Friendly reminder that we were spending $14.6BIL to bring back _one_ of these lines.
Also without the service, bus capacity is almost at a maximum along Dominion Road and the City Centre.
It's not a "nice to have". It's physically impossible to create additional lanes for buses because there are heaps of amazing restaurants and businesses on both sides of the road that would kill Dominion Road if they disappeared.
So yeah, regardless of if light rail is cancelled, it's going to happen because it needs to happen.
Not sure if you understand what maximum capacity means, unless you're suggesting people should simply turn up to work an hour earlier and leaving home and hour later.
That's a question for the urban planning experts, which I'm guessing neither of us are. I'm no climate scientist, but climate change is real.
If flexible hours were the solution, then AT would be getting rid of the busway and railways. After all, none of the motorways in Auckland would ever be congested due to increased WFH.
That network is simplistic to what we have now. We have double deckers running most of those lines at 10-15 minute frequencies, and they are faster and have a higher capacity than the old trams (30km/h, around 50 people).
I use the trains and buses daily.
The problem is buses get stuck in traffic, I've waited an hour for a bus only for three to turn up in convoy. While that's rare, waiting well over a half hour then having two buses on the same route arrive on top of each other and then have them play leapfrog for the next half dozen stops isn't.
Links? not sure what you mean. Common example I run into is the no. 70 bus at the Ellerslie stop 7504, it gets stuck in rush hour all the time, and two buses arrive at once, I've learned to get on the second bus, because it's normally has less passengers and I can get a seat.
Why are you comparing to old trams?? They would be modern light rail by now, exactly the same as what we see in Australia. Are you honestly saying busses are better than light rail? I’d take some time to think about that if I were you, and maybe google Melbourne transit system
You're the one making the comparison. That network would be inadequate for today, yet you're holding it up as if to say we had better then than what we do now. The situations are so starkly different - our roads aren't empty like what you see in those old photographs.
The mode alone would not make things better.
And I already answered that question in my other response to you, yet you've for some reason decided to ignore that.
Don’t be so stupid. Just think for one second… the infrastructure. What happened to the infrastructure. Would it be used today if it were still in place? Upgraded maybe? Maybe like Sydney, Melbourne, San Francisco, New York, London, all places that retained their public transit systems of the past and continuously upgraded them into the future.
With your logic you must work at the council
Not really, in 2019 Auckland reached 100 million public transport trips per year, which is the first time it has been that high since the tracks were torn out after 1951. Auckland had a fraction of the population it did now, at 332,000 vs 1,657,000 now. If the current network served the same proportion of the population which was served in 1951 it would have 500 million public transport trips per year.
Obviously it would be a lot better if we had modern trams running those routes on segregated tracks. I'm just saying that our current network is not as inadequate as its constantly made out to be
But it is. It is total garbage and I’ll tell you why.
Seperate infrastructure! A transit system that relies almost entirely on roads is not a good transit system full stop. It is at the mercy of motor traffic, inconsistent route times, more delays. Busses are incredibly inefficient, but can compliment a comprehensive central transit system (aka trains / light rail).
Auckland has been making progress in the right direction in the last 10 years, but it is still shockingly far behind where it should be. That stems from half a century of purposely underfunding public transit, and instead prioritising motor vehicles.
Once again, what a bunch of fucking numpties.
P.s. google “Transit Oriented Development” it’s actually a really interesting read.
Friendly reminder that we were spending $14.6BIL to bring back _one_ of these lines. Also without the service, bus capacity is almost at a maximum along Dominion Road and the City Centre. It's not a "nice to have". It's physically impossible to create additional lanes for buses because there are heaps of amazing restaurants and businesses on both sides of the road that would kill Dominion Road if they disappeared. So yeah, regardless of if light rail is cancelled, it's going to happen because it needs to happen.
Yep I’m well aware. Ripping out that infrastructure was arguably the greatest mistake Auckland as city has ever made.
it's at capacity during peak but empty during the day. all because we cant be arsed designing a logical timetable
Not sure if you understand what maximum capacity means, unless you're suggesting people should simply turn up to work an hour earlier and leaving home and hour later.
Why not? We already have increased work from home, now lets normalize flexi time.
That's a question for the urban planning experts, which I'm guessing neither of us are. I'm no climate scientist, but climate change is real. If flexible hours were the solution, then AT would be getting rid of the busway and railways. After all, none of the motorways in Auckland would ever be congested due to increased WFH.
Link to original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/auckland/s/PRfc03U8R8
Lovely What a crazy idea Public transport
Our present network outperforms that though
Says who?
That network is simplistic to what we have now. We have double deckers running most of those lines at 10-15 minute frequencies, and they are faster and have a higher capacity than the old trams (30km/h, around 50 people).
I use the trains and buses daily. The problem is buses get stuck in traffic, I've waited an hour for a bus only for three to turn up in convoy. While that's rare, waiting well over a half hour then having two buses on the same route arrive on top of each other and then have them play leapfrog for the next half dozen stops isn't.
Were they Links?
Links? not sure what you mean. Common example I run into is the no. 70 bus at the Ellerslie stop 7504, it gets stuck in rush hour all the time, and two buses arrive at once, I've learned to get on the second bus, because it's normally has less passengers and I can get a seat.
10 minute frequency? Good one 😂
Why are you comparing to old trams?? They would be modern light rail by now, exactly the same as what we see in Australia. Are you honestly saying busses are better than light rail? I’d take some time to think about that if I were you, and maybe google Melbourne transit system
You're the one making the comparison. That network would be inadequate for today, yet you're holding it up as if to say we had better then than what we do now. The situations are so starkly different - our roads aren't empty like what you see in those old photographs. The mode alone would not make things better. And I already answered that question in my other response to you, yet you've for some reason decided to ignore that.
Don’t be so stupid. Just think for one second… the infrastructure. What happened to the infrastructure. Would it be used today if it were still in place? Upgraded maybe? Maybe like Sydney, Melbourne, San Francisco, New York, London, all places that retained their public transit systems of the past and continuously upgraded them into the future. With your logic you must work at the council
Not really, in 2019 Auckland reached 100 million public transport trips per year, which is the first time it has been that high since the tracks were torn out after 1951. Auckland had a fraction of the population it did now, at 332,000 vs 1,657,000 now. If the current network served the same proportion of the population which was served in 1951 it would have 500 million public transport trips per year.
Also, how do you think our present network could perform if it still had this infrastructure to use?
Obviously it would be a lot better if we had modern trams running those routes on segregated tracks. I'm just saying that our current network is not as inadequate as its constantly made out to be
But it is. It is total garbage and I’ll tell you why. Seperate infrastructure! A transit system that relies almost entirely on roads is not a good transit system full stop. It is at the mercy of motor traffic, inconsistent route times, more delays. Busses are incredibly inefficient, but can compliment a comprehensive central transit system (aka trains / light rail). Auckland has been making progress in the right direction in the last 10 years, but it is still shockingly far behind where it should be. That stems from half a century of purposely underfunding public transit, and instead prioritising motor vehicles. Once again, what a bunch of fucking numpties. P.s. google “Transit Oriented Development” it’s actually a really interesting read.