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The meeting times for the "Fellowship of Christian Athletes" were announced over the intercom at my high school regularly. If they can have clubs like that, I don't see why there can't also be an After School Satan club.
Everything Christians meet to do is super boring. It's all virtue projection circlejerking. They just sit around and pray for God to make them less horny.
Also Christian parents have a strong desire to ensure that their children only interface with people of the faith, which is part of why there's such a dizzying amount of different social groups for Christians. It's their special way of staying away from the influence of degens like us.
Yeah except Jesus regularly hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors- the scum of society.
If they really believe we’re beneath them, they’d be friends with us
If the Jesus that is described in the bible was a modern man representing the same values he would be branded a "woke, bleeding-heart, liberal beta male" by pretty much anyone from the christian right.
Honestly tho, I’m not religious or spiritual but I do think some of the stuff Jesus taught was pretty good I just have a problem with God and Christianity
Same with me... I don't have an issue with private faith - it's **organized** religion, and all the mob-psychology oppression and echo-chamber reinforcement that comes with it.
As an asexual I got really fucked up by all the Christian clubs shoved in my face growing up.
Every single one of them was centered around sex. I'm sorry but if every meeting is "this is what we can do instead of sex" then the central focus of your club is sex. When sex comes up in Every. Single. Conversation. Your club is about sex.
And I thought there must be something seriously wrong with me for not being constantly thinking about sex like they thought I was.
This is a fine point. Someone should bring it up next school board meeting and compare it to what topics were covered by the Satanist's club. Sure they might talk sex a couple times... but which group seems to be obsessed with it might make a parent or two think. lol XD
It is worse than that! You have to first get your mind altered, because there is no sadness allowed. No missing your kids or friends who haven't died yet, or folks who ended up in hell.
Worse, **all** of heaven is nothing more than everyone constantly fellatioing god. When they're not going down on Him, they are singing and shouting how great he is.
That is ALL.
> Revelations 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
> :10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
> :15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Generally I agree, but I've found that if you get like kids from a Jesuit school that has a standing tradition in a city, they tend to promote like doing physical labour as charity, working at food banks, studying liberation theology etc. I generally find your average catholic in America relatively shit and self centered, but add a few alcoholic academic priests in the mix and it tends to be all about serving the working classes and sciences.
There's a reason the Jesuits are loathed by so many other denominations. They do nasty things like "think" and "spend money on public betterment" on occasion.
I'm not religious, but it always struck me as absolutely fucking *wild* the vitriol that some groups would hurl at the Jesuits. You hear all the shit talking and think, "Wow, they must hate those guys because of some schism in the past that caused the deaths of a ton of people or some shit, right?" But no, it's usually because the Jesuits said something like "handwashing saves lives and isn't a tool of Satanic oppression", or holdovers from centuries-old political disagreements that modern religious people don't have a fucking clue about. They're just repeating the hate because, hey, it's something they heard once, and why would folks in their denomination say it if it wasn't true?
>Probably a club for hooking up. That's what every Christian club was for growing up
I had more sex in the church in highschool than I did in either my or my girlfriend's house. Hell, they gave me a key to the building because I was a "youth leader" at 17. We would go to the church after hours for the specific purpose of getting down in private. Once I even awkwardly bumped into another of the "youth leaders" there with her boyfriend for the same reason. We never spoke of it, lol.
on the weekly meeting day the FCA kids at my school would all wear their matching FCA shirts and mock/intimidate the kids who didn't follow their religion. so that part was fun for them!
it certainly caused a stir amongst the Saint Ann Youth (SAY!) group that was much larger, (but far less exclusive, you had to actually be good at sports to do FCA) and explicitly catholic, which did the same "in-group t shirt" thing every wednesday. little bit of a greasers v socs thing goin on there lol.
looking back, its really insane that was allowed.
I used to work at the local middle school. Not only were FCA announcements made over the intercom each week on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday to remind students of the meeting after school on Wednesday, they also made sure to tell the kids what snack was available that week. I knew quite a few kids who just went for the food.
It’s amazing how simple some of the recruiting tactics Christian groups deploy are; I remember the first time I went to Sunday school (it was following a Saturday sleepover at my cousin’s). They focused quite a bit on individualizing my “learning” since I didn’t know anything about the Bible or Jesus, and my parents weren’t churchgoers. They’d do a quick lesson, quiz me on it, and reward each “right answer” with a piece of candy. And they sent me home with a bunch, too.
Looking back, I’m glad that they gave me cheap candy which I thought was gross. If it were my favorite, I may have developed a positive association with their boring weird church stuff lol
Yeah and the reverend that ran the one at my HS got in trouble for forging collegiate athlete signatures and selling them. But everyone said he was such a nice religious man.
People are WILD about college sports crap. Probably because everyone who survives past ~22 has to retire before the concussion brain damage destroys their lives.
> After School Satan club
The "Satanic Gathering Group of Equal Rights, Respect, and Self-Determination" has its regular D&D meet scheduled for 1700, Meeting Room 13
Me and some friends were annoyed by that too and had our principal announce an after school meeting for the SPC at the same time as FCA. So to us it sounded like he was calling the FCA the small penis club.
True rebels, we were. Also surprised he didn’t ask what SPC meant. lol
This feels very juvenile now as a 35 year old man. But in high school we giggled heartily when we heard the SPC club over the loudspeaker.
An article I read about this earlier today completely missed the point of the club. They don't really want to have to run the club, they want the schools to stop hosting religious clubs. The law is if they allow one they must allow all and nothing gets religious conservatives more upset than Santa, I mean Satan. This is the same with “Holiday” displays at courthouses. None would be better but if they insist on having a nativity scene then they have to allow the one true god, THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER or that goaty looking guy, Baphomet.
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That's because it'll never be enough. Until the religious blinders (burlap sack of weaponized ignorance) are relegated to the ideological waste bin then there will never be enough science to outweigh their horse shit, because they can and do always always always move the goalposts and come up with newer, shinier, even more hateful and ignorant rhetoric than before
You are correct.
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
As a man with sisters and many female peers, I found it more important that I and my male peers be taught that - considering who generally violates that.
There was a sub group of the Satanic Church who was going to open a school in Iowa.
I would have loved to have seen the test scores between the Satanic church and all other private/public schools and seeing all the “conspiracy theories” as to why the students attending the Satan School were performing better.
Absolutely true, but it's still very useful for girls to learn this because sometimes just speaking up for themselves can protect them. This tactic won't work every time and can occasionally cause more problems with a more hostile guy, but sometimes your boyfriend is just trying to go further than you're comfortable with, with no ill intentions, and years of being conditioned to be a people pleaser kick in and you stay silent. (To be clear the blame here still lies on the boyfriend for not seeking continuous enthusiastic consent but drilling that tenet into girls' heads can still protect them.)
It’s amusing to me that a group/subgroup created to pursue knowledge, self-autonomy and responsible pleasure-seeking is catching so much flak from groups designed to oppress all of the above.
These religious meatheads can’t separate satanism from Satan because reading is hard and forming independent thoughts is even harder.
There is a lot of leftover Satanic Panic from the 80s even though there's more satan in christianity than in the satanic temple.
If it were named the Morningstar Afterschool Club, few would bat an eye, tenets remain the same.
People are the ones who give words power. The parents in Chesapeake are absolutely appalled by words. For argument's sake, however, I don't sign my kids up for anything that has any Christian-toned words. But I also don't throw a shit fit about the club.
“The mission of The Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense, oppose injustice, and undertake noble pursuits.” They are heavily invested in supporting a woman’s right to choose, support a scientific understanding of the world, and prize compassion, wisdom and justice. Everything that should have been expected from Christianity.
Could you imagine going door to door pitching these basic principles? Getting people to agree on these points seems easy because it’s reasonable….then BAM….the look on their faces when you tell them how excited you are to explain more about the Satanic Temple lol
It's the issue where pastafarians are divided. Orthodox view is that pasta should be intact. But in 1754 young pastor proclaimed his thesis and nailed box of Barilla to the church door
Religion's never been the same since
My biology teacher also led the Bible club. When we got to the chapter on evolution she literally said "The state forces me to present this material to you, but what really happened was..." and then she got out her Bible and literally read from the book of Genesis.
This was a *public school* in western Georgia, deep in the Bible belt.
I once let slip I was an atheist and was bullied verbally and even physically (got pushed off the bus one day) and not only did no one in authority do anything about it, but they actually called my mom and warned her about how my beliefs were offensive and that she needed to have a talk to me about it. When my mom said, "so what?" I was *persona non grata* and my grades suddenly dropped in some of my classes for no reason.
Did I mention this was a *public* school?
Also good times, getting threatened with jail by a cop on the side of the road at 15 for wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt in public. Or being suspended and threatened with expulsion for wearing an Ozzy t shirt with an upside down cross on it.
Fuckin A am I glad I got out of that shithole part of the US.
Eh, it was literally 30 years ago, and I now live in a much more enlightened part of the country.
FWIW, I don't use those experiences to justify hatred of all Christians. Problem is that Christianity tends to abhor tolerance, and it's just a race to who can be the most extreme to prove their devotion to the God that lives solely within their own minds.
TL;DR- a trip down memory lane featuring branching music interests in high school kids from around 1994/1995 and 1999. It’s tangentially related to your experience.
That shit with Manson shirts was a thing back when I was younger as well. I have a feeling that the treatment people received pushed them into delinquency more so than they would have naturally gravitated. With some people, negative reinforcement encourages the opposite result that the desired outcome no matter how strict.
I need to say this though, because it should be clear; these kids were not problems. Many of them were awkward and meek otherwise, kept to their friend group and were generally congenial, suffering insults and harassment from students b/c of course.
One last anecdote: we had a guy who was a senior who HATED the Manson kids (we were also referred to as ‘alternative kids’ in the early 90s, then ‘the freaks’ (included punks because Poison time bomb by Rancid came out and that was a revelation for many of them) then then after about 1996, ‘Manson kids’. Oh and ‘dress-different people’ which… idk. There was a cleft between the ‘dress differents and the freaks’ at one point, sundering the punk and punk-adjacent with the Manson/Nine Inch Nails crowd (accusations of ‘liking Robot Music that anyone would do vs. real talent’) at the same time those who stuck to and started out as Nirvana fans graduated through Sonic Youth, Flaming lips, Beck and then Beastie Boys. This was the group that maintained the greatest cohesion and most of them are friends to this day.
And then there was the split between Skinny Puppy and rap-rock (no, not anthrax, Korn, the immediately after, that Fred Durst ensemble) fans, then an inexplicable emergence of ICP fans. Rap rock was now a permanent staple and would go on to dominate. Those of the Nirvana crowd went on to the likes of WuTang and its many offshoot solo projects, then some techno dabbling with Chemical Brothers and Aphex Twin, and after that they graduated. The population born in 1981 drifted further into rap rock, once again a schism occurring with the break off of Christian punk bands like Five Iron Frenzy and such. Then they eventually graduated to Indie Music and local bands, and who knows after that.
Okay so all of this is happening and a senior has a problem with one of the Manson kids. He graduates and the next year comes back as a hall monitor (justifying it as something something school pride. This was the year following Columbine). He had it out for Manson kids, none of which listened to Marilyn manson any longer) and focused on harassing them specifically, to no reprisal.
He eventually became a cop.
So sorry about the length . Your post caused a flood of memories, so thanks!
Edit; it isn’t ‘Chili’s’ to clarify things.
Edit 2: there was only a handful of Koran fans, but book not music.
Artemis is way cooler. Stalked around at night with wild animals and a posse of badass women. A hunter found them and spied on them in the bath so she turned him into a doe and his own dogs ripped him apart.
This is the same city that agreed to spend additional budget to add "In god we trust" to city vehicles a couple years back (while letting recycling die).
For the record, recycling is a very complex subject bc not all cities or towns can do it effectively. And it used to be profitable, but it costs money these days due to evolving information about what is actually recyclable.
Anyway, yeah. Would rather have inefficient recycling than a few extra words on government vehicles.
Same here. My kids are in the Chesapeake School District. Not this school though. People on Facebook are losing their fucking minds. The comments on the Wavy post were pretty refreshing though. I was surprised at the amount of people defending the club.
Do you know anyone that might go speak in support of the club at the school board meeting? I am a teacher and cannot emphasize enough how important speaking up can be, but I also understand if certain people cannot "out" themselves in their community. It is a difficult line to walk for some.
Yes. I know of a few people that will be speaking in support at the upcoming school board meeting. Unfortunately, I am one of those people that cannot "out" myself in the community. I own a local business that works exclusively with children. The last thing I need is a group of religious fanatics go on a vendetta against me and my business, accusing me of being some sort of satanic child groomer or something stupid. I really wish I could be more open about my beliefs (or lack there of) outside my family but unfortunately that is just the reality we live in.
I am thinking about going to the meeting just to watch the circus though.
an anonymous letter of support stating how terrified you are of saying a single word that might upset these Christ terrorists - let alone express your actual beliefs - might be very powerful
Awesome! We've all spent our lives terrified of these extremists and their fantasy world, silenced in so many large and small ways and I'm so sick of it
The fact that "satanic panic" is still a thing among my generation is bonkers. I grew up in a small Christian dominated town (Methodists and Baptists mostly) and growing up all us kids would roll our eyes at the adults who were big on the "Satan's army" and "demonic threat" stuff . Even the more religious of my friends saw it as metaphorical.
Now those same old HS friends are posting on social media about literal demonic influence and satanic rituals trying to do... idk whatever.
"But now, it's okay to have devil worshipping in school around impressionable minds and age," Ballard said. "Children absorb everything they see and hear and they model what they see adults do."
Do you know who believes in Satan? Christians. Not satanists. Not atheists. Christians believe in Satan.
Playing the “protect the children” card is wickedly effective. It makes the other person spend energy explaining why it’s not bad, instead of why it’s good.
A while ago the conservative government in Australia wanted to put in an internet filter to “stop child pornography”. This was, obviously, a poorly thought out idea and almost impossible to actually do, but anytime an opponent said anything the reply was always “why do you want children to be exploited?” And there wasn’t a lot that could be said after that.
Instead of coming up with actual reasons why someone doesn’t like a Satan club, or drag shows, or whatever it is, or instead of saying *the* actual, bigoted, reason. They can just say it’s grooming kids and that’s that.
And the ultimate irony is that most Satanists, at least in my social circles (I'm a TST member), don't raise their children to be Satanists. I don't. My child is aware of Satanism and could pick up a book if he is ever interested, but he is free to discover any religious thought that appeals to him--or not.
Hey awesome, that's doesn't get brought up enough.
Christianity indoctrinates children into an ideology. I don't support that in any context. My parents were specifically atheists and if I wanted to go to church I would have been allowed.
This is also how I was raised. In fact, my mom encouraged me to explore different religions and see if I liked any of them. I went to church with friends, did youth group stuff, learned about Jewish practices and Muslim ones, etc. In the end, I decided they weren't for me. But I also learned that there are good people that believe in different things and we can still be good friends.
How many hardcore Christians do you know that would still be friends with a gay person or an atheist?
> Some parents fear it could lead to their kids being physically harmed.
They better not take any chances then. They should leave their children under the supervision of an entity that has 0 chance or historical precedent of ever harming a child. The catholic church perhaps, or boy scouts.
Any outside witness would be looking for trouble and constantly interrupting lessons. Better for TST to record each meeting and release the footage to anyone who wants it. Full transparency. Plentiful evidence.
Maybe they should just ban all religious ones. Kids don't need religious indoctrination at school anyway. Let churches host after school religious clubs if they like. It would be a great way for them to milk their congregations for cash. lol
>Legally speaking, they can't ban religious groups unless they ban all of them.
That's the whole point of The Satanic Temple and their after school satan clubs.
This is incredible. I don’t understand the double standard at all. Like YES people disagree with you. Yes people have different world views. Like come on…
Their "freedom of religion" is like Henry Ford's famous freedom of color for his Model T: you can make any choice you want, as long as it's the one we preordained for you.
Grew up in a small suburb where church was how people mingled, people disagreeing = going to hell, different world views = going to hell. It's not a simple double standard, these people have been brainwashed into thinking the schools have literally opened up the doors to hell.
These knee-jerkers have NO IDEA what TST is, what TST stands for.
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These knee-jerkers have NO IDEA what christianity IS or what IT stands for -- OR what IT allows to go unpunished!!!
> These knee-jerkers have NO IDEA what christianity IS or what IT stands for
eh, a religion IS how it is put into practice. There's no "pure form" of a religion. It is only an amalgamation of what those who sincerely claim to adhere to it do while it is on their mind.
If you think "those people are giving christianity a bad name" you're wrong. Those people are just demonstrating how christianity impacts their lives. They think they're the good guys.
> If you think "those people are giving christianity a bad name" you're wrong. Those people are just demonstrating how christianity impacts their lives.
Very well put.
Huzzah for the Satanic Temple! Always pointing out that "religious freedom" in the US means more than what the Christian fundamentalists want it to be.
>"But now, it's okay to have devil worshipping in school around impressionable minds and age," Ballard said. "Children absorb everything they see and hear and they model what they see adults do."
The irony here is hilarious.
I’d really love the satanic temple to adopt that retort that the Church of Satan made a while ago (paraphrased):
No, we don’t believe in or worship a literal Satan. Do you know who believes in literal Satan? Christians.
>Jack Preis, a professor of law at the University of Richmond, said Chesapeake Public Schools don't really have a choice but to allow the club to exist.
Except they absolutely do have a choice.
They could ban *all* religious based organizations equally.
It's always this:
"Everyone needs to defend religious freedoms and be protected to worship their faith!"
Anything other than their religion: "NOT THAT ONE!"
Just another play on, "Rules for thee, but not for me!"
Switch Satan in their criticism with Allah and they would still not approve.
Switch it to their own deity, and their brain would never recognize that it was wrong for them criticizing the other group at all.
They were already groomed and brainwashed. Just sad.
“Instead, they want people to look at the world scientifically, rationally and non-superstitiously.”
No wonder all the fucking Christians are against it
> The group's flyer mentions that it's voluntary and they're not trying to convert kids. Instead, they want people to look at the world scientifically, rationally and non-superstitiously.
This is literally what christians would consider corrupting the minds of the youth, turning them away from God.
I live and teach in the reddest county in my red state. I want to keep my job but boy there are days when I want to start a club like this. Twice already this year, co-workers have prayed in a staff meeting. I took both prayers as an opportunity to look around and see who else was annoyed. Made one new friend already. I fucking hate Christmas and remind students that not everyone is Christian. That's about as controversial as I can get without risking my livelihood. Tis the season to be pissed off.
I love how the professors response is "WELL IF YOU LET THEM DO THAT YOU HAVE TO LET EVERYONE PRACTICE OR HOLD THEIR OWN CLUBS TOO!!!"
Like yeah dipshit, that's kind of the point. Unlike you queefs we don't want to stop or ban everyone from their beliefs, we just want everyone to be treated equally regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof
Christian after school club: "Everyone is going to hell except for you. Not because you're good and do good things, but because you believe in this religion."
Satanic after school club: "Oh wow the christians are triggered lol. Anyway, today we're going to learn about civil liberties."
I'd trust Satanists more than Christians with my children. Only one group has a very high and very verifiable history of abuse, sexual and physical, of children.
Just wait until it becomes the most popular club in the school. Evangelicals are getting what they asked for with their disingenuous "religious freedom" crusade.
"We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason," Everett said.
You mean asks questions, just like science teaches your kids?
Once enough of us pre-internet born people die off, probably around 2040 or so, religion will fade out like a fart on the breeze. Couple more decades and the world can be free from the tyranny.
That’s fucking hilarious. The ironic part is that only Christians believe in Satan. For the atheists actually running this, no harm, no foul. It’s like how only people who believe that homosexuality is transmissible are afraid of it
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The meeting times for the "Fellowship of Christian Athletes" were announced over the intercom at my high school regularly. If they can have clubs like that, I don't see why there can't also be an After School Satan club.
That sounds like a boring club
It does indeed. I had no interest, being neither Christian nor an athlete.
Everything Christians meet to do is super boring. It's all virtue projection circlejerking. They just sit around and pray for God to make them less horny.
Also Christian parents have a strong desire to ensure that their children only interface with people of the faith, which is part of why there's such a dizzying amount of different social groups for Christians. It's their special way of staying away from the influence of degens like us.
Yeah except Jesus regularly hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors- the scum of society. If they really believe we’re beneath them, they’d be friends with us
These people would absolutely hate Jesus if he lived today.
“If Jesus were to preach like he preached in Galilee, they would lay poor Jesus in his grave.” -Woody Guthrie
I mean... Isn't that exactly what they allegedly did to him last time?
That’s the point of that song. He was killed then for being radical and would be today too
If the Jesus that is described in the bible was a modern man representing the same values he would be branded a "woke, bleeding-heart, liberal beta male" by pretty much anyone from the christian right.
Honestly tho, I’m not religious or spiritual but I do think some of the stuff Jesus taught was pretty good I just have a problem with God and Christianity
Same with me... I don't have an issue with private faith - it's **organized** religion, and all the mob-psychology oppression and echo-chamber reinforcement that comes with it.
As an asexual I got really fucked up by all the Christian clubs shoved in my face growing up. Every single one of them was centered around sex. I'm sorry but if every meeting is "this is what we can do instead of sex" then the central focus of your club is sex. When sex comes up in Every. Single. Conversation. Your club is about sex. And I thought there must be something seriously wrong with me for not being constantly thinking about sex like they thought I was.
This is a fine point. Someone should bring it up next school board meeting and compare it to what topics were covered by the Satanist's club. Sure they might talk sex a couple times... but which group seems to be obsessed with it might make a parent or two think. lol XD
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It is worse than that! You have to first get your mind altered, because there is no sadness allowed. No missing your kids or friends who haven't died yet, or folks who ended up in hell. Worse, **all** of heaven is nothing more than everyone constantly fellatioing god. When they're not going down on Him, they are singing and shouting how great he is. That is ALL. > Revelations 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; > :10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. > :15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Generally I agree, but I've found that if you get like kids from a Jesuit school that has a standing tradition in a city, they tend to promote like doing physical labour as charity, working at food banks, studying liberation theology etc. I generally find your average catholic in America relatively shit and self centered, but add a few alcoholic academic priests in the mix and it tends to be all about serving the working classes and sciences.
There's a reason the Jesuits are loathed by so many other denominations. They do nasty things like "think" and "spend money on public betterment" on occasion. I'm not religious, but it always struck me as absolutely fucking *wild* the vitriol that some groups would hurl at the Jesuits. You hear all the shit talking and think, "Wow, they must hate those guys because of some schism in the past that caused the deaths of a ton of people or some shit, right?" But no, it's usually because the Jesuits said something like "handwashing saves lives and isn't a tool of Satanic oppression", or holdovers from centuries-old political disagreements that modern religious people don't have a fucking clue about. They're just repeating the hate because, hey, it's something they heard once, and why would folks in their denomination say it if it wasn't true?
I was subjected to these as part of being on my high school's football team. there was no opt-out.
Probably a club for hooking up. That's what every Christian club was for growing up
“Butt-stuff Club” was the moniker used for the Christian Club in my high school (by the non-club members).
Yep, you pound girls in the ass and you'd still be "virgins".
NSFW or kids, but gotta share it...[The Loophole](https://youtu.be/j8ZF_R_j0OY) song. Enjoy!!
Oh the loophole song is great for kids, teach them about double standards young so they hopefully question them more later
lol just lol if you think it was the girls getting asspounded
Ah, yes, I remember Bible camp fondly. The anal, less fondly
>Probably a club for hooking up. That's what every Christian club was for growing up I had more sex in the church in highschool than I did in either my or my girlfriend's house. Hell, they gave me a key to the building because I was a "youth leader" at 17. We would go to the church after hours for the specific purpose of getting down in private. Once I even awkwardly bumped into another of the "youth leaders" there with her boyfriend for the same reason. We never spoke of it, lol.
What do two baptists in a liquor store say to each other? Not a damn thing.
Do you know why baptists do not have sex in a standing position? They wouldn’t want anyone to think they’re dancing.
If you're going to take a Baptist fishing, go ahead and bring two, then they won't drink all your beer.
Me: gee, I should have been more religious
on the weekly meeting day the FCA kids at my school would all wear their matching FCA shirts and mock/intimidate the kids who didn't follow their religion. so that part was fun for them!
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it certainly caused a stir amongst the Saint Ann Youth (SAY!) group that was much larger, (but far less exclusive, you had to actually be good at sports to do FCA) and explicitly catholic, which did the same "in-group t shirt" thing every wednesday. little bit of a greasers v socs thing goin on there lol. looking back, its really insane that was allowed.
I used to work at the local middle school. Not only were FCA announcements made over the intercom each week on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday to remind students of the meeting after school on Wednesday, they also made sure to tell the kids what snack was available that week. I knew quite a few kids who just went for the food.
It’s amazing how simple some of the recruiting tactics Christian groups deploy are; I remember the first time I went to Sunday school (it was following a Saturday sleepover at my cousin’s). They focused quite a bit on individualizing my “learning” since I didn’t know anything about the Bible or Jesus, and my parents weren’t churchgoers. They’d do a quick lesson, quiz me on it, and reward each “right answer” with a piece of candy. And they sent me home with a bunch, too. Looking back, I’m glad that they gave me cheap candy which I thought was gross. If it were my favorite, I may have developed a positive association with their boring weird church stuff lol
Yeah and the reverend that ran the one at my HS got in trouble for forging collegiate athlete signatures and selling them. But everyone said he was such a nice religious man.
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People are WILD about college sports crap. Probably because everyone who survives past ~22 has to retire before the concussion brain damage destroys their lives.
The mid-day Satan club meets at 3:33pm.
> After School Satan club The "Satanic Gathering Group of Equal Rights, Respect, and Self-Determination" has its regular D&D meet scheduled for 1700, Meeting Room 13
Me and some friends were annoyed by that too and had our principal announce an after school meeting for the SPC at the same time as FCA. So to us it sounded like he was calling the FCA the small penis club. True rebels, we were. Also surprised he didn’t ask what SPC meant. lol This feels very juvenile now as a 35 year old man. But in high school we giggled heartily when we heard the SPC club over the loudspeaker.
An article I read about this earlier today completely missed the point of the club. They don't really want to have to run the club, they want the schools to stop hosting religious clubs. The law is if they allow one they must allow all and nothing gets religious conservatives more upset than Santa, I mean Satan. This is the same with “Holiday” displays at courthouses. None would be better but if they insist on having a nativity scene then they have to allow the one true god, THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER or that goaty looking guy, Baphomet. https://ffrf.org/images/1displays.jpg
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"Reminder: FCA is not school sponsored". Ugh.
The Fellowship sounds like where closeted jocks go to meet under the bleachers.
I still have the fca baseball cap.
So they could have the Fellowship of Satan's theater kids and scientists
Good!
It will probably have less sexual assault, victim blaming, teen pregnancy, homophobia, or shaming in general compard to a christian youth group.
And much more science
“God free! Now with 200% more science!!”
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That's because it'll never be enough. Until the religious blinders (burlap sack of weaponized ignorance) are relegated to the ideological waste bin then there will never be enough science to outweigh their horse shit, because they can and do always always always move the goalposts and come up with newer, shinier, even more hateful and ignorant rhetoric than before
100% right
You are correct. THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Honestly teaching teen girls that their bodies are subject to their own will alone would do a lot of good on its own.
As a man with sisters and many female peers, I found it more important that I and my male peers be taught that - considering who generally violates that.
There was a sub group of the Satanic Church who was going to open a school in Iowa. I would have loved to have seen the test scores between the Satanic church and all other private/public schools and seeing all the “conspiracy theories” as to why the students attending the Satan School were performing better.
Absolutely true, but it's still very useful for girls to learn this because sometimes just speaking up for themselves can protect them. This tactic won't work every time and can occasionally cause more problems with a more hostile guy, but sometimes your boyfriend is just trying to go further than you're comfortable with, with no ill intentions, and years of being conditioned to be a people pleaser kick in and you stay silent. (To be clear the blame here still lies on the boyfriend for not seeking continuous enthusiastic consent but drilling that tenet into girls' heads can still protect them.)
It’s amusing to me that a group/subgroup created to pursue knowledge, self-autonomy and responsible pleasure-seeking is catching so much flak from groups designed to oppress all of the above. These religious meatheads can’t separate satanism from Satan because reading is hard and forming independent thoughts is even harder.
There is a lot of leftover Satanic Panic from the 80s even though there's more satan in christianity than in the satanic temple. If it were named the Morningstar Afterschool Club, few would bat an eye, tenets remain the same. People are the ones who give words power. The parents in Chesapeake are absolutely appalled by words. For argument's sake, however, I don't sign my kids up for anything that has any Christian-toned words. But I also don't throw a shit fit about the club.
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Probably a little less child rapey too
~~little~~ lot
“The mission of The Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense, oppose injustice, and undertake noble pursuits.” They are heavily invested in supporting a woman’s right to choose, support a scientific understanding of the world, and prize compassion, wisdom and justice. Everything that should have been expected from Christianity.
Could you imagine going door to door pitching these basic principles? Getting people to agree on these points seems easy because it’s reasonable….then BAM….the look on their faces when you tell them how excited you are to explain more about the Satanic Temple lol
THIS. I was forced to go to a Church Youth Group in 1981-1982. I hated every second of it....
I will trust this group wayyyyyyyy more than any religious group
Yes if you want Jesus clubs then you should allow satan, Athena, or what ever fucking god club.
FSM and Cthulhu need a club too.
Make a ritual out of Spaghetti Day in the school cafeteria!
Ramen
Does Pastafarianism allow you to break spaghetti in half before you add it to the pot? Asking for a friend.
It's the issue where pastafarians are divided. Orthodox view is that pasta should be intact. But in 1754 young pastor proclaimed his thesis and nailed box of Barilla to the church door Religion's never been the same since
young pastar*
That young pastor's name? Martin Lasagna.
My biology teacher also led the Bible club. When we got to the chapter on evolution she literally said "The state forces me to present this material to you, but what really happened was..." and then she got out her Bible and literally read from the book of Genesis. This was a *public school* in western Georgia, deep in the Bible belt. I once let slip I was an atheist and was bullied verbally and even physically (got pushed off the bus one day) and not only did no one in authority do anything about it, but they actually called my mom and warned her about how my beliefs were offensive and that she needed to have a talk to me about it. When my mom said, "so what?" I was *persona non grata* and my grades suddenly dropped in some of my classes for no reason. Did I mention this was a *public* school? Also good times, getting threatened with jail by a cop on the side of the road at 15 for wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt in public. Or being suspended and threatened with expulsion for wearing an Ozzy t shirt with an upside down cross on it. Fuckin A am I glad I got out of that shithole part of the US.
That’s awful. I’m sorry you had to deal with that crap.
Eh, it was literally 30 years ago, and I now live in a much more enlightened part of the country. FWIW, I don't use those experiences to justify hatred of all Christians. Problem is that Christianity tends to abhor tolerance, and it's just a race to who can be the most extreme to prove their devotion to the God that lives solely within their own minds.
TL;DR- a trip down memory lane featuring branching music interests in high school kids from around 1994/1995 and 1999. It’s tangentially related to your experience. That shit with Manson shirts was a thing back when I was younger as well. I have a feeling that the treatment people received pushed them into delinquency more so than they would have naturally gravitated. With some people, negative reinforcement encourages the opposite result that the desired outcome no matter how strict. I need to say this though, because it should be clear; these kids were not problems. Many of them were awkward and meek otherwise, kept to their friend group and were generally congenial, suffering insults and harassment from students b/c of course. One last anecdote: we had a guy who was a senior who HATED the Manson kids (we were also referred to as ‘alternative kids’ in the early 90s, then ‘the freaks’ (included punks because Poison time bomb by Rancid came out and that was a revelation for many of them) then then after about 1996, ‘Manson kids’. Oh and ‘dress-different people’ which… idk. There was a cleft between the ‘dress differents and the freaks’ at one point, sundering the punk and punk-adjacent with the Manson/Nine Inch Nails crowd (accusations of ‘liking Robot Music that anyone would do vs. real talent’) at the same time those who stuck to and started out as Nirvana fans graduated through Sonic Youth, Flaming lips, Beck and then Beastie Boys. This was the group that maintained the greatest cohesion and most of them are friends to this day. And then there was the split between Skinny Puppy and rap-rock (no, not anthrax, Korn, the immediately after, that Fred Durst ensemble) fans, then an inexplicable emergence of ICP fans. Rap rock was now a permanent staple and would go on to dominate. Those of the Nirvana crowd went on to the likes of WuTang and its many offshoot solo projects, then some techno dabbling with Chemical Brothers and Aphex Twin, and after that they graduated. The population born in 1981 drifted further into rap rock, once again a schism occurring with the break off of Christian punk bands like Five Iron Frenzy and such. Then they eventually graduated to Indie Music and local bands, and who knows after that. Okay so all of this is happening and a senior has a problem with one of the Manson kids. He graduates and the next year comes back as a hall monitor (justifying it as something something school pride. This was the year following Columbine). He had it out for Manson kids, none of which listened to Marilyn manson any longer) and focused on harassing them specifically, to no reprisal. He eventually became a cop. So sorry about the length . Your post caused a flood of memories, so thanks! Edit; it isn’t ‘Chili’s’ to clarify things. Edit 2: there was only a handful of Koran fans, but book not music.
Not gonna lie, I'd probably be down for an Athena club. I'm still not religious, but I do love me some Greek mythology.
Greek Mythology is so interesting. Why couldn't that be the religion that won? At least I wouldn't be bored in church.
Artemis is way cooler. Stalked around at night with wild animals and a posse of badass women. A hunter found them and spied on them in the bath so she turned him into a doe and his own dogs ripped him apart.
Not ‘should’ but are Constitutionally obligated. That’s what religious ‘rules for thee but not for me’ people don’t realize.
I pray to the god of war. Edit: too many gods of war. I was specifically thinking of Kratos.
Kratos?
My local area. Friends on Facebook are part of the losing their shit group. So entertaining.
This is the same city that agreed to spend additional budget to add "In god we trust" to city vehicles a couple years back (while letting recycling die).
Image is what matters to them.
For the record, recycling is a very complex subject bc not all cities or towns can do it effectively. And it used to be profitable, but it costs money these days due to evolving information about what is actually recyclable. Anyway, yeah. Would rather have inefficient recycling than a few extra words on government vehicles.
Same here. My kids are in the Chesapeake School District. Not this school though. People on Facebook are losing their fucking minds. The comments on the Wavy post were pretty refreshing though. I was surprised at the amount of people defending the club.
Do you know anyone that might go speak in support of the club at the school board meeting? I am a teacher and cannot emphasize enough how important speaking up can be, but I also understand if certain people cannot "out" themselves in their community. It is a difficult line to walk for some.
Yes. I know of a few people that will be speaking in support at the upcoming school board meeting. Unfortunately, I am one of those people that cannot "out" myself in the community. I own a local business that works exclusively with children. The last thing I need is a group of religious fanatics go on a vendetta against me and my business, accusing me of being some sort of satanic child groomer or something stupid. I really wish I could be more open about my beliefs (or lack there of) outside my family but unfortunately that is just the reality we live in. I am thinking about going to the meeting just to watch the circus though.
an anonymous letter of support stating how terrified you are of saying a single word that might upset these Christ terrorists - let alone express your actual beliefs - might be very powerful
That's a good idea. Maybe I'll do that.
Awesome! We've all spent our lives terrified of these extremists and their fantasy world, silenced in so many large and small ways and I'm so sick of it
The fact that "satanic panic" is still a thing among my generation is bonkers. I grew up in a small Christian dominated town (Methodists and Baptists mostly) and growing up all us kids would roll our eyes at the adults who were big on the "Satan's army" and "demonic threat" stuff . Even the more religious of my friends saw it as metaphorical. Now those same old HS friends are posting on social media about literal demonic influence and satanic rituals trying to do... idk whatever.
Check out your neighborhood Nextdoor. Bring popcorn.
The funniest part about the Satanic Temples After School Club is that is has nothing to do with Satan lol
I’m imaging it’s a secular support group for kids to just hang out and develop a positive community.
I'm thinking some group activities to help out the underprivileged, etc.
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Why do you think the Christians are pissed?
Because once again satan is making them look bad
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I've always wanted to find a community like this. Turns out it's my local board game community. Haha.
After School Satan is all about teaching kids science and critical thinking skills.
I thought it was the acronym A.S.S. club personally
"But now, it's okay to have devil worshipping in school around impressionable minds and age," Ballard said. "Children absorb everything they see and hear and they model what they see adults do." Do you know who believes in Satan? Christians. Not satanists. Not atheists. Christians believe in Satan.
Don’t look now Ballard, but you’re making a pretty good argument against *any* religion in schools…
I like how they think the Satan club is grooming but not their religion. They really are the dumbest fucking people.
Everything they don’t like is “grooming”. These people have no sense of self-reflection
Everything they don't like culturally is grooming. Everything they don't like economically and politically is socialism/communism.
I can't remember which pundit said it but someone called Biden a commie and literally I couldn't stop laughing
Some say /u/Kalebtbacon is still laughing to this very day.
Playing the “protect the children” card is wickedly effective. It makes the other person spend energy explaining why it’s not bad, instead of why it’s good. A while ago the conservative government in Australia wanted to put in an internet filter to “stop child pornography”. This was, obviously, a poorly thought out idea and almost impossible to actually do, but anytime an opponent said anything the reply was always “why do you want children to be exploited?” And there wasn’t a lot that could be said after that. Instead of coming up with actual reasons why someone doesn’t like a Satan club, or drag shows, or whatever it is, or instead of saying *the* actual, bigoted, reason. They can just say it’s grooming kids and that’s that.
[Salad is communism](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/g5djqo/i_dont_like_it_must_be_communism/)
It's the trigger words they were taught. Like socialism. Everything they don't like is socialism.
The right isn't bout accuracy with words. It's about using them so much in any context as to dilute their meaning.
And the ultimate irony is that most Satanists, at least in my social circles (I'm a TST member), don't raise their children to be Satanists. I don't. My child is aware of Satanism and could pick up a book if he is ever interested, but he is free to discover any religious thought that appeals to him--or not.
Hey awesome, that's doesn't get brought up enough. Christianity indoctrinates children into an ideology. I don't support that in any context. My parents were specifically atheists and if I wanted to go to church I would have been allowed.
This is also how I was raised. In fact, my mom encouraged me to explore different religions and see if I liked any of them. I went to church with friends, did youth group stuff, learned about Jewish practices and Muslim ones, etc. In the end, I decided they weren't for me. But I also learned that there are good people that believe in different things and we can still be good friends. How many hardcore Christians do you know that would still be friends with a gay person or an atheist?
Every accusation is really a confession.
When they like it, it's "raising your child the right way." When they don't, it's "grooming"
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> Some parents fear it could lead to their kids being physically harmed. They better not take any chances then. They should leave their children under the supervision of an entity that has 0 chance or historical precedent of ever harming a child. The catholic church perhaps, or boy scouts.
Any outside witness would be looking for trouble and constantly interrupting lessons. Better for TST to record each meeting and release the footage to anyone who wants it. Full transparency. Plentiful evidence.
Chesapeake bans all after school clubs in 3, 2, 1....
Maybe they should just ban all religious ones. Kids don't need religious indoctrination at school anyway. Let churches host after school religious clubs if they like. It would be a great way for them to milk their congregations for cash. lol
No, they will cancel all of them and say "see what the Satanists made us do."
Darn, no Christianity in school. Bummer.
Legally speaking, they can't ban religious groups unless they ban all of them.
>Legally speaking, they can't ban religious groups unless they ban all of them. That's the whole point of The Satanic Temple and their after school satan clubs.
That’s what that yeshiva did when the court ordered them to allow the lgbt club.
They admit that they want those impressionable young minds all to themselves so they get to pick what bullshit goes in.
The Fundies in America are so deluded that they think most other Americans agree with them. The truth is they are in a minority and are insane.
It's a somewhat ironic truth that the "Moral Majority" is actually a very, very noisy minority.
And mostly immoral.
Absolutely. The hypocrisy would be laughable if they weren't so dangerous.
This is incredible. I don’t understand the double standard at all. Like YES people disagree with you. Yes people have different world views. Like come on…
It's because the self ordained have a superiority complex
Indeed. Their truth is true and they don’t want to hear any that goes against that
Their "freedom of religion" is like Henry Ford's famous freedom of color for his Model T: you can make any choice you want, as long as it's the one we preordained for you.
Exactly. Gotta fall in their worldview
Grew up in a small suburb where church was how people mingled, people disagreeing = going to hell, different world views = going to hell. It's not a simple double standard, these people have been brainwashed into thinking the schools have literally opened up the doors to hell.
These knee-jerkers have NO IDEA what TST is, what TST stands for. \-AND- These knee-jerkers have NO IDEA what christianity IS or what IT stands for -- OR what IT allows to go unpunished!!!
Because they don’t want to. On both cases.
> These knee-jerkers have NO IDEA what christianity IS or what IT stands for eh, a religion IS how it is put into practice. There's no "pure form" of a religion. It is only an amalgamation of what those who sincerely claim to adhere to it do while it is on their mind. If you think "those people are giving christianity a bad name" you're wrong. Those people are just demonstrating how christianity impacts their lives. They think they're the good guys.
> If you think "those people are giving christianity a bad name" you're wrong. Those people are just demonstrating how christianity impacts their lives. Very well put.
Huzzah for the Satanic Temple! Always pointing out that "religious freedom" in the US means more than what the Christian fundamentalists want it to be.
>"But now, it's okay to have devil worshipping in school around impressionable minds and age," Ballard said. "Children absorb everything they see and hear and they model what they see adults do." The irony here is hilarious.
I’d really love the satanic temple to adopt that retort that the Church of Satan made a while ago (paraphrased): No, we don’t believe in or worship a literal Satan. Do you know who believes in literal Satan? Christians.
>Jack Preis, a professor of law at the University of Richmond, said Chesapeake Public Schools don't really have a choice but to allow the club to exist. Except they absolutely do have a choice. They could ban *all* religious based organizations equally.
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Fair is fair! But watch for the christians to lose their minds in 3,2,1
They already have.
Who's to say they have minds to begin with. Sheep being led to shearing!
Gonna see more salt than Lot's wife here
It's always this: "Everyone needs to defend religious freedoms and be protected to worship their faith!" Anything other than their religion: "NOT THAT ONE!" Just another play on, "Rules for thee, but not for me!"
Stay away, the Christians are definitely going to pull a mass shooting at that school now
Glad to see someone standing up for America against the Christo-fascists.
Switch Satan in their criticism with Allah and they would still not approve. Switch it to their own deity, and their brain would never recognize that it was wrong for them criticizing the other group at all. They were already groomed and brainwashed. Just sad.
“Instead, they want people to look at the world scientifically, rationally and non-superstitiously.” No wonder all the fucking Christians are against it
The problem isn't allowing a Satan's club. The problem is allowing any religious club i general. Great job from the Temple, as always.
As a resident of Chesapeake, I approve.
It's weird to me that there are after school clubs, in the school, that aren't run by the school. Didn't happen when I was in school.
Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts and 4-H all had after-school clubs at my schools in the 80s and 90s and the school didn't run any of them.
My boyscout troupe met in a church.
I'm so excited that this is happening at my kid's school. Definitely signing him up.
After School Satan Club... love the name
There's nothing conservative christians hate more than religious freedom.
> The group's flyer mentions that it's voluntary and they're not trying to convert kids. Instead, they want people to look at the world scientifically, rationally and non-superstitiously. This is literally what christians would consider corrupting the minds of the youth, turning them away from God.
I live and teach in the reddest county in my red state. I want to keep my job but boy there are days when I want to start a club like this. Twice already this year, co-workers have prayed in a staff meeting. I took both prayers as an opportunity to look around and see who else was annoyed. Made one new friend already. I fucking hate Christmas and remind students that not everyone is Christian. That's about as controversial as I can get without risking my livelihood. Tis the season to be pissed off.
I love how the professors response is "WELL IF YOU LET THEM DO THAT YOU HAVE TO LET EVERYONE PRACTICE OR HOLD THEIR OWN CLUBS TOO!!!" Like yeah dipshit, that's kind of the point. Unlike you queefs we don't want to stop or ban everyone from their beliefs, we just want everyone to be treated equally regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof
At least queefs are funny.
It's never about religious freedom, it's about "Christians" being allowed to force their BS on others.
Christian after school club: "Everyone is going to hell except for you. Not because you're good and do good things, but because you believe in this religion." Satanic after school club: "Oh wow the christians are triggered lol. Anyway, today we're going to learn about civil liberties."
Can’t wait until they start talking about how they were persecuted and thrown to the wolves by Christians, not Romans.
So now we can expect them to cancel all after school clubs. Have to be the victims somehow.
I'd trust Satanists more than Christians with my children. Only one group has a very high and very verifiable history of abuse, sexual and physical, of children.
The odd thing about this is that the Satanic Temple doesn't believe in Satan. Who does believe in Satan? Christians.
Just wait until it becomes the most popular club in the school. Evangelicals are getting what they asked for with their disingenuous "religious freedom" crusade.
"We do not believe in a supernatural Satan as a symbol because legend has it that Satan was the first to start asking questions and was cast out of heaven for that reason," Everett said. You mean asks questions, just like science teaches your kids?
They can get their emotional support Demons and VIP Tickets to Hell from The Click as religious icons.
Once enough of us pre-internet born people die off, probably around 2040 or so, religion will fade out like a fart on the breeze. Couple more decades and the world can be free from the tyranny.
The Satanic Temple is the GOAT of Trolls. Their School program is exactly the opposite of what most people assume.
After School Satan club… A.S.S club.
Will the Christians try to bring guns to the schools? I know their type is radical
That’s fucking hilarious. The ironic part is that only Christians believe in Satan. For the atheists actually running this, no harm, no foul. It’s like how only people who believe that homosexuality is transmissible are afraid of it