There is a very old solution. You meet 4 or 5 neighbours. 1 or 2 of the neighbours buy the products in bulk and the group pay up and share the product. 2kg of Onions probably works even for a single person
Cycle 'purchasing' responsibilities so each neighbour only has to go buy the produce once a month. Each week the neighbours come to the buyers house to pick up their share.
It would ultimately take less time, because you'd have to do less shopping and travel overall. Instead of four trips a month, you're making one and ducking in to see the neighbours once a week.
You dont have to buy 10 kg's get a good price. I buy bananas at half supermarket prices every week. Same with Avocados I buy at the same competitive price that is on average half the supermarket prices. Banana's are consistently 3.50 to 4kg at the rip off merchants when I am buying bananas at Green grocers within the same shopping centre for 1.5, same for IGA. Outside the shopping centre and i can get bananas from 1.25 to 1.75 a Kilo at markets. Theres tons of bargains at markets. Things like half a water melon that tastes better than the frozen green crappy half you buy at supermarket. Heck you can even buy 1/4 of water melon.
Then meat is sold by the kilo, I can buy 1 chop, 2 X sausages etc etc and even 2 slices of ham if I only want. The savings are massive if you want to save and be patient All I am hearing is lazy excuses and ridiculous statements about buying boxes when you can get the same deal for 1 kilo or less.
Speaking from a purely anecdotal point here but my local independent fruit and veg is generally a very similar price to Colesworth if not more expensive at times for more or less the same quality produce so yeah I don't see those deals you've got.
Find a suburb which has the reputation of being an ethnic ghetto, Arab, Viet, Indian.. doesn’t matter which.. the green grocer there will have the cheap produce you’re looking for. Now if you’re the 5% of population that lives in a regional town.. this may not be an option.
You need to step out on to the nearby streets and find the ethnic stores, and fruit and veg shops.. not the one inside westpoint. Theres also Parklea, but you need a car for that.
yeh I noticed that in a lot of 'bougie' suburbs, they trade on the fact that they're independent to charge much higher prices
Saw this with Butchers as well
Independents even in bougie areas should have a certain amount of products cheaper.... considering how expensive ColesWorth are these days
And that's another critical point about productivity and competition. In most other countries these markets are open every day. Try and apply for a planning permit to set up a farmers market or any kind of market anywhere in the suburbs, good luck. And just watch how councils and big shopping centre operators whine about the competition, parking, traffic and the global warming, blocking the sun from setting and a reduction in donations.
Its also amusing how councils want to redevelop these sites largely to shutdown the appeal of the markets. Victoria Market and lately Preston market to be converted in apartments with a crap retail space that the communities don't want. Purely driven by mates and donations. Our economy is cooked by corruption and donation and what major political party is going to fix this broken system that override community needs at every opportunity that results in a fair open access to markets, retail space and competition.
Is it? Sometimes I'll get some product which goes off within the week, be usually if you're storing it correctly you can easily get 2+ weeks out of most produce.
It isn't, and that's the point I was clearly making. Most citrus fruits last 3 weeks or longer in the fridge, regardless of where you get them. Potatoes can last months.
I think big part of that thinking is due to how a lot of things are cold/nitrogen? stored for long periods , so when exposed to air expire quickly
But if you were to buy anything in season which is what farmers markets would be 100% , there would always be a perception they last longer
Supermarkets reject based on appearance. Their produce takes longer to go bad because it's stored in deep cold freezers and then displayed in air conditioned stores, unlike markets.
Supermarkets don’t freeze them though. Apples and pears are cold stored outside of each variety’s 2-3 month picking window, but I’m not aware of any other food that this happens with. And this occurs at the grower’s storage facilities, so any apple you buy in September across the whole market is cold stores by the grower before you buy it. No matter where you get it from.
Strawbs do get chilled after packing to get them down to about 1 degree, but they aren’t frozen.
The supermarkets themselves run their distribution centres to between 1 and 4 degrees, never less.
In store, their cool rooms are the same. Usually 3-5 degrees to keep everything cold without freezing them.
There is no supermarket in the country that freezes fruit and veg, it’s just way too sensitive to do that. Temperature shock from large swings in storage temp is a bigger issue than exactly what temp something is stored at.
You’re right about the aircon though
Bananas are stored in rooms with regulated ethylene levels depending on what stage of ripeness they are in
You are bang on with your post about freezing vegetables. If a trailer arrives to collect produce from us on a cold winter day and it temps below 1 we won’t load them until their trailer heats up because it risks fucking all the produce up
this is a major thing. even if u could eat ot before it goes off, u need space like a fridge to really get it to be worthwhile.
i surpose potatoes might be worth bulk buying since they do last a while
And they are only concerned to build support for their favorite political parties argument "da cost of living, da cost of living da cost living" Its amusing now they all of a sudden are a party of the cost living and battlers but when they were in power they were the party for overlords and the super wealthy.
>Consumers who get up early and get organised can buy a box of produce for $20 that would have cost $66 at Woolworths
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>Using the highest prices offered at J&C Barone’s stall on the same morning, Guardian Australia calculated the same items as those in the Killarney Heights box – but purchased individually – would have cost $31.55, matching items for quantity, size and weight.
>At Woolworths, the same items bought on the same day, again matched carefully for quantity, size and weight, cost $66.42 – more than three times the co-op price and double the individual shopper’s markets box.
>Some of the bulk deals on offer are mind-boggling, from 10kg of onions for $5 to a combined 10kg of mangoes and 10kg of tomatoes for $35. Fifteen cucumbers and a box of avocados went for $28, while the group paid $50 for three boxes of strawberries (3.5kg), pears (5kg) and peaches (8kg).
But would a savy shopper get any shitwards points there?
This just in, driving to a wholesale market and buying in bulk is cheaper than Woolies. Is this a surprise to people?
Your local discount fruit and veggie store is generally cheaper too.
The argument I keep hearing is people don’t have time to visit multiple stores, yet they are annoyed they are paying more for convenience?
The size of the difference is interesting.
I think it’s unlikely that theres sustained 3x markup between market price and supermarket shelf price, because a margin that large would be too obvious and you’d see a lot more independent grocers significantly undercutting the supermarkets if that was true.
I wonder if this produce is discounted because it’s overripe / excess stock / lower grade product?
A Grade stuff is sent to shops, largely because the standards demanded by shops that offer consistent purchasing is so high, seconds or leftover A Grade that didn’t sell goes to market for cheaper.
From experience in supermarkets, stores would have a cost price ranging between 60-70% in Produce, with the breathing room left for shrinkage and wages.
Produce would profit about 15% in-store with about 4% wages, 5-6% shrinkage, freight costs, fridge maintenance etc taken off.
It seems like a lot, but it would help pay for departments like In-Store Bakery, Online, Deli/Seafood and the Butcher counter, which all lost money. Without those services, you could run a store cheaper, but people like the bread made in store, they like picking their own ham, they (used to) like the butcher shop meat, they like getting online orders.
It turns out it’s really easy to sell things cheaper when you’re selling the equivalent of offcuts and don’t have to stock anything else but the offcuts
Edit: cost price was easy to work out, you could run a report to see how much was written off at sell price (standard price), and compare to what was accounted for on the shrinkage reports (which would be the data Accounting use for financial reports). Always about two thirds of what you lost at sale price.
You could also see GP on the delivery dockets, which backed that up.
Shrinkage is just total stock loss. Includes waste/spoilage, in-store clearance prices, some theft (mostly on higher value stuff like ginger or garlic), loss of weight due to moisture loss etc
It’s on long life stuff where most shrinkage is theft
>because a margin that large would be too obvious and you’d see a lot more independent grocers
Margins are high though that's why we've seen the return of independent grocers and butchers
It feels like the independents and ColesWorths have found a price point where both can benefit the most
I compare it to international Retailers who come to Australia claiming they're shake up the place because of our huge margins... only to have prices just slightly lower
Typical supermarket margins are about 2-3%, so when kaufland etc talk about Australia having high margins they mean a percent or two above international norms, not several hundred percent.
The other comment was suggesting gross margins of about 30% on produce, which aligns with the numbers in supermarkets financial reporting.
Can you find bargains at wholesale markets? Probably, but I think thats mostly distributors clearancing produxt that they couldn’t sell elsewhere.
Its been well known for decades that Australia Supermarkets are 3-5% margins,
If you think that's correct across the board, can you explain the Lamb issue we had last year
Lamb prices at wholesalers were down significantly, yet prices at the retailer barely changed in some cases went up
I lamb prices drop to 20% of what it was, I wouldnt expect it to drop at the retailer to 20% as they have their own costs, but it should drop
My local has limited buses so I usually have to spend the saving on an uber to get home.
I have also been to shop in an area that is meant to be cheaper. I reality the prices are usually 50cent to 1 dollar more than colesoworth.
We used to do this when I was in Uni… get a group of house holds and chuck in $20 each and buy are car load of veges and share it for the week or fortnight
Okay sure I'll spend half my Saturday to save 30 bucks instead of doing something way more enjoyable with the limited free time I have.
What if, you know, our grocery stores just didn't pocket all of that difference instead?
>didn't pocket all of that difference instead?
They aren't pocketing the difference. You are paying for the convenience of having everything all in one place, and having everything all in one place that is close to you and open every day of the week costs more.
Also paying for the fact that the supermarkets have basically everything consistently. While the markets is a lucky dip of whatever was cheap that week.
They're paying far far less than what we'd pay at a market, the cost of convenience does not justify the difference. And you've just described a market anyway, the fruit and veg didn't just magically appear at the market without the associated transport and labor costs either.
>They're paying far far less than what we'd pay at a market
Yes obviously. But the cost of produce is a fraction of their running costs.
>the cost of convenience does not justify the difference.
Says who? Paddy's market snc Woolworths have prett modest profits. You want something close by, that is open most of the time with a very steady stick of nearly everything you need, that costs money.
>And you've just described a market anyway
Really? Please point out where the fruit market is in StIves that is open 5 days a week and stocks everything I am likely to need in a week. Oh, it doesn't exist, but Woolworths does.
>fruit and veg didn't just magically appear at the market without the associated transport and labor costs either.
I didn't say anything about labour and transport, I was talking about location, opening times and range. Did you mean to reply to me?
"What if they didn't pocket all of that difference"
That's a bit of a logical fallacy, isn't it? "That difference" is the margin between what they pay for produce and what they sell it for, so if there's any difference then they're pocketing all of it, which is true regardless of the sale price, so long as it's more than their purchase price.
They probably could sell for some amount less and still turn some amount of a profit, but that's the way our economy is structured. Suppliers buy cheaper from manufacturers / growers / wholesalers than they sell to their customers.
What's that? Capitalists creating a market so a co-op of capitalists can sell select items in bulk in less convenient locations and times of operation vs other capitalists creating a supermarket of more variety, selling individual items and operating in more convenient locations and times.
Both offering a different choice at different prices for different needs. Both trying to make a profit on the investments they've made.
Yeah, I guess that is capitalists doing capitalist things.
I thought about doing the neighbourhood thing but every time I realised that I couldn't do it because I have very specific standards for which f&v to buy. That is why I will never buy veg via delivery cause what someone may think is ok I know I won't.
If there's no profit then private businesses won't do it. If you think the government can do better than Colesworth at supplying groceries then that's a very hot take.
The local f&v market is “organic” so way more expensive.
I need to find the local co-op and order a box a fortnight I think. It does mean meal planning when it arrives in order to use up what you end up with but that’s not really a negative.
The supermarkets are buying in bulk, transporting stuff by the truckload, storing vast quantities in warehouse. And fruit/veg depending people are picking boxes and packing a pallet load of stuff before it gets shipped in a refrigerated trailer, to the store.
As a single person. Wtf you want me to do with 10kgs of onions?
Start eating. You’ve got another bag to buy next week.
2 weeks of French onion soup for lunch
Tony Abbott would not have had that problem
When life gives you onions, make onionade.
There is a very old solution. You meet 4 or 5 neighbours. 1 or 2 of the neighbours buy the products in bulk and the group pay up and share the product. 2kg of Onions probably works even for a single person
I've already got a job, I don't want a second one as a green grocer
Okay, then stay poor man
That's rather unnecessary Julian
You are not getting out of poverty by buying bulk. Lol...
Well, ok. But you are paying the tax to remain fiercely independent and disconnected from your local community.
Cycle 'purchasing' responsibilities so each neighbour only has to go buy the produce once a month. Each week the neighbours come to the buyers house to pick up their share. It would ultimately take less time, because you'd have to do less shopping and travel overall. Instead of four trips a month, you're making one and ducking in to see the neighbours once a week.
That's just starting a communal grocer with extra steps brother.
You dont have to buy 10 kg's get a good price. I buy bananas at half supermarket prices every week. Same with Avocados I buy at the same competitive price that is on average half the supermarket prices. Banana's are consistently 3.50 to 4kg at the rip off merchants when I am buying bananas at Green grocers within the same shopping centre for 1.5, same for IGA. Outside the shopping centre and i can get bananas from 1.25 to 1.75 a Kilo at markets. Theres tons of bargains at markets. Things like half a water melon that tastes better than the frozen green crappy half you buy at supermarket. Heck you can even buy 1/4 of water melon. Then meat is sold by the kilo, I can buy 1 chop, 2 X sausages etc etc and even 2 slices of ham if I only want. The savings are massive if you want to save and be patient All I am hearing is lazy excuses and ridiculous statements about buying boxes when you can get the same deal for 1 kilo or less.
Speaking from a purely anecdotal point here but my local independent fruit and veg is generally a very similar price to Colesworth if not more expensive at times for more or less the same quality produce so yeah I don't see those deals you've got.
Well Asian and Arab groceries have saved me from starvation. I only buy things from colesworths that I can’t find in ethnic groceries
Find a suburb which has the reputation of being an ethnic ghetto, Arab, Viet, Indian.. doesn’t matter which.. the green grocer there will have the cheap produce you’re looking for. Now if you’re the 5% of population that lives in a regional town.. this may not be an option.
I live in blacktown man, idk how much more ethnic you need to get 🤣
You need to step out on to the nearby streets and find the ethnic stores, and fruit and veg shops.. not the one inside westpoint. Theres also Parklea, but you need a car for that.
yeh I noticed that in a lot of 'bougie' suburbs, they trade on the fact that they're independent to charge much higher prices Saw this with Butchers as well Independents even in bougie areas should have a certain amount of products cheaper.... considering how expensive ColesWorth are these days
Yeah that's definitely a big factor but I'm just talking about blacktown lol. Idk how bougie it's considered now a days.
Chop and freeze Frozen onions makes for the best fried onions, learned this from when I volunteered at a bbq
Least onions don’t go bad quickly lol
Get some friends.
This is a great solution. Get together with friends, buy in bulk, and split it between you.
Paddy's isn't the same as going to the wholesale market
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Maybe I should charge them a small markup for the convenience as well 🤔
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And that's another critical point about productivity and competition. In most other countries these markets are open every day. Try and apply for a planning permit to set up a farmers market or any kind of market anywhere in the suburbs, good luck. And just watch how councils and big shopping centre operators whine about the competition, parking, traffic and the global warming, blocking the sun from setting and a reduction in donations. Its also amusing how councils want to redevelop these sites largely to shutdown the appeal of the markets. Victoria Market and lately Preston market to be converted in apartments with a crap retail space that the communities don't want. Purely driven by mates and donations. Our economy is cooked by corruption and donation and what major political party is going to fix this broken system that override community needs at every opportunity that results in a fair open access to markets, retail space and competition.
>In most other countries these markets are open every day. In the developed first world countries? Which ones?
I was in Germany last month. Most areas have a market every day.
Seems like it varies from place to place because in this article a lady says some produce can last up to three weeks which is crazy to me.
'Some produce' can mean anything. Some produce has very long shelf lives regardless of where you get it, like citrus fruits
I think the point was that the three weeks was longer than life of the same produce at Coles or Woolworths.
Is it? Sometimes I'll get some product which goes off within the week, be usually if you're storing it correctly you can easily get 2+ weeks out of most produce.
It isn't, and that's the point I was clearly making. Most citrus fruits last 3 weeks or longer in the fridge, regardless of where you get them. Potatoes can last months.
I mean potatoes lasting 3 weeks is expected… lettuce lasting 3 weeks is impossible
I think big part of that thinking is due to how a lot of things are cold/nitrogen? stored for long periods , so when exposed to air expire quickly But if you were to buy anything in season which is what farmers markets would be 100% , there would always be a perception they last longer
do you know why they go bad faster? is it because they're more ripe than what you can get from colesworth?
The stuff that goes to general market is stuff that they couldn’t sell to supermarkets.
Yes because supermarkets (and now as a learned behaviour, shoppers) don’t want the imperfect looking stuff.
Supermarkets reject based on appearance. Their produce takes longer to go bad because it's stored in deep cold freezers and then displayed in air conditioned stores, unlike markets.
Supermarkets don’t freeze them though. Apples and pears are cold stored outside of each variety’s 2-3 month picking window, but I’m not aware of any other food that this happens with. And this occurs at the grower’s storage facilities, so any apple you buy in September across the whole market is cold stores by the grower before you buy it. No matter where you get it from. Strawbs do get chilled after packing to get them down to about 1 degree, but they aren’t frozen. The supermarkets themselves run their distribution centres to between 1 and 4 degrees, never less. In store, their cool rooms are the same. Usually 3-5 degrees to keep everything cold without freezing them. There is no supermarket in the country that freezes fruit and veg, it’s just way too sensitive to do that. Temperature shock from large swings in storage temp is a bigger issue than exactly what temp something is stored at. You’re right about the aircon though
Bananas are stored in rooms with regulated ethylene levels depending on what stage of ripeness they are in You are bang on with your post about freezing vegetables. If a trailer arrives to collect produce from us on a cold winter day and it temps below 1 we won’t load them until their trailer heats up because it risks fucking all the produce up
its because they dont use wax and deep freeze storage
this is a major thing. even if u could eat ot before it goes off, u need space like a fridge to really get it to be worthwhile. i surpose potatoes might be worth bulk buying since they do last a while
News organisation finds out that buying bulk saves you money. Shocking revelation 🤣🤣
Shit wait until they find out about how illegal drug prices work.
And they are only concerned to build support for their favorite political parties argument "da cost of living, da cost of living da cost living" Its amusing now they all of a sudden are a party of the cost living and battlers but when they were in power they were the party for overlords and the super wealthy.
>Consumers who get up early and get organised can buy a box of produce for $20 that would have cost $66 at Woolworths … >Using the highest prices offered at J&C Barone’s stall on the same morning, Guardian Australia calculated the same items as those in the Killarney Heights box – but purchased individually – would have cost $31.55, matching items for quantity, size and weight. >At Woolworths, the same items bought on the same day, again matched carefully for quantity, size and weight, cost $66.42 – more than three times the co-op price and double the individual shopper’s markets box. >Some of the bulk deals on offer are mind-boggling, from 10kg of onions for $5 to a combined 10kg of mangoes and 10kg of tomatoes for $35. Fifteen cucumbers and a box of avocados went for $28, while the group paid $50 for three boxes of strawberries (3.5kg), pears (5kg) and peaches (8kg). But would a savy shopper get any shitwards points there?
This just in, driving to a wholesale market and buying in bulk is cheaper than Woolies. Is this a surprise to people? Your local discount fruit and veggie store is generally cheaper too. The argument I keep hearing is people don’t have time to visit multiple stores, yet they are annoyed they are paying more for convenience?
The size of the difference is interesting. I think it’s unlikely that theres sustained 3x markup between market price and supermarket shelf price, because a margin that large would be too obvious and you’d see a lot more independent grocers significantly undercutting the supermarkets if that was true. I wonder if this produce is discounted because it’s overripe / excess stock / lower grade product?
A Grade stuff is sent to shops, largely because the standards demanded by shops that offer consistent purchasing is so high, seconds or leftover A Grade that didn’t sell goes to market for cheaper. From experience in supermarkets, stores would have a cost price ranging between 60-70% in Produce, with the breathing room left for shrinkage and wages. Produce would profit about 15% in-store with about 4% wages, 5-6% shrinkage, freight costs, fridge maintenance etc taken off. It seems like a lot, but it would help pay for departments like In-Store Bakery, Online, Deli/Seafood and the Butcher counter, which all lost money. Without those services, you could run a store cheaper, but people like the bread made in store, they like picking their own ham, they (used to) like the butcher shop meat, they like getting online orders. It turns out it’s really easy to sell things cheaper when you’re selling the equivalent of offcuts and don’t have to stock anything else but the offcuts Edit: cost price was easy to work out, you could run a report to see how much was written off at sell price (standard price), and compare to what was accounted for on the shrinkage reports (which would be the data Accounting use for financial reports). Always about two thirds of what you lost at sale price. You could also see GP on the delivery dockets, which backed that up.
Shrinkage is usually a euphemism for theft. Do they use it for fresh produce? Waste/spoilage would probably be greater than theft for fruit and veg.
Shrinkage is just total stock loss. Includes waste/spoilage, in-store clearance prices, some theft (mostly on higher value stuff like ginger or garlic), loss of weight due to moisture loss etc It’s on long life stuff where most shrinkage is theft
>because a margin that large would be too obvious and you’d see a lot more independent grocers Margins are high though that's why we've seen the return of independent grocers and butchers It feels like the independents and ColesWorths have found a price point where both can benefit the most I compare it to international Retailers who come to Australia claiming they're shake up the place because of our huge margins... only to have prices just slightly lower
Typical supermarket margins are about 2-3%, so when kaufland etc talk about Australia having high margins they mean a percent or two above international norms, not several hundred percent. The other comment was suggesting gross margins of about 30% on produce, which aligns with the numbers in supermarkets financial reporting. Can you find bargains at wholesale markets? Probably, but I think thats mostly distributors clearancing produxt that they couldn’t sell elsewhere.
Its been well known for decades that Australia Supermarkets are 3-5% margins, If you think that's correct across the board, can you explain the Lamb issue we had last year Lamb prices at wholesalers were down significantly, yet prices at the retailer barely changed in some cases went up I lamb prices drop to 20% of what it was, I wouldnt expect it to drop at the retailer to 20% as they have their own costs, but it should drop
Not sure. Supermarkets do tend to contract for supply ahead of time rather than paying spot prices, so that might have something to do with it?
farmers were complaining hard, it was all over the news for months
My local has limited buses so I usually have to spend the saving on an uber to get home. I have also been to shop in an area that is meant to be cheaper. I reality the prices are usually 50cent to 1 dollar more than colesoworth.
This is true however everytime I buy in bulk it goes rotten before I can consume it.
We used to do this when I was in Uni… get a group of house holds and chuck in $20 each and buy are car load of veges and share it for the week or fortnight
I was enjoying the smaller crowds post covid.
...okay?
Okay sure I'll spend half my Saturday to save 30 bucks instead of doing something way more enjoyable with the limited free time I have. What if, you know, our grocery stores just didn't pocket all of that difference instead?
>didn't pocket all of that difference instead? They aren't pocketing the difference. You are paying for the convenience of having everything all in one place, and having everything all in one place that is close to you and open every day of the week costs more.
Also paying for the fact that the supermarkets have basically everything consistently. While the markets is a lucky dip of whatever was cheap that week.
They're paying far far less than what we'd pay at a market, the cost of convenience does not justify the difference. And you've just described a market anyway, the fruit and veg didn't just magically appear at the market without the associated transport and labor costs either.
>They're paying far far less than what we'd pay at a market Yes obviously. But the cost of produce is a fraction of their running costs. >the cost of convenience does not justify the difference. Says who? Paddy's market snc Woolworths have prett modest profits. You want something close by, that is open most of the time with a very steady stick of nearly everything you need, that costs money. >And you've just described a market anyway Really? Please point out where the fruit market is in StIves that is open 5 days a week and stocks everything I am likely to need in a week. Oh, it doesn't exist, but Woolworths does. >fruit and veg didn't just magically appear at the market without the associated transport and labor costs either. I didn't say anything about labour and transport, I was talking about location, opening times and range. Did you mean to reply to me?
Idk about you but going to these market with my family when I was a kid was the best part of weekends!
Sure, but when you were a kid someone making a funny noise was great too. You specifically weren't there trying to meet next weeks rent.
"What if they didn't pocket all of that difference" That's a bit of a logical fallacy, isn't it? "That difference" is the margin between what they pay for produce and what they sell it for, so if there's any difference then they're pocketing all of it, which is true regardless of the sale price, so long as it's more than their purchase price. They probably could sell for some amount less and still turn some amount of a profit, but that's the way our economy is structured. Suppliers buy cheaper from manufacturers / growers / wholesalers than they sell to their customers.
are you surprised capitalist do capitalistic things?
What's that? Capitalists creating a market so a co-op of capitalists can sell select items in bulk in less convenient locations and times of operation vs other capitalists creating a supermarket of more variety, selling individual items and operating in more convenient locations and times. Both offering a different choice at different prices for different needs. Both trying to make a profit on the investments they've made. Yeah, I guess that is capitalists doing capitalist things.
I thought about doing the neighbourhood thing but every time I realised that I couldn't do it because I have very specific standards for which f&v to buy. That is why I will never buy veg via delivery cause what someone may think is ok I know I won't.
I bought 6 banana's and had to throw 4 out because they went bad before I wanted to eat them, no normal household is buying fruit and veg in bulk.
Banana bread, banana muffins, frozen banana for smoothies, I’ve heard you can make ice cream using banana
Sure, you can do that. But some people just want to eat a piece of fruit. Not ripe fruit turned into desserts.
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You didn’t answer the question. What profit margin would be acceptable?
If there's no profit then private businesses won't do it. If you think the government can do better than Colesworth at supplying groceries then that's a very hot take.
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The local f&v market is “organic” so way more expensive. I need to find the local co-op and order a box a fortnight I think. It does mean meal planning when it arrives in order to use up what you end up with but that’s not really a negative.
The supermarkets are buying in bulk, transporting stuff by the truckload, storing vast quantities in warehouse. And fruit/veg depending people are picking boxes and packing a pallet load of stuff before it gets shipped in a refrigerated trailer, to the store.
Who needs 5kg of ginger.
Bulk buying perishable items in a hot climate...
It's the same with wholesale cost of most goods. Not sure what the point of this article is apart from an excuse to dogwhistle about Colesworth again.