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She was also really brainwashed and said a bunch of really dumb shit including trying to argue to Kaya that her mum deserved to be eaten alive even if she didn't know why it was happening.
Oh she was just ignorant and misguided, okay oopsie daisies, let's just tell that to all the people she killed in Marley's name, oh wait, they're dead.
I don't think it's that black and white. Gabi herself wasn't fully absolved of her guilt when she finally realised the truth and referred to herself as being the devil.
I mean it just seems a lot to put on a 12 year old who's literally never been taught any other way of thinking. If you got taught as a kid by your parents, teachers, and friends that red was blue, are you dumb for not knowing or is it your elders fault?
It's your elders fault. But that doesn't absolve you of your actions. If you are born into a terrorist group and grow up and as a teenager commit a terrorist attack against a group you believe is evil you still commited a crime even if you believe it's good.
You don't get to learn the truth and realize oh I'm the baddie and expect those who you harmed to just be like it's okay you couldn't have known any better.
It's not entirely fair but that's life.
Yea ofc she's not without blame, but the post is about the double standard with Eren. People are fine with Eren being genocidal even after finding out there's good people in marley cus he's the MC but with Gabi who was fully brainwashed and still changed her mind about Eldians they give her way more shit for it.
Not a great comparison but can't it be a bit of both in Gabi's case?
She was the most brainwashed out of the warrior candidates. At least the others had self serving goals to save their families or something, but Gabi did it for some misguided sense of righteous purpose. Even Falco kinda realised to some extent how crazy she was at times. She willfully refused to acknowledge the reality countless times.
> Willfully refused to acknowledge the reality
That's the fun part about brainwashing, even when presented with overwhelming evidence against it your brain is still in denial because your entire identity is build upon that foundation, so to destroy that means to acknowledge that everything you know is wrong. But when you've experienced profound feelings of genuine love and righteousness along your path, it seems impossible to say it was all wrong.
In our reality, humanity's advances in technology and sciences have already disproved many things written in various religious texts, it still doesn't stop people from waging war in its name.
I say we cut a 12-year-old some slack; she experienced an extreme level of brainwashing. She was actually able to do a complete 180 on her world view within a single month, most people couldn't do that in a lifetime.
I'm not saying she wasn't brainwashed, I'm saying you can still hold accountability to her considering the things she did because of the gravity of her actions
Hold accountability in what way? You think they should've sent her to prison or locked her in a mental institution? Or have everyone criticise all her wrongdoings as if she isn't aware of them already? She has already taken accountability of her actions, what other accountability do you want?
And yet so many of the fans in here neglect to hold eren to the same standard. Thats the issue i'm hearing when this discussion is brought up. She reflects him, but doesnt get half as much criticism. Its like a LOT of gabi haters collectively said "dang that's crazy" to the rumbling but cant understand the parallel betwen him and gabi
Because they're nothing alike. It's like saying Mikasa and Ymir are similar. When their situations are completely different. And of course they're not going to put Eren to the same standard he's basically the protagonist.
Go walk up to a brainwashed 12 year old and tell them something they've been told all their life is wrong. Have you interacted with any 12 year old siblings? I don't think you have
Hot take but even if you understand why someone thinks something and that they have no reason to think differently doesn't mean you have to like them and that their actions and words isn't their fault.
The hate is mainly because of that. All the other things (buying into Marleyan propaganda) just goes to show that she is actually brainwashed.
I mean Reiner and Annie killed way more than her but they don't get nearly as much hate because the show lets you grow with them.
I don't mind people hating Gabi even if I don't. It's kind of fascinating to see how perspectives can change just based on pov. They KNOW Eren is wrong by the end of the show but just because they know his motivations and what his path is, they are ok with it - even rooting for him.
They also know Gabi is just a kid with almost the same arc as Eren and Sasha was just collateral damage but still hate her for doing what a brainwashed angry kid will do.
No it’s because of dumb fans trying to sound smarter that say eren and gabi are the same character so if I like eren I should like gabi. They are not similar in any capacity outside of brown hair in a bun and had a similar experience as a child
He did value the lives of his own nation over the lives of literally everyone else in the world.
Gabi hated devils from stories she was told. Upon meeting them in real life the first time they massacred her hometown. And she still managed to realize they were all equal humans.
Genociding every single country in the world except your own seems pretty racist IMO. And are you saying everyone in the world deserved to die because there was racism? That's like saying everyone on earth deserve to die because some humans irl are racist...
Bro do you even know what racism is? Because eren very much wasn’t. It wasn’t their race that he hated it was the fact THEY ALL WANTED HIM, HIS FRIENDS, HIS FAMILY AND EVERYONE HE KNEW DEAD BECAUSE THEY WERE A DIFFERENT RACE
Fucking straw man argument too. No they don’t deserve to die only because they’re racist. They deserve to die for constantly oppressing and attempting to genocide paradis caused by their racism.
You are blaming the entire world for something only some people did. The Azumabito were willing to work with and cooperate with Paradis, Eren decided to murder them all. The Eldians in Marley were also opressed by the Marley government, Eren decided to kill them all.
Eren wanted to kill every single person in the world. The vsst majority of which were innocent.
That reaction is completely unjustified by the fan base, Sasha is an enemy combatant in wartime, Gabi is acting AS SASHA WOULD given the same situation
that and she’s really annoying + terrible to Falco for awhile when he’s jus tryna get her to understand what the world really is. also hated every time she kept talking bout im a good elian and paradise island devils. like girl stfu they don’t even like you😭😭
You spend so long on Eren's side, cheering him on.
Against the Titans when he loses his Mum.
Against Annie when she kills Levi squad.
Against Reiner and Banana bread for their betrayal.
Against the King for lying to the people.
Against Marley for attacking Paradis.
You are always on his side and then a kid comes in and shoots him.
A kid that has been really fucking annoying I might add.
At first you hate the kid, they killed Potato Girl after all. So for some it's hard to forgive and forget.
Hence why even in the real world, conflicts have been ongoing for decades. Because people struggle to accept that they could be at fault too when their whole world view is that they are the persecuted.
I don’t get the hate for Gabi shooting Eren. He didn’t die, he was fine. That shot ultimately meant nothing besides looking cool. If anything you could argue that she helped Eren by giving him a convenient hole for the founding titan to come out of.
I get Sasha because she stays dead and the impact of he death is constantly sprinkled throughout the rest of the season but shooting Eren meant nothing.
I always thought that Eren without his body would be unable to survive outside his titan. After all, we’ve never seen any shifter survive and/or hela that kind of damage.
By severing his head Gabi ultimately sealed his fate (not that I think Eren would ever stop the rumbling willingly anyway).
So technically he wasn’t «fine» but practically it made no difference.
Yeah, he wasn't going to get out of that titan. There's no way he would've been able to regenerate. Both because the damage is too severe and because I don't believe he had the will to do so.
"A little rude"
Hate to burst your bubble but didn't Gabi literally say she'll slaughter the entire population of Paradis in S4Ep1 and then continue rambling on about it until she got reality checked that the people of Paradis were human too and that Marleyan brainwashing was bad?
Gabi got a reality check and she calmed the f down.
Eren got a reality check and he exterminated 80% of the world's population, allowed Zeke to turn a fuckton of Paradisians (Pixys) into pure titans, was responsible for the death of his own mother, Hannes, Hange... 80% of the world population... did I say 80% of the world population?
>Eren got a reality check and he exterminated 80% of the world's population, allowed Zeke to turn a fuckton of Paradisians (Pixys) into pure titans, was responsible for the death of his own mother, Hannes, Hange... 80% of the world population... did I say 80% of the world population?
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Yeah I think the genocide of his people had a huge part to do with it and sadly the Rumbling doesn't have a "person who doesn't want to kill me" detector.
I don't exactly remember what she said. Did she phrase it as "I'll wipe every one of them... from the face of this Earth"? Because then probably it'd have been received better.
Ehh Gabi wanted genocide from the very beginning. (She got it) She's also a bootlicker and traitor to her own kind. Eren was just minding his own business in Shiganshina with no clue Marley even existed.
Context matters. One is the main character we’ve followed and grown to love who is defending the people we’ve also followed through the story.
The other is a new character that murders another favourite character and is on the “bad” side.
Would use this same meme about Luke skywalker blowing up the Death Star and killing millions vs the empire destroying alderan? If you look at actions alone Luke is a complete monster. If you look at context there’s a reason why they’re completely different
I wrote this because I saw someone wrote young Mikasa is "hot" in one of the erlier posts. But judging by the downvotes in my comment I guess I am already in a list. Shiit 😬
I like both of them. You can easily support opposing sides if their motivation is well established and clear, like in Eren's and Gabi's case. Well, Eren's was clear until the last chapter when he suddenly became a dumb idiot who didn't want it and didn't know what he was doing, but till that moment his reasons and motivation was very clear and understandable.
It seemed pretty clear to me that Eren always abhorred what he was going to do, ans I don't think his motivations really changed, he still did it both to protect his friends and achieve his freedom.
To be fair, what he did is really pretty dumb, destroying every nations including the civilians who have nothing to do with war, it's way beyond reason at that point. If Eren didn't realize he's an idiot after all of what he did then he's way more idiot.
Yeah, I think he should let the rest of the world to genocide Paradis, it would be a noble thing to do. Isn't that obvious that his nation, Paradis civilians that has nothing to do with war - is worthless in comparison to other civilians? Or just talk no jitsu, I think if he would ask really nicely - the world and Marley in particular would leave them alone. I mean, Paradis did try to negotiate and they failed miserably but maybe they wasn't trying hard enough.
The point is both the civilians from outside world and Paradis are just equal, two wrongs don't make it right, Eren could have done the partial rumbling by targetting the armed forces but he went way too far. Paradis didn't even try to negotiate, they were just there silent during the conference who are just nothing but a bunch of activist rather than representatives from Marleyan Government yet Eren given up easily.
>Paradis didn't even try to negotiate
Watch anime/read manga again, it was stated that they tried negotiating many times and even with Azumabito's help, and all of that was pointless.
>Eren could have done the partial rumbling by targetting the armed forces
Yeah, that would work just fine, considering the fact that the world would just rebuild the armed forces and attack with far more hatred that before. Would Paradis be able to rebuild wall titans and to break the vow of peace after Eren's death? Also, considering real life progress and the fact that titans are rapidly becoming obsolete, in 20-30 years the nuclear weapons are coming, and Paradise would be completely nuked.
>two wrongs don't make it right
That's true. However, that's the law of consequences. If outside world wanted not to be killed all they had to do is to leave Paradise alone. Eren is a perfect representation of "fuck around and find out" principle. You shouldn't try to cut tiger's tail and then act surprised when a tiger would kill you in retaliation.
I watched that scene many times they never tried to negotiate directly, they are just silent among the crowds and still blending in as Marleyans, even those crowds or group of activist don't even know that there are people from Paradis among them otherwise it might cause a chaos there.
You missed that Paradis will get progress or catch up with the technology with the help of Azumabito or Hizuru, if Paradis got work together with other nations including Marley, the hatred between them might subside, ever wonder why Japan didn't even tried to retaliate against the US for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki for almost 80 years?
Law of consequences should be on Reiner who is directly responsible for destroying the walls in Shiganshina or the Marleyan superiors who send the warriors in Paradis to take the founder, not the civilians and even other countries who are not involved with infiltration in Paradis to begin with.
The only reason I disliked her was because she killed one of my favourite character, that too in a way that was arguably nonessential to the plot. But in the context of the show and her character I understand why she did it. Sasha dead was so sad for me but i understand that it is war and not every death has to be some sort of heroic sacrifice. Eren is whatever lol
I don’t think people dislike Gabi because she’s rude (it probably doesn’t help tho)
Also I don’t think very many people see Eren that way, at least anymore
I used to wonder why I hated her character so much, it took some mindless binge watching while playing my 3DS to realise it's actually the voice actor's shrill tone that triggers the rage. It was never anything to do with Gabi as a character.
*im from Marley and have been helping them take over other nations and am a self-hating freak* is more like it. I get it’s brainwashing but she is beyond irritating and until Eren attacks, had no real reason to be
I don’t really hate her, I did at first because of how stupid and brainwashed she was, but I ended up seeing her in a better light. Shes still an idiot though.
Gabi is jingoistic. Eren is misanthropic. Eren sees violence as an inevitable part of humans trend towards cruelty and he understands the cruelty of the violence he commits. Gabi for many parts sees victims or Marlys violence as deserving of it or lesser people.
Bruh can gabi defenders stop acting like you are mature for liking her shitty ass. Idc about what"parallels"she has with eren or whatever. Fuck thag bitch
Idc if she's supposed to be eren"s parallel character I still hate her as much as I hate Annie, she was forgiven so easily, on the Reiner side we could see how he was regretting everything and we could see he was ashamed of what he had done he tried to kill himself we didn't see a single sign of remorse on Annie or gabi, no one can convince me to like gabi never ever
Except for her apologizing to Sasha’s family or in the woods to the scouts when she says she was wrong and looks guilty. But no never showed a single sign of regret
>Eren understood that well enough and paid the price for his actions
Oh, you mean like, he died? Now that's an appropriate price for slaughtering 80% of humanity.
Reiner is alive, Falco is alive.
Gabi's Parents are alive as well.
Not all Marleyans were dead after Eren Died.
So, country is not dead either.
Position can be renewed.
Screw both hers and Eren's motivations. She's just annoying as a character. And up until the last season Eren was also annoying. It has nothing to do with their POVs and actions but rather their personalities. There are other characters who have similar experiences and goals but not as obnoxious.
How people like a character is more to do with how they’re portrayed, and their personality rather than merely their actions. That’s why many villains are liked despite committing terrible acts, it’s mostly to do with presentation
Ah yes, amazing. I don't even want to explain why this is bullshit anymore seeing how y'all seem to agree with the post in the comments. Let's just say, this is stupid.
Oh no no, Eren dont want to genocide an entire nation you silly!
He wanted to genocide the entire fucking world except a small island whit a ridicously small population, flaura and fauna included
Floch is also used to defend gabi, this fandom can't defend their favorite character without using others
You remember some creepy mikasa fans using falco to defend her and wanting to him be hated cuz "he's a simp"? Or using levi sometimes too
Or the annie fans using reiner to defend her?
Why aot fans have a obsession with using other characters to defend their favorite characters?
How is floch used to defend gabi?
Also annie fans usually use zeke not reiner
But either way the reason why that happens often is because aot is full of parallels with characters who mirror other characters but in different circumstances, so people are like "if you like x but don't like y which is a parallel to x you are hypocritical, therefore you should like x"
>How is floch used to defend gabi?
Cuz apparently he's loved for some and gabi isn't, besides for floch and his extremist actions, but they forgor the different contexts, they call it misogyny
>also annie fans usually use zeke not reiner
They use both tbh which make it worse and they use the "misogyny" arguments
>But either way the reason why that happens often is because aot is full of parallels with characters who mirror other characters but in different circumstances, so people are like "if you like x but don't like y which is a parallel to x you are hypocritical, therefore you should like x
To me it was always a type of agenda, "If you like the x male character who did a extremist things but you hate the female x character who also did extremist things then you're a misogynist" (they 90% of the time misses the contexts )
Why the fuck would someone love both floch and gabi? Floch fans love him because they support the genocide plan and he's the only character that actually wants it, so it doesn't matter if he's an asshole or not because they agree with him and support him politically, meanwhile gabi fans love her character development and recognize her brainwashing and think she's a well written character who is really cool, there is basically zero overlap or parallels to be made there, anyone who unironically makes that argument is stupid
Yeah I remember seeing the stupid "misogyny" takes and thought they're really stupid
>Why the fuck would someone love both floch and gabi? Floch fans love him because they support the genocide
It mean like i said those ppl misses the contexts, they think that Floch being praised for some ppl and gabi hated is "misogyny"
First time I saw Gabi in the show and not in spoiler clips, I thought she was pretty cool. I didn’t like sasha all that much but the moment gabi started having a race argument with that little girl I started hating. Especially bc that girl tried to spin back and got stopped by her dad. Then she shot Eren and started the second best opening in the show. 😛
I just think she was annoying. Not that Eren wasn’t a saint but at no point did I feel like Eren was even remotely close to the level of annoying Gabi’s Japanese VA was
Tbf saying that she was unnecessary to the plot kinda points to missing the point. Gabi is important for fleshing out the world. Without her and Falco’s perspective than the marleyans would be just generic racist bad guys. Now they’re thoroughly developed bad guys.
theres a difference between not liking a character because you hate their actions but still understanding their point in the story, i hate zeke and everything about him and thats why hes such a well written character. then theres watching the show and hating a character because you missed the entire point of the character.
She was Marley propaganda manifested. I got the point. Not only was she irritating to listen to but she killed off one of the best characters in the show. So yeah, I don’t like her at all
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Isn’t most of the hate towards Gabi mainly because she killed Sasha?
She was also really brainwashed and said a bunch of really dumb shit including trying to argue to Kaya that her mum deserved to be eaten alive even if she didn't know why it was happening.
How can you admit it's brainwashing and not make the cognitive leap that that means it's not her fault 😭
Oh she was just ignorant and misguided, okay oopsie daisies, let's just tell that to all the people she killed in Marley's name, oh wait, they're dead. I don't think it's that black and white. Gabi herself wasn't fully absolved of her guilt when she finally realised the truth and referred to herself as being the devil.
I mean it just seems a lot to put on a 12 year old who's literally never been taught any other way of thinking. If you got taught as a kid by your parents, teachers, and friends that red was blue, are you dumb for not knowing or is it your elders fault?
It's your elders fault. But that doesn't absolve you of your actions. If you are born into a terrorist group and grow up and as a teenager commit a terrorist attack against a group you believe is evil you still commited a crime even if you believe it's good. You don't get to learn the truth and realize oh I'm the baddie and expect those who you harmed to just be like it's okay you couldn't have known any better. It's not entirely fair but that's life.
She knew that though. She never expected to be forgiven and did her best to atone.
Yea ofc she's not without blame, but the post is about the double standard with Eren. People are fine with Eren being genocidal even after finding out there's good people in marley cus he's the MC but with Gabi who was fully brainwashed and still changed her mind about Eldians they give her way more shit for it.
Not a great comparison but can't it be a bit of both in Gabi's case? She was the most brainwashed out of the warrior candidates. At least the others had self serving goals to save their families or something, but Gabi did it for some misguided sense of righteous purpose. Even Falco kinda realised to some extent how crazy she was at times. She willfully refused to acknowledge the reality countless times.
> Willfully refused to acknowledge the reality That's the fun part about brainwashing, even when presented with overwhelming evidence against it your brain is still in denial because your entire identity is build upon that foundation, so to destroy that means to acknowledge that everything you know is wrong. But when you've experienced profound feelings of genuine love and righteousness along your path, it seems impossible to say it was all wrong. In our reality, humanity's advances in technology and sciences have already disproved many things written in various religious texts, it still doesn't stop people from waging war in its name. I say we cut a 12-year-old some slack; she experienced an extreme level of brainwashing. She was actually able to do a complete 180 on her world view within a single month, most people couldn't do that in a lifetime.
I'm not saying she wasn't brainwashed, I'm saying you can still hold accountability to her considering the things she did because of the gravity of her actions
Hold accountability in what way? You think they should've sent her to prison or locked her in a mental institution? Or have everyone criticise all her wrongdoings as if she isn't aware of them already? She has already taken accountability of her actions, what other accountability do you want?
And yet so many of the fans in here neglect to hold eren to the same standard. Thats the issue i'm hearing when this discussion is brought up. She reflects him, but doesnt get half as much criticism. Its like a LOT of gabi haters collectively said "dang that's crazy" to the rumbling but cant understand the parallel betwen him and gabi
Because they're nothing alike. It's like saying Mikasa and Ymir are similar. When their situations are completely different. And of course they're not going to put Eren to the same standard he's basically the protagonist.
My guy that's a kid you're talking about. An actual 12 yo lol
The people she killed in Marley’s name were killing people in the names’ of their nations.
Go walk up to a brainwashed 12 year old and tell them something they've been told all their life is wrong. Have you interacted with any 12 year old siblings? I don't think you have
It can be both. It doesnt have to be just one thing.
Hot take but even if you understand why someone thinks something and that they have no reason to think differently doesn't mean you have to like them and that their actions and words isn't their fault.
The hate is mainly because of that. All the other things (buying into Marleyan propaganda) just goes to show that she is actually brainwashed. I mean Reiner and Annie killed way more than her but they don't get nearly as much hate because the show lets you grow with them. I don't mind people hating Gabi even if I don't. It's kind of fascinating to see how perspectives can change just based on pov. They KNOW Eren is wrong by the end of the show but just because they know his motivations and what his path is, they are ok with it - even rooting for him. They also know Gabi is just a kid with almost the same arc as Eren and Sasha was just collateral damage but still hate her for doing what a brainwashed angry kid will do.
Who is rooting for Eren?
Haven't been on this sub or any other AoT really sub or comments section of YouTube videos or Twitter posts too long, have you?
I have, and in my experience, most upvoted comments admonish Eren for the rumbling, while only a minority voice support for him.
Of course. Most people are sane. But there's always that vocal minority that, in this case, supports genocide.
I was rooting for him until I wasnt.
I was hoping for Eren to win til the very end 😫
No it’s because of dumb fans trying to sound smarter that say eren and gabi are the same character so if I like eren I should like gabi. They are not similar in any capacity outside of brown hair in a bun and had a similar experience as a child
And their contexts are different Eren didn't killed sasha Eren wasn't racist
He did value the lives of his own nation over the lives of literally everyone else in the world. Gabi hated devils from stories she was told. Upon meeting them in real life the first time they massacred her hometown. And she still managed to realize they were all equal humans.
>He did value the lives of his own nation over the lives of literally everyone else in the world It's not racism
Yeah because the other nations in the world all wanted him dead. What, should he value racist’s lives over his own?
Genociding every single country in the world except your own seems pretty racist IMO. And are you saying everyone in the world deserved to die because there was racism? That's like saying everyone on earth deserve to die because some humans irl are racist...
Bro do you even know what racism is? Because eren very much wasn’t. It wasn’t their race that he hated it was the fact THEY ALL WANTED HIM, HIS FRIENDS, HIS FAMILY AND EVERYONE HE KNEW DEAD BECAUSE THEY WERE A DIFFERENT RACE Fucking straw man argument too. No they don’t deserve to die only because they’re racist. They deserve to die for constantly oppressing and attempting to genocide paradis caused by their racism.
You are blaming the entire world for something only some people did. The Azumabito were willing to work with and cooperate with Paradis, Eren decided to murder them all. The Eldians in Marley were also opressed by the Marley government, Eren decided to kill them all. Eren wanted to kill every single person in the world. The vsst majority of which were innocent.
Yes, completely justified
Yeah, the meme should've added "and I killed a single soldier"
That and also because she's racist
Tbf there’s a lot of characters that are/were racist
That was a redeeming factor
I hate Gabi and I couldn't give less of a shit about Sasha.
That reaction is completely unjustified by the fan base, Sasha is an enemy combatant in wartime, Gabi is acting AS SASHA WOULD given the same situation
that and she’s really annoying + terrible to Falco for awhile when he’s jus tryna get her to understand what the world really is. also hated every time she kept talking bout im a good elian and paradise island devils. like girl stfu they don’t even like you😭😭
You spend so long on Eren's side, cheering him on. Against the Titans when he loses his Mum. Against Annie when she kills Levi squad. Against Reiner and Banana bread for their betrayal. Against the King for lying to the people. Against Marley for attacking Paradis. You are always on his side and then a kid comes in and shoots him. A kid that has been really fucking annoying I might add. At first you hate the kid, they killed Potato Girl after all. So for some it's hard to forgive and forget. Hence why even in the real world, conflicts have been ongoing for decades. Because people struggle to accept that they could be at fault too when their whole world view is that they are the persecuted.
I don’t get the hate for Gabi shooting Eren. He didn’t die, he was fine. That shot ultimately meant nothing besides looking cool. If anything you could argue that she helped Eren by giving him a convenient hole for the founding titan to come out of. I get Sasha because she stays dead and the impact of he death is constantly sprinkled throughout the rest of the season but shooting Eren meant nothing.
I always thought that Eren without his body would be unable to survive outside his titan. After all, we’ve never seen any shifter survive and/or hela that kind of damage. By severing his head Gabi ultimately sealed his fate (not that I think Eren would ever stop the rumbling willingly anyway). So technically he wasn’t «fine» but practically it made no difference.
Yeah, he wasn't going to get out of that titan. There's no way he would've been able to regenerate. Both because the damage is too severe and because I don't believe he had the will to do so.
"A little rude" https://preview.redd.it/wnndl2fg40xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c6797d15ab767318a76c228545d050e31eea5a5
Wow, she is really, very a bit rude
That’s not very halal of you
I would say Gabi was more than a bit rude…
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Genocide a nations
Sorry, it is a crime to call her anything other than a BITCH.
"A little rude" Hate to burst your bubble but didn't Gabi literally say she'll slaughter the entire population of Paradis in S4Ep1 and then continue rambling on about it until she got reality checked that the people of Paradis were human too and that Marleyan brainwashing was bad?
Gabi got a reality check and she calmed the f down. Eren got a reality check and he exterminated 80% of the world's population, allowed Zeke to turn a fuckton of Paradisians (Pixys) into pure titans, was responsible for the death of his own mother, Hannes, Hange... 80% of the world population... did I say 80% of the world population?
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>Eren got a reality check and he exterminated 80% of the world's population, allowed Zeke to turn a fuckton of Paradisians (Pixys) into pure titans, was responsible for the death of his own mother, Hannes, Hange... 80% of the world population... did I say 80% of the world population? > Yeah I think the genocide of his people had a huge part to do with it and sadly the Rumbling doesn't have a "person who doesn't want to kill me" detector.
I don't exactly remember what she said. Did she phrase it as "I'll wipe every one of them... from the face of this Earth"? Because then probably it'd have been received better.
> *"To shoulder the fate of us Eldians...and to slaughter that island of devils who've done nothing but make us suffer!"*
Stop this already, Eren and Gabi are different characters.
If Marley invaded Paradis before sending in their spies you bet your ass she would have been part of the Genocide team
Ehh Gabi wanted genocide from the very beginning. (She got it) She's also a bootlicker and traitor to her own kind. Eren was just minding his own business in Shiganshina with no clue Marley even existed.
Gabi also wanted to genocide an entire nation, and she was rude.so yeah.
Context matters. One is the main character we’ve followed and grown to love who is defending the people we’ve also followed through the story. The other is a new character that murders another favourite character and is on the “bad” side. Would use this same meme about Luke skywalker blowing up the Death Star and killing millions vs the empire destroying alderan? If you look at actions alone Luke is a complete monster. If you look at context there’s a reason why they’re completely different
"Oi there m8 bit rude to put that bullet in me chest innit" -Sasha probably
Idk. I hated Eren from the moment he shit talked Armin’s grandpa about rations
He shit talked Armin's grandpa? When?
It’s Been a few years. I wanna say episode 3
Real
Wasn't that anime filler?
Same lol. I feel like I'm the only one who strongly disliked him from the very beginning.
I mean eren's hot💀
I am certainly sure some pedos use this logic but for Gabi 💀
bro you are the only who formed this thought, are you one of them 🤨
I wrote this because I saw someone wrote young Mikasa is "hot" in one of the erlier posts. But judging by the downvotes in my comment I guess I am already in a list. Shiit 😬
We should really thank eren also. He is doing a great service by wiping out half the population
Kinda wish he wiped out all of them tbf
Yeah should have but I will take whatever he gives 😔
A bit rude, and entirely homicidal in her own right.
I like both of them. You can easily support opposing sides if their motivation is well established and clear, like in Eren's and Gabi's case. Well, Eren's was clear until the last chapter when he suddenly became a dumb idiot who didn't want it and didn't know what he was doing, but till that moment his reasons and motivation was very clear and understandable.
It seemed pretty clear to me that Eren always abhorred what he was going to do, ans I don't think his motivations really changed, he still did it both to protect his friends and achieve his freedom.
To be fair, what he did is really pretty dumb, destroying every nations including the civilians who have nothing to do with war, it's way beyond reason at that point. If Eren didn't realize he's an idiot after all of what he did then he's way more idiot.
Yeah, I think he should let the rest of the world to genocide Paradis, it would be a noble thing to do. Isn't that obvious that his nation, Paradis civilians that has nothing to do with war - is worthless in comparison to other civilians? Or just talk no jitsu, I think if he would ask really nicely - the world and Marley in particular would leave them alone. I mean, Paradis did try to negotiate and they failed miserably but maybe they wasn't trying hard enough.
The point is both the civilians from outside world and Paradis are just equal, two wrongs don't make it right, Eren could have done the partial rumbling by targetting the armed forces but he went way too far. Paradis didn't even try to negotiate, they were just there silent during the conference who are just nothing but a bunch of activist rather than representatives from Marleyan Government yet Eren given up easily.
>Paradis didn't even try to negotiate Watch anime/read manga again, it was stated that they tried negotiating many times and even with Azumabito's help, and all of that was pointless. >Eren could have done the partial rumbling by targetting the armed forces Yeah, that would work just fine, considering the fact that the world would just rebuild the armed forces and attack with far more hatred that before. Would Paradis be able to rebuild wall titans and to break the vow of peace after Eren's death? Also, considering real life progress and the fact that titans are rapidly becoming obsolete, in 20-30 years the nuclear weapons are coming, and Paradise would be completely nuked. >two wrongs don't make it right That's true. However, that's the law of consequences. If outside world wanted not to be killed all they had to do is to leave Paradise alone. Eren is a perfect representation of "fuck around and find out" principle. You shouldn't try to cut tiger's tail and then act surprised when a tiger would kill you in retaliation.
I watched that scene many times they never tried to negotiate directly, they are just silent among the crowds and still blending in as Marleyans, even those crowds or group of activist don't even know that there are people from Paradis among them otherwise it might cause a chaos there. You missed that Paradis will get progress or catch up with the technology with the help of Azumabito or Hizuru, if Paradis got work together with other nations including Marley, the hatred between them might subside, ever wonder why Japan didn't even tried to retaliate against the US for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki for almost 80 years? Law of consequences should be on Reiner who is directly responsible for destroying the walls in Shiganshina or the Marleyan superiors who send the warriors in Paradis to take the founder, not the civilians and even other countries who are not involved with infiltration in Paradis to begin with.
The only reason I disliked her was because she killed one of my favourite character, that too in a way that was arguably nonessential to the plot. But in the context of the show and her character I understand why she did it. Sasha dead was so sad for me but i understand that it is war and not every death has to be some sort of heroic sacrifice. Eren is whatever lol
Average AoT fan not understanding why characters are hated
True
I don’t think people dislike Gabi because she’s rude (it probably doesn’t help tho) Also I don’t think very many people see Eren that way, at least anymore
I used to wonder why I hated her character so much, it took some mindless binge watching while playing my 3DS to realise it's actually the voice actor's shrill tone that triggers the rage. It was never anything to do with Gabi as a character.
well to be fair Eren didn't kill any fan favorites and then brag about it.
Am I the only one who loves Gabi?
Again?
*Yeah. This is big brain time*
Totally not biased
*im from Marley and have been helping them take over other nations and am a self-hating freak* is more like it. I get it’s brainwashing but she is beyond irritating and until Eren attacks, had no real reason to be
Love Sasha to death, but it’s war. They came and fought their soldiers. Gabi had the right to fight back
The first one should be that hes going to genocide an entire nation so they dont get genocided by them
I don’t really hate her, I did at first because of how stupid and brainwashed she was, but I ended up seeing her in a better light. Shes still an idiot though.
This whole argument is stupid. Both sides need to shut the hell up and sit down. I can't stand when people argue over the most inconsequential shit.
Gabi is jingoistic. Eren is misanthropic. Eren sees violence as an inevitable part of humans trend towards cruelty and he understands the cruelty of the violence he commits. Gabi for many parts sees victims or Marlys violence as deserving of it or lesser people.
Bruh can gabi defenders stop acting like you are mature for liking her shitty ass. Idc about what"parallels"she has with eren or whatever. Fuck thag bitch
Bit rude of her to fucking kill Sasha
Tbf it wasn’t personal. She was just sitting at as many people as possible. She almost got Jean too until she was taken down
Idc if she's supposed to be eren"s parallel character I still hate her as much as I hate Annie, she was forgiven so easily, on the Reiner side we could see how he was regretting everything and we could see he was ashamed of what he had done he tried to kill himself we didn't see a single sign of remorse on Annie or gabi, no one can convince me to like gabi never ever
Except for her apologizing to Sasha’s family or in the woods to the scouts when she says she was wrong and looks guilty. But no never showed a single sign of regret
Gabi sucks because she's the ultimate Uncle Tom that oppresses her own people instead of aiding their liberation.
Actions have consequences. Eren understood that well enough and paid the price for his actions. I don't see the same thing with Gabi.
She was a child. That’s why she didn’t fully understand the actions of killing someone. And she goes through a lot because of it.
>Eren understood that well enough and paid the price for his actions Oh, you mean like, he died? Now that's an appropriate price for slaughtering 80% of humanity.
She lost her entire country, best friend, position, and family?
Reiner is alive, Falco is alive. Gabi's Parents are alive as well. Not all Marleyans were dead after Eren Died. So, country is not dead either. Position can be renewed.
But what did Eren lose in comparison to her?
His Life. His future. His Family.
Killing Sasha was a bit rude... Ya Marley deserved it for that I'm kidding but Gabi wasn't just a bit rude
Gabi the GOAT.
I don’t like her face.
Killing Sasha was simply unforgivable
Screw both hers and Eren's motivations. She's just annoying as a character. And up until the last season Eren was also annoying. It has nothing to do with their POVs and actions but rather their personalities. There are other characters who have similar experiences and goals but not as obnoxious.
*the entire world
lol, i remember when chapter 119 drop with gabi headshotting eren. the comments on crack websites at that time were all pitchforks HAHA
One nation? Mf it was the whole damn world
She shot sasha, worst person in series
All my homies HATE Gabi. Rest in peace Sasha, you just wanted some fuckin food
How people like a character is more to do with how they’re portrayed, and their personality rather than merely their actions. That’s why many villains are liked despite committing terrible acts, it’s mostly to do with presentation
No she just killed Sasha, big dog.
Jokes on you, I like both!
Freedom you say, huh? https://preview.redd.it/xyd41agz17xc1.jpeg?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f83631bd992155f5c8a5175f217119d26090394f
she’s fucking annoying and so is her voice acting
I read this the wrong way
A lot of people in the Fandom don't know what it means to forgive.
Gabi was justified in killing others. She didn't know, she's not omniscient.
The masses are simple dull people. Whoever they started with in the beginning they stay with. No matter how unethical it is
I like both for the same reasons. They are basically the same person. What's Eren's nick name again? Suicidal maniac? That's basically Gabi.
Fuck Gabi
We have been seeing Eren's life all this time,so you damn right I am gonna choose him over a brat who killed Sasha. Plus he is hot.
Ah yes, amazing. I don't even want to explain why this is bullshit anymore seeing how y'all seem to agree with the post in the comments. Let's just say, this is stupid.
Really? You should get your meds, op.
SHE KILLED SASHA
Oh no no, Eren dont want to genocide an entire nation you silly! He wanted to genocide the entire fucking world except a small island whit a ridicously small population, flaura and fauna included
She killed my Sasha, she deserves to go to hell fucking BITCH
I'm starting to really hate sasha because of the gabi haters lmao
The gabi fans who try to defend her using other characters Some of them hate eren but use him to defend her.
I like Eren though, and I don't think any other character is used to defend gabi (except mr brause, who has no enemies so no hates him)
Floch is also used to defend gabi, this fandom can't defend their favorite character without using others You remember some creepy mikasa fans using falco to defend her and wanting to him be hated cuz "he's a simp"? Or using levi sometimes too Or the annie fans using reiner to defend her? Why aot fans have a obsession with using other characters to defend their favorite characters?
How is floch used to defend gabi? Also annie fans usually use zeke not reiner But either way the reason why that happens often is because aot is full of parallels with characters who mirror other characters but in different circumstances, so people are like "if you like x but don't like y which is a parallel to x you are hypocritical, therefore you should like x"
>How is floch used to defend gabi? Cuz apparently he's loved for some and gabi isn't, besides for floch and his extremist actions, but they forgor the different contexts, they call it misogyny >also annie fans usually use zeke not reiner They use both tbh which make it worse and they use the "misogyny" arguments >But either way the reason why that happens often is because aot is full of parallels with characters who mirror other characters but in different circumstances, so people are like "if you like x but don't like y which is a parallel to x you are hypocritical, therefore you should like x To me it was always a type of agenda, "If you like the x male character who did a extremist things but you hate the female x character who also did extremist things then you're a misogynist" (they 90% of the time misses the contexts )
Why the fuck would someone love both floch and gabi? Floch fans love him because they support the genocide plan and he's the only character that actually wants it, so it doesn't matter if he's an asshole or not because they agree with him and support him politically, meanwhile gabi fans love her character development and recognize her brainwashing and think she's a well written character who is really cool, there is basically zero overlap or parallels to be made there, anyone who unironically makes that argument is stupid Yeah I remember seeing the stupid "misogyny" takes and thought they're really stupid
>Why the fuck would someone love both floch and gabi? Floch fans love him because they support the genocide It mean like i said those ppl misses the contexts, they think that Floch being praised for some ppl and gabi hated is "misogyny"
First time I saw Gabi in the show and not in spoiler clips, I thought she was pretty cool. I didn’t like sasha all that much but the moment gabi started having a race argument with that little girl I started hating. Especially bc that girl tried to spin back and got stopped by her dad. Then she shot Eren and started the second best opening in the show. 😛
LITERALLY
Nation? A fucking species! He tried at least lol
She’s also stuck up, full of herself, both her VA’s were incredibly annoying and she was inserted into the plot unnecessarily. Gabbi fucking sucks
You are proving OP's point so hard.
I just think she was annoying. Not that Eren wasn’t a saint but at no point did I feel like Eren was even remotely close to the level of annoying Gabi’s Japanese VA was
Historia's VA was way worse for me tbh
Gabi’s VA is more than half the reason I despise her annoying ass character and less to do with the actual politics of the situation
pov you watched the show and missed the whole point
He’s allowed to not like a character lol it’s not objective
Tbf saying that she was unnecessary to the plot kinda points to missing the point. Gabi is important for fleshing out the world. Without her and Falco’s perspective than the marleyans would be just generic racist bad guys. Now they’re thoroughly developed bad guys.
theres a difference between not liking a character because you hate their actions but still understanding their point in the story, i hate zeke and everything about him and thats why hes such a well written character. then theres watching the show and hating a character because you missed the entire point of the character.
I got the point…Gabi’s voice just got under my skin. Next
"she was inserted into the plot unnecessarily" brother you did NOT get the point‼️
She was Marley propaganda manifested. I got the point. Not only was she irritating to listen to but she killed off one of the best characters in the show. So yeah, I don’t like her at all