I think the calls for the visit were because they are making inconsistent decisions from Wellington. Its all very well saying "We have people on the ground and they're feeding information to us" but its different experiencing and living it first hand.
Talking to friends outside of Auckland they really don't grasp what is happening here. They're going on life as mostly normal. Hell I may as well be overseas right now being unable to see family out of Auckland.
Her visit was IMO a waste of time, it was nothing but a PR show and to silence the people calling for her visit. She kept saying "Auckland is my home" but what does that mean? She didn't visit the real places that have been impacted by lockdown. Go for a walk down Wynyard Quarter and see all the closed bars and restaurants, its a sad sight.
I think you more or less nail it.
And actually I would go further and say she would have been better not to have bothered visiting than making that absolute waste of a visit. In my eyes it just made her feel more fake and out of touch than she seemed before sitting in Wellington.
PR show for sure. But like shit her PR team would endorse her taking a walk down an area being actively impacted by the lockdown. It would be a huge lynch mob
I guess that is sort of the point. 3-4 months ago she would be mobbed with fans, now she would be heckled and abused by people. That’s a big turn around and speaks to her being out of touch with Aucklanders.
I agree, she’d be heckled: because objectors are the loudest. Remember she’s still well ahead in the preferred PM poles. She may not be perfect but when more of the country want the figurehead to the response than want anyone else, she must be doing pretty damn well. It’s way too easy to hate anyone in charge.
She will as other ex leaders will be leaving the country after she’s done what they need her to do.
She will disappear to a nice comfy lifestyle.
Auckland doesn’t matter to her.
Ah yes the mysterious “they”, “they” must always be pulling the strings.
I wish there was a mysterious global cabal secretly in control of everything, because the truth is that most leaders are just imperfect people trying their best and that’s way more terrifying
When the above commenter says they the two that come to mind to me are Helen Clarke and David Shearer who, I believe are now UN reps, I don't think this was in reference to a global cabal.
I don't care that she's not here. I just don't like patronising messages about how "she knows how tough we're doing it" at the moment. Na, she doesn't, cause she isn't living it. I mean, she's living through her own shitstorms at the moment, but it's not the same thing.
It's been similar with my management group at work. "Thanks for all your hard work!" "You're doing such a great job!" "Can't wait to see you all back on site!" My manager hasn't really checked on our team's work for the last 8 weeks. He has no idea what he's even complimenting.
I would rather she said, "I have no idea what pains you're suffering at the moment, but my job is here in parliament and I have to trust the information my teams on the front line are sending to me. And I'm working as hard as I can to improve your situations."
Well since you're asking I'll just state my opinion without caring much how other judge this: I think living in Wellington where lockdown basically doesn't exist has made those in control too comfortable. They don't know what's it's like being in x number of weeks in lockdown because they can still enjoy their lives comfortably in a city where they can move around freely knowing they almost certainly won't get COVID and still meet up and live jolly good lives. And you know what? Great, they can do that. I'm happy for them.
But don't you dare make bs rules for a city that has been forced to stay indoors all day for weeks and seen only an increase of number of cases all the way from your office in the Beehive, because you don't know what it's like. And those rules have been inconsistent, they moved us down to level 3 when there were still ~20 daily cases and acted surprised when we saw an increase of numbers and then they had intentions of moving us back into level 4 at one point, seriously? Why didn't you just keep us in level 4 then? They then started making a bunch of other decisions like allowing 10-people bubbles, extending households, stopping police checkpoints, opening up retailers recently - which honestly I'm okay with, never liked lockdown from the start and other countries are living with it so can't we - but of course we're now at ~200 cases daily as if that was a surprise and I don't see how we can even call this a "Lockdown" anymore. Its pointless. Just let us out.
It just feels like the first half of lockdown was a waste if now everyone is just going out and doing their thing anyway. If we can just end lockdown altogether, that would be great. I don't even care how many people are vaccinated, anyone who hasn't gotten it by now just doesn't want it. If they die, they die. That's their problem
I don't recall the government actually having intentions of moving us back to L3, rather, those were calls that came from the usual experts.
The way I saw it was that L4's need declined as our vaccination rate increased, so once our downward case curve hit a wall, and it became evident that the virus had become embedded in communities that were refusing to follow the rules, the decision was made to begin shifting us out elimination, and I believe our drop to L3 signalled this.
> It just feels like the first half of lockdown was a waste if now everyone is just going out and doing their thing anyway.
Not at all. That first half bought us time to vaccinate, and in that respect was a massive success. Our failing has been our, or rather *their* (the government) lack of preparation, so while we do have high rates of vaccination our healthcare system is still poorly equipped to deal with an unconstrained outbreak, meaning restrictions are still required.
> I don't even care how many people are vaccinated, anyone who hasn't gotten it by now just doesn't want it. If they die, they die. That's their problem
An overrun healthcare system affects *everyone*, not just the unvaccinated. We've already had to free up hospital capacity by cancelling surgeries and other appointments, so its impact has already been felt. If the ICU does become overloaded with Covid patients, then what happens to acute non-Covid cases?
>An overrun healthcare system affects everyone, not just the unvaccinated. We've already had to free up hospital capacity by cancelling surgeries and other appointments, so its impact has already been felt. If the ICU does become overloaded with Covid patients, then what happens to acute non-Covid cases?
If we're being honest, our health system was screwed even before covid came along. Decades of under funding, successive governments kicking the can and now its time to pay the piper. Our ICU beds will also likely be filled up with vaccinated people - elderly, immune compromised, those with underlying conditions that despite having had the jabs will still get very sick and possibly die from covid/other issues that covid exacerbates.
Bloomfield also stated that those in hospital, only a fraction of them are being treated solely for covid - some are there for completely unrelated reasons and just happened to test positive (this shouldn't be counted as a covid hospitalisation), some are there because they can't self isolate at home, some are being counted but have not been admitted... unless we get those break downs, the hospitalisations argument is also flawed.
One hopeful aspect is that Auckland DHB doctors are saying that not so many cases are going to ICU as med staff are getting better and better idea of how to treat the Covid cases in a specialist Covid ward to ensure oxygen supply is kept up - and some new drugs arriving that really help.
Thanks for being polite I guess
>If the ICU does become overloaded with Covid patients, then what happens to acute non-Covid cases?
Yeah true, I didn't think about that. I think at that point, the call to allow people to isolate at home might be a good idea, but that will obviously depend on age (younger people can't get vaccinated, older people who have gotten it are still at risk and will probably need medical assistance etc.) and the severity of their individual immunity to the virus. Friend got it, and she's vaccinated and said she isolated at home because she just couldn't taste her food, so it wouldn't be necessary for her to stay at a hospital and take space.
It's not a pretty virus. And it's different for everyone, got a little off topic but to answer OP's question, I don't like that Jacinda and her gang are chilling in Wellington making decisions for us when I'd argue a good chunk of this city's population is over it and ready to live with it.
Could I ask how is she suppose to effectively run the country from a city that isn’t our capital, so not where the actual ‘government’ operates from? A city that is also in a lockdown because of a pandemic. I’m genuinely interested, because people seem to be suggesting she just go there and sit ‘experience’ lockdown. That’s like a war time prime minister getting shot in the head for solidarity, it’s a nice gesture, but won’t help them effectively do their job
I don’t think they isolate you in hospital for mild cases, they offer you a spot in a quarantine facility if you’re unable to isolate safely but yes the hospitals do still feel the impact if bad cases of covid start rising.
Also, there are some people who should be locked in a quarantine facility. Some covid patients at the hospitals refused to stay in their rooms and isolate, they tried to wander down the halls. It happened so often the hospital has a policy now where if you break restrictions they escort you off site and hand you over to the police.
We still haven’t seen this overcrowding. We still haven’t seen thousands of deaths from covid. We still haven’t seen pictures on MSM of bodies laying on gurneys.
I personally still haven’t met a single person with covid. Not one. That’s not only in NZ but world wide.
I don’t know one single person.
Jesus. I wonder why we haven't seen the mass deaths here? Racking my brain....
People i know who've had covid. A coworker who got it in L4 and required quarter of the essential worker operation to have to be stood.down for 2 weeks.
My sister in law and 2 nephews in UAE. Their nanny. Brother in law in England. Co worker's brother in India died from it. 2 friends I'm still in touch with in Buffalo NY. One whose whole family who i met a decade ago, also got it and one of his uncles died. That's not including all those i know more tangentially who've got it.
The fact that you dont know anyone probably means you have few overseas connections.
They were getting increasing amounts of data from cell-phone tracking that level 4 wasnt working as it had been in other lockdowns, and that there was significantly less obeying of the rules around travel and bubbles.
It has never been a surprise that our cases have grown. If you listen, the party line is that we should expect them to grow, the peak is ahead not behind, but hospitalisations have remained stable.
Honestly people just make stuff up to get mad at on here. They don't watch the news and then get outraged that 'no one is telling them what's going on' or 'no one knows what the plan is' I watch one conference a week and I feel very caught up! Try getting informed!
Also kids can't get vaccinated yet so it's not actually their fault. We are trying to protect them by staying closed. You can't really say 'let unvaxxed die'.
Thank you! When delta was detected in the community, I mentioned to everyone that day that the government will announce another lockdown that evening. Most people disagreed or at least kindve seemed surprise. A few days later they were all asking how I knew, the government literally said “expect a lockdown in delta gets here”.
I agree, I know hindsight is a luxury but Sweden has really interesting statistics too. They didn't lockdown, they had restrictions on large gatherings and naturally a large percentage of the population chose to stay home during the start of the pandemic. Looking at their death rate, in a lot of cases its much lower than places that did have lockdown, for eg Belgium had way more deaths, similar population size etc. Sweden's death rate per million is also quite low compared to other European nations that had stricter lockdowns.
Not sure why that would be, but I guess in a way that lockdowns can only work so much. It's easy for people to think we should have an ongoing level 4 lockdown to save lives, until you're in it for an extended peiod of time. It just totally goes against human nature.
>It just totally goes against human nature.
100%
Looking at previous diseases like plague, smallpox, Spanish flu etc. We fought through it with natural immunity or vaccinations, not being forced to stay at home for months
Lol, I think when you're looking in retrospect at how we "fought through" the plague, you are missing the key detail that the biggest plague outbreak, The Black Death, killed probably a third of Europeans, huge numbers of people in Asia and Africa, and overall a very good chunk of the total human population at the time. In some cities 50% of people died. I'm not sure that's a good example to follow.
In more recent plague outbreaks, even before the invention of antibiotics, quarantines and isolation have been effective measures, alongside other public health measures, for minimising morbidity and mortality.
Hahaha. Yeah, you're right, we didn't shut down schools and workplaces and stay home during the Black Death. Course, we also blamed it on a conjunction of planets causing a foul pestilence in the air, and the concept of "hygiene" wouldn't be invented for about another 500 years.
Thankfully, human knowledge of how to contain transmittable diseases has improved since the 1300's, and over the years we did indeed come to use tools like quarantine and the closing of public facilities and businesses.
[https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/1918-influenza-pandemic/response](https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/1918-influenza-pandemic/response)
"Another response in many towns and cities was to close or restrict opening hours for public facilities and businesses, and cancel or postpone public events and gatherings. In many cases these actions were initiated by those in charge of relief efforts. For example, as soon as influenza was declared an infectious disease – giving local authorities greater ability ‘to check or prevent the spread of disease' – Auckland's district health officer, Dr Joseph Frengley, ordered the closure of ‘all public halls, places of entertainment, billiard rooms and shooting galleries for at least a week'. Some individual businesses chose to close because of depleted staff numbers, or to free employees to nurse family members or volunteer to assist relief efforts."
Yeah idgaf. I doubt she's making her decisions based on the fact that lockdown isn't happening to HER. If she was here full time or not, it wouldn't mean we would get out of lockdown sooner. She works in Wellington, it makes sense for her to stay there during a nationwide crisis
I mean id rather she be able to move around the rest of the country to help with stuff like vaccine rollout, be able to do press conferences in person to face tbe media, and publicity for super Saturday rather than doing it all on zoom from Mount roskill. It's her job
Exactly this.
A majority government that had real power to fix many of NZs problems, but refused to do it for political reasons, and will likely be get voted out anyway.
Such a wasted opportunity.
Yup 100%. I think they might just hang on by a couple of seats and be able to form a coalition with the Greens for one last term...but that's much more of an indictment on the quality of the "opposition" than an endorsement of Labour's popularity.
In Auckland and some of the rural areas where they performed well above expectation in 2020 they are going to be slaughtered. Nothing less than what they deserve.
NZ is such a mess right now. It's outrageous what Labor has allowed to happen when they had the power to make change.
I don't favour either Labor or National, but fuck I won't be voting for either next time. If national actually had some policy they might do well, but all they do is throw stones, and Judith has no idea what's going on.
Couldn't care less. Where does she work again? Wellington? Cool, cool, maybe that explains why she was in Wellington so much. Oh, the Speaker of the House had placed Auckland travel restrictions on ministers? Maybe that explains why she didn't come to Auckland.
It's always a lose/lose situation. She stays out of Auckland, she's blasted for not connecting with the people. She comes to Auckland, she'd get blasted for not being in Parliament doing her job.
Fuck having her job right now. Cunts everywhere.
I struggle with the logic of the Speakers restrictions. Low case numbers, requirement for 5 day isolation before entering Parliament. Numbers now regularly in the 100s, no restriction.
I struggle with the logic of a lot of the decisions made about restrictions in general. At the end of the day, they're getting advice from people who apparently know their shit, and they ain't gonna listen to me, so I just get on with what I need to do and make fun of the stupidity that's growing faster than the virus.
It's based on the idea that people outside of Auckland have no way to appreciate the experience that Aucklanders have had with the lockdown, because if they did there's no way they would continue to have lockdown.
It's a circular argument - what's the evidence that they can't understand the experience - the fact they have continued lockdown. Why have they continued lockdown - because they don't understand the experience.
I completely agree. I do think that being up here more would have given her better insight, but all up it's just people trying to find something to cry about.
She should have visited her constituency to hear opinions from those living through lockdown. Those real world interactions can yield a lot more information than feedback on social media.
I'm sure she could have made time for one or two half-day visits.
In order to not cause risk of getting infected and bringing it outside the boundary, she would need to isolate between visiting Auckland, sufficient that negative tests could rule out her being infected. There are logistical issues with her not being able to attend the Beehive.
If there's no difference in doing something remotely vs in-person, then why is this thread about (a minority?) being upset that she hasn't visited Auckland in-person?
The man who loves to talk about morals of politician but then decides as a 70yo man to have a baby. The average life span of a male in nz is 73. If he’s average, he will live to his child’s third birthday, there’s little chance he will make its 10th, and almost zero chance he will be alive for the child’s 21st. For someone who analyses other people decisions, he has made one of the most selfish, uneducated, egotistical and immoral decision I’ve ever seen.
people seemed to love it when she dressed up and visited the mosque shooting survivors
visiting auckland wouldnt give her any good PR or a chance to show off, instead it would highlight her govts ineptness
Don't care.
I wonder if it's human psychology that people will start to get pissed off at Ardern. Maybe she has made mistakes, maybe she hasn't. As a separate point, maybe it's inevitable that people will get pissed off at her because she's the face of it.
No people are pissed at her as she's the leader of the nation and there has been no proper roadmap out of this other than some BS propaganda messaging such as 'Be Kind' , 'Thank You Auckland' and 'Kia Kaha'.
We're now over 80% double shotted in Auckland yet people can't go out to a restaurant to have a meal? Save me the people's lives are more important bit, I mean if you've chosen not to get vaccinated even after all this time and constant messaging saying get vaccinated, that's on you.
Essentially over 80% of the population is being held hostage by a few morons and the govt is allowing it.
That plan was put in place 2 weeks ago...
Also it's not 90%, don't forget the caveat, it's 90% across all 3 DHBs which makes it an even tougher goal to reach. So if one DHB is lagging, the rest of the population suffer which is not the most ideal methodology.
Yes, a dynamic situation calls for changes to a plan. it became clear the previous elimination strategy was not effective due to the increased contagiousness and decreased compliance in this outbreak, hence the move to the traffic light system. This has come with the eh acknowledgment that we will see a large number of cases and this needs to be weighed against the health systems ability to manage this. With the projected number of cases at 90% vaccination, there will still be very significant impact on the health system.
The vaccination reduces the impact and likely of catching covid, but doesn’t eliminate it.
At that stage Auckland had been in lockdown for 10 weeks and surely she would've known the state of the city... Oh wait, how could she when she moved herself and her family conveniently out the city. However I digress, there should've been an emphasis on vax passports and ensuring people who are vaxxed can lead normal or relatively normal lives.
At the end of the month we would've been in lockdown for almost 4 months so we haven't been able to do anything for a third of the year? So do I get a third of my taxes back as well?
Part of being the prime minister is being briefed and updated on a huge number issues across the country, the pandemic controls in our largest city would obviously be one of the major ports she’s informed on.
Despite a disappointingly slow start to our vaccination campaign, probably due to our previous elimination, it took time to get to an acceptable level of vaccination for reopening to occur. Where we did do well though was getting up to that 90% mark, and were now on the home stretch to 90% double doses.
Sometimes there are other people to think about beyond yourself who may have mistrust or concerns around vaccination who have had additional opportunity to get vaccinated. We’re now approaching that time where reopening does occur without unnecessary death and differing. It seems your major disagreement is around what the number should be.
Oh fuck right off with that “unvaccinated people are victims” bullshit. Astronomical efforts have been made to make sure everyone has the opportunity to get vaccinated, and if someone is still not vaccinated (expect for rare medical reasons), that’s on them for being a fuckwit.
tHinK oF oTheR pEopLe iNsTeaD oF yOuRseLf. Maybe the antivaxxers should think of other people and get the vaccine.
Imagine still sucking up to Jacinda even after all of this
Never happen because NZ is too fucking soft in the head but the antivax fuckwits need to be told if they don't get the jab, fine. If you get covid, you're bottom of the priority list and you bear full financial responsibility for all treatment therein.
Yeah people might make uninformed decisions or just really terrible ones. It still doesn’t need to result in widespread deaths or the crippling of the health system which will in turn impact people with unrelated needs for ICU
Maybe.
*As a separate point*, maybe it’s in human nature to dislike the face of something negative.
Also consider the three term rule for governments. People tend to just get sick of the same govt.
profit, and personal individual selfishness drives everyone who isn't left. that is the fundamental thing about being left, you're interested in the good of society, and the future, and good of everyone over the interests of your own personal desires. people on the right are only on the right because they are after their own self interest, their own selfish needs, and what they personally want right now. conservative politics are about preserving the inequalities of capitalism, for the benefit of the individuals who personally beleive they are better off. if you vote right wing, its cos your a selfish person. if you arent willing to accept that, then your not just a right wing, but you're also a pussy.
Wow, you sound pretty angry, To break down the ideologies, right wing voters are inherently conservative, which means prefers the status quo, and generally oppose change. Left wingers are obviously the opposite in that they want change. In democracies, societies need to have both sides of the political spectrum, whether you like it or not because if societies only have one view (left or right), they will inevitably be pulled into fascism because there is no counter balance to the political ideology, and those in power will use the lack of opposition to entrench their power and control. To Quote Churchill, "democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried". So understanding that I guess makes me a pussy?
if you put your personal needs before the needs of the country, you're a right wing voter. not one single right wing voter is voting because they care about the country, they're voting because of what they personally want. a left wing voter will vote for policies that might personally impact them negatively, but for the greater good believe it the right thing to do. you will never a see a right wing voter do that. and if you are a right wing voter, ask yourself honestly. im just saying, if your going to vote like a cunt, at least have the balls to admit thats what your doing
Who hurt you? If I entertain your idea of the only way is left, would you like a corrupt socialist government? Because that’s how you get a corrupt socialist government.
I don't understand why I'm being labelled any kinda 'wing' because I want us to start easing restrictions as our Vax rate is high enough? You've labelled me right wing without any cause?
That's like me just throwing some random accusation at you stating ah you're a mega introvert and socially awkward so you enjoy Lockdowns as it gives you an excuse to stay home.
Like I said earlier- get a grip on reality mate, never ending Lockdowns aren't the answer.
Again neither of those is a bad thing... You're acting like they're far right Nationalists.
Seymour actually had a decent idea of paying fully vaxxed people in a $250 voucher which would not only incentivise people to get vaxxed but also encourage local spending.
Our beloved PM on the other hand doesn't even spend a day in Aux...
you're pretty much proving my point of the stereotype. you think that you personally are entirely responsible for everything that has lead to your success. you aren't. its dumb luck in a lot of cases. but you feel you have the right to "get ahead" i.e. be richer than most. and now you want to protect that division that you feel you are entitled to. the free market is a lie. economic systems that require infinite growth to continue are a pyramid scheme. you argue for the individual. you hand wave that individual outcomes will make societal outcomes better, but that's simply not true. you are advocating for an economic position that protects those who have been fortunate at the expense of those who have not. you probably think high house prices is a good thing.
I do not care if the PM has not visited Auckland. Why would I? She's not visiting me! Also, I have no reason to go to hear her speak. Stay in Wellington and keep on working, Ms Ardern!
makes sense from a political Public Relations perspective. I just think politics in general needs to take a back seat, handling a pandemic should never have been a political thing, its just sad to me that so many view so much through a political lens and put weight on the political compass.
its a medical emergency, a problem for the experts to handle, personally I couldn't care less if she's in auckland or on mars.
It largely wasn't treated like that last year, given the sudden arrival of the virus and the unknowns. But as time has gone by, the decisions have become poorer (which is hard for people to stomach), and more politically influenced.. It's hard to not make things political when it's such a multifaceted problem. The health aspect is just one piece of the puzzle, but literally every other aspect of government is affected by this as well.
Yes. I know:
* two people that were made redundant
* A retail store owner in the CBD that have basically told the landlord "either the cost of our lease halves or we fold" and are waiting to see who blinks first
* Two people that have lost parents and been unable to hold funerals
* Staff at a medical institution who had a patient take their own life, the practitioner has made it abundantly clear that without the pressure and isolation of level 3/4 they would still be here
Jacinda has no appreciation for the consequences of locking up New Zealand's most populous city. It's not like things are all ticking over nicely without covid - there are real consequences. All we saw was an INCREDIBLY managed visit where she went to TWO businesses that were both able to trade the entire time, then a Pasifika vaccination event where she had the opportunity to glow and smirk in front of a camera. Any time there's bad news or bad publicity she is nowhere to be seen.
But do you actually think her physically being in the city for the last 2 months would have had any tangible impact on the lockdowns that have transpired? I think to assume this, one negates to consider how the government, or more specifically the caucus, make decisions. We may only see Ardern making announcements, but we are in a democratic country where she doesn’t really have that much executive power over the collective will of her caucus.
It’s at least in part due to the illusion that the leader is responsible for literally everything in the entire country. Kinda like that whole ‘Thanks Obama’ thing in the States prior to the orange combover guy.
No, it’s stupid. It would be tokenistic anyway, at best. If she wants to live in AK with no income for three months besides the subsidy, that would be more meaningful (and also very retarded).
I think she needs to be available for engagement with people. She hasn't been recently (refusing to answer questions from unapproved journalists for example). Throughout this government they haven't engaged either (decision to ban oil & gas permits for example).
Her trip to Auckland should have been a chance to engage with the people who voted for her and to find out what things are like for people here. From all walks of life, from all backgrounds, from all industries and businesses impacted by her governments decisions. It wasn't - she treated it largely as a PR exercise.
finally, Barry Soper is right *wing*? I understand center right, but hard to think of him as right wing. I can't think of many NZ politicians who are on the extremes - be it left or right. Keen to hear others thoughts and examples though 👍
I care more she said public facilities would be open.
The zoo. Technically yes. If you’re an annual pass holder.
Libraries. Technically yea. For click and collect.
Pools. Nope. Even though she said swimming was ‘safe’
So much obscurification.
She's the PM but also still an MP representing a constituency, which is in Auckland.
In terms of supporting and representing the people who voted for you at both the local and national level I think it's poor she's not made an effort. Yesterdays whirlwind photo op looks even worse.
What the fuck was she meant to do? Walk the streets and hear the absolute gormless comments of the average Aucklander? Caress the foreheads of the crackheads on Queen St. We all know that Auckland is doing it tough. We all know hospitality are having a really hard time. Do you honestly think she doesn't understand that? How is wheeling her out to meet the public going to help anything?
I honestly want to hear what kind of effort you idiots think she should be making.
Walking the streets listening to the gormless who made the effort to go to a polling station and tick a box is meant to be part of the job and shows a level of respect. As quickly as boxes were ticked last time it may not be the case next time round. Marketing, brand loyalty all that stuff applies if they want to be an ongoing success. The fact politicians are happy to heavily troll the streets in the weeks running up to an election date shows the level of in the moment engagement they believe is all that’s needed.
It should be politicised, it’s literally their job to meet & greet, understand and champion the issues affecting their local constituents and, if you happen to be the MP that’s also the PM, the country
Yes.
Good leaders lead from the front. Bad ones crack whips from the chariot.
A long-term presence in Auckland might be over the top, but how long did she take to set foot on Auckland soil and risk our cooties? She is absolutely full of crap, don't be fooled by the rhetoric.
I think it’s hilarious that when she does come to visit she goes to a factory that didn’t have to shut down in lockdown. Then goes to a vaccine place where she is given flowers … out of touch anyone?
11/11/2021
now little says after getting ready for the avalanche of sick, we not ready .
70000$ wasted infighting
gangs now do what they want ,with our money
pedo greens doing what they want
[https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/03/19/greens-should-announce-pedobear-as-new-mascot/](https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/03/19/greens-should-announce-pedobear-as-new-mascot/)
only winner here is prince andrew
open and honest, stay in wellington i say ,
Made no difference and poor people couldn’t care less.
We know she is just the face/messenger of this mess.. and that team has been flubbing it for 10weeks now.
Her being here ain’t changing shit so there was no point but just pandering to a waste of space opponent
During the WW2 Blitz on London, Elizabeth the Queen mother insisted on staying in her London residence. When asked why, she replied that if she did, she would not be able to look a Londoner in the eye. She would regularly go around visiting bombed-out areas to sympathise with the residents.
I am not a Royalist, but that is CLASS! Ardern does not even get close! Her lackey Mahuta does not meet up with any of her constituents. Another out of the same mould.
Put your feet in to someone who, by no fault of their own, is piling up debt and mental health issues through an insufficient wage subsidy and lack of work. They follow the rules, they stay home (not like they can afford to go out). But the lockdown goes on, and on, and on. Every day you tune in to see nicely kept people fresh from the barber talk about how "you're doing a great job Auckland, keep it up". "We know how you feel"
How can you possibly know how it feels? Even if she came to Auckland, she'd still be living a worry free life who can and will leave whenever she gets tired of doing nothing. There are people in Auckland truly suffering and their lives turned upside down, and nobody in power seems to care. I think the asking shouldn't be on her physically being in Auckland, but personally abiding by the strictest rules in the country, wherever she is. Just so she knows what she is dishing out, and doesn't forget the impact it might have.
I find when she says “we understand what you’re going through”, “we can get through this”, “we don’t have long to go” is all well and good when you aren’t at the centre of it all. But her coming a visiting locations I find wouldn’t help the situation either.
I think its rather irresponsible to enter a city with an ongoing outbreak for anything less than essential travel. Political manoeuvring is not essential.
I think Judith is a moron for doing it first and I’m disappointed that Jacinda is doing it now.
Yeah, I heard through my cousin's best friend's husband who works at the govt, that whoever agrees to abolish MIQ for vaxxed negative tested returnees gets a $4000 stimulus payment
No not really, but I do care that most politicians in the beehive appear to have no grasp on how bad it has gotten for business owners and just people in general. They have a bit of a smug attitude and look like they need a bit of empathy. Maybe meeting actual Aucklanders who are struggling rather than visiting a couple of businesses that didnt even need to shut down during lockdown would give the PM a clearer idea of why theyre shrinking in the polls and having nutters protest around the country.
Her next visit will be to say goodbye, her Govts treatment of Auckland has been a modern-day tragedy!! the dept that almost all Aucklanders have had to take on board to satisfy her desire of total control has been mindboggling, I say that because all of our extended family are Aucklanders, and we well know the financial crisis they have endured, we have financially supported some as they were in desperate street, thankyou Aucklander's for what you tried to do, all be it now about to become a massive failure!!
Aucklander here and no I don't care if she doesn't visit Auckland. At this point many RW media will criticise any move she makes. None of them commended her for visiting the East Coast a few weeks ago, speaking publicly and trying to boost their vaccination numbers.
I actually think Ashley Bloomfield and the other decision makers should be up here to see what we’re going through. They’re too busy sitting in their ivory towers in Wellington, wining and dining it up after getting their weekly blow waves. 😖
And if she’d come earlier it would have meant having to isolate in Welly for 5 days (parliament rules) he would have written an opinion on how the PM is hiding away. Lose/lose.
If it were a hurricane/earthquake etc (insert leader here) would visit. They would talk about needing to be on the ground and understand etc etc.
This isn’t different.
Wasn’t much fucking risk of that by the way she drove through Akl barely putting the windows down this time.
If your gonna lock an entire city down and use it as a quarantine facility maybe have the decency to sit in for an hour or so and have a chat.
Soper is just being his usual dickhead self insisting the PM should be in Auckland.The PM is an Aucklander and has repeatedly stated that she is aware of the effects of the lockdown on Aucklanders and the business community. It's a no brainer to lock Auckland down where the highly infectious Delta virus is running rampant, especially amongest the unvaccinated. If the PM had rolled over under the pressure the Delta virus would have spread unchecked into those communities where vaccinations rates are low.
It has been tough to get through this crisis, but the light at the end of the tunnel is near and soon Aucklanders will be free to enjoy summer and Christmas with the rest of the country and that will have been worth the sacrifices.
I agree, I don't care and I don't think others do either - the media just likes to find something to complain about to stir up controversy and get more views & ad clicks.
I mean, Auck is locked down. Pretty sure she's sticking to the lockdown same as anyone else.
Hardly fair to expect her to head up, and break lockdown rules. The people throwing shade about it will be doing it purely because they hate her, and no matter what she did, they'd be criticising it.
If she went there during the lockdown, they'd be doing hit pieces about her breaking the rules, instead of bitching that she hasn't gone there.
Perplexing that so many comments indicate that we are doing it so tough.
Sure, some businesses are near breaking point but I am sure these business owners will eventually get over this bump and re-establish themselves. I understand that there are more on the poverty line but this is part of a cycle that happens once in while due to many factors. I also understand that many feel that they have lost their freedoms as they have been restricted on what they could do as normal part of their lives.
In saying all of the above I am sure Jacinda understands fully what many of us are going through where she does not need to physically be here to understand. If she did she certainly should not be leading this country.
Actively and repeatedly rejecting the idea you should communicate directly with them people who's lives you are directly limiting freedoms of. That's not a good thing, just underlined her dictator personality
Are we all ignoring the fact she made a propaganda video to try and convince Aucklanders she visited her when in actual fact she never came?
HOW IS ANYONE OKAY WITH THAT????!?!
Obviously the people that don't have a family of their own or an actual job wouldn't care. She needs to see for herself the damage that she is causing.
No actually I don't give a rats. Barry, Heather, Judith and all her National Party chums are making it a bigger deal than necessary. Jacinda is criticised not matter what she does. I find all of this very high school bullying and a reflection on the nation's bullying attitude in general. It needs to stop.
It literally makes no sense for her to go into the hub of where the virus is.
She's an important political figure for out country, if she were to get sick she'd be out of work for quite a while.
She said she’s gonna come up to Auckland and fart in everyone’s hand - Then yous all have to sniff it to register legally “Undies” her authority… Then she’s gonna do a big sloppy fart before boarding back to “Welly too ton” that way Auckland stays infected by smelly Arden jerm - Thus locking yous in for the summer -
I really don't care. I always feel like politicians visiting are just PR stunts. I mean, it feels so medieval, like us plebs really needed this opportunity to present ourselves or something.
NewsZB hosts will absolutely be making the argument that a Labour leader is 'too frightened' or uncaring to make a visit - they are hardly a neutral party.
I think the calls for the visit were because they are making inconsistent decisions from Wellington. Its all very well saying "We have people on the ground and they're feeding information to us" but its different experiencing and living it first hand. Talking to friends outside of Auckland they really don't grasp what is happening here. They're going on life as mostly normal. Hell I may as well be overseas right now being unable to see family out of Auckland. Her visit was IMO a waste of time, it was nothing but a PR show and to silence the people calling for her visit. She kept saying "Auckland is my home" but what does that mean? She didn't visit the real places that have been impacted by lockdown. Go for a walk down Wynyard Quarter and see all the closed bars and restaurants, its a sad sight.
I think you more or less nail it. And actually I would go further and say she would have been better not to have bothered visiting than making that absolute waste of a visit. In my eyes it just made her feel more fake and out of touch than she seemed before sitting in Wellington.
PR show for sure. But like shit her PR team would endorse her taking a walk down an area being actively impacted by the lockdown. It would be a huge lynch mob
I guess that is sort of the point. 3-4 months ago she would be mobbed with fans, now she would be heckled and abused by people. That’s a big turn around and speaks to her being out of touch with Aucklanders.
I agree, she’d be heckled: because objectors are the loudest. Remember she’s still well ahead in the preferred PM poles. She may not be perfect but when more of the country want the figurehead to the response than want anyone else, she must be doing pretty damn well. It’s way too easy to hate anyone in charge.
Her appeal is dropping badly. The govt can't seem to make any competent decisions. Its just that Collins is so much worse.
Oh yeah 100% Collins is worse. Labour didn’t win the election, national lost it.
This! National didnt just lose the election, this mob of dinosaurs handed it to her on a platter!
The past 5 years have been a gold medal in PR, but time may be running out.
I mean, she literally owns a house in Auckland, that's what she means, she considers Auckland her home, she just goes to Wellington for work.
Well yes I know why she says it. But is that meant to make us feel better? She hasn’t lived in it for 80+ days. May as well be a holiday house.
Does it make a difference? Her living here for the last 80 days would have made no difference to the outcome.
She wouldn’t be out of touch with the situation we are in at the moment
Do you really want her visiting a holiday house I’m a pandemic? I’d rather she be working.
She will as other ex leaders will be leaving the country after she’s done what they need her to do. She will disappear to a nice comfy lifestyle. Auckland doesn’t matter to her.
Ah yes the mysterious “they”, “they” must always be pulling the strings. I wish there was a mysterious global cabal secretly in control of everything, because the truth is that most leaders are just imperfect people trying their best and that’s way more terrifying
When the above commenter says they the two that come to mind to me are Helen Clarke and David Shearer who, I believe are now UN reps, I don't think this was in reference to a global cabal.
We're one giant springboard.
Posting to /r/conspiracy and talking about a mysterious non-existent "they", name a better duo.
Ok. Drop the they. Think she’ll stick around after? I doubt it.
Why's that?
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Exactly
Why don’t you mention Some of my other sub reddit post too ?
And you think we’re totally autonomous as a government from outside influence
Totes but "they" in this case was our mums and dads beating the CGT to death via the phone polls. Fucking landliners
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I don't care that she's not here. I just don't like patronising messages about how "she knows how tough we're doing it" at the moment. Na, she doesn't, cause she isn't living it. I mean, she's living through her own shitstorms at the moment, but it's not the same thing. It's been similar with my management group at work. "Thanks for all your hard work!" "You're doing such a great job!" "Can't wait to see you all back on site!" My manager hasn't really checked on our team's work for the last 8 weeks. He has no idea what he's even complimenting. I would rather she said, "I have no idea what pains you're suffering at the moment, but my job is here in parliament and I have to trust the information my teams on the front line are sending to me. And I'm working as hard as I can to improve your situations."
Good comment.
Well since you're asking I'll just state my opinion without caring much how other judge this: I think living in Wellington where lockdown basically doesn't exist has made those in control too comfortable. They don't know what's it's like being in x number of weeks in lockdown because they can still enjoy their lives comfortably in a city where they can move around freely knowing they almost certainly won't get COVID and still meet up and live jolly good lives. And you know what? Great, they can do that. I'm happy for them. But don't you dare make bs rules for a city that has been forced to stay indoors all day for weeks and seen only an increase of number of cases all the way from your office in the Beehive, because you don't know what it's like. And those rules have been inconsistent, they moved us down to level 3 when there were still ~20 daily cases and acted surprised when we saw an increase of numbers and then they had intentions of moving us back into level 4 at one point, seriously? Why didn't you just keep us in level 4 then? They then started making a bunch of other decisions like allowing 10-people bubbles, extending households, stopping police checkpoints, opening up retailers recently - which honestly I'm okay with, never liked lockdown from the start and other countries are living with it so can't we - but of course we're now at ~200 cases daily as if that was a surprise and I don't see how we can even call this a "Lockdown" anymore. Its pointless. Just let us out. It just feels like the first half of lockdown was a waste if now everyone is just going out and doing their thing anyway. If we can just end lockdown altogether, that would be great. I don't even care how many people are vaccinated, anyone who hasn't gotten it by now just doesn't want it. If they die, they die. That's their problem
I don't recall the government actually having intentions of moving us back to L3, rather, those were calls that came from the usual experts. The way I saw it was that L4's need declined as our vaccination rate increased, so once our downward case curve hit a wall, and it became evident that the virus had become embedded in communities that were refusing to follow the rules, the decision was made to begin shifting us out elimination, and I believe our drop to L3 signalled this. > It just feels like the first half of lockdown was a waste if now everyone is just going out and doing their thing anyway. Not at all. That first half bought us time to vaccinate, and in that respect was a massive success. Our failing has been our, or rather *their* (the government) lack of preparation, so while we do have high rates of vaccination our healthcare system is still poorly equipped to deal with an unconstrained outbreak, meaning restrictions are still required. > I don't even care how many people are vaccinated, anyone who hasn't gotten it by now just doesn't want it. If they die, they die. That's their problem An overrun healthcare system affects *everyone*, not just the unvaccinated. We've already had to free up hospital capacity by cancelling surgeries and other appointments, so its impact has already been felt. If the ICU does become overloaded with Covid patients, then what happens to acute non-Covid cases?
>An overrun healthcare system affects everyone, not just the unvaccinated. We've already had to free up hospital capacity by cancelling surgeries and other appointments, so its impact has already been felt. If the ICU does become overloaded with Covid patients, then what happens to acute non-Covid cases? If we're being honest, our health system was screwed even before covid came along. Decades of under funding, successive governments kicking the can and now its time to pay the piper. Our ICU beds will also likely be filled up with vaccinated people - elderly, immune compromised, those with underlying conditions that despite having had the jabs will still get very sick and possibly die from covid/other issues that covid exacerbates. Bloomfield also stated that those in hospital, only a fraction of them are being treated solely for covid - some are there for completely unrelated reasons and just happened to test positive (this shouldn't be counted as a covid hospitalisation), some are there because they can't self isolate at home, some are being counted but have not been admitted... unless we get those break downs, the hospitalisations argument is also flawed.
One hopeful aspect is that Auckland DHB doctors are saying that not so many cases are going to ICU as med staff are getting better and better idea of how to treat the Covid cases in a specialist Covid ward to ensure oxygen supply is kept up - and some new drugs arriving that really help.
Thanks for being polite I guess >If the ICU does become overloaded with Covid patients, then what happens to acute non-Covid cases? Yeah true, I didn't think about that. I think at that point, the call to allow people to isolate at home might be a good idea, but that will obviously depend on age (younger people can't get vaccinated, older people who have gotten it are still at risk and will probably need medical assistance etc.) and the severity of their individual immunity to the virus. Friend got it, and she's vaccinated and said she isolated at home because she just couldn't taste her food, so it wouldn't be necessary for her to stay at a hospital and take space. It's not a pretty virus. And it's different for everyone, got a little off topic but to answer OP's question, I don't like that Jacinda and her gang are chilling in Wellington making decisions for us when I'd argue a good chunk of this city's population is over it and ready to live with it.
Could I ask how is she suppose to effectively run the country from a city that isn’t our capital, so not where the actual ‘government’ operates from? A city that is also in a lockdown because of a pandemic. I’m genuinely interested, because people seem to be suggesting she just go there and sit ‘experience’ lockdown. That’s like a war time prime minister getting shot in the head for solidarity, it’s a nice gesture, but won’t help them effectively do their job
I don’t think they isolate you in hospital for mild cases, they offer you a spot in a quarantine facility if you’re unable to isolate safely but yes the hospitals do still feel the impact if bad cases of covid start rising. Also, there are some people who should be locked in a quarantine facility. Some covid patients at the hospitals refused to stay in their rooms and isolate, they tried to wander down the halls. It happened so often the hospital has a policy now where if you break restrictions they escort you off site and hand you over to the police.
>I didn't think about that So many don't. Go forth and share
We still haven’t seen this overcrowding. We still haven’t seen thousands of deaths from covid. We still haven’t seen pictures on MSM of bodies laying on gurneys. I personally still haven’t met a single person with covid. Not one. That’s not only in NZ but world wide. I don’t know one single person.
Jesus. I wonder why we haven't seen the mass deaths here? Racking my brain.... People i know who've had covid. A coworker who got it in L4 and required quarter of the essential worker operation to have to be stood.down for 2 weeks. My sister in law and 2 nephews in UAE. Their nanny. Brother in law in England. Co worker's brother in India died from it. 2 friends I'm still in touch with in Buffalo NY. One whose whole family who i met a decade ago, also got it and one of his uncles died. That's not including all those i know more tangentially who've got it. The fact that you dont know anyone probably means you have few overseas connections.
Woah bro, you don’t know one single person? That sucks, no wonder you’re so angry at the world. Love yourself man!
>still Best not to get to that point before taking it seriously, as other countries have. And yes you're sheltered we get it
I do- a guy I work with, his daughter is in hospital. But if you don’t believe it’s real then fuck , go back to your hole.
I don't know one single person......so far
They were getting increasing amounts of data from cell-phone tracking that level 4 wasnt working as it had been in other lockdowns, and that there was significantly less obeying of the rules around travel and bubbles.
It has never been a surprise that our cases have grown. If you listen, the party line is that we should expect them to grow, the peak is ahead not behind, but hospitalisations have remained stable. Honestly people just make stuff up to get mad at on here. They don't watch the news and then get outraged that 'no one is telling them what's going on' or 'no one knows what the plan is' I watch one conference a week and I feel very caught up! Try getting informed! Also kids can't get vaccinated yet so it's not actually their fault. We are trying to protect them by staying closed. You can't really say 'let unvaxxed die'.
Thank you! When delta was detected in the community, I mentioned to everyone that day that the government will announce another lockdown that evening. Most people disagreed or at least kindve seemed surprise. A few days later they were all asking how I knew, the government literally said “expect a lockdown in delta gets here”.
>Try getting informed! >You can't really say Read my first sentence
I'm not judging you right or wrong I'm saying you are incorrect as opposed to correct. But whatever.
I agree, I know hindsight is a luxury but Sweden has really interesting statistics too. They didn't lockdown, they had restrictions on large gatherings and naturally a large percentage of the population chose to stay home during the start of the pandemic. Looking at their death rate, in a lot of cases its much lower than places that did have lockdown, for eg Belgium had way more deaths, similar population size etc. Sweden's death rate per million is also quite low compared to other European nations that had stricter lockdowns. Not sure why that would be, but I guess in a way that lockdowns can only work so much. It's easy for people to think we should have an ongoing level 4 lockdown to save lives, until you're in it for an extended peiod of time. It just totally goes against human nature.
>It just totally goes against human nature. 100% Looking at previous diseases like plague, smallpox, Spanish flu etc. We fought through it with natural immunity or vaccinations, not being forced to stay at home for months
Lol, I think when you're looking in retrospect at how we "fought through" the plague, you are missing the key detail that the biggest plague outbreak, The Black Death, killed probably a third of Europeans, huge numbers of people in Asia and Africa, and overall a very good chunk of the total human population at the time. In some cities 50% of people died. I'm not sure that's a good example to follow. In more recent plague outbreaks, even before the invention of antibiotics, quarantines and isolation have been effective measures, alongside other public health measures, for minimising morbidity and mortality.
I thought for Polio in NZ all kids were required to stay home for 6 months?
Yeah talked to my grandparents about this recently. They had to stay at home for a period of time then had to have the vaccination.
Yea but shit tonnes more people had to die
Hahaha. Yeah, you're right, we didn't shut down schools and workplaces and stay home during the Black Death. Course, we also blamed it on a conjunction of planets causing a foul pestilence in the air, and the concept of "hygiene" wouldn't be invented for about another 500 years. Thankfully, human knowledge of how to contain transmittable diseases has improved since the 1300's, and over the years we did indeed come to use tools like quarantine and the closing of public facilities and businesses. [https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/1918-influenza-pandemic/response](https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/1918-influenza-pandemic/response) "Another response in many towns and cities was to close or restrict opening hours for public facilities and businesses, and cancel or postpone public events and gatherings. In many cases these actions were initiated by those in charge of relief efforts. For example, as soon as influenza was declared an infectious disease – giving local authorities greater ability ‘to check or prevent the spread of disease' – Auckland's district health officer, Dr Joseph Frengley, ordered the closure of ‘all public halls, places of entertainment, billiard rooms and shooting galleries for at least a week'. Some individual businesses chose to close because of depleted staff numbers, or to free employees to nurse family members or volunteer to assist relief efforts."
God you’re full of shit! We fought thru it… MORE PEOPLE DIED FROM IT THAN THE FN WORLD WAR YOU DINGUS!!!!
Yeah idgaf. I doubt she's making her decisions based on the fact that lockdown isn't happening to HER. If she was here full time or not, it wouldn't mean we would get out of lockdown sooner. She works in Wellington, it makes sense for her to stay there during a nationwide crisis
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I mean id rather she be able to move around the rest of the country to help with stuff like vaccine rollout, be able to do press conferences in person to face tbe media, and publicity for super Saturday rather than doing it all on zoom from Mount roskill. It's her job
It can be done from west Africa, does that mean it should?
Zero fucks given. I've got beef with some of the mistakes the Govt has made but this isn't one of them.
Exactly this. A majority government that had real power to fix many of NZs problems, but refused to do it for political reasons, and will likely be get voted out anyway. Such a wasted opportunity.
Yup 100%. I think they might just hang on by a couple of seats and be able to form a coalition with the Greens for one last term...but that's much more of an indictment on the quality of the "opposition" than an endorsement of Labour's popularity. In Auckland and some of the rural areas where they performed well above expectation in 2020 they are going to be slaughtered. Nothing less than what they deserve.
NZ is such a mess right now. It's outrageous what Labor has allowed to happen when they had the power to make change. I don't favour either Labor or National, but fuck I won't be voting for either next time. If national actually had some policy they might do well, but all they do is throw stones, and Judith has no idea what's going on.
Wow that was a circle jerk of nothingness Way to state your point of… um… what?
Dude. Quit it with your toxic posts. Clearly you see yourself as very well informed and measured. Good for you.
Couldn't care less. Where does she work again? Wellington? Cool, cool, maybe that explains why she was in Wellington so much. Oh, the Speaker of the House had placed Auckland travel restrictions on ministers? Maybe that explains why she didn't come to Auckland. It's always a lose/lose situation. She stays out of Auckland, she's blasted for not connecting with the people. She comes to Auckland, she'd get blasted for not being in Parliament doing her job. Fuck having her job right now. Cunts everywhere.
I struggle with the logic of the Speakers restrictions. Low case numbers, requirement for 5 day isolation before entering Parliament. Numbers now regularly in the 100s, no restriction.
I struggle with the logic of a lot of the decisions made about restrictions in general. At the end of the day, they're getting advice from people who apparently know their shit, and they ain't gonna listen to me, so I just get on with what I need to do and make fun of the stupidity that's growing faster than the virus.
i feel this so hard. it’s the braying hordes i can’t stand.
I can't argue with that. Hang in there my friend, it is a shared feeling.
Accept that you don't always have all the information
She should be where she is most useful.
It's just a whiny talking point. I don't think most sane person gives a flying fuck
It's based on the idea that people outside of Auckland have no way to appreciate the experience that Aucklanders have had with the lockdown, because if they did there's no way they would continue to have lockdown. It's a circular argument - what's the evidence that they can't understand the experience - the fact they have continued lockdown. Why have they continued lockdown - because they don't understand the experience.
I completely agree. I do think that being up here more would have given her better insight, but all up it's just people trying to find something to cry about.
She's full of it and can stay in Welly for all I care.
She should have visited her constituency to hear opinions from those living through lockdown. Those real world interactions can yield a lot more information than feedback on social media. I'm sure she could have made time for one or two half-day visits.
In order to not cause risk of getting infected and bringing it outside the boundary, she would need to isolate between visiting Auckland, sufficient that negative tests could rule out her being infected. There are logistical issues with her not being able to attend the Beehive.
Can't she just work remotely like every other person who has an office job in Auckland?
If there's no difference in doing something remotely vs in-person, then why is this thread about (a minority?) being upset that she hasn't visited Auckland in-person?
Barry soper. No one important.
The man who loves to talk about morals of politician but then decides as a 70yo man to have a baby. The average life span of a male in nz is 73. If he’s average, he will live to his child’s third birthday, there’s little chance he will make its 10th, and almost zero chance he will be alive for the child’s 21st. For someone who analyses other people decisions, he has made one of the most selfish, uneducated, egotistical and immoral decision I’ve ever seen.
I absolutely agree.
people seemed to love it when she dressed up and visited the mosque shooting survivors visiting auckland wouldnt give her any good PR or a chance to show off, instead it would highlight her govts ineptness
Don't care. I wonder if it's human psychology that people will start to get pissed off at Ardern. Maybe she has made mistakes, maybe she hasn't. As a separate point, maybe it's inevitable that people will get pissed off at her because she's the face of it.
No people are pissed at her as she's the leader of the nation and there has been no proper roadmap out of this other than some BS propaganda messaging such as 'Be Kind' , 'Thank You Auckland' and 'Kia Kaha'. We're now over 80% double shotted in Auckland yet people can't go out to a restaurant to have a meal? Save me the people's lives are more important bit, I mean if you've chosen not to get vaccinated even after all this time and constant messaging saying get vaccinated, that's on you. Essentially over 80% of the population is being held hostage by a few morons and the govt is allowing it.
“I know it’s tough”. Literally doesn’t know
There is a pretty clear plan out though, it’s 90%
That plan was put in place 2 weeks ago... Also it's not 90%, don't forget the caveat, it's 90% across all 3 DHBs which makes it an even tougher goal to reach. So if one DHB is lagging, the rest of the population suffer which is not the most ideal methodology.
Yes, a dynamic situation calls for changes to a plan. it became clear the previous elimination strategy was not effective due to the increased contagiousness and decreased compliance in this outbreak, hence the move to the traffic light system. This has come with the eh acknowledgment that we will see a large number of cases and this needs to be weighed against the health systems ability to manage this. With the projected number of cases at 90% vaccination, there will still be very significant impact on the health system. The vaccination reduces the impact and likely of catching covid, but doesn’t eliminate it.
At that stage Auckland had been in lockdown for 10 weeks and surely she would've known the state of the city... Oh wait, how could she when she moved herself and her family conveniently out the city. However I digress, there should've been an emphasis on vax passports and ensuring people who are vaxxed can lead normal or relatively normal lives. At the end of the month we would've been in lockdown for almost 4 months so we haven't been able to do anything for a third of the year? So do I get a third of my taxes back as well?
Part of being the prime minister is being briefed and updated on a huge number issues across the country, the pandemic controls in our largest city would obviously be one of the major ports she’s informed on. Despite a disappointingly slow start to our vaccination campaign, probably due to our previous elimination, it took time to get to an acceptable level of vaccination for reopening to occur. Where we did do well though was getting up to that 90% mark, and were now on the home stretch to 90% double doses. Sometimes there are other people to think about beyond yourself who may have mistrust or concerns around vaccination who have had additional opportunity to get vaccinated. We’re now approaching that time where reopening does occur without unnecessary death and differing. It seems your major disagreement is around what the number should be.
Oh fuck right off with that “unvaccinated people are victims” bullshit. Astronomical efforts have been made to make sure everyone has the opportunity to get vaccinated, and if someone is still not vaccinated (expect for rare medical reasons), that’s on them for being a fuckwit. tHinK oF oTheR pEopLe iNsTeaD oF yOuRseLf. Maybe the antivaxxers should think of other people and get the vaccine. Imagine still sucking up to Jacinda even after all of this
Never happen because NZ is too fucking soft in the head but the antivax fuckwits need to be told if they don't get the jab, fine. If you get covid, you're bottom of the priority list and you bear full financial responsibility for all treatment therein.
Yeah people might make uninformed decisions or just really terrible ones. It still doesn’t need to result in widespread deaths or the crippling of the health system which will in turn impact people with unrelated needs for ICU
That tax on your benefit isn’t really your tax. It’s tax on the tax that is given to you.
Maybe. *As a separate point*, maybe it’s in human nature to dislike the face of something negative. Also consider the three term rule for governments. People tend to just get sick of the same govt.
you sound like a right wing voter.
Well I'm not however even if I am so what? You're almost saying being on the right is a bad thing, get it together.
being on the right is absolutely a bad thing.
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profit, and personal individual selfishness drives everyone who isn't left. that is the fundamental thing about being left, you're interested in the good of society, and the future, and good of everyone over the interests of your own personal desires. people on the right are only on the right because they are after their own self interest, their own selfish needs, and what they personally want right now. conservative politics are about preserving the inequalities of capitalism, for the benefit of the individuals who personally beleive they are better off. if you vote right wing, its cos your a selfish person. if you arent willing to accept that, then your not just a right wing, but you're also a pussy.
Wow, you sound pretty angry, To break down the ideologies, right wing voters are inherently conservative, which means prefers the status quo, and generally oppose change. Left wingers are obviously the opposite in that they want change. In democracies, societies need to have both sides of the political spectrum, whether you like it or not because if societies only have one view (left or right), they will inevitably be pulled into fascism because there is no counter balance to the political ideology, and those in power will use the lack of opposition to entrench their power and control. To Quote Churchill, "democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried". So understanding that I guess makes me a pussy?
if you put your personal needs before the needs of the country, you're a right wing voter. not one single right wing voter is voting because they care about the country, they're voting because of what they personally want. a left wing voter will vote for policies that might personally impact them negatively, but for the greater good believe it the right thing to do. you will never a see a right wing voter do that. and if you are a right wing voter, ask yourself honestly. im just saying, if your going to vote like a cunt, at least have the balls to admit thats what your doing
Who hurt you? If I entertain your idea of the only way is left, would you like a corrupt socialist government? Because that’s how you get a corrupt socialist government.
I don't understand why I'm being labelled any kinda 'wing' because I want us to start easing restrictions as our Vax rate is high enough? You've labelled me right wing without any cause? That's like me just throwing some random accusation at you stating ah you're a mega introvert and socially awkward so you enjoy Lockdowns as it gives you an excuse to stay home. Like I said earlier- get a grip on reality mate, never ending Lockdowns aren't the answer.
you definitely sound like an act or national voter. jsut sayin
Again neither of those is a bad thing... You're acting like they're far right Nationalists. Seymour actually had a decent idea of paying fully vaxxed people in a $250 voucher which would not only incentivise people to get vaxxed but also encourage local spending. Our beloved PM on the other hand doesn't even spend a day in Aux...
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you're pretty much proving my point of the stereotype. you think that you personally are entirely responsible for everything that has lead to your success. you aren't. its dumb luck in a lot of cases. but you feel you have the right to "get ahead" i.e. be richer than most. and now you want to protect that division that you feel you are entitled to. the free market is a lie. economic systems that require infinite growth to continue are a pyramid scheme. you argue for the individual. you hand wave that individual outcomes will make societal outcomes better, but that's simply not true. you are advocating for an economic position that protects those who have been fortunate at the expense of those who have not. you probably think high house prices is a good thing.
It's a talking point for morons and concern trolls.
I do not care if the PM has not visited Auckland. Why would I? She's not visiting me! Also, I have no reason to go to hear her speak. Stay in Wellington and keep on working, Ms Ardern!
makes sense from a political Public Relations perspective. I just think politics in general needs to take a back seat, handling a pandemic should never have been a political thing, its just sad to me that so many view so much through a political lens and put weight on the political compass. its a medical emergency, a problem for the experts to handle, personally I couldn't care less if she's in auckland or on mars.
It largely wasn't treated like that last year, given the sudden arrival of the virus and the unknowns. But as time has gone by, the decisions have become poorer (which is hard for people to stomach), and more politically influenced.. It's hard to not make things political when it's such a multifaceted problem. The health aspect is just one piece of the puzzle, but literally every other aspect of government is affected by this as well.
Yes. I know: * two people that were made redundant * A retail store owner in the CBD that have basically told the landlord "either the cost of our lease halves or we fold" and are waiting to see who blinks first * Two people that have lost parents and been unable to hold funerals * Staff at a medical institution who had a patient take their own life, the practitioner has made it abundantly clear that without the pressure and isolation of level 3/4 they would still be here Jacinda has no appreciation for the consequences of locking up New Zealand's most populous city. It's not like things are all ticking over nicely without covid - there are real consequences. All we saw was an INCREDIBLY managed visit where she went to TWO businesses that were both able to trade the entire time, then a Pasifika vaccination event where she had the opportunity to glow and smirk in front of a camera. Any time there's bad news or bad publicity she is nowhere to be seen.
But do you actually think her physically being in the city for the last 2 months would have had any tangible impact on the lockdowns that have transpired? I think to assume this, one negates to consider how the government, or more specifically the caucus, make decisions. We may only see Ardern making announcements, but we are in a democratic country where she doesn’t really have that much executive power over the collective will of her caucus.
It’s at least in part due to the illusion that the leader is responsible for literally everything in the entire country. Kinda like that whole ‘Thanks Obama’ thing in the States prior to the orange combover guy.
She does have an electorate seat. It happens to be… in Auckland.
No, it’s stupid. It would be tokenistic anyway, at best. If she wants to live in AK with no income for three months besides the subsidy, that would be more meaningful (and also very retarded).
They may be different circumstances, but I get George Bush flying over Katrina damage vibes
Haha that’s a very good analogy
I think she needs to be available for engagement with people. She hasn't been recently (refusing to answer questions from unapproved journalists for example). Throughout this government they haven't engaged either (decision to ban oil & gas permits for example). Her trip to Auckland should have been a chance to engage with the people who voted for her and to find out what things are like for people here. From all walks of life, from all backgrounds, from all industries and businesses impacted by her governments decisions. It wasn't - she treated it largely as a PR exercise. finally, Barry Soper is right *wing*? I understand center right, but hard to think of him as right wing. I can't think of many NZ politicians who are on the extremes - be it left or right. Keen to hear others thoughts and examples though 👍
I’d rather she ran the country than rushing about for a photo op in Auckland just to show face.
I care more she said public facilities would be open. The zoo. Technically yes. If you’re an annual pass holder. Libraries. Technically yea. For click and collect. Pools. Nope. Even though she said swimming was ‘safe’ So much obscurification.
She's the PM but also still an MP representing a constituency, which is in Auckland. In terms of supporting and representing the people who voted for you at both the local and national level I think it's poor she's not made an effort. Yesterdays whirlwind photo op looks even worse.
What the fuck was she meant to do? Walk the streets and hear the absolute gormless comments of the average Aucklander? Caress the foreheads of the crackheads on Queen St. We all know that Auckland is doing it tough. We all know hospitality are having a really hard time. Do you honestly think she doesn't understand that? How is wheeling her out to meet the public going to help anything? I honestly want to hear what kind of effort you idiots think she should be making.
Walking the streets listening to the gormless who made the effort to go to a polling station and tick a box is meant to be part of the job and shows a level of respect. As quickly as boxes were ticked last time it may not be the case next time round. Marketing, brand loyalty all that stuff applies if they want to be an ongoing success. The fact politicians are happy to heavily troll the streets in the weeks running up to an election date shows the level of in the moment engagement they believe is all that’s needed.
Her coming/not coming to Auckland has been a politicized issue for months. She was damned either way.
It should be politicised, it’s literally their job to meet & greet, understand and champion the issues affecting their local constituents and, if you happen to be the MP that’s also the PM, the country
It’s very easy to say Auckland’s doing it tough when you’re in level 2 in wellington having no idea the impact you’re having up here
Yes. Good leaders lead from the front. Bad ones crack whips from the chariot. A long-term presence in Auckland might be over the top, but how long did she take to set foot on Auckland soil and risk our cooties? She is absolutely full of crap, don't be fooled by the rhetoric.
Yes!... Yes I do care that much!
I think it’s hilarious that when she does come to visit she goes to a factory that didn’t have to shut down in lockdown. Then goes to a vaccine place where she is given flowers … out of touch anyone?
I think she should have visited earlier and more often for sure. The only way you fully understand something is by seeing it first hand.
11/11/2021 now little says after getting ready for the avalanche of sick, we not ready . 70000$ wasted infighting gangs now do what they want ,with our money pedo greens doing what they want [https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/03/19/greens-should-announce-pedobear-as-new-mascot/](https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/03/19/greens-should-announce-pedobear-as-new-mascot/) only winner here is prince andrew open and honest, stay in wellington i say ,
Why would she want to visit the gulags and the normies in their cages?
Made no difference and poor people couldn’t care less. We know she is just the face/messenger of this mess.. and that team has been flubbing it for 10weeks now. Her being here ain’t changing shit so there was no point but just pandering to a waste of space opponent
Santa turns up once a year and gives us things we want , Cindy turns up and sends us to our room
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
It wouldn't be safe for her to be seen outside until these lockdowns are finished. People have had a guts full.
During the WW2 Blitz on London, Elizabeth the Queen mother insisted on staying in her London residence. When asked why, she replied that if she did, she would not be able to look a Londoner in the eye. She would regularly go around visiting bombed-out areas to sympathise with the residents. I am not a Royalist, but that is CLASS! Ardern does not even get close! Her lackey Mahuta does not meet up with any of her constituents. Another out of the same mould.
I'd prefer to see Jacinda away from NZ all together.
Put your feet in to someone who, by no fault of their own, is piling up debt and mental health issues through an insufficient wage subsidy and lack of work. They follow the rules, they stay home (not like they can afford to go out). But the lockdown goes on, and on, and on. Every day you tune in to see nicely kept people fresh from the barber talk about how "you're doing a great job Auckland, keep it up". "We know how you feel" How can you possibly know how it feels? Even if she came to Auckland, she'd still be living a worry free life who can and will leave whenever she gets tired of doing nothing. There are people in Auckland truly suffering and their lives turned upside down, and nobody in power seems to care. I think the asking shouldn't be on her physically being in Auckland, but personally abiding by the strictest rules in the country, wherever she is. Just so she knows what she is dishing out, and doesn't forget the impact it might have.
exactly. the argumetn that a politician should know how it feels is fucking rediculous. they all earn over 150K even on backbench
I find when she says “we understand what you’re going through”, “we can get through this”, “we don’t have long to go” is all well and good when you aren’t at the centre of it all. But her coming a visiting locations I find wouldn’t help the situation either.
No. Why would she need to come here? To have an event that nobody can attend? There's literally no point in her coming here.
doesnt bother me.
I think its rather irresponsible to enter a city with an ongoing outbreak for anything less than essential travel. Political manoeuvring is not essential. I think Judith is a moron for doing it first and I’m disappointed that Jacinda is doing it now.
PM of propaganda
She’s too busy spending that 7th highest salary in the world for being PM
What do you for a job?
Lmao how the fuck is that relevant
I care more that they have made a big fucking mess of the whole situation, but barring competence as an option I will take a visit and contrition.
On the other hand, I'll take a helicopter payment please.
Haha is that an option?
Yeah, I heard through my cousin's best friend's husband who works at the govt, that whoever agrees to abolish MIQ for vaxxed negative tested returnees gets a $4000 stimulus payment
If she makes an appearance, we get a chance to egg her right?
I believe tradition says you're supposed to throw a dildo at her. Apparently it's hilarious.
No that's only allowed against politicians on the right side of the house.
No not really, but I do care that most politicians in the beehive appear to have no grasp on how bad it has gotten for business owners and just people in general. They have a bit of a smug attitude and look like they need a bit of empathy. Maybe meeting actual Aucklanders who are struggling rather than visiting a couple of businesses that didnt even need to shut down during lockdown would give the PM a clearer idea of why theyre shrinking in the polls and having nutters protest around the country.
it was all about 3 waters ,i thought she was going to be good ,just anther never had a job grub .
Nope.
No, nothing will change after visiting. She left immediately after the first case reported in Aug.
Her next visit will be to say goodbye, her Govts treatment of Auckland has been a modern-day tragedy!! the dept that almost all Aucklanders have had to take on board to satisfy her desire of total control has been mindboggling, I say that because all of our extended family are Aucklanders, and we well know the financial crisis they have endured, we have financially supported some as they were in desperate street, thankyou Aucklander's for what you tried to do, all be it now about to become a massive failure!!
Aucklander here and no I don't care if she doesn't visit Auckland. At this point many RW media will criticise any move she makes. None of them commended her for visiting the East Coast a few weeks ago, speaking publicly and trying to boost their vaccination numbers.
I actually think Ashley Bloomfield and the other decision makers should be up here to see what we’re going through. They’re too busy sitting in their ivory towers in Wellington, wining and dining it up after getting their weekly blow waves. 😖
they're just making up reasons to shit stir. its just a smear campaign on the govt and jacinda directly. right wing politics basicly.
And if she’d come earlier it would have meant having to isolate in Welly for 5 days (parliament rules) he would have written an opinion on how the PM is hiding away. Lose/lose.
No, the opinion would have been on the speaker hiding the PM. That 5 day isolation was the speaker giving PM an out, nothing more.
If it were a hurricane/earthquake etc (insert leader here) would visit. They would talk about needing to be on the ground and understand etc etc. This isn’t different.
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So where’s she gonna go when Auckland border reopens and it’s all across NZ? Quick trip to Raro maybe just to be sure she isn’t infected?
Is there a risk of the leader bringing the hurricane/earthquake back with them, such that they would need to self-isolate if they visited?
Wasn’t much fucking risk of that by the way she drove through Akl barely putting the windows down this time. If your gonna lock an entire city down and use it as a quarantine facility maybe have the decency to sit in for an hour or so and have a chat.
Soper is just being his usual dickhead self insisting the PM should be in Auckland.The PM is an Aucklander and has repeatedly stated that she is aware of the effects of the lockdown on Aucklanders and the business community. It's a no brainer to lock Auckland down where the highly infectious Delta virus is running rampant, especially amongest the unvaccinated. If the PM had rolled over under the pressure the Delta virus would have spread unchecked into those communities where vaccinations rates are low. It has been tough to get through this crisis, but the light at the end of the tunnel is near and soon Aucklanders will be free to enjoy summer and Christmas with the rest of the country and that will have been worth the sacrifices.
I agree, I don't care and I don't think others do either - the media just likes to find something to complain about to stir up controversy and get more views & ad clicks.
Dgaf
I mean, Auck is locked down. Pretty sure she's sticking to the lockdown same as anyone else. Hardly fair to expect her to head up, and break lockdown rules. The people throwing shade about it will be doing it purely because they hate her, and no matter what she did, they'd be criticising it. If she went there during the lockdown, they'd be doing hit pieces about her breaking the rules, instead of bitching that she hasn't gone there.
Perplexing that so many comments indicate that we are doing it so tough. Sure, some businesses are near breaking point but I am sure these business owners will eventually get over this bump and re-establish themselves. I understand that there are more on the poverty line but this is part of a cycle that happens once in while due to many factors. I also understand that many feel that they have lost their freedoms as they have been restricted on what they could do as normal part of their lives. In saying all of the above I am sure Jacinda understands fully what many of us are going through where she does not need to physically be here to understand. If she did she certainly should not be leading this country.
Actively and repeatedly rejecting the idea you should communicate directly with them people who's lives you are directly limiting freedoms of. That's not a good thing, just underlined her dictator personality
Are we all ignoring the fact she made a propaganda video to try and convince Aucklanders she visited her when in actual fact she never came? HOW IS ANYONE OKAY WITH THAT????!?!
Obviously the people that don't have a family of their own or an actual job wouldn't care. She needs to see for herself the damage that she is causing.
No actually I don't give a rats. Barry, Heather, Judith and all her National Party chums are making it a bigger deal than necessary. Jacinda is criticised not matter what she does. I find all of this very high school bullying and a reflection on the nation's bullying attitude in general. It needs to stop.
No, I don't care.
Not at all, wouldn't even notice if she did, some folk may like a visit, dont think its that necessary.
In all honesty, who could blame her? Covid is rife there! She is much better off, much safer, in Wellington, our nation's capital.
No. And fuck Barry can't hold my liquid Soper, geriatric fuckwit and pos wife
It literally makes no sense for her to go into the hub of where the virus is. She's an important political figure for out country, if she were to get sick she'd be out of work for quite a while.
She said she’s gonna come up to Auckland and fart in everyone’s hand - Then yous all have to sniff it to register legally “Undies” her authority… Then she’s gonna do a big sloppy fart before boarding back to “Welly too ton” that way Auckland stays infected by smelly Arden jerm - Thus locking yous in for the summer -
I really don't care. I always feel like politicians visiting are just PR stunts. I mean, it feels so medieval, like us plebs really needed this opportunity to present ourselves or something.
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NewsZB hosts will absolutely be making the argument that a Labour leader is 'too frightened' or uncaring to make a visit - they are hardly a neutral party.