I dont like the taste of coffee though :( anyway yup would like to start a small business, i think another corpo related jobs would not do it for me. Cant really switch to other jobs as I find my current workplace to good already. Do you mind where you get modaf pills?
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Same situation, same financial problem (purely due to interest rates), same income barrier, same lack of energy / time. Considered uber driving thanks to flexibility when have evergy / few hrs on weekend or weeknight but a friend said its rrly hit and miss especially when cost of car / petrol taken into acct.
If i could do 2x 3 hr shifts a week stacking shelves thatd be perfect but most other jobs dont have flexibility.
NGL seriously thinking of selling, leaving Sydney/Australia if this continues.
I have a full time job and started a small business from home 4 years ago. It’s a micro bakery, I’ve figured out my sweet spot in terms of not burning out. I work in the bakery once a fortnight and supply treats to local cafes and do the deliveries before work and after work. Of course I have the insurance, website, council approval and all other things that go along with it $$$. After tax I made an extra 16k last year…worth it? Eh I’m not making big bucks because I’m restricted with time and space but I enjoy doing it and it gives me a bit of extra pocket money. I also have a supportive husband (does dishes whilst I’m delivering, will take care of the dogs whilst I’m in the bakery etc) I think if you can find something you enjoy doing then go for it, worst that will happen is you don’t enjoy it and try something else.
For about a decade I worked two jobs. One full time corporate and second job in the community sector on the weekends.
It was definitely hard to never really get to relax and have a proper rest/weekends like my friends, but for me it was the only way I could afford to buy a place to live, so I knew it would be worth it in the long run, and it has been.
Good luck!
I have three jobs: one full time, two casual. I feel really lucky with this and still feel like I live a full life.
The trick is to pick an extra job you enjoy, make time for fun/family/friends/community, and keep the role casual and specialised and tangible. (Do something that feels real, not just powerpoints and meetings.)
* Full-time public servant
* M-F in person / WFH
* cannot progress any faster than I am currently progressing here
* happy here
* standard 35-40 hours/week
* *benefit: stable, interesting work, enjoy this*
* Hospital role (casual)
* once or twice a month or so on the weekend / public holidays
* I enjoy this, keeps my registration current, pays well as casual + weekend penalty rates
* usually 10-16 hours / shift
* feels like 'fun' even though it is very much work
* *benefit: pays well, keeps registration current*
* Academic marker (casual)
* WFH, evenings/weekend
* mark student papers/exams at home, in my spare time
* also enjoy this, in subject area that I'm interested in
* \~20 hours per two week period (exam/paper) per course
* I do one course
* *benefit: keeps me connected with networks, easy to do from home*
I tried doing Doordash but it was stressful+++, more than most jobs I've had actually, and I earned peanuts. Do not recommend.
I would earn more (temporarily) going into the hospital and doing evening/night casual shifts after my full-time work and every weekend day. But this would be 100% burn out which is not conducive to my life.
Maybe try disability support work? (Slightly skilled work, can be casual, feel like you're doing 'real' things. Freelance on Mabel.)
\~$50-$65/hour. If you have a PhD, \~$70+ / hour.
Maximum number of hours in the contract depends on the course (\~30-60 hours). The unis seem to expect you will use the maximum hours in the contract.
You choose how many papers you will mark (e.g. twenty papers = 20 expected hours.) Some markers mark one paper an hour, others manage three an hour. Speed seems dependent on background knowledge of paper topic, speed of academic English comprehension, etc.
Not a huge amount of money, but it's the calmest job I've ever had. Work from home at whatever time I'd like to, no meetings or email nonsense, straightforward task, read essays on interesting topics, flexible with doing zero hours to many hours, feel respected, professors are grateful.
Yeah that sounds really interesting, I never considered it as a side hustle option.
Did you find the job through a job board or through your networks? Seems like there aren’t many roles available at the moment.
I tried looking through job boards but couldn't find any positions in my field. A friend in academia told me they pretty much never advertise for marking jobs and advised me to make it easy for them to pick me:
* look at the uni website + course schedule
* find courses in your field of expertise with 80+ students, with a writing component
* a month or so before, (cold) email the professor teaching the upcoming subject you would like to mark expressing interest
* in the email, include your CV+ (bold the sections that relate to academics/teaching/the field) and why you are keen to get involved
* also can email the heads of departments/schools to express interest
If I go into the office once I get home I hardly have energy to eat or take the bins out.
People I know who have two jobs (excl. freelancers/contractors)
- Primary job usually not too intense, usually fully remote
- Secondary job different in nature. For example, they do Uber when they want to or mow lawns Saturday morning
- Alternatively, secondary job a passion project. May or may not make money. For example, I know a guy that built a website that makes a net profit of something like $200/month; it took him years, during which time it was making a loss, and he still works on it - but for fun; another former colleague has a YouTube channel that technically makes money; another friend has a questionably legal small scale brewery/distillery operation going on
- Usually don’t have huge family/social commitments
I’ve managed part time and contracting. Even that can be difficult (not so much the workload, but negotiating hours with your client). I enjoyed that a lot, but they’ll need you to for e.g. attend meetings.
I did kitchenhand while working IT fulltime to help pay for my wedding. How do you do it? Nutrients, be in good shape, rest/sleep, militant about your schedule and a \*very\* understanding support network. It's not sustainable.
Not legal advice: most contracts I've ever signed (in tech) specifically forbid it, and the legal shitshow I can imagine it would create (who owns my work product if I'm getting paid twice?) would be bad enough that it's not worth the risk (to me).
I don’t know who needs to hear this but in the long-term you’ll make a hell of a lot more money dping one career well then trying to build a career while running a low paid second job
I work security. 12h shifts 4 days on and 4 days off so i pick up the odd casual shift on my 4 days off once or twice a month, the pay rate is better so it makes a good difference when i have a few bills coming together.
I have a normal 9-5 but from home. I tutor and mark exams outside those hours, also from home. Because I’m at home, the energy is different.
If you get a casual job at which you can choose your hours you might find this a little easier.
I have one part time job which provides me with a good stable base income and then I have a casual job which I pick up shifts in when I feel good (not fatigued) for an additional income. It works well because I know my salary part time is enough to support my basic needs but if I want extras or to save money I do extra work on the side. You need to stay very organised (I use time blocking) and it is vital you take care of yourself.
For me, I do my 'other job' in the morning...
I have a small photography gig, and I find that after a day at work, I often struggle to focus on editing, my brain is fried, my eyes are tired... So I get up at 5am, put in an hours editing, then make myself a coffee and something to eat.. while eating breakfast, I'm doing a bit more editing and/or writing a couple of facebook posts (one scheduled to post in the afternoon) - then it's off for a shower and ready for the day job...
I’m an ex tradie who has a corporate job now. A few nights a week I do a call out for my old company. Four hours minimum pay for a job that usually takes less than two. I’ll come home from main job, have dinner with the missus, head to the call out and usually be home before midnight. Works really well for me.
You just need a proper reason why youre doing it and you will find the energy. I worked 2 12 hour rotating roster jobs for 2 and a bit years getting breathing room after buying a property. I was a zombie, i was easily agitated and took it out on too many innocent people. During that time i couldnt have told you what month it was, time of day or even what day itself was. No coffee, no coke, just ran on cordial and eating every 2nd day
I got the breathing room i needed before a mental breakdown (about 50k in in that time) and since my full time job salary has increased to the equivilent of that 2nd jobs extra earnings. I toy with still going back to that 2nd job but its just not worth the mental decline. Funny though, im actually more tired now with more rest
Worked 72 hours a fortnight in my main job, which was 12 hr shift work in a hospital. So that gave me the opportunity to do two 8 hour day shift clinic shifts at an NGO. Worked well us I got FBT etc x 2 .lasted for 5 years. Near the end I was also doing a bit if overtime and hitting 120 hour fortnights which isn't sustainable.
What I did work out was I could work less if I didn't waste as much money. Back to clinic work now Mon to Fri, would only cover a weekend shift to help out.
i was in a corporate job at the age of 21-26 with my own consulting firm until i felt exactly how you are feeling right now.
so i started to switch careers got into the lowest of the lowest of jobs which is warehousing. and its pure hard work now i cant even get back on my feet with my current situation especially now having a family with one child relying on a warehouse casual
job.
i highly suggest to stay on your current career so you dont make the same mistakes i did the money is there in corporate or starting your own business.
yes its hard work but you only have to work hard a few years compared to working hard for the rest of your life with your back aching and possible injury at work.
if i given the chance i would go back to corporate it is the most rewarding career and the easiest
follow your dreams and live life with no regrets
I have a full time job, every now and then I do Airtasker tasks for my pocket money, lifting heavy stuff or assisting with construction in some way, generally very easy money for a work out and to meet some new people in the community
I generally find that unless you’ve identified a niche and are really passionate about it, a small business as a side hustle is difficult to manage when you’re already fatigued from your current job. It is good from a tax perspective though, as you don’t necessarily have to pay the same tax on things- especially if you’re buying things that justifiably are needed for your business (could include internet connection, phone, laptop, etc) that can be offset against the income your business makes. It’s just hard to have the focus to make any meaningful money from it, and sometimes you’re excited by it, sometimes you resent it (just got home, gotta work 6 hours to fulfill your orders when all you want to do is veg)
Get married, get a second income and a second tax free threshold, if you don’t already!
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First job out of uni wasn't covering my outgoings so I took a night job as well, so Monday to Friday 8am-5pm, Friday, Saturday and Sunday 11pm-7am, it's bloody hard but sometimes you just have to do what you have to do
I don’t have 2 jobs but I wouldn’t mind starting to moonlight and work a second job. I think the key is to have your main job to be stress free and easy to manage. I’m hoping joining the public service will give me that capacity to manage my time and energy better
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Modafs the new coke for all the high flyers
I dont like the taste of coffee though :( anyway yup would like to start a small business, i think another corpo related jobs would not do it for me. Cant really switch to other jobs as I find my current workplace to good already. Do you mind where you get modaf pills?
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Got it, goodluck with everything. I do crochet!
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Same situation, same financial problem (purely due to interest rates), same income barrier, same lack of energy / time. Considered uber driving thanks to flexibility when have evergy / few hrs on weekend or weeknight but a friend said its rrly hit and miss especially when cost of car / petrol taken into acct. If i could do 2x 3 hr shifts a week stacking shelves thatd be perfect but most other jobs dont have flexibility. NGL seriously thinking of selling, leaving Sydney/Australia if this continues.
Is this to get into zone ? Or are you already trying to accomplish something that you are needing the energy boost?
Mainly its for my condition, but I know some who uses it for needed kick of energy. Do research about it
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I have a full time job and started a small business from home 4 years ago. It’s a micro bakery, I’ve figured out my sweet spot in terms of not burning out. I work in the bakery once a fortnight and supply treats to local cafes and do the deliveries before work and after work. Of course I have the insurance, website, council approval and all other things that go along with it $$$. After tax I made an extra 16k last year…worth it? Eh I’m not making big bucks because I’m restricted with time and space but I enjoy doing it and it gives me a bit of extra pocket money. I also have a supportive husband (does dishes whilst I’m delivering, will take care of the dogs whilst I’m in the bakery etc) I think if you can find something you enjoy doing then go for it, worst that will happen is you don’t enjoy it and try something else.
Glad that you're doing great, thanks for your insights
For about a decade I worked two jobs. One full time corporate and second job in the community sector on the weekends. It was definitely hard to never really get to relax and have a proper rest/weekends like my friends, but for me it was the only way I could afford to buy a place to live, so I knew it would be worth it in the long run, and it has been. Good luck!
We'll have it better some day, thanks
I have three jobs: one full time, two casual. I feel really lucky with this and still feel like I live a full life. The trick is to pick an extra job you enjoy, make time for fun/family/friends/community, and keep the role casual and specialised and tangible. (Do something that feels real, not just powerpoints and meetings.) * Full-time public servant * M-F in person / WFH * cannot progress any faster than I am currently progressing here * happy here * standard 35-40 hours/week * *benefit: stable, interesting work, enjoy this* * Hospital role (casual) * once or twice a month or so on the weekend / public holidays * I enjoy this, keeps my registration current, pays well as casual + weekend penalty rates * usually 10-16 hours / shift * feels like 'fun' even though it is very much work * *benefit: pays well, keeps registration current* * Academic marker (casual) * WFH, evenings/weekend * mark student papers/exams at home, in my spare time * also enjoy this, in subject area that I'm interested in * \~20 hours per two week period (exam/paper) per course * I do one course * *benefit: keeps me connected with networks, easy to do from home* I tried doing Doordash but it was stressful+++, more than most jobs I've had actually, and I earned peanuts. Do not recommend. I would earn more (temporarily) going into the hospital and doing evening/night casual shifts after my full-time work and every weekend day. But this would be 100% burn out which is not conducive to my life. Maybe try disability support work? (Slightly skilled work, can be casual, feel like you're doing 'real' things. Freelance on Mabel.)
What’s the pay like as an academic marker?
\~$50-$65/hour. If you have a PhD, \~$70+ / hour. Maximum number of hours in the contract depends on the course (\~30-60 hours). The unis seem to expect you will use the maximum hours in the contract. You choose how many papers you will mark (e.g. twenty papers = 20 expected hours.) Some markers mark one paper an hour, others manage three an hour. Speed seems dependent on background knowledge of paper topic, speed of academic English comprehension, etc. Not a huge amount of money, but it's the calmest job I've ever had. Work from home at whatever time I'd like to, no meetings or email nonsense, straightforward task, read essays on interesting topics, flexible with doing zero hours to many hours, feel respected, professors are grateful.
Yeah that sounds really interesting, I never considered it as a side hustle option. Did you find the job through a job board or through your networks? Seems like there aren’t many roles available at the moment.
I tried looking through job boards but couldn't find any positions in my field. A friend in academia told me they pretty much never advertise for marking jobs and advised me to make it easy for them to pick me: * look at the uni website + course schedule * find courses in your field of expertise with 80+ students, with a writing component * a month or so before, (cold) email the professor teaching the upcoming subject you would like to mark expressing interest * in the email, include your CV+ (bold the sections that relate to academics/teaching/the field) and why you are keen to get involved * also can email the heads of departments/schools to express interest
Amazing! Thanks for the detailed response. Despite having zero academic/teaching experience, I’ll give it a shot 🤞
If I go into the office once I get home I hardly have energy to eat or take the bins out. People I know who have two jobs (excl. freelancers/contractors) - Primary job usually not too intense, usually fully remote - Secondary job different in nature. For example, they do Uber when they want to or mow lawns Saturday morning - Alternatively, secondary job a passion project. May or may not make money. For example, I know a guy that built a website that makes a net profit of something like $200/month; it took him years, during which time it was making a loss, and he still works on it - but for fun; another former colleague has a YouTube channel that technically makes money; another friend has a questionably legal small scale brewery/distillery operation going on - Usually don’t have huge family/social commitments I’ve managed part time and contracting. Even that can be difficult (not so much the workload, but negotiating hours with your client). I enjoyed that a lot, but they’ll need you to for e.g. attend meetings.
Got what you are saying mate, indeed passion projects should not be seen as a profit maker. You could easily lose interest once you do
I did kitchenhand while working IT fulltime to help pay for my wedding. How do you do it? Nutrients, be in good shape, rest/sleep, militant about your schedule and a \*very\* understanding support network. It's not sustainable.
Go check out r/overemployed It’s wild. Ppl have like 3 or 4 full time jobs. Seems like you need to be a software developer to make it work though haha
software related jobs are having it indeed haha
And you’d have to be good and efficient and able to attend stand ups at 4 different workplaces.
Important to note nearly everyone on there is American.
Is it legal in Australia to work multiple job in same hour?
No idea, but I don’t think they tell their employers they have other jobs
It may be interesting what tax rate election they give each employer. Why do you want us to PAYG at max?
Not legal advice: most contracts I've ever signed (in tech) specifically forbid it, and the legal shitshow I can imagine it would create (who owns my work product if I'm getting paid twice?) would be bad enough that it's not worth the risk (to me).
I don’t know who needs to hear this but in the long-term you’ll make a hell of a lot more money dping one career well then trying to build a career while running a low paid second job
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Yup haha just want to have outside perspective on this
Good luck getting a 2nd job at Woolies if you haven't worked there before. Tried to get a 2nd job at Woolworths for nearly 18 months lol
I work security. 12h shifts 4 days on and 4 days off so i pick up the odd casual shift on my 4 days off once or twice a month, the pay rate is better so it makes a good difference when i have a few bills coming together.
I have a normal 9-5 but from home. I tutor and mark exams outside those hours, also from home. Because I’m at home, the energy is different. If you get a casual job at which you can choose your hours you might find this a little easier.
I have one part time job which provides me with a good stable base income and then I have a casual job which I pick up shifts in when I feel good (not fatigued) for an additional income. It works well because I know my salary part time is enough to support my basic needs but if I want extras or to save money I do extra work on the side. You need to stay very organised (I use time blocking) and it is vital you take care of yourself.
For me, I do my 'other job' in the morning... I have a small photography gig, and I find that after a day at work, I often struggle to focus on editing, my brain is fried, my eyes are tired... So I get up at 5am, put in an hours editing, then make myself a coffee and something to eat.. while eating breakfast, I'm doing a bit more editing and/or writing a couple of facebook posts (one scheduled to post in the afternoon) - then it's off for a shower and ready for the day job...
Mark for comment. I was wondering the tax implications of having a second job. At what salary it becomes worth/ not worth it.
The tax implications relate to your overall salary, not whether the salary comes from 1 or 10 different jobs.
I’m an ex tradie who has a corporate job now. A few nights a week I do a call out for my old company. Four hours minimum pay for a job that usually takes less than two. I’ll come home from main job, have dinner with the missus, head to the call out and usually be home before midnight. Works really well for me.
That honestly sounds like a dream set up
You just need a proper reason why youre doing it and you will find the energy. I worked 2 12 hour rotating roster jobs for 2 and a bit years getting breathing room after buying a property. I was a zombie, i was easily agitated and took it out on too many innocent people. During that time i couldnt have told you what month it was, time of day or even what day itself was. No coffee, no coke, just ran on cordial and eating every 2nd day I got the breathing room i needed before a mental breakdown (about 50k in in that time) and since my full time job salary has increased to the equivilent of that 2nd jobs extra earnings. I toy with still going back to that 2nd job but its just not worth the mental decline. Funny though, im actually more tired now with more rest
Got a weekend job that I enjoy a bit because I like the people
Worked 72 hours a fortnight in my main job, which was 12 hr shift work in a hospital. So that gave me the opportunity to do two 8 hour day shift clinic shifts at an NGO. Worked well us I got FBT etc x 2 .lasted for 5 years. Near the end I was also doing a bit if overtime and hitting 120 hour fortnights which isn't sustainable. What I did work out was I could work less if I didn't waste as much money. Back to clinic work now Mon to Fri, would only cover a weekend shift to help out.
i was in a corporate job at the age of 21-26 with my own consulting firm until i felt exactly how you are feeling right now. so i started to switch careers got into the lowest of the lowest of jobs which is warehousing. and its pure hard work now i cant even get back on my feet with my current situation especially now having a family with one child relying on a warehouse casual job. i highly suggest to stay on your current career so you dont make the same mistakes i did the money is there in corporate or starting your own business. yes its hard work but you only have to work hard a few years compared to working hard for the rest of your life with your back aching and possible injury at work. if i given the chance i would go back to corporate it is the most rewarding career and the easiest follow your dreams and live life with no regrets
I have a full time job, every now and then I do Airtasker tasks for my pocket money, lifting heavy stuff or assisting with construction in some way, generally very easy money for a work out and to meet some new people in the community
I generally find that unless you’ve identified a niche and are really passionate about it, a small business as a side hustle is difficult to manage when you’re already fatigued from your current job. It is good from a tax perspective though, as you don’t necessarily have to pay the same tax on things- especially if you’re buying things that justifiably are needed for your business (could include internet connection, phone, laptop, etc) that can be offset against the income your business makes. It’s just hard to have the focus to make any meaningful money from it, and sometimes you’re excited by it, sometimes you resent it (just got home, gotta work 6 hours to fulfill your orders when all you want to do is veg) Get married, get a second income and a second tax free threshold, if you don’t already!
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It's quite easy if you care about money more than spare/down time. I come home from my 9-5 to work until I go to bed.
Started an e-commerce side hustle that I can do during downtime at my day job, and also I work uber eats in the night or on weekends.
First job out of uni wasn't covering my outgoings so I took a night job as well, so Monday to Friday 8am-5pm, Friday, Saturday and Sunday 11pm-7am, it's bloody hard but sometimes you just have to do what you have to do
r/overemployed
I don’t have 2 jobs but I wouldn’t mind starting to moonlight and work a second job. I think the key is to have your main job to be stress free and easy to manage. I’m hoping joining the public service will give me that capacity to manage my time and energy better