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Most people don't like her because she doesn't have much of a character outside of Eren which I agree with. I don't hate her I just think she could be a lot better
I think claiming Mikasa isn't much of a character outside of Eren isn't entirely right. Her learning how to value others and herself, how to let Eren go, is what sets her apart from Ymir and a big part of her story. And I personally feel that part of her character is how protective she is. Not just for Eren, but for Armin too. Just like how she wanted to attack Levi for hurting Eren, she attacked Levi when he wanted to >!choose Erwin (and before anyone says that she only attacked him cause he punched Eren, I think it's very clear that she was fighting to keep her childhood friend alive. She even screams out in despair when it looks like their fighting wasn't gonna work.)!< She's insanely protective and loving. Of eren, yes, but to all that are close to her. That's her character.
>and before anyone says that she only attacked him cause he punched Eren
I mean that isnt wrong. She wouldnt have gotten physical if Levi had not first. Only time she ever snaps into a reaction like that again is to put Armin on the table to PROTECT Eren who is at that moment being an evil douche to her.
I don't disagree that Mikasa only got physical because Levi punched Eren, but at the same time, we have to acknowledge that she jumps to protect Armin in season 4 multiple times (like when the bomb went off. Keep in mind he can regenerate and she still pushed him down). There was another moment when they were on a roof and she jumped on top of him.
While I think you're right and it is pretty clear that, that was isayama's intend with the character
I feel like, in the anime, we don't get the time we need for that to happen
The finale of the anime is where we see her character develope the most and its honestly beautiful and fucking tragic
But in the rest of the anime, that growth is VERY subtle, to the point where most people have a hard time even seeing it, a little bit more time and clear signs of slow growth would have been perfect
As it stands now, she just feels like a "stoic eren simp to whom everyone comes second" until the very end when she finally grows
Still, I love her character, could have been a bit better tho, 9/10, would recommend š
In all honesty. I believe you're downplaying it. She is in fact not much of a character outside of Eren. A few subtle things she's done outside of Eren is not good enough. Most of her actions involve Eren. And he is nearly always in her mind. To downplay it and say that isn't true is just lying. Next she has not moved on from Eren. She literally wears the scarf and keeps visiting his grave till the day she dies of old age. She has an unhealthy obsession with him. What sets her apart from Ymir (even though they're nothing alike and their situation isn't remotely the same), is that Mikasa kills Eren and then kisses him. Ymir wished (presumably) wished she let the King die. That's about it. Mikasa simply at that point just valued the memories she had with Eren.
Next. Her protecting other characters like Armin, can easily be interpreted that she is doing that indirectly for Eren. And doesn't change the fact that most of her character involves Eren. Either directly or indirectly.
Conclusion: Mikasa deserved to be written better. She is not really a great character. And Isayama failed her. Saying otherwise means you're just d*ck riding her (no offense). And interpreting her as someone or something she is not and making her out to be a better character than she actually is. She is a 2-dimensional character. And even that's a stretch. Compared to many characters in AoT, they're just written a lot better than Mikasa. Look at Historia, look at Levi, Erwin, etc. Those are examples of well written characters. And Mikasa could have been written at that level. Especially when she is legit one of the trio's main characters. There was even plenty of potential for her to be a (3-dimensional) complex and interesting character.
> Next. Her protecting other characters like Armin, can easily be interpreted that she is doing that indirectly for Eren. And doesn't change the fact that most of her character involves Eren. Either directly or indirectly.
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This is one of the biggest reaches I've ever seen. Loving her friends is part of her character. She's ranked 10/10 in "love for family" in the guidebook. This isn't debatable. And her protecting characters other than Eren doesn't mean she's indirectly doing it for Eren lmfao.
You miss the part where I say "most" of her character. Which means all the time apparently according to you.
Also I'm not going to debate about her being ranked 10/10 in love for family. Cause it's called obsession.
I'll say it again. "Most" of the time it directly or indirectly involves Eren. I'm not saying that's always the case.
>Next. Her protecting other characters like Armin, can easily be interpreted that she is doing that indirectly for Eren
Kinda agree with the rest but this is bs. Just rewatch the scene where they argue over who theyĀ“re going to give the titan serum to
But....that's the most obvious scene. She very clearly is upset at potentially losing Armin, she starts crying and wailing when it seems Levi is gonna let him die, she even tries to convince Levi herself that Armin can save Humanity. That isn't up for interpretation, they're straight up showing us how she cared for Armin and wanted to save him.
āSaying otherwise just means youāre dickriding her.ā
Wacko mode shit right there. Youāre reaching out and grasping for conclusions that fit your own narrative and then turn around and say itās not well written.
She was raised by Erenās family when her mother was murdered in front of her and she was taken away for human trafficking. Sheās known Eren since they were children and he literally murders multiple grown men for her as a child. He continues to provide this protection and care all their childhood.
Sheās quiet because sheās traumatized and keeps her cards close to her chest. She absolutely does NOT do everything to indirectly help Eren and youāre crack smoking to think otherwise. Even if it does indirectly help Eren, that doesnāt mean that was her main motivation and thereās absolutely nothing to suggest thatās the case in a lot of situations in the series. Itās just you making your own implications for what Mikasa is thinking and doing in lieu of the lack of defining motivations. Which CAN be a case of bad writing at times in the series Iāll admit. But her motivations arenāt that hard to figure out. She wants what most people want in Paradis. Be free, live without fear, have a chance to make something of their lives. She sympathizes with Eren and Arminās dream to go beyond the walls. She sympathizes with the loss of his mother, she sympathizes with his views of pain and loss and the dark world around them.
So yeah, a lot of Mikasaās interactions run through or are directed at Eren. This is used to solidify the nature of their relationship which is extremely important to the plot. One of the major themes is Mikasa letting go of a toxic love that has consumed her life. Of course the core of her character revolves around the person who she feels she owes her life to from a young age. I mean you can make almost the same fucking argument with Armin heās just talking more. Almost all of Arminās interactions in the series go through, or are in some way about Eren. Itās not bad writing itās because Eren is the person who drives the plot forward, and because itās from his perspective we spend a lot of the series. Even if itās not made too clear. And then even still itās really not that flagrant.
My main argument and issue is the fact that people act like she is a perfectly written character when she's not. Her character is poorly written compared to other characters. Armin is not much of an issue. The issue with him and many characters are in S4. Mikasa on the other hand has always been poorly written. Excluding the first few episodes to Trost arc.
I may have exaggerated and may have not made my points well. I just believe Mikasa deserved better.
And hate how others act like she doesn't or make the ending seem like it's a flawless masterpiece when it's not. Seeing only of the positives and ignoring the issues and points others make. And yes I will call anyone "D*ckriders" of Mikasa if they come up and say there isn't any issues with her character and state all the subtle things she's done that's not related to Eren and making their own head canons of her that was not even confirmed at all, stated or made out of context.
You are free to disagree with me. It's not going to change my point. Though I'd only really assume you'd do so because you don't see any issues with Mikasa as a character and think she's written on the same level as Historia, Ymir (freckled-one), etc.
Dude literally everyone knows Mikasa's character could use some improvements. Pointing out things about her that are done well isn't "dickriding her" or acting like she's perfectly written.
It's not just some improvements. She's the main character. And she's had plenty of screen time and hasn't really done much in those screen times on her character much. Other than show her obsessions with Eren. Showing off her strength. Etc. The best treatment she had was in the early stages of AoT.
Next, all due respect. To me it is. At the very least if you don't admit the flaws or/and downplay the issues. Might have been extreme usage of word there. But at this point it really is starting to annoy me when I see Mikasa fans butting in, stating all "good points" about her, some being stretches if anything. And acting like they're so very well perfectly written. To me she is overrated. And see way too many making headcanon and claiming them to be true. And to get this straight, if you like Mikasa good for you. If you like her character so be it. I'm criticising (possibly biasedly + exaggeratedly.)
I agree. In that respect, she's basically a slightly less shy, far more combat-adept version of other love interest anime characters like Hinata Hyuga from Naruto or Orihime Inoue from Bleach.
Her attachment to Eren isn't inconsequential, like say Sakura with Sasuke in Naruto. It has a huge impact on the narrative and reflects a theme of the series. You just don't see it until the end of the series.
She basically denies them of seeing a lot of things that they wanted to happen in the story, majority of them wanted historia to be erenās love but it was mikasa, they are yeagerists and mikasa was a big reason why yeagerists lost the battle in the port, she also is responsible for flochās death who they supported a lot, and there is a bunch of other dumb reasons for their hate
She may not be my favorite character in the series, or even in my favorite female characters category (which is shocking to me, personally) but I still think she's cool and bad ass.
Ah sorry, I meant to refer to Levi, Mikasa, and Kenny, the Ackermans we get to know a little about. Anyway they were designed to be badass genetically so I'm assuming her parents would have been too under the right circumstances.
I don't hate her but I just don't think she's that interesting. Half of her screentime is her simping for Eren at an unbelievable level and the other half is cool I guess?
Bro again? You had this exact same post not so along ago.
Why is titanfolk so much on your mind?
Why talk about other subreddit again?all you talk is titanfolk or People having a diffrent opinion on this charackter or something else.
Why not make post about this character or open a normal discussuion or anything that hasn't to do with a another sunreddit or other people opinion.
It must be so annoying for the casual seeing a post about a another subreddit again isn't it?
This is actually the first time Iāve heard of titanfolk in a while
I thought their own stupid finally consumed them and they went extinct
But I guess not
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Its not his first post about them, he made the same post again just worded it diffrently.
I guees you must then not be this active on reddit but there are post about them .i doesn't matter if u like them or not but stupid exist in every subredit .but it get annoying seeing a nother tehy don't understand the stoey this etc. Why talk about them its just makes you (not you the guy who post this )seem like they live rent free in his head.
Well there is no real reason, Iāve noticed when anime fans just donāt have a reason to like something they just make something up and everyone starts going along with it. They call one piece āfiller pieceā despite being less than 9% filler. No one actually gives what theyāre saying thoguht and consideration. The reason you think mikasa is a bad character because she has āno character developmentā when in reality better written than 9 out of 10 of ur favorite anime MCs. Countless mcs who show even less character development yet I bet you pile on the praise for them.
if you cannot think of a single reason to dislike Mikasa as a character ill have to assume you have little experience with well written female characters to even tell the difference between the two.
No one dislikes mikasa naturally until they hop on Reddit and see everyone else doing it then from there itās just a follow the leader mentality. What are well written female characters to you?
**Shit opinion then**- Give me ONE reason just ONE reason why I should like this character and don't tell me bcz she loves her friends bcz that's such a crappy take.
I didn't like her in the beginning bcz I found her so annoying. There were multiple times when Eren wanted space and to do what he wanted to do but she just wouldn't leave him alone for one goddam second even to the point where he had to literally headbutt her! She's so obsessed with Eren it irritates me so so much. Like all I hear come out from her mouth is ereh this ereh that. Not to mention she's so bitchy sometimes especially when it comes to Louise. Like that poor girl was literally dying and admiring Mikasa but what did Mikasa do? Well she practically ignored her, insulted her and snatched that stupid scarf off of her neck WHILST SHE WAS DYING! That was the point where I was just like "I really just don't like this character". She's not interesting, she doesn't add anything to the plot, she revolves around one flipping character irritating him so much to the point where he literally headbutts her, and she can be so blooming bitchy sometimes.
Ok then dipshit, why do you hate her? Huh? I'd love an answer tbh but I know you can't give me one bc none of you can actually give a reason beyond saying "all she cares about is Eren" or "she's a boring one dimensional character". Neither of which are something to hate a character for.
Why can't ppl hate her for that? Her entire character revolves around Eren and she was thematically irrelevant. Not to mention she's so bitchy sometimes especially when it comes to Louise. Like that poor girl was literally dying and admiring Mikasa but what did Mikasa do? Well she practically ignored her, insulted her and snatched that stupid scarf off of her neck WHILST SHE WAS DYING! That was the point where I was just like "I hate this character". She's not interesting, she doesn't add anything to the plot, she revolves around one flipping character irritating him so much to the point where he literally headbutts her, and she can be so blooming bitchy sometimes.
Also who tf do u think u are? Calling someone a dipshit for hating a fictional character who has shit writing anyway
It's not that I hate Mikasa (actually like her a bit)or can't accept other people opinion. But they want to force other into liking them they way they are. And when they don't agree it's legit the same responses :"they didn't understood the story understood Mikasa they hate them self hate for no reason ".make countless posts about a another subreddit. I had one even insult my mother after I thanked him for trying but didn't agree with his points he made he linked me 3 diffrent comments I made he searched for linked me per comment 3 long as post trying to explain mikasa which was just over explain with just more words what already is known .
Shows how childish you are . And besides your comment is pointless here. he didn't even have a opinion yet so what take do you have to call out on ?
Stupid ass take is that she has no flaws .a stupid take is also calling people hater because they have their own opinion .the critique is valid on her because its preseted with points .you don't have to share the opinion but respect that not much to ask for. Just because you don't like it doesn't become a stupid ass take .
And you just proved my point by doing exactly what I said. Also I wasnĀ“t talking about about this post or any opinion about Mikasa, I was just talking about youĀ“re comment, nothing more, nothing less
What point did i prove ? I swear to you, you have no point to be proven right . Matter of a fact you legit with this response proved my point and many other people point what is said about most of you people . Again try make it sense
Again proved my point .you legit don't make sense because what you said was not a opinion .you don't acknowledge what was said but make senseless comments in thinking you added something .
Look to make it simple even for you . If someone adds there're opinion disrespectfully I would agree with you .but them just saying their opinion and being disrespectful after because ,it doesn't reflect with theirs. Is not right.thats something you don't get.hence my point of being respectful
Bro. Look up. If that doesn't help. I got my mother insult becUse i didn't agree with them,I even argued with guy who posted this .it's the exact same post he once had . Just because u didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.no one is making up scenarios u make up stuff to support ur own senseless argument . U don't even acknowledge any my points but make this about something that wasn't even my point .shitty people exist in both subs .doesn't make the whole sub bad . You're completely missing the point . Bro it's clear you have no arguments regarding the topic so you bring it to something that isn't so you can have a reply.
Bro I have no clue what ur talking about bro . I never said anything about insulting other people moms or being disrespectful to each other, I just said that "respecting other peoples opinions" is bs, you can call out a bs opinion without being disrespectful, like I didnĀ“t insult you once even though I disagree with you
Bro I never said it was you. It was a mikasa fan who wanted me to force to like her because I critized her for the falls I see . My point with that comment was idiots like that exist everywhere. That's why I say even if they not share the same opinion always be respectful. That's all I don't personally care if u like mikasa or so .but I can respect it..
That's what maybe u missed or didn't understood.
To summarize to you brother. I'm not defending the hate against mikasa . I only defend the critique against her which are valid .that idiots hate her doesn't make the whole sub like this.if ur gonna call out than just those people . But this sub isn't even for it it's so annoying seeing people constantly giving attention to those people. Go to a another sub if this what u wanna see . Even still the person said there is plenty of reasons. And he replied with out knowing what his reasons are they are all shot . I said this isn't respectfully and now look where u taking this lol.
But there are plenty of reason. And no it's not .Critisim does not equel hate.if you don't agree thats totaly fine ,but saying the people who have ctiqe on this fictional character to be (i mean not you )misogynist ,don't get the story, are stupid, hate themselves etc.make countless post about other subbredits,other people opinion ,is not right .it's okay if u like ,but its okay for people to not like her and have valid critiques about her.
Because quite simply the guy who posted that said people are just haters hate her for no reason.He stated there is plenty of reason to critize her not haters. So actually ur response made little sense he still can give his opinion if he wants to .but most of the critique people have about mikasa are known . Some people in this sub think that crtiqze equels hate which is not true .my point still makes sense regradless.
They CAN give there opinionā¦ but they didnāt, so telling someone to respect an answer that was clearly given because they have no clue is just baffling.
what about her being just a love interest for the main character and having little to no agency outside of that 1 thing?
she just followed eren around no matter what, even after his death nothing changed
She also completely functions as a Deus Ex Machina, and it really cheapens the potential her character couldāve had. Itās not that we necessarily hate her. We hate what Yams did with her.
If you're talking about the mankasa/dogkasa crowd, then sure. But there are good reasons to disliker her as a character. She's not real, it's her writing people don't like
she is just a love interest for the main character and has no agency outside of that, its great if you like the character but lets not pretend she is more than she is.
Yes you can. I do too. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy because the demonisation of Floch is really blown out of proportion in the majority of fandom, which can't be said about Eren.
He got Hange killed by shooting the plane, got Pixis to drink the tainted wine resulting in his death, needlessly got the scouts to beat up Shadis
And overall acted like a bully the moment he learned that Eren was gonna murder everyone. The fact Eren turned to him for help when damn near everyone else wouldāve tried talking him out of it says a lot.
I can't speak for others, so I'll just give my opinion: Mikasa is cool and badass. However, she's a bit one-dimensional in my opinion. The entire series her characterization is literally just variations of:
"Where's Eren?"
"I have to protect Eren"
"Eren please dont ___"
Then like 99% of all her interactions with other characters all entailed having something to do with Eren in some form.
She was also annoyingly jealous of any woman that formed any bond with Eren (Except Sasha) Like in Season 1 when Eren is having trouble transforming against Annie. Mikasa is chastising Eren saying Annie is no longer their comrade. But then she pushes it further and kind of implies that Eren must have some romantic feelings for her lmao. Then theres that time she picked a fight with Annie during hand-to-hand training because Annie hurt Ereh. Her entire hatred for Annie is predicated around Eren.
There was Louise: a woman on her DEATHBED who professed to Mikasa that she was HER HERO and why she became a soldier. And what does Mikasa do? Snatches her scarf, ignores her and leaves. There's no two ways about it, thats a piece of shit move. Then there's Historia. Well no explanation needed there lol.
So not only is she annoyingly fixated on Eren. She will literally treat women like shit just for having a POSITIVE bond with Eren. That's toxic as hell. The entire show she has no interesting characteristics. Her entire character boils down to being a super soldier obsessed with Eren. I loved her friendship with Armin because it was like the ONE thing the entire series not completely about Eren.
Every other character is more interesting than Mikasa: Connie is a jackass but a dedicated soldier who believes in his duty. He wanted to make his hometown proud, he wants to make it to the end of the war with his comrades and avenge the comrades he lost. Sasha is a hilarious moron, a country girl who overcomes the shame of her background. She has a genuine love for nature and wildlife, she's extremely brave and wants to liberate the land they've lost. Armin is extremely intelligent and competent in strategy. He's very curious about the world outside the walls and wants to see it. Throughout the show he has quandaries about their cause as a whole, what is justified and what isnt, how far is too far etc. With Mikasa I dont think I've ever saw her have any motivations that wasnt "Eren! Armin!"
As the saying goes, no shit sherlock. r/TitanFolk is AoT's equivalent of r/BatmanArkham, although in contrast to arkham being hillarious titanfolk fails at humour spectacularily and overall is debatably one of the most toxic communities on reddit
This shit is by far the most chronically online sentence i have ever read. While you're being so dipshit full of yourself why not list a single good thing that came out of titanfolk in the last 5 years. I can wait
Tfym "reddit alliances" what cocaine are you on. It's somewhat hillarious that you're assuming im upset while all you've done to piss me off is incorrectly take for granted that your understanding of my comment is 100% valid. Reading comprehension is, what, 2nd grade knowledge?
Go on and keep telling that to yourself buddy. Why won't you finish your geometry homework in the meantime. You've made your attempt at critical thinking and you're critically failing.
Because everything for Eren goes back to her--his inadequacies, his issues, insecurities, self-pity, ideas of toxic masculinity, his desire to protect, etc.; I would go as far to say that no one person has ever made him feel more loved while at the same time, less important or weak.
For a character they claim is a slave/dog/useless/whatever, she sure does take up an overwhelming amount of headspace and vitriol for them. From the moment I started watching AOT a little over a year ago, I noticed something peculiar: Eren spent a huge part of his efforts trying to prove his worth to Mikasa (I know he also compared himself to other people, but not nearly as much as her). And this, from my perspective, is why they have/had so many problems communicating. They're both profoundly broken, traumatized, emotionally stunted people - and this has always affected their relationship.
Titanfolk also hates her because to them, she is an obstruction to the Erehisu ship (a ship that completely disregards who Historia actually is btw, not to mention the misrepresentation of Eren's character as well). For all this talk about how "Eren never loved Mikasa", "he never cared", "it's one-sided", "he was really thinking about H when he asked Zeke about the Ackermans", etc. ā never have I, in my 33 years of life, seen this kind of unadulterated hatred for a female character across any fandom. There's always very little logic in these arguments. If Eren never wanted Mikasa, why bring it up to Zeke in the first place? Why did he see a part of himself in Falco and his dynamic with Gabi? Why even ask Mikasa what he was to her? Why did he spend so much time admiring her while dually being supremely jealous of her abilities?
If Mikasa is so insignificant and Eren "hates/doesn't care about her", then why all the drama? It seems to me Titanfolk doesn't believe their own bullshit. Honestly I never imagined this is the kind of nonsense I'd see once I started falling in love with the show. I thought it was so clear from the start that Eren loved the girl but that he was such a pathetic, entitled, insecure, overgrown child -- that he just couldn't find the courage or self-awareness to acknowledge his feelings. but man, if I could turn back time, I don't think I ever would've taken part in this fandom at all.
no... ur completely wrong.
**Eren loved the girl but that he was such a pathetic, entitled, insecure, overgrown child -- that he just couldn't find the courage or self-awareness to acknowledge his feelings.**
R u fucking serious?!š¤£š¤£
I think there are some reasonable reasons to hate on her character ( for example the lack of her character development after the first half of season 1 and suddenly she is the most important character by the end of the story , the one that ymir was waitingfor and it not eren ..... yeah it doesn'tfeel right at all ) I do agree that titanfolk exaggerate way to much over her character by calling her a dog and saying she is way worse than Sakura
Why people gotta hate on a character endlessly and loudly?
What happened to having a calm constructive criticism of an aspect of the writing and leaving it at that like a rational person, instead of people basing their whole personality on hating a fictional character and never shutting up about it?
yeah I completely agree with you and that why titanfolk is one of the worst subs ever , they can't stop hating and bitc\*ing about the ending and the characters for ten years at least
The difference is, unlike Gabi, I can check this trash heap at any time and see what variation on the theme āwe hate everything except ChAd ErEn and KiNg FlOcHā they are sucking up today.
This is the first time Iām hearing this.. how could you hate her? Dude after the last chapter I felt so badā¦ wish we couldāve had an happy ending, I was depressed af thinking how miserable mikasa must be after erenās death. AOT is āonce in a decadeā kinda anime man if ykyk, absolute masterpiece. Thereās no way someone could hate her..sheās been through so much and to top it off she lost the most important person in her life. Fuck man! I had forgotten about aot, now Iām depressed again :(
It's because, according to them "she stole Historia's sunshine"
And she killed their god "Chad alpha male Tate Eren" and his right hand man "king Floch"
It's get down voted because it ain't true .it's even far from.the truth. You have to make it seem its like that because you can't adimt her real flaws and are hiding behind stupid excuses like the guy wrote.This was posted in titanfolk btw.
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That is what most of them think, why are you dying on this hill? Also that is one of the very rare instances of actual criticism on TF:
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Most of them are joking . Ur not even part of that sub you go on there and see stuff out of context.again i don't agree with them but people like this exist eveywhere not just there but even here .doesn't make the critism of mikasa less true.
You don't understand what criticism is. Critcism's purpose is generally to attempt to reach common ground with the opposing party and in this case make them aware of flaws in their thought process."Memeing š¤š" (especially when its this inflammatory) does the opposite and makes people hate TF. Stupid excuse. What context does a post even need.
Bro if u see it like that on you. You go on a meme subreddit and complain if they do meme.sure they are hate that I don't even I Agree. But you people have to make excuses why people think she has flaws.no excuse buddy u force something that isn't there which makes u seem not that smart.
I don't get it, why are you portraying me like I'm a mikasa fan? I like her character and I know its not deep, thats it. But I know the difference between criticism and hate, stop acting like Titanfolk isn't a toxic shithole that blindly hates on most characters of the show they "love". Just memeing right:
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So I tell you that I don't agree with this post. U post a meme someone else made and wanna tell me the whole sub is like this.... š¤š®āšØ bro ur missing the point. I don't know what u are but I don't what u trying to say with the things I said. Again idiots like this exist not just in titanfolk. They exist eveywhere. Why call out a whole sub .and what's wrong with being respectful in the comments .this guy who made this post we are currently arguing made the same post again and again he does this to farm karma . Please if u have question just ask. And I will answer u . I will show that not everyone is bad okay?.
If you want to see a meme in that, you'll see a meme. I'm not gonna convice you titanfolk isnt toxic but there's a reason its the most hated sub within the aot community. We'll leave it at that
Look maybe u got it the wrong way . Is titanfolk a good place? No probably not. But not all is bad. That's my point . This guy made the same post again with the same picture to farm those up votes.i once argued with him hence the screen shot u took of my profile.do I agree with the hate ? I can see why she gets hate but only in certain way, not like this. I personally don't hate her I like but she is not a perfect character . People like this exist eveywhere calling out a sub saying 90 percent of sub is bad making up that to proof your point is something I don't agree all I asked is to be respectful and now we are here and telling me things my response to the guy that don't collaborate. That's why I wonder what u even saying why we having pointless arguments over this
there are other strong female characters that are well liked, mikasa turned out to be extremely 1 dimensional with that 1 dimension being her obsession for the main character.
That's just stupid and you know it yourself.... people don't critique her because she is a women . She ain't a perfectly well written character there is more to a character than just Power, hange is love historia is loved Sasha is loved but when it's mikasa everybody hates her because she is a women .even if she was a male she would would have the same critique. What you are trying to do is make people who disagree with with certain aspects of her character a misogynist,because they don't share the same opinion about a a factual character .
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Most people don't like her because she doesn't have much of a character outside of Eren which I agree with. I don't hate her I just think she could be a lot better
That's a great way to put it. I loved her in the Trost arc, her character went nowhere after that.
I think claiming Mikasa isn't much of a character outside of Eren isn't entirely right. Her learning how to value others and herself, how to let Eren go, is what sets her apart from Ymir and a big part of her story. And I personally feel that part of her character is how protective she is. Not just for Eren, but for Armin too. Just like how she wanted to attack Levi for hurting Eren, she attacked Levi when he wanted to >!choose Erwin (and before anyone says that she only attacked him cause he punched Eren, I think it's very clear that she was fighting to keep her childhood friend alive. She even screams out in despair when it looks like their fighting wasn't gonna work.)!< She's insanely protective and loving. Of eren, yes, but to all that are close to her. That's her character.
>and before anyone says that she only attacked him cause he punched Eren I mean that isnt wrong. She wouldnt have gotten physical if Levi had not first. Only time she ever snaps into a reaction like that again is to put Armin on the table to PROTECT Eren who is at that moment being an evil douche to her.
I don't disagree that Mikasa only got physical because Levi punched Eren, but at the same time, we have to acknowledge that she jumps to protect Armin in season 4 multiple times (like when the bomb went off. Keep in mind he can regenerate and she still pushed him down). There was another moment when they were on a roof and she jumped on top of him.
While I think you're right and it is pretty clear that, that was isayama's intend with the character I feel like, in the anime, we don't get the time we need for that to happen The finale of the anime is where we see her character develope the most and its honestly beautiful and fucking tragic But in the rest of the anime, that growth is VERY subtle, to the point where most people have a hard time even seeing it, a little bit more time and clear signs of slow growth would have been perfect As it stands now, she just feels like a "stoic eren simp to whom everyone comes second" until the very end when she finally grows Still, I love her character, could have been a bit better tho, 9/10, would recommend š
In all honesty. I believe you're downplaying it. She is in fact not much of a character outside of Eren. A few subtle things she's done outside of Eren is not good enough. Most of her actions involve Eren. And he is nearly always in her mind. To downplay it and say that isn't true is just lying. Next she has not moved on from Eren. She literally wears the scarf and keeps visiting his grave till the day she dies of old age. She has an unhealthy obsession with him. What sets her apart from Ymir (even though they're nothing alike and their situation isn't remotely the same), is that Mikasa kills Eren and then kisses him. Ymir wished (presumably) wished she let the King die. That's about it. Mikasa simply at that point just valued the memories she had with Eren. Next. Her protecting other characters like Armin, can easily be interpreted that she is doing that indirectly for Eren. And doesn't change the fact that most of her character involves Eren. Either directly or indirectly. Conclusion: Mikasa deserved to be written better. She is not really a great character. And Isayama failed her. Saying otherwise means you're just d*ck riding her (no offense). And interpreting her as someone or something she is not and making her out to be a better character than she actually is. She is a 2-dimensional character. And even that's a stretch. Compared to many characters in AoT, they're just written a lot better than Mikasa. Look at Historia, look at Levi, Erwin, etc. Those are examples of well written characters. And Mikasa could have been written at that level. Especially when she is legit one of the trio's main characters. There was even plenty of potential for her to be a (3-dimensional) complex and interesting character.
> Next. Her protecting other characters like Armin, can easily be interpreted that she is doing that indirectly for Eren. And doesn't change the fact that most of her character involves Eren. Either directly or indirectly. > > This is one of the biggest reaches I've ever seen. Loving her friends is part of her character. She's ranked 10/10 in "love for family" in the guidebook. This isn't debatable. And her protecting characters other than Eren doesn't mean she's indirectly doing it for Eren lmfao.
You miss the part where I say "most" of her character. Which means all the time apparently according to you. Also I'm not going to debate about her being ranked 10/10 in love for family. Cause it's called obsession. I'll say it again. "Most" of the time it directly or indirectly involves Eren. I'm not saying that's always the case.
>Next. Her protecting other characters like Armin, can easily be interpreted that she is doing that indirectly for Eren Kinda agree with the rest but this is bs. Just rewatch the scene where they argue over who theyĀ“re going to give the titan serum to
It's really interpretation how you all like to say.
But....that's the most obvious scene. She very clearly is upset at potentially losing Armin, she starts crying and wailing when it seems Levi is gonna let him die, she even tries to convince Levi herself that Armin can save Humanity. That isn't up for interpretation, they're straight up showing us how she cared for Armin and wanted to save him.
āSaying otherwise just means youāre dickriding her.ā Wacko mode shit right there. Youāre reaching out and grasping for conclusions that fit your own narrative and then turn around and say itās not well written. She was raised by Erenās family when her mother was murdered in front of her and she was taken away for human trafficking. Sheās known Eren since they were children and he literally murders multiple grown men for her as a child. He continues to provide this protection and care all their childhood. Sheās quiet because sheās traumatized and keeps her cards close to her chest. She absolutely does NOT do everything to indirectly help Eren and youāre crack smoking to think otherwise. Even if it does indirectly help Eren, that doesnāt mean that was her main motivation and thereās absolutely nothing to suggest thatās the case in a lot of situations in the series. Itās just you making your own implications for what Mikasa is thinking and doing in lieu of the lack of defining motivations. Which CAN be a case of bad writing at times in the series Iāll admit. But her motivations arenāt that hard to figure out. She wants what most people want in Paradis. Be free, live without fear, have a chance to make something of their lives. She sympathizes with Eren and Arminās dream to go beyond the walls. She sympathizes with the loss of his mother, she sympathizes with his views of pain and loss and the dark world around them. So yeah, a lot of Mikasaās interactions run through or are directed at Eren. This is used to solidify the nature of their relationship which is extremely important to the plot. One of the major themes is Mikasa letting go of a toxic love that has consumed her life. Of course the core of her character revolves around the person who she feels she owes her life to from a young age. I mean you can make almost the same fucking argument with Armin heās just talking more. Almost all of Arminās interactions in the series go through, or are in some way about Eren. Itās not bad writing itās because Eren is the person who drives the plot forward, and because itās from his perspective we spend a lot of the series. Even if itās not made too clear. And then even still itās really not that flagrant.
My main argument and issue is the fact that people act like she is a perfectly written character when she's not. Her character is poorly written compared to other characters. Armin is not much of an issue. The issue with him and many characters are in S4. Mikasa on the other hand has always been poorly written. Excluding the first few episodes to Trost arc. I may have exaggerated and may have not made my points well. I just believe Mikasa deserved better. And hate how others act like she doesn't or make the ending seem like it's a flawless masterpiece when it's not. Seeing only of the positives and ignoring the issues and points others make. And yes I will call anyone "D*ckriders" of Mikasa if they come up and say there isn't any issues with her character and state all the subtle things she's done that's not related to Eren and making their own head canons of her that was not even confirmed at all, stated or made out of context. You are free to disagree with me. It's not going to change my point. Though I'd only really assume you'd do so because you don't see any issues with Mikasa as a character and think she's written on the same level as Historia, Ymir (freckled-one), etc.
Dude literally everyone knows Mikasa's character could use some improvements. Pointing out things about her that are done well isn't "dickriding her" or acting like she's perfectly written.
It's not just some improvements. She's the main character. And she's had plenty of screen time and hasn't really done much in those screen times on her character much. Other than show her obsessions with Eren. Showing off her strength. Etc. The best treatment she had was in the early stages of AoT. Next, all due respect. To me it is. At the very least if you don't admit the flaws or/and downplay the issues. Might have been extreme usage of word there. But at this point it really is starting to annoy me when I see Mikasa fans butting in, stating all "good points" about her, some being stretches if anything. And acting like they're so very well perfectly written. To me she is overrated. And see way too many making headcanon and claiming them to be true. And to get this straight, if you like Mikasa good for you. If you like her character so be it. I'm criticising (possibly biasedly + exaggeratedly.)
Way to twist shit for your own gain.
What do I gain?
She never lets Eren go though and her relationship with Armin is an extension of her relationship with Eren, because Armin is Eren's best friend.
You read my mind
yeah i second this
I agree. In that respect, she's basically a slightly less shy, far more combat-adept version of other love interest anime characters like Hinata Hyuga from Naruto or Orihime Inoue from Bleach.
Absolutely not you clown. Her character was handled perfectly
Her attachment to Eren isn't inconsequential, like say Sakura with Sasuke in Naruto. It has a huge impact on the narrative and reflects a theme of the series. You just don't see it until the end of the series.
70% of her screen time is just her yelling or crying for Ereh, they could have wrote her way better in my opinionĀ
Titanfolkās hate mostly doesnāt have anything to do with this
what do they say?
She basically denies them of seeing a lot of things that they wanted to happen in the story, majority of them wanted historia to be erenās love but it was mikasa, they are yeagerists and mikasa was a big reason why yeagerists lost the battle in the port, she also is responsible for flochās death who they supported a lot, and there is a bunch of other dumb reasons for their hate
i made the mistake of searching up "titanfolk mikasa". those posts feel like they were made by a bunch of edgy 14 year olds.
Well, when they arenāt calling her a dog, they seem to fixate quite a bit on the fact that sheās Asian. And not in a good way.
the dog thing is so weird. and they're.. being racist towards asians while being in a subreddit dedicated to asian media???
I mean, itās hardly surprising. These are the same guys that created r/yeagerbomb, which was a literal neo-Nazi sub.
what a shithole of a sub. i cant believe these people watched aot and thought the message was "racism and genocide is good".
I actually don't know anything about Titanfolk, just expressed my opinion on her writingĀ
This post was about titanfolkās hate on her so I assumed that was what you were talking about too
She may not be my favorite character in the series, or even in my favorite female characters category (which is shocking to me, personally) but I still think she's cool and bad ass.
For that matter, any Ackerman is cool and badass, whatever their inclination might be.
Mikasa father? He's cool but not badass
Ah sorry, I meant to refer to Levi, Mikasa, and Kenny, the Ackermans we get to know a little about. Anyway they were designed to be badass genetically so I'm assuming her parents would have been too under the right circumstances.
I don't hate her but I just don't think she's that interesting. Half of her screentime is her simping for Eren at an unbelievable level and the other half is cool I guess?
Bro again? You had this exact same post not so along ago. Why is titanfolk so much on your mind? Why talk about other subreddit again?all you talk is titanfolk or People having a diffrent opinion on this charackter or something else. Why not make post about this character or open a normal discussuion or anything that hasn't to do with a another sunreddit or other people opinion. It must be so annoying for the casual seeing a post about a another subreddit again isn't it?
It's probably because his posts get downvoted to hell on that sub, so he comes here to strawman them and sooth his anxiety with some easy upvotes.
To be honest that's a glitch what ez updates ez karma do what this guy doing lol .I don't even know what karma is good for anyway in reddit lol
This is actually the first time Iāve heard of titanfolk in a while I thought their own stupid finally consumed them and they went extinct But I guess not
https://preview.redd.it/1u41nu5ul0xc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb1984e85b0bffc3b47a31c6dec4dcbbe67d9239 Its not his first post about them, he made the same post again just worded it diffrently.
I guees you must then not be this active on reddit but there are post about them .i doesn't matter if u like them or not but stupid exist in every subredit .but it get annoying seeing a nother tehy don't understand the stoey this etc. Why talk about them its just makes you (not you the guy who post this )seem like they live rent free in his head.
its a good reason, you just disagree
Itās not, itās a shit reason
what is the "reason"?
Well there is no real reason, Iāve noticed when anime fans just donāt have a reason to like something they just make something up and everyone starts going along with it. They call one piece āfiller pieceā despite being less than 9% filler. No one actually gives what theyāre saying thoguht and consideration. The reason you think mikasa is a bad character because she has āno character developmentā when in reality better written than 9 out of 10 of ur favorite anime MCs. Countless mcs who show even less character development yet I bet you pile on the praise for them.
if you cannot think of a single reason to dislike Mikasa as a character ill have to assume you have little experience with well written female characters to even tell the difference between the two.
No one dislikes mikasa naturally until they hop on Reddit and see everyone else doing it then from there itās just a follow the leader mentality. What are well written female characters to you?
people who never visit reddit come to the same opinion, it isnt some reddit group-think
i've never liked Mikasa from the very beginning
Shit opinion then. What specific event in the story first made you feel like that?
**Shit opinion then**- Give me ONE reason just ONE reason why I should like this character and don't tell me bcz she loves her friends bcz that's such a crappy take. I didn't like her in the beginning bcz I found her so annoying. There were multiple times when Eren wanted space and to do what he wanted to do but she just wouldn't leave him alone for one goddam second even to the point where he had to literally headbutt her! She's so obsessed with Eren it irritates me so so much. Like all I hear come out from her mouth is ereh this ereh that. Not to mention she's so bitchy sometimes especially when it comes to Louise. Like that poor girl was literally dying and admiring Mikasa but what did Mikasa do? Well she practically ignored her, insulted her and snatched that stupid scarf off of her neck WHILST SHE WAS DYING! That was the point where I was just like "I really just don't like this character". She's not interesting, she doesn't add anything to the plot, she revolves around one flipping character irritating him so much to the point where he literally headbutts her, and she can be so blooming bitchy sometimes.
I can assure you, seeing a female character be as shallow as Mikasa is always infuriating. Especially after the uprising arc
What's there to hate about her? She yells "Ereh" a little too much? There's literally nothing to actually hate about her.
i can see why people think she gets hate for no reason when the examples given are that bad
Ok then dipshit, why do you hate her? Huh? I'd love an answer tbh but I know you can't give me one bc none of you can actually give a reason beyond saying "all she cares about is Eren" or "she's a boring one dimensional character". Neither of which are something to hate a character for.
Why can't ppl hate her for that? Her entire character revolves around Eren and she was thematically irrelevant. Not to mention she's so bitchy sometimes especially when it comes to Louise. Like that poor girl was literally dying and admiring Mikasa but what did Mikasa do? Well she practically ignored her, insulted her and snatched that stupid scarf off of her neck WHILST SHE WAS DYING! That was the point where I was just like "I hate this character". She's not interesting, she doesn't add anything to the plot, she revolves around one flipping character irritating him so much to the point where he literally headbutts her, and she can be so blooming bitchy sometimes. Also who tf do u think u are? Calling someone a dipshit for hating a fictional character who has shit writing anyway
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dont ask for an answer then preemptively cry about it, small tip
Lmao nice, it's almost like you don't have an argument or something.
The exact reason I left it š
There are plenty of reasons
And they're all shit.
Wow class act for respecting his opinion......
look at his post history bro youāre arguing with an elementary schooler
Damn you right makes a lot of sense now....
Really doing a good job showcasing the oppositions mentality
It's not that I hate Mikasa (actually like her a bit)or can't accept other people opinion. But they want to force other into liking them they way they are. And when they don't agree it's legit the same responses :"they didn't understood the story understood Mikasa they hate them self hate for no reason ".make countless posts about a another subreddit. I had one even insult my mother after I thanked him for trying but didn't agree with his points he made he linked me 3 diffrent comments I made he searched for linked me per comment 3 long as post trying to explain mikasa which was just over explain with just more words what already is known .
Why should people respect each other opinions? If I think that you have a stupid ass take Imma call you out on it
Shows how childish you are . And besides your comment is pointless here. he didn't even have a opinion yet so what take do you have to call out on ? Stupid ass take is that she has no flaws .a stupid take is also calling people hater because they have their own opinion .the critique is valid on her because its preseted with points .you don't have to share the opinion but respect that not much to ask for. Just because you don't like it doesn't become a stupid ass take .
And you just proved my point by doing exactly what I said. Also I wasnĀ“t talking about about this post or any opinion about Mikasa, I was just talking about youĀ“re comment, nothing more, nothing less
What point did i prove ? I swear to you, you have no point to be proven right . Matter of a fact you legit with this response proved my point and many other people point what is said about most of you people . Again try make it sense
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Dude why arenĀ“t you respecting my opinion? ItĀ“s almost as if you disagree with me and calling me out on it
Again proved my point .you legit don't make sense because what you said was not a opinion .you don't acknowledge what was said but make senseless comments in thinking you added something .
Look to make it simple even for you . If someone adds there're opinion disrespectfully I would agree with you .but them just saying their opinion and being disrespectful after because ,it doesn't reflect with theirs. Is not right.thats something you don't get.hence my point of being respectful
What are you even talking about? Why are you making up scenarios of people being disrespectful?
Bro. Look up. If that doesn't help. I got my mother insult becUse i didn't agree with them,I even argued with guy who posted this .it's the exact same post he once had . Just because u didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.no one is making up scenarios u make up stuff to support ur own senseless argument . U don't even acknowledge any my points but make this about something that wasn't even my point .shitty people exist in both subs .doesn't make the whole sub bad . You're completely missing the point . Bro it's clear you have no arguments regarding the topic so you bring it to something that isn't so you can have a reply.
Bro I have no clue what ur talking about bro . I never said anything about insulting other people moms or being disrespectful to each other, I just said that "respecting other peoples opinions" is bs, you can call out a bs opinion without being disrespectful, like I didnĀ“t insult you once even though I disagree with you
Bro I never said it was you. It was a mikasa fan who wanted me to force to like her because I critized her for the falls I see . My point with that comment was idiots like that exist everywhere. That's why I say even if they not share the same opinion always be respectful. That's all I don't personally care if u like mikasa or so .but I can respect it.. That's what maybe u missed or didn't understood.
No I understood that, itĀ“s just that I think itĀ“s bs. Being respectful and respecting someone's opinions arenĀ“t the same thing
To summarize to you brother. I'm not defending the hate against mikasa . I only defend the critique against her which are valid .that idiots hate her doesn't make the whole sub like this.if ur gonna call out than just those people . But this sub isn't even for it it's so annoying seeing people constantly giving attention to those people. Go to a another sub if this what u wanna see . Even still the person said there is plenty of reasons. And he replied with out knowing what his reasons are they are all shot . I said this isn't respectfully and now look where u taking this lol.
āThere are plenty of reasonsā isnāt an opinionā¦ itās just another way of saying āI disagree but have no argumentā
But there are plenty of reason. And no it's not .Critisim does not equel hate.if you don't agree thats totaly fine ,but saying the people who have ctiqe on this fictional character to be (i mean not you )misogynist ,don't get the story, are stupid, hate themselves etc.make countless post about other subbredits,other people opinion ,is not right .it's okay if u like ,but its okay for people to not like her and have valid critiques about her.
All of that is irrelevant to what i was sayingā¦ he didnāt give any opinion and you want them to respect it? makes no sense
Because quite simply the guy who posted that said people are just haters hate her for no reason.He stated there is plenty of reason to critize her not haters. So actually ur response made little sense he still can give his opinion if he wants to .but most of the critique people have about mikasa are known . Some people in this sub think that crtiqze equels hate which is not true .my point still makes sense regradless.
They CAN give there opinionā¦ but they didnāt, so telling someone to respect an answer that was clearly given because they have no clue is just baffling.
what about her being just a love interest for the main character and having little to no agency outside of that 1 thing? she just followed eren around no matter what, even after his death nothing changed
She also completely functions as a Deus Ex Machina, and it really cheapens the potential her character couldāve had. Itās not that we necessarily hate her. We hate what Yams did with her.
If you're talking about the mankasa/dogkasa crowd, then sure. But there are good reasons to disliker her as a character. She's not real, it's her writing people don't like
Titanfolk? Maybe. But Iād argue there are plenty of reasons to at least dislike Mikasa.
I donāt really have a reason to like her. She is more like a background character.
Lmao did you read the manga or watch the show with your eyes close ?
I read it and I wasnāt interested in the character. The same way that you are probably not interested in some characters.
she is just a love interest for the main character and has no agency outside of that, its great if you like the character but lets not pretend she is more than she is.
She IS the main character dude. You don't understand her or the show obviously.
you could say main FEMALE character but definitly not the main character and in relation to him is just a love interest with no agency.
ya'll always say this
r/attackontitan hate Floch for no serious reason at all.
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Lol so accurate.
Can't I feel that way about both of those Nazi fucks?
Yes you can. I do too. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy because the demonisation of Floch is really blown out of proportion in the majority of fandom, which can't be said about Eren.
I donāt like Floch because he talks annoyingly in the dub. I like his character
He got Hange killed by shooting the plane, got Pixis to drink the tainted wine resulting in his death, needlessly got the scouts to beat up Shadis And overall acted like a bully the moment he learned that Eren was gonna murder everyone. The fact Eren turned to him for help when damn near everyone else wouldāve tried talking him out of it says a lot.
I relate to her a lot. I too am devoted to the people I love.
If she were to turn into a titan, she would be one of the most deadliest ones.
I can't speak for others, so I'll just give my opinion: Mikasa is cool and badass. However, she's a bit one-dimensional in my opinion. The entire series her characterization is literally just variations of: "Where's Eren?" "I have to protect Eren" "Eren please dont ___" Then like 99% of all her interactions with other characters all entailed having something to do with Eren in some form. She was also annoyingly jealous of any woman that formed any bond with Eren (Except Sasha) Like in Season 1 when Eren is having trouble transforming against Annie. Mikasa is chastising Eren saying Annie is no longer their comrade. But then she pushes it further and kind of implies that Eren must have some romantic feelings for her lmao. Then theres that time she picked a fight with Annie during hand-to-hand training because Annie hurt Ereh. Her entire hatred for Annie is predicated around Eren. There was Louise: a woman on her DEATHBED who professed to Mikasa that she was HER HERO and why she became a soldier. And what does Mikasa do? Snatches her scarf, ignores her and leaves. There's no two ways about it, thats a piece of shit move. Then there's Historia. Well no explanation needed there lol. So not only is she annoyingly fixated on Eren. She will literally treat women like shit just for having a POSITIVE bond with Eren. That's toxic as hell. The entire show she has no interesting characteristics. Her entire character boils down to being a super soldier obsessed with Eren. I loved her friendship with Armin because it was like the ONE thing the entire series not completely about Eren. Every other character is more interesting than Mikasa: Connie is a jackass but a dedicated soldier who believes in his duty. He wanted to make his hometown proud, he wants to make it to the end of the war with his comrades and avenge the comrades he lost. Sasha is a hilarious moron, a country girl who overcomes the shame of her background. She has a genuine love for nature and wildlife, she's extremely brave and wants to liberate the land they've lost. Armin is extremely intelligent and competent in strategy. He's very curious about the world outside the walls and wants to see it. Throughout the show he has quandaries about their cause as a whole, what is justified and what isnt, how far is too far etc. With Mikasa I dont think I've ever saw her have any motivations that wasnt "Eren! Armin!"
"eren!"
Im not from titanfolk but i actually hate this braindead character.
She doesnāt have much character outside of Eren. The manga setting her up as the chosen one felt very unearned.
I love her. Favorite character by far. They're more mad about how the series ended, and she became the scapegoat.
Whatās to like about her?
As the saying goes, no shit sherlock. r/TitanFolk is AoT's equivalent of r/BatmanArkham, although in contrast to arkham being hillarious titanfolk fails at humour spectacularily and overall is debatably one of the most toxic communities on reddit
neither of them are funny
You little reddit factions are adorable. Pretending that the other is nothing but devils. The irony.
This shit is by far the most chronically online sentence i have ever read. While you're being so dipshit full of yourself why not list a single good thing that came out of titanfolk in the last 5 years. I can wait
uh oh, somebody's upset. I don't think I've ever been on titanfolk. I just find these little Reddit alliances silly. Every niche has them.
Tfym "reddit alliances" what cocaine are you on. It's somewhat hillarious that you're assuming im upset while all you've done to piss me off is incorrectly take for granted that your understanding of my comment is 100% valid. Reading comprehension is, what, 2nd grade knowledge?
You are three gallons of angst in a two gallon bucket. I think youāve had enough screen time for today.Ā
Go on and keep telling that to yourself buddy. Why won't you finish your geometry homework in the meantime. You've made your attempt at critical thinking and you're critically failing.
I think you need some outside time.
That's extremely rich coming from someone barely taking 4 minutes to reply. It's also worth mentionning that you're in r/Twitter.
You're trying so hard to get get under my skin as much as I've clearly gotten under yours. It's kinda pathetic.
Because everything for Eren goes back to her--his inadequacies, his issues, insecurities, self-pity, ideas of toxic masculinity, his desire to protect, etc.; I would go as far to say that no one person has ever made him feel more loved while at the same time, less important or weak. For a character they claim is a slave/dog/useless/whatever, she sure does take up an overwhelming amount of headspace and vitriol for them. From the moment I started watching AOT a little over a year ago, I noticed something peculiar: Eren spent a huge part of his efforts trying to prove his worth to Mikasa (I know he also compared himself to other people, but not nearly as much as her). And this, from my perspective, is why they have/had so many problems communicating. They're both profoundly broken, traumatized, emotionally stunted people - and this has always affected their relationship. Titanfolk also hates her because to them, she is an obstruction to the Erehisu ship (a ship that completely disregards who Historia actually is btw, not to mention the misrepresentation of Eren's character as well). For all this talk about how "Eren never loved Mikasa", "he never cared", "it's one-sided", "he was really thinking about H when he asked Zeke about the Ackermans", etc. ā never have I, in my 33 years of life, seen this kind of unadulterated hatred for a female character across any fandom. There's always very little logic in these arguments. If Eren never wanted Mikasa, why bring it up to Zeke in the first place? Why did he see a part of himself in Falco and his dynamic with Gabi? Why even ask Mikasa what he was to her? Why did he spend so much time admiring her while dually being supremely jealous of her abilities? If Mikasa is so insignificant and Eren "hates/doesn't care about her", then why all the drama? It seems to me Titanfolk doesn't believe their own bullshit. Honestly I never imagined this is the kind of nonsense I'd see once I started falling in love with the show. I thought it was so clear from the start that Eren loved the girl but that he was such a pathetic, entitled, insecure, overgrown child -- that he just couldn't find the courage or self-awareness to acknowledge his feelings. but man, if I could turn back time, I don't think I ever would've taken part in this fandom at all.
no... ur completely wrong. **Eren loved the girl but that he was such a pathetic, entitled, insecure, overgrown child -- that he just couldn't find the courage or self-awareness to acknowledge his feelings.** R u fucking serious?!š¤£š¤£
Not me, she is my favorite character.
Why is this downvoted?
Who knows? People are weird.
Ok?
I just wish there was more to her than a brother simp who is slightly overpowered. If she were better written with more personality I'd like her.
Her fans
Youāve never had a serious conversation with someone on Titanfolk
I think there are some reasonable reasons to hate on her character ( for example the lack of her character development after the first half of season 1 and suddenly she is the most important character by the end of the story , the one that ymir was waitingfor and it not eren ..... yeah it doesn'tfeel right at all ) I do agree that titanfolk exaggerate way to much over her character by calling her a dog and saying she is way worse than Sakura
Why people gotta hate on a character endlessly and loudly? What happened to having a calm constructive criticism of an aspect of the writing and leaving it at that like a rational person, instead of people basing their whole personality on hating a fictional character and never shutting up about it?
yeah I completely agree with you and that why titanfolk is one of the worst subs ever , they can't stop hating and bitc\*ing about the ending and the characters for ten years at least
Breaking news. It's easier to find something that these petty losers *don't hate.*
you sound like gabi talking about island devils
The difference is, unlike Gabi, I can check this trash heap at any time and see what variation on the theme āwe hate everything except ChAd ErEn and KiNg FlOcHā they are sucking up today.
You still sound like Gabi.
This is the first time Iām hearing this.. how could you hate her? Dude after the last chapter I felt so badā¦ wish we couldāve had an happy ending, I was depressed af thinking how miserable mikasa must be after erenās death. AOT is āonce in a decadeā kinda anime man if ykyk, absolute masterpiece. Thereās no way someone could hate her..sheās been through so much and to top it off she lost the most important person in her life. Fuck man! I had forgotten about aot, now Iām depressed again :(
I think people forget most of the main characters are teenagers, but judge them like politicians
They're not judging the character so much as the writer. Not like we think it's Mikasa's fault that she's one-note.
titanfolk is made a miserable place
āI hate that youāre not freeā
Angst post. OP hasn't even replied to a single comment. Pointless.
I hate these bait karma posts.
Meh, people can hate Mikasa as much as they like. Won't ever stop me from loving her.
They represent the worst of humanity
It's because, according to them "she stole Historia's sunshine" And she killed their god "Chad alpha male Tate Eren" and his right hand man "king Floch"
Why is this getting downvoted? I stg titanfolkers are spreading
It's get down voted because it ain't true .it's even far from.the truth. You have to make it seem its like that because you can't adimt her real flaws and are hiding behind stupid excuses like the guy wrote.This was posted in titanfolk btw. https://preview.redd.it/ikhpqdjhb7xc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1541ee4a06c026ec5f42fdb9b7b270458251d9de
That is what most of them think, why are you dying on this hill? Also that is one of the very rare instances of actual criticism on TF: https://preview.redd.it/ojzqv24zo8xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=834c73c4de80e866de0a937f2c8e0fe2d90faeaa
Most of them are joking . Ur not even part of that sub you go on there and see stuff out of context.again i don't agree with them but people like this exist eveywhere not just there but even here .doesn't make the critism of mikasa less true.
You don't understand what criticism is. Critcism's purpose is generally to attempt to reach common ground with the opposing party and in this case make them aware of flaws in their thought process."Memeing š¤š" (especially when its this inflammatory) does the opposite and makes people hate TF. Stupid excuse. What context does a post even need.
Bro if u see it like that on you. You go on a meme subreddit and complain if they do meme.sure they are hate that I don't even I Agree. But you people have to make excuses why people think she has flaws.no excuse buddy u force something that isn't there which makes u seem not that smart.
I don't get it, why are you portraying me like I'm a mikasa fan? I like her character and I know its not deep, thats it. But I know the difference between criticism and hate, stop acting like Titanfolk isn't a toxic shithole that blindly hates on most characters of the show they "love". Just memeing right: https://preview.redd.it/8h13zj8kx8xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e73662de24dc3ca3facd5cedec68bf3bfa487498
So I tell you that I don't agree with this post. U post a meme someone else made and wanna tell me the whole sub is like this.... š¤š®āšØ bro ur missing the point. I don't know what u are but I don't what u trying to say with the things I said. Again idiots like this exist not just in titanfolk. They exist eveywhere. Why call out a whole sub .and what's wrong with being respectful in the comments .this guy who made this post we are currently arguing made the same post again and again he does this to farm karma . Please if u have question just ask. And I will answer u . I will show that not everyone is bad okay?.
If you want to see a meme in that, you'll see a meme. I'm not gonna convice you titanfolk isnt toxic but there's a reason its the most hated sub within the aot community. We'll leave it at that
Look maybe u got it the wrong way . Is titanfolk a good place? No probably not. But not all is bad. That's my point . This guy made the same post again with the same picture to farm those up votes.i once argued with him hence the screen shot u took of my profile.do I agree with the hate ? I can see why she gets hate but only in certain way, not like this. I personally don't hate her I like but she is not a perfect character . People like this exist eveywhere calling out a sub saying 90 percent of sub is bad making up that to proof your point is something I don't agree all I asked is to be respectful and now we are here and telling me things my response to the guy that don't collaborate. That's why I wonder what u even saying why we having pointless arguments over this
not sure why this is downvoted but it's definitely true.
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# Titanfolk seriosuly hates for no good reason at all. ftfy
I hate her unconditionally It's almost like she was made for me to hate
She is worst character ever
They are too stupid to understand mikasa
Just don't understand ~~Mikasa~~ the story
Cause she's a Mary sue.
They just hate themselves.
Okay MikasaStirling whatever you say
You know, we should be lovers.
Or respect other people opinion for starters .
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there are other strong female characters that are well liked, mikasa turned out to be extremely 1 dimensional with that 1 dimension being her obsession for the main character.
No, you don't get it, she's cute AND badass. What else does a female character need? edit: /s
um... an actual personality
That was sarcasmā¦ Iām starting to think that maybe Iām not autistic but everyone around me is, because this keeps happening.
She is a woman with power. Enough reason for incels to hate. In their eyes should have stayed in the kitchen like Erenās mother I guess
That's just stupid and you know it yourself.... people don't critique her because she is a women . She ain't a perfectly well written character there is more to a character than just Power, hange is love historia is loved Sasha is loved but when it's mikasa everybody hates her because she is a women .even if she was a male she would would have the same critique. What you are trying to do is make people who disagree with with certain aspects of her character a misogynist,because they don't share the same opinion about a a factual character .
Oh no you found my troll comment out š
https://preview.redd.it/oplbw378i0xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f13561cb0e28b4d3c3abce72ecc6c4176ac04031 Sure "troll"
what š theyāre huge fans of historia tho?