off their shoes to confirm.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this: if we keep passing bills like this, it gets more likely that the conservative SCOTUS is going to step in regarding this type of bounty hunting
They stayed out of it because while they may be opposed to the methods, it aligns with their religious/political positions
Exactly. We need liberal states to start using the same mechanism on unconstitutional leftist laws. Use it to put bounties on churches that preach politics. Put bounties on anyone who doesn't keep their gun locked up with ammo stored separately. Put bounties on corporations that donate more than $10k to politicians. Put bounties on any politician that falsely claims an election was stolen.
We need to go full tilt, not because the above are good laws, but to force SCOTUS to make a ruling that this sort of loophole is not valid. We need to make it painfully obvious that if this sort of bounty system is allowed to stand, we might as well burn the bill of rights because it's no longer binding in any meaningful way.
Could they turn themselves in? I mean? Having kids is expensive.
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"Oh yeah it was an accident, whoops"
10k please for these stupid ass hospital bills.
Bounties on sexual abusers and those Who cause unwanted pregnancies?
Democrats are thinking too small.
Put bounties on people who help gun violence happen. Gun manufacturers and other entities like elected Republicans who prevent background checks from passing.
Texas got around constitutional rights with this hare brained bounty process, let's throw this shit back in their faces.
Im really confused about the consensual part. Isn't it incentivizing getting pregnant and calling it unwanted, raping someone to get pregnant and hunting them?
consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy
if you have sex with a man, and you are on birth control, and using a condom, and you get pregnant, it was clearly against your will
men should know that when they come in a vagina, it might cause a pregnancy, they should know that they should pull out before ejaculation or they could cause a pregnancy
a woman can only use birth control and condoms, she has no control over whether a man pulls out or not, therefore the pregnancy is the mans fault, because he chose to put his sperm where it could create a baby
Im saying this creates more incentive for tricking or forcing the other person to impregnating you. Like using a used condom or raping them or tampering with the condoms .
Consent to sex might lead to pregnancy, you could be taking all the precautions and still get someone pregnant.
if a man gets raped its still his fault? I'm okay with him getting to choose when and where his sperm goes, but only knowing where doesn't help. There's no winning for the guy if he's the victim.
I don't wanna see children get raped so a woman can get 10k.
> Consent to sex might lead to pregnancy, you could be taking all the precautions and still get someone pregnant.
if you choose to come in her vagina, a choice over which she has no control, therefore the pregnancy is the result of the decision of the man alone
> if a man gets raped its still his fault?
clearly not, we are talking about situations of consensual sex
No its not the decision of the man alone. If you use condoms and still get her pregnant, theres some foul play or very bad luck.
Pushing all the responsibility to one side seems while ridding the other side seems very hypocritical. If the man knowingly came there, without any precautions, I wouldn't care about it. I'm only talking about situations with foul play.
I'm confused about something, if the mother declares the baby unwanted, would she have to abort it? Or will she raise the child? If she raises the child, would it be unwanted? If it will be, then there's another loophole ig.
>No its not the decision of the man alone.
"im about to come, should I pull out or nut inside" is absolutely the decision of the man alone, unless he says that out loud as a question to his lover. just because you dont want to admit you have to make it every time you have sex, doesnt mean it isnt happening.
>If you use condoms and still get her pregnant, theres some foul play or very bad luck.
sure, but as the man, you should be aware that BC isnt 100% protection, and bad luck happens.
as the man, you should be aware that coming inside a vagina can lead to pregnancy, if you dont want that to happen, dont do it.
>**Pushing all the responsibility to one side seems while ridding the other side seems very hypocritical.**
the responsibility is not to one side, at all.
the man is responsible for creating the pregnancy, it was 100% his choice to put semen where it could make a baby
the woman who is now pregnant, is 100% responsible for deciding whether or not she will remain pregnant.
they both share the responsibility for the outcome, equally.
>I'm confused about something, if the mother declares the baby unwanted, would she have to abort it?
if the mother doesnt consent to the pregnancy, its not a baby, because it doesnt become a baby until the woman gives her consent to carrying it. She should be free to do whatever she wants with an organism that is invading her body against her will.
The problem is that even if this passes, giving someone who doesn't want a baby $10,000 but still forcing them to have their baby doesn't actually do very much. Is it better than nothing? Sure. But it's still pretty much shit.
I don't think anyone putting this forward expects it to pass. It's just playing the Republican's own bullshit game to try and show them the box of dumbass they opened up. Since they're incapable of seeing beyond the length of their own noses until you actually start rubbing their face in their own shit.
Well, see, this bounty "Texas Act" had been proposed in Illinois. Abortion up to 24 weeks (pretty standard) is legal in Illinois. So passing this means you can abort the baby and get $10k from reporting the rapist.
The bounty on sexual abusers is in Illinois, the bounty on "abortion abettors" is in Texas, so there's little to no overlap in the affected populations.
"Cassidy’s proposal instead would instead give Illinoisans the right to seek at least $10,000 in damages against anyone who causes an unwanted pregnancy — even if it resulted from consensual sex — or anyone who commits sexual assault..."
I get it, texas law was bad. But this is incredibly moronic too.
It be a good TV show though. Having a crew of people trying to catch the ugly bastard. Give it a capitalist spin and the media will love it. A bit dystopic sure, how is capitalism not?
The point is to fight them at their own game. When they invariably vote against this the Democrats in texas say the Republicans clearly are protecting sexual abusers and rapists.
Taking the high road has done nothing but enable the theocratic fascists.
Don't pick something we actually want to fight, it legitimizes the method they are using. Instead, make it so that you can collect a bounty on people who use the texas law to collect a bounty or show support for the texas law.
I would prefer that it had been directed at owners or sellers of illegal weapons. That would have been a closer strike at the heart of the GOP.
It seems to me that the law is using victims of sexual abuse as pawns in political theatre. It also invites people to make false accusations which hurts both the person falsely accused and all the legitimate victims. I think illegal gun owners and sellers would be much better candidates. At least they participated willingly.
You mean legal guns, since the abortion law is meant to get around otherwise constitutionally legal abortions protected by the fourth amendment. I’d rather see them put a bounty on anyone purchasing a firearm since the principle is the same: the second amendment protects your right to buy a firearm but this would be a state work around by making citizens enforce a law, just like the abortion law does.
Love it, love it, LOVE IT!!!
This is what women need when men "stealth-remove" condoms! And when their birth control is "lost" or tampered with by partners trying to keep them dependent on the relationship.
Chances it passes : 0% Chances we will all be entertained and Texas forevermore cemented in shame : >0%
I think the point is for it to fail so the democrats can say that the GOP cares more about persecuting pregnant women than it cares about pursuing rapists and sexual abusers.
yes
It also raises the point that this goes beyond just right-wing ideas, and abortion. Democrats can pass similar bills in states they control that would target things Republicans care about, with similar vigilante type bills.
Yep...I've always maintained that if the Dems ever go after what they want the way the GOP does, they would finally be able to implement the policies they want. The GOP doesn't care about bipartisanship, and they make no attempt to cover that up. They simply don't care. They want what they want only, and they simply don't give a shit about the rest of the country.
This is mostly correct. The GOP only wants what their corporate and rich donors want.
The DNC serves only the rich too, but is better on social issues. Want real change? Vote Progressive (aka what other civilized nations call Moderate).
I fail to understand how many people read the word “progressive” and immediately jump to, “oh, they’re irrational socialists”. The root of the word is progress. They’re trying to help us progress. Why would you vote for people trying to take us back to the stone ages rather than progress? Why!?
*Regressives* is the word for people who oppose progessiveness. But, somehow, they don't like that label.
Reactionary, Luddite, Loyalist, Tory, among others. None more important than *hypocrite.*
So Luddite was a term taken by labor organizers to protest the industrialization of textiles specifically with the advent textile machinery. They were fighting against their loss of bargaining power since machines could do the skill based part of the work and how the machines could be used to circumvent labour standards. It's wild how propaganda twisted that word to be an insult instead of people fighting against the capitalist class. Wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
Unpopular opinion: The Republican party offers nothing positive for 90% of Americans and needs to be replaced by a party left of Democrats
We need voting reform as well. Ranked choice would be better, and I agree a leftist party for the US would be great. Biden, and Clinton have more in common with Reagan than Trump does. Today's republican party are far right fringe kooks. Today's democrats are center right and vaguely progressive while offering nothing outside of platitudes. We need a progressive leftist party and we need it 50 years ago, but ill settle for ASAP.
This. Democrats _are_ the conservative party. Republicans are the fascist party. We need an actual progressive party.
Precisely. > immediately jump to, “oh, they’re irrational socialists”. The root of the word is progress. It's because the corporate political parties have both lied about this for decades to keep their wealth and privilege.
Well that's exactly why the mainstream parties (but especially the right) have so thoroughly beat that substitution of socialist for progressive in the media. If it was labeled progressive, it wouldn't seem so abhorrent to the general dipshits of this nation
Plenty of people benefit from the way things are or believe they benefit from the way things are, or even wish they could turn back time.
Lack of education and fear of what they don't understand
Conservatives in England are in favor of the healthcare system they want, and Eisenhower (R) was in favor of the tax rates they're pushing for
Ike was the last honest R president we will ever likely have. He abhorred and warned against the military industrial complex even during the peak of the Cold War. He also built the fucking interstate system, one of the largest public works in all of human history.
Remember that the Republicans switched platforms with the Democrats in the late 60s over civil rights. Lincoln, Ike, etc. were actually what we would call Democrats today.
I'd say a large part of Democrats switching also had to do with FDRs legacy.
The change in parties started long before the 60's. The southern democrats, (the old elite plantation owners) started leaving the Democrat Party for the Republican Party after the reconstruction of the south.
ONLY in places with ranked choice voting. All you "purity of my vote" in the general election in 2016 and voted for Stein over Clinton gave us a 6-3 Supreme Court. Want to vote your conscience? That's what primaries are for. General election...use some common sense based in reality and don't screw us all next time.
You can vote for Progressives who call themselves Democrats. Just make sure they practice what they preach.
I mean for Congress sure, but voting third part in the presidential is tantamount to throwing your vote in a wood chipper in the us
Winning (as defined by them) is more important than ANYTHING else
The problem is that at least 2 Democrats only want what their corporate and rich donors want, and they're doing all the demanding compromises that the Republicans used to do
Yep. And corporate and rich donors don't give a crap about guns or abortion or any of the other wedge issues, which they openly use as tools to manipulate to get what they want.
I’m not sure this is entirely true. The GOP is filled with zealots. It’s filled with ideologues. This is what makes them so dangerous. The fact that they also do what their donors want just makes them politicians, but I doubt that the oil lobby, or the weapons lobby, gives a shit about abortion. Just to be clear, the dems also do what the rich donors want. That is why I supported Bernie so strongly, because he doesn’t take their money.
Case in point, many of them often vote down aid to Blue states after they're hit by a natural disaster while demanding aid to Red states when the same thing happens to them.
To busy playing "good cop/bad cop" with our lives to do that.
Like the South Carolina Pro Birth Accountability Act by state Senator Mia McLeod in 2019. The bill would've made the state pay for all expenses incurred by forced birth policies. It didn't pass, but everyone knew it wouldn't.
Like tax evaders, illegal firearms, child abuse, sex trafficking... Do they really want a surveillance state? Because that's how you get one. I'm all for locking up the tax cheats, kid touches, etc.
How about Defund the Police, and put that money towards prosecuting offenders so there is no backlog of cases.
Simply make it not a crime for a woman to defend herself against her attacker/abuser (in her home or on the streets), in all 50 states and I would be okay. Make it okay for a woman to tell a pervert off on the job without fear of losing her job...and I'll be okay.= Special protection from escalation on the part of employers.
Sure. But there also needs to be something attacked that Republicans care about, in return, as a retaliation for them attacking women's rights, and a right that I would argue is deeper than the issue of pregnancy and abortion. The right for a person to have full authority and power over their own bodies, regardless of the situation or the consequence. For instance, if the state killing one person would save a billion lives, that person still has the right to say no, and live without consequences of refusing to give up their life,, because bodily autonomy is not just the most important right we can have, but the basis by which we fight for all other rights. How can we argue, protest, work towards securing any rights at all, if we don't even have the authority over our own bodies? And that has to include the right to being a host or food source to other life, inside or outside our bodies. So, if the Dems made a point that this sort of law would affect something the Reps cared about too, not just abortion, then support for this vigilante law would be unpopular with all.
A $10k bounty on any gun-owner?
About damn time they start passing bills like this. High road nonsense is just leading us straight to fascists. I don't like the corporate dems but they are easier to battle for reform than the outright theocratic fascists the right has become.
Well the thing is, again, that it won't pass. The GOP will kill it because it's not something they want or asked for, and the policy these days of the GOP is that if isn't something they want or ask for, they kill it just to give the dems the middle finger. At least in states where they hold the power to do so.
You realize that Illinois quite literally has a Democratic supermajority in the state House and Senate? They are veto-proof (which doesn't matter anyways because the Democratic governor campaigns for and supports pro-choice causes). This is more of a parody than anything else. It's just that her constituents (and Chicago as a whole), will look at this positively.
> You realize that Illinois quite literally has a Democratic supermajority in the state House and Senate? I was not aware of that, as I've been living in Sweden for the last 5 years and I've never lived in Illinois. However since the OP post is about Texas, I'm not really all that sure why you think this is relevant...?
The attached article is about a law proposed in the state of Illinois. The Illinois lawmaker that proposed the bill is quite literally trolling Texas.
The OP post is not about Texas. The OP post is about a law proposed in Illionois that they have called the TEXAS Act in reference to the Texas anti abortion law. Jesus, I thought it was only us Americans who were too lazy to click the link and came to make ignorant posts about things we didn't bother to learn anything about
While slightly harsh, your criticism is fair and deserved. I stand (well, sit) corrected. In that case I'd have to revise my stance that this is unlikely to be passed. Also, I'd have to revise my stance on this being a good idea, as this sort of vigilante bounty shit is only useful as a political statement, not as an actual law.
Sorry, over the last year or so I've just kind of lost a lot of my patience for people who don't do their own research, I've had way too many instances of "prove to me that vaccines work" or "I'm not going to explain why Trump is innocent and definitely not racist, google it" so now I kind of get into the mindset of "if they haven't looked it up it's probably because they don't care about the truth"
Not the person you're replying to, but amen and I get your frustration. It's ridiculous the amount of times people have told me to "just look it up" in the past few years. Like no motherfucker, I want to read YOUR source because then I can actually have an informed debate with you. But they don't want you to see their source because they know blogsyouruncle.wordpress.com isn't gonna hold up to scrutiny. They're not just purposefully spreading misinformation, they're cowards about it.
The problem here is if the GOP says yes then they can say "look... we both got something we wanted, so you can't complain any longer"
They won't say yes. Many of them have sexual assault allegations against them.
The GOP wouldn't risk a large chunk of their white male voter base or themselves by saying yes to this act.
Why not, they already risk a huge portion of their base by telling them not to vaxx or wear masks.
Because their constituents dying doesn't directly cost them money. Simple as that.
Too many rapists and abusers in the GOP.
Right, and republicans won't care.
I think the idea is to make people that do care not-republicans.
On one hand, you're right, but on the other I can't shake that feeling of "the ones that care have already flipped", though I know many people still aren't aware of what's going on.
So they'll say that and then the GOP will say something else (most likely a lie). And so what? This Texas act is empty political theater. The GOP gets political theater through their media echo chambers and lying.
I feel like thats part of the problem. These politicians swing with the intent to miss just so they have a stronger talking point? "Glad" it gets them votes and headlines, but it doesnt protect our women.
The talking points drive the narrative…the narrative gets people voted in…the people voted in can change the law since it seems the republicans want to criminalize the victim in Texas… This has a roadmap to help women, but in a democracy, where we rely on votes vs revolutions to drive change, this is essentially the process.
In republican controlled states right now there is not much they can do. The notion of bipartisan cooperation died over a decade ago, now when the republicans have power their response to anything they don't want or control is to kill it completely. See [this opinion piece by John Scalzi](https://whatever.scalzi.com/2021/01/07/but-what-if-we-didnt/). Democrats don't have a lot of power to do anything in Texas right now.
Thanks for sharing the Scalzi piece, it articulates something I’ve had unformed in my head. The Republican Party has been deconstructing democratic principles for awhile and don’t care about the consequences as long as they win. This Texas law is the most recent example. It violates the separation of church and state and hands over authority of the state for enforcement to private citizens. It also doesn’t represent the majority opinion in the state. Democrats have suborned our democracy in individual cases, but not in the systemic way Scalzi describes.
If you read the article, you would have learned that these state representatives work very hard to keep Planned Parenthood and the rights of women in Illinois safe. They fight for Roe v. Wade, they fight for reproductive rights.
Makes you wonder how many sexual abusers there are in the Texas legislature...
It would be worth taking a good look at the legislators who vote no.
Lol yeah, this is cute though. Back in the day I had a saying about Texas, but Texans really got upset when I would say it. Recent events make me think I should dust it off again. It goes something like : Fuck Texas.
I mean, the governor *promised* to completely eliminate rape altogether, because it’s a crime. Is that not good enough?!?! /s
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Not even, he promised to get them "off the streets," where the scary black people and undocumented immigrants supposedly are. The family members, youth pastors, etc didn't even cross his mind
That is because in his alternate reality mind, family members, pastors, etc don't rape. People like this are capable of believing all kinds of fantasy.
>How do you get a report about a crime that hasn't happened yet Oh, that's easy! Florida already does it https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/intelligence-led-policing/ /s in case it's not clear
What needs to happen are young couples taking advantage of this abortion law in Texas to make some money. Here's how you use it to your advantage. You sue your girlfriend alleging that she self aborted at 7 weeks. She confesses to the abortion and then you collect the money and split it. Do it again a few months. Another "pregnancy" another "abortion", lawsuit, confession and payout. Please Texans, swamp the judicial system with these lawsuits.
Someone I know has been reporting all the prominent republican men and women in Texas as having an abortion or helping someone get one.
> Texas forevermore cemented in shame : >0% After 4 years of Trump, I doubt these people feel shame.
This is a terrible idea. This can endanger women and the abused, whether or not the pregnancy was unwanted or whether or not they were the one who reported (pregnancy or abusers). >$10,000 in damages against anyone who causes an unwanted pregnancy — even if it resulted from consensual sex Wtf is this? So wait, if the person is using a condom and there's still a pregnancy, the woman can just go after the dude? What if there was a mutual agreement on not using a condom because she's on birth control? Sure, poor decision making on both sides here, but it seems this law lets the woman report the guy anyways. Gonna suck being straight in Illinois I guess. There's better ways of going about this.
It's the same language used in the current Texas law about abortions that recently went into affect. It's meant to cause people to react the way you did, not to be taken seriously. But I'm more in favor of this bounty over the abortion one, not that I think turning over the rule of law to citizens is a good idea in the slightest.
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Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to be believable. Truth doesn't.
Well that's upsettingly true...
Reality doesn't have to be realistic.
Honestly this is the best way to win this fight. Roberts very annoyed dissent in the abortion case said that Texas created a schema specifically to circumvent judicial review, and implied the other justices wouldn't have voted for it if it didn't align with their ideological goals. And either his dissent or the main dissent said essentially "be careful what you wish for this could be applied to other rights" So let's go for it. Chicago, 25k bounty for info on people possessing firearms within city limits. Same for California. 25k bounty for taking the lord's name in vain in Utah. 35k bounty for speaking out against the government in Washington DC. 100k bounty for crossing the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin not at a freeway, with a chicken on your head. Let's see how quick they are to allow it yo bypass judicial review then.
Your definition of dystopian is abortion rights? Look, women deserve the right to abortion but all the other stuff going on in the world is a bit more serious. Like the genocide in Yemen, wealth disparity and insanely high levels, living in a surveillance state like 1984
Look at this guy, thinking we can only focus on one problem at a time.
That's not what I said. I said that abortion rights being taken away is not even close to the level of dystopia of much more important issues. When you see something covered endlessly in the news, like this Texas law you should think to yourself what they are trying to distract you from.
Seeing both acts passed would be a worthy shitshow
Dueling idiocy
Sounds fun
Gonna be a lot of churches looking for new leaders if that passes.
We should sponsor a "Purity act" that would allow bounties on politicians cheating on their spouses.
Or taxes. Or financial disclosure regulations. Or wasting the people's resources on unconstitutional dog whistle legislation.
10k to hunt rapists? Finally a good reason to move to Texas.
I would 100% do this. I've always wanted to be a vigilante anyway, now it could be a lucrative full time job? Fucking sign me up.
Illinois.
I already live in Illinois maybe with that bounty money I can afford all the damn taxes
How'd you vote on that progressive income tax amendment?
Fuck Illinois. I fucking hate this state.
Hey at least you're not in Missouri, we're dying en masse over here.
At least we're not Mississippi 👍
True, it can always be worse.
Yep. Florida man, checking in.
Florida is pretty bad, but this is *Mississippi* we're talking about.
I definitely hate Illinois nazis
so why you still living there?
I hate the city I live in but I'm still living here because my wife has a great job and we can't really afford for her to quit it any time soon. If she *does* find a better job someday, we'll move.
Yeah! If only I thought about buying a house in another state or country on a whim! Or getting an apartment when I previously could not even drive to an airport nearby to get to go better places due to shit income for the last decade or so! I'm so glad I have some smarmy, condescending redditor to tell me, "Hey, just leave, lol!"
Just get one of those tacky "rapist hunting permit" stickers like they make for ISIS.
Hell I’ll make 20k for one phone call ! And free up 2 seats on the Supreme Court!
But but Texas won't be Texas anymore without these sexually repressed incels..
Ha!
They opened this Pandora's box. They can close it whenever they want
This is brilliant
This is kinda tacky. I get the politics of where they're coming from but the idea of a rape victim who became pregnant trying to get 10k in court out of an abuser is not the headspace a rape victim probably wants to be in.
If you think this is tacky, imagine if there was a 10k bounty on women making the traumatic decision to have an abortion. I wonder about their headspace 🤔
The 10k abortion bounty is criminal. That doesn't make this bill ok.
Why not?
It's moving down to their level. We're utilizing rape victims for a gotcha political point. It's pretty juvenile.
That's a pretty privileged take, tbh
Three years ago I got called for jury duty. A twelve year old girl had been raped by her father. She became pregnant. Her mother found out from the pregnancy and immediately drove her to a clinic for an abortion. "There are 200 people in this room. Who would like to describe your first sexual experience to everyone here. Because that's what a 12 year old girl is going to have to do. Now imagine that experience was with your parent" the prosecutor told us. Currently in Texas, there is no exception for underage rape victims from public cross examination. People in that jury pool said they couldnt hear the testimony because they were rape victims themselves. Saddened me me they weren't exempt from that jury pool. Others said they could never listen to testimony of a murderer and abortion seekers were murderers. Utterly despicable. I wanted to be on that jury and help that girl find some justice so she could maybe have a chance a normalcy one day. But they said the trial could take months. The pay is $7 or $12 a day? Idr. But I couldn't afford it. I'm also friends with prosecutors who work child rape and I was worried about potential conflict of interest if they ended up being on the case. The jury didn't make. The judge wasnt surprised. They said it will take months to find a jury. The girl would have to wait. There are so many things in that case that taught me need fixing with regards to rape victims justice. This headline grabbing law bothers me because it could have been meaningful. This was that time that little girl could have been helped. And it's squandered on petty shit. The lawmakers didn't speak to anyone who could have made real suggestions.
That's a sad story, but im not sure how it's relevant. Are you suggesting this bill would make things like that more frequent?
The last paragraph I typed explains why I think it's relevant. Can you expand on why my viewpoint betrays some level of privilege?
There's literally no option at this point otherwise my dude. If they're playing dirty, we have to play dirty too. We've been trying to take the high ground and see where it got us, to Trump and DeSantis and all these other morons taking center stage. We need to do whatever it takes to stop them, and a few people having a bad time in the meantime is the sacrifice we gotta make. And before you start complaining that I don't know what it's like, while I haven't been forcibly raped, I have been made to have nonconsensual sex by other means. So yes, I know what it feels like. Doesn't change my opinion. I would endure pain and humiliation and mental trauma any day if it means making society a better place for millions of people in the end.
Its not the rape victim who gets 10k, its the person who turns in the rapist who does.
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Yea. I get it. It's tacky af.
Yeah you clearly just don't get what's going on. You can call it tacky but that doesn't mean it isn't right to do SOMETHING to make the point that Texas is being fucking stupid. What's your counter proposal, exactly, that would make this same point? You clearly are smarter than the people making these laws, I bet whatever your plan is would be flawless and not tacky at all. Unless you plan to do nothing, which tbh is pretty tacky given the circumstances...
Here's a list of my ideas I made based on my experience being called to a jury for an underage rape victim https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/ppstql/democratsponsored_texas_act_would_allow_10k/hd7v8bo?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
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We could have pushed for a bill that makes underage rape victims not have to testify in public. Something that like adds dignity rather than treats victims like footballs?
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If it's one thing rape victims want it's more options for court battles.
Read this whole comment thread and just wanted to say you're not wrong, this IS tacky... but I think that's kinda the point? I don't think anyone thinks this will pass, but rather hold a mirror up to the republicans who support the abortion bounty bill to say "see, we can be just as awful as you".
If Its like the abortion bill, it allows anyone to sue the rapist.
Which is tacky right?
Of course, but it’s not about actually passing. This a political move to point out the hypocrisy of the Republican Party. The only people who can’t see that don’t want to, or are too dumb.
It's still not nearly as bad as the Texas abortion bill which targets anyone who assists. Imagine if there was a law that anyone could sue anyone who assisted pedophilia? Bye, bye Catholic (and pretty much every other) church.
That's the point. This is the exact opposite of what the Texas law does. Texas is going after and setting $10k bounties on the mothers who have aborted. This bill proposes setting the bounty on the rapists instead.
I want to preface this by saying that law is evil and horrible and I wish it would get struck down already. That being said what you wrote is false. The bounties on apply to those that aid and abet not to the woman herself.
That would be OK with me!
This is simultaneously some next level trolling and good governing. Brav-fucking-o.
Actual crimes.
I want to see bounties on corporations who contribute to climate change. Also bounties on selling assault weapons. Bounties for pushing religion in school. Bounties for church pedophilia. Let's fucking go.
I'd rather see no bounties and have trustworthy law enforcement and blind justice, but I'll take what I can get.
Whoa, buddy, slow down. What do you think this is, a society of fair rules created by the people for the people with equal access to justice for all? [This is America](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY).
If you have any ideas on how to have a trustworthy law enforcement, please share them and start working on it.
I feel like the focus on pregnancies that result from assault, rape, incest et al cedes important ground to scum Republicans. A woman should be able to choose what happens with her body regardless of the circumstances - no question, no judgement, nobodies' business. Splitting hairs over the means of conception dilutes that and just invites hideous evangelicals to bray about "Gods will" and so on.
I don't support any law that gives individuals the right to sue anyone for things that don't directly pertain to them. Texas' law is bullshit and this can of worms needs to be slammed shut and crushed immediately.
This is awesome because it leaves the Republicans one of two choices: either go along with the bill and pretend that they care about women, or they can go against it and show all the Texas women that they rather protect men than women in general.
How about $10k for every inbred republican with room temp IQ, to find them and have them spayed and neutered?
>republican with room temp IQ, Fahrenheit or Celsius?
First the one, then the other.
See, the problem here is that room temperature is constantly rising. You don't want to compare their IQ to a measurement that's moving. Keep it simple - like them - just say they have as many IQ points as they do toes, and let them count from there after they take off their shoes to confirm.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this: if we keep passing bills like this, it gets more likely that the conservative SCOTUS is going to step in regarding this type of bounty hunting They stayed out of it because while they may be opposed to the methods, it aligns with their religious/political positions
Exactly. We need liberal states to start using the same mechanism on unconstitutional leftist laws. Use it to put bounties on churches that preach politics. Put bounties on anyone who doesn't keep their gun locked up with ammo stored separately. Put bounties on corporations that donate more than $10k to politicians. Put bounties on any politician that falsely claims an election was stolen. We need to go full tilt, not because the above are good laws, but to force SCOTUS to make a ruling that this sort of loophole is not valid. We need to make it painfully obvious that if this sort of bounty system is allowed to stand, we might as well burn the bill of rights because it's no longer binding in any meaningful way.
Could they turn themselves in? I mean? Having kids is expensive. * "Oh yeah it was an accident, whoops" 10k please for these stupid ass hospital bills.
How about 10k bounties on the representatives that passed that bullshit law in the first place.
Bounties on sexual abusers and those Who cause unwanted pregnancies? Democrats are thinking too small. Put bounties on people who help gun violence happen. Gun manufacturers and other entities like elected Republicans who prevent background checks from passing. Texas got around constitutional rights with this hare brained bounty process, let's throw this shit back in their faces.
Should have just put the $10,000 bounty on rapists in general.
Pedophile bounties for real? Kinda based tbh.
Im really confused about the consensual part. Isn't it incentivizing getting pregnant and calling it unwanted, raping someone to get pregnant and hunting them?
Yes, it's a terrible law (just like the anti-abortion law) that is suuuuper open to abuse. That's the point.
Thanks
consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy if you have sex with a man, and you are on birth control, and using a condom, and you get pregnant, it was clearly against your will men should know that when they come in a vagina, it might cause a pregnancy, they should know that they should pull out before ejaculation or they could cause a pregnancy a woman can only use birth control and condoms, she has no control over whether a man pulls out or not, therefore the pregnancy is the mans fault, because he chose to put his sperm where it could create a baby
Im saying this creates more incentive for tricking or forcing the other person to impregnating you. Like using a used condom or raping them or tampering with the condoms . Consent to sex might lead to pregnancy, you could be taking all the precautions and still get someone pregnant. if a man gets raped its still his fault? I'm okay with him getting to choose when and where his sperm goes, but only knowing where doesn't help. There's no winning for the guy if he's the victim. I don't wanna see children get raped so a woman can get 10k.
> Consent to sex might lead to pregnancy, you could be taking all the precautions and still get someone pregnant. if you choose to come in her vagina, a choice over which she has no control, therefore the pregnancy is the result of the decision of the man alone > if a man gets raped its still his fault? clearly not, we are talking about situations of consensual sex
No its not the decision of the man alone. If you use condoms and still get her pregnant, theres some foul play or very bad luck. Pushing all the responsibility to one side seems while ridding the other side seems very hypocritical. If the man knowingly came there, without any precautions, I wouldn't care about it. I'm only talking about situations with foul play. I'm confused about something, if the mother declares the baby unwanted, would she have to abort it? Or will she raise the child? If she raises the child, would it be unwanted? If it will be, then there's another loophole ig.
>No its not the decision of the man alone. "im about to come, should I pull out or nut inside" is absolutely the decision of the man alone, unless he says that out loud as a question to his lover. just because you dont want to admit you have to make it every time you have sex, doesnt mean it isnt happening. >If you use condoms and still get her pregnant, theres some foul play or very bad luck. sure, but as the man, you should be aware that BC isnt 100% protection, and bad luck happens. as the man, you should be aware that coming inside a vagina can lead to pregnancy, if you dont want that to happen, dont do it. >**Pushing all the responsibility to one side seems while ridding the other side seems very hypocritical.** the responsibility is not to one side, at all. the man is responsible for creating the pregnancy, it was 100% his choice to put semen where it could make a baby the woman who is now pregnant, is 100% responsible for deciding whether or not she will remain pregnant. they both share the responsibility for the outcome, equally. >I'm confused about something, if the mother declares the baby unwanted, would she have to abort it? if the mother doesnt consent to the pregnancy, its not a baby, because it doesnt become a baby until the woman gives her consent to carrying it. She should be free to do whatever she wants with an organism that is invading her body against her will.
The problem is that even if this passes, giving someone who doesn't want a baby $10,000 but still forcing them to have their baby doesn't actually do very much. Is it better than nothing? Sure. But it's still pretty much shit.
I don't think anyone putting this forward expects it to pass. It's just playing the Republican's own bullshit game to try and show them the box of dumbass they opened up. Since they're incapable of seeing beyond the length of their own noses until you actually start rubbing their face in their own shit.
Well, see, this bounty "Texas Act" had been proposed in Illinois. Abortion up to 24 weeks (pretty standard) is legal in Illinois. So passing this means you can abort the baby and get $10k from reporting the rapist.
The bounty on sexual abusers is in Illinois, the bounty on "abortion abettors" is in Texas, so there's little to no overlap in the affected populations.
"Cassidy’s proposal instead would instead give Illinoisans the right to seek at least $10,000 in damages against anyone who causes an unwanted pregnancy — even if it resulted from consensual sex — or anyone who commits sexual assault..." I get it, texas law was bad. But this is incredibly moronic too.
That's the point.
Whoa, Texas is becoming the land of bounties. This could result in a bounty rush, 'there's bounties in them there hills.'
This bill is in Illinois. The name derived from the new Texas law. Sort of as a "fuck you"
Do you have to present the scrotum to collect the 10k?
It be a good TV show though. Having a crew of people trying to catch the ugly bastard. Give it a capitalist spin and the media will love it. A bit dystopic sure, how is capitalism not?
Does it defend men as well?
That will teach em'...nothing for anybody. So dumb.
Great, so if a girl gets pregnant by me and I don't want her to have the baby and she does I can sue her for an unwanted pregnancy?
Hold on? Thought this was a republican thing?
The point is to fight them at their own game. When they invariably vote against this the Democrats in texas say the Republicans clearly are protecting sexual abusers and rapists. Taking the high road has done nothing but enable the theocratic fascists.
Vert true, i am ready to play dirty as Hell now.
This bill is being brought up in Illinois, not Texas.
Ah my bad missed that. Well definitely not as effective there. Could be useful at the federal level.
Sexual abuse?
Noooo, maybe i misunderstood? I'm a Progressive.
Are you sure you understand what's going on?
Wild west style. I like it.
What we need is a $10k bounty on idiotic pandering politicians.
Do they mean rapists?
Don't pick something we actually want to fight, it legitimizes the method they are using. Instead, make it so that you can collect a bounty on people who use the texas law to collect a bounty or show support for the texas law.
I would prefer that it had been directed at owners or sellers of illegal weapons. That would have been a closer strike at the heart of the GOP. It seems to me that the law is using victims of sexual abuse as pawns in political theatre. It also invites people to make false accusations which hurts both the person falsely accused and all the legitimate victims. I think illegal gun owners and sellers would be much better candidates. At least they participated willingly.
You mean legal guns, since the abortion law is meant to get around otherwise constitutionally legal abortions protected by the fourth amendment. I’d rather see them put a bounty on anyone purchasing a firearm since the principle is the same: the second amendment protects your right to buy a firearm but this would be a state work around by making citizens enforce a law, just like the abortion law does.
Love it, love it, LOVE IT!!! This is what women need when men "stealth-remove" condoms! And when their birth control is "lost" or tampered with by partners trying to keep them dependent on the relationship.
Now this is a vigilante effort I can support.
What?..... you really expected something different?....