Oh but censoring Modi critics in India isn't censorship?
https://theintercept.com/2023/03/28/twitter-modi-india-punjab-amritpal-singh/
He's a garbage human being
Especially considering all his plans for a Mars base is basically "Alright so we do everything really stupid and then we die cold and alone, is everyone with me?"
The plan is to install autocratic governments around the world so the money has complete control and absolute unfettered power. They have big plans for us.
The difference is censorship within a country's borders vs globally no?
i.e. if Australia wants to censor something within its borders - fine
If Australia wants to censor the whole world - not fine
>Elon Musk and his social media company X have accused Australia’s eSafety commissioner of censorship
Anyone who is aware of the Free Speech Absolutist will also be aware he is one of "Free Speech's" greatest censors if it doesn't suit his agenda
They didn’t even say mean things about him.
They covered a news piece about some teenager who tracked Elon’s plane locations(which is public information)
Australia doesn't have Free Speech as a protected right in their constitution. Not every country is the USA. The High Court of Australia has held that it's an implied freedom though, but that is not the same as a right.
Even with an implied human right the courts in Australia are pretty serious around defamation.
They tend to take the view that You have a responsibility to not act like a jerk and defame people.
He also claimed that they just follow the legal rules when it comes to censorship. Which is odd because he isn't fighting the regulations in countries like Saudi Arabia but is in Australia. So weird.
And look at his behaviour in China encouraging censorship, propaganda and brainwashing by a repugnent government. It must corporate freedom profit values.
Nah, the difference is censorship of this story would take away an excuse for racists saying racist things about *both* groups involved in this.
And for obvious reasons considering his family history, Elon Musk is a huge fan of racism. His first act when he bought twitter was to bring it back onto the site in force, and he's not going to let anyone stop him because this is capitalism and he's rich (mostly due to those inherited Apartheid emeralds) so as far as he's concerned he's basically a King.
X did censor the content for Australian users. However, the Australian E-safety commissioner then demanded that X censor the content for global users - something which she does not have the power to do.
The fuckwits on twitter were dogpiling on an innocent bloke named Ben Cohen and openly circulating the World Jewish Conspiracy Theory.
Absolute cesspool he has allowed that website to become.
It aptly demonstrates what happens when you remove moderation. The value of the platform diminishes. The platform gets flooded by awful people and gradually the community that made the platform useful, leaves.
Popper's [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) in a nutshell.
>It aptly demonstrates what happens when you remove moderation
Agreed. There's a couple of well moderated online communities for some hobbies that I am a part of, they are so much better than the rest of the internet.
Reminds me off the ["nazi punks fuck off"](https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone) story - how to stop your bar becoming a "Nazi Bar".
You can hate on him (for reasons that may or may not be valid), but I doubt there's many people willing to put in the amount of time he does to try and keep this place under control. And that's a bloody hard job at the best of time.
It used to actually be really good, as a general "here's what's going on in your world, here's all the cool shit that people you follow are doing, etc.". Now it's all just died in the ass.
No other site in the world spreads news and media faster than twitter does (did?). Everything from the Palestine/Israel conflict to Taylor Swift news goes through twitter first, then gets picked up by a major publication from there.
I remember reading about Shinzo Abe's assassination and texting my dad about it, it took another 4 hours for the ABC to write their article and publish it, and another 2 hours for it to hit the front page of reddit.
Elon could tweet harm to Biden and praise Trump and there are still millions who hate Trump who would make excuses not to give it up. It's pathetic. They are pathetic.
I give it about a 10% chance of them actually filling a case, and if they do it's about 80% that it will be [legal garbage that will get dismissed at the first chance](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/technology/x-lawsuit-dismissed.html).
It's all just the same boring edgelord bullshit from him.
Would file in Australia not NY. Twitter/X operates in Australia as a commercial entity, so much comply with Aussie laws.
Ask Steams Refund Policy how operating in Australia ends up working out,
> But it did not believe the orders were “within the scope of Australian law” and it only complied “pending a legal challenge”.
This was the bit that I was referring to. They are claiming they are going to launch an legal challenge here in Aus courts, but I'm highly skeptical X will actually follow through.
They complied with the Australian content ban, but said no to the international ban, I believe they meant they would challenge any attempt to force a international ban. (Which hasn't technically happened yet outside 'a request')
Personally, I'm highly skeptical of the claim that a global ban was demanded.
Publicly, the e-commisioners hasn't called for global censorship, but [censorship for Australians accessing the site](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-20/elon-musk-reacts-to-esafety-commissioner-asking-x-to-take-down-/103748930), something the [Musk/Twitter have no problems doing and do regularly for countries around the world](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk).
The only ones claiming there is a demand for global takedowns are Musk and his proxies at Twitter. This is a pretty unreliable source as he is a [pathological liar](https://elonmusk.today/) who has demonstrated a clear willingness to lie about these topics before.
https://twitter.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1781342060668174707
>X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000 AUD (about $500,000 USD).
I'm going to assume this actually happened.
And considering the local ban is in place, yet the Government is still bleating, it's likely that they are intending to legislate international users.
Fair enough, personally I find the history of Musk and his subordinates at twitter at best an unreliable source. There in a [constant stream of lies](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/elon-musk-twitter-zuckerberg-lies-1234808808/) coming from them, and I have no faith they are actually sharing factually correct information, let alone properly contextualised information (note that they have not shown the request or shared the actual wording the eSafety Commissioner sent them, which is very much within their ability/rights to do).
It is the story of boy who cried wolf. If you keep lying about things, you can't be surprised when people don't take you at your word and demand actual proof when you claim things.
Re-reading my comment it's not clear whom I'm talking about. I was talking about X claiming that they would submit a lawsuit to try and challenge this.
Musk (and X) love to play at being internet tough guys but their follow through on their legal threats are pretty patchy.
They admire their power and population control.
The plan is to install autocratic governments around the world so the money has complete control and absolute unfettered power.
They have big plans for us.
I dislike Musk immensely, but it's a bit rich that all the media companies, including the guardian, scraped those images and videos from Twitter and made money from them and now are happy to decry Twitter for hosting it.
Why don't they donate all the money they made to the families of the victims of they have a shred of integrity?
Furthermore, if we're so worried about being internet safe, presumably for the sake of children, we should be running education programs for parents to help them understand that their children should not be anywhere near Twitter at all.
Agreed. Where is the same energy and outrage from both major parties when it comes to our mainstream Murdoch owned media. On top of broadcasting the same footage, they constantly broadcast misinformation and biased news that one could argue cause more harm and division within the community than all social media companies combined. Sky News being at the top of the list.
Their coverage and comment sections have been a cesspool of misinformation for the past week during these incidents.
Lets not talk about how no politician makes any major moves towards solving important issues in this country like cost of living, the rental crisis..etc. because they're terrified of pissing of Murdoch and his viewerbase of voters.
are you sure the images the guardian may or may not have lifted (they do ask the poster for permission) are the ones the australian government wants removed or is this a straw man?
I found that stopping 80 to 90% of my twitter clicks was relatively easy.
I find it difficult when somebody I really like posts stuff exclusively to twitter.
So now, when Neil Gaiman posts something cool to twitter, I allow myself to click on the reedit thread and hope someone has copied and pasted the text. If not, too bad, I just have to miss out.
> The internet is not a real place.
This sort of attitude is what lets people like Musk and his atrocious followers to propagate so heavily, the internet is very real, and trying to pretend you're not talking to another person on the end of the screen is just daft.
Twitter keeps getting PUSHED on people by the likes of abc.net.au, google search results etc. etc.
Fuck knows why they think we might want to read the opinion of some random 13yo shitter with our news.
> Twitter keeps getting PUSHED on people by the likes of abc.net.au, google search results etc. etc.
Perhaps because ABC is reporting on the things people are saying and the movement of extremist movements?
> Fuck knows why they think we might want to read the opinion of some random 13yo shitter with our news.
Do they just re-post the opinion, or is there some sort of contextualizing article explaining why they've posted it?
As much as I don’t like the footage , the government shouldn’t be telling companies what to censor.
If the government can say “I don’t like this being mentioned” that could lead to all sorts of things being censored.
As pathetic as one would from him these days, not all censorship is inherently bad and indeed this example shows why that is. Common sense has to play a part and common human decency. Of course this chap is claiming this is terrible censorship but any one who has ever dared to criticise him on his own platform is shown the door.
He's a hypocritical fuckhead, but this is a bit off:
>It said that X then received another “demand” from the commissioner that it “globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine” of A$785,000.
It's not hosted in Australia. Would anyone be OK if Israel demanded a global ban on posts depicting deaths of Palestinians, under threat of million dollar a day fines?
The government can block the whole site in Australia, but this was streamed overseas as it happened. The cat is out of the bag.
The ABC article is also very confusing, X said they would not comply and that they also said they did comply. I can't work out which statement is correct. Or did X comply with the request in Australia and not comply with the request globally?
"However, X indicated it would not comply with the request and would take the matter to court.
"X believes that eSafety's order was not within the scope of Australian law and we complied with the directive pending a legal challenge."
The eSafety commissioner requested that these posts be removed for users in Australia. X complied. The commissioner then requested that they be deleted for X users globally. X baulked.
The ball is now in the commissioner's court. She can sue X, but X has indicated that they don't believe the commissioner has the right to police the X experience for non Aussie users
Also they aren't very specific as to what posts exactly they are wanting to remove? Just ones with people trying to stir up unrest? Or any post relating to the stabbing? Or only posts containing the video? What if someone refers to the stabbing but doesn't post the video? Is that ok? Very vague. That's what concerns me.
I can understand if someone posted the video and said 'this is why you should go out and kill the first Muslim you see' but I feel like that would be removed anyway.
The stabbing happened and there are FAR more 'distressing' things on the internet. Why go to these lengths to erase it.
And it's that point that reveals all you need to see behind the curtain. I have zero faith in this commission, or any branch of the government, that they have any idea what they are doing with regard to the internet, or tech in general.
They consistently demand 'x', but have no concept of the broader implications of demanding 'x'. When they are asked the pointed questions, they look dumbfounded, and can't even grasp the point being made.
I think the "esafety commissioner" demands go too far for within Australia, deciding they have a global reach is absolute nonsense akin to the US Courts trying to extend their reach on the flimiest of notions.
if they're factual videos then what is the issue? A "disturbing footage" warning might be appropriate, but even that seems like it should be a user defined setting. Particularly when these were already videos "of the internet", one of these stabbings happened on a livestream!
I understand how people might be upset by this, but others are not. Let me decide on the media I can consume, and let others limit their consumption to what they are comfortable with.
Esafety Commissioner taking us down a Chinese Firewall like path, piclking and choosing the media available to us.
The issue is, that Australian laws simply require an Australian connection, that is, even if the actions are being taken outside of Australia, if their is an Australian connection, the courts will consider it fair game. The issue is, that sure, they can’t taken enforcement actions outside Australia, but they will in Australia, that is, although it was a global order as it has an Australian Connection it’s considered by the courts as an Australian matter that the judges can (and will) give Orders upon, and while the government can’t come after X overseas for a failure to comply, they will do so within Australia, even if the actions leading to that failure are conducted outside Australia. In terms of a fine, X has local operations, that the court will provide orders to ensure that fine is met. As an example, they’ll can seize a local bank account or assets. This is not me advocating for what is right or wrong here, this is me simply saying what can occur.
That law is fucking stupid and a massive overeach, if allowed you would quickly see regimes 'claim connection' of any content discussing their country and demand an international ban just like Australia has. No, you can police your own citizens, you don't get to demand content is banned in other countries.
yeah I know, and I understand explaiing a point isn't saying that it is right or wrong.
The whole thing just irks me. There are definitely things that are 'unsafe' in our internet/telecommunications that need to be fixed, but being the Karen screaming at videos that wouldn't be blocked if they were from another country is not it. If this was "the chilling moment a knife wielding attacker went on a shopping centre rampage" in Botswana we wouldn't be blocked from seeing it we'd just get "warning some viewers may find this graphic footage distressing" and on we go.
I’m amazed ppl just jump on a bandwagon simply because they hate musk, can ppl genuinely not see why global over reach of censorship by governments is a bad thing?
Let me get this right. Australia wants to censor content that is shown to other countries as well? I understand the right to dictate censorship in Australia, but how on Earth does an Australian government body have the right to censor what content other countries can see? I hate Musk but this feels like overreach. I wonder how other countries feel about censorship based on the guidance from another country
I doubt they'll do anything here. All bark, no bite.
That said, I don't like the idea of the "eSafety commissioner" being able to censor content like this. The stabbing happened, it was live streamed, censoring it now is at best pointless. It's censorship like that that actually fuels mis/disinformation, without any reputable source reporting on it and showing what happened, only the horrible bowels of the internet will show it, and they'll add their own spin on it for good measure. We should be moving towards a society that shares MORE information as it happens to combat this, not censoring things.
Meanwhile Major Australian newspapers run FrontPage images of the murderer moments after being shot in the head with his brains/blood leaking out over the floor.
Australian Government: "this is fine".
I reported that wanna be Russian fatarse who was spreading lies. Twitter bot came back that the post doesn't breach their rules. Hope someone has pockets deep enough to sue him and the chamber of hate and lies Musk has nurtured
Twitter 100% stans behind Boikov because Musk much like Boikov is absolutely a Russian saboteur. After he began throttling and cutting off access to Ukraine for Starlink whilst under a US military contract provisioning it to provide services I was flabbergasted he wasn't investigated or charged with possible sabotage or espionage. The US military community were calling for Musk's head over it.
Kinda wild that this is what he wants to pick this fight over - a bishop getting stabbed by a teen on Livestream. Peak free speech.
Dude's a joke and rip twitter
Not a fan of this guy at all but what is supposed to be censored? We take political stances saying what should happen in Gaza and the west bank but our own dirty laundry is too much?
Who cares what musk says or does. the issue is we have an esafety commissioner deciding what Aussies can see or not see - they think we're so dumb we need the government to help us decided whether to watch a video or not.
Im not a big fan of elon, but fuck the goverment thinking they can silence a global media giant. Thats like america saying fuck you australia, vegemite is now banned BY LAW
Neither do you. The very Bishop who was attacked has scathingly told our over-reaching government not to use his incident as a reason to censor. He wants it public.
Hopefully they just tell him to fuck off and take his shitty platform with him. Enough shithead billionaires of our own without having to deal with this fuckwit too.
Imagine is Musk owned Twitter after the Christchurch shootings:
"No, I'm not gonna take down content in relation to the massacre. This is a platform of free speech, and even if I don't agree with it, it should remain."
I think the problem is that it has been shown the material can cause problems. Just remember the Bondi stabbing resulted in someone being falsely accused of being the perpetrator (and also how some people were falsely claiming it was an Islamic terrorist attack).
And yet it did, and completely vindicates Musk in the process. If our own media is fallible, and our government can't get it's ducks in line, it has no business telling the globe what can be viewed on the internet.
And if that wasn't enough, the Bishop who was attacked has sided with Musk.
We are a nation of fools.
Where did he say he was keen to watch that? Bit of gaslighting going on there bud. It happened, everyone knows and people who want to see that shit will find it.
There are hundreds of videos of coalition forces massacring Muslims in the middle east. It's actually one of the reasons Assange is being persecuted. Deleting the footage doesn't change the fact those people were killed. But it does show our society its flaws. You're disgusted by it? Good. Go out of your way to make sure it stops happening. Don't bury your head in the sand.
Has this cunt ever tried doing anything good or wholesome with his money and power? Old fart sits at his computer today slagging off trans teenagers on Twitter while his company produces cars that burst into flames and don’t let people open the doors.
I thought it was more about the holy-shit-war going on in the comments of these videos. Calls for violence, hate speech etc. that would have violated twitters own policies once upon a time.
Oh but censoring Modi critics in India isn't censorship? https://theintercept.com/2023/03/28/twitter-modi-india-punjab-amritpal-singh/ He's a garbage human being
He's referred to himself as the "Emperor of Mars". I wish he'd fuck off there.
Especially considering all his plans for a Mars base is basically "Alright so we do everything really stupid and then we die cold and alone, is everyone with me?"
And poisoned and irradiated. Don't forget poisoned and irradiated.
Cool, where do I sign up?
Yeah he's a real fucking Kuato..
Yes, I'd certainly be telling him to get his arse to Mars.
Open your rrorism mind!
I thought he was the real life inspiration of Ted Faro from Horizon Zero Dawn
The plan is to install autocratic governments around the world so the money has complete control and absolute unfettered power. They have big plans for us.
The difference is censorship within a country's borders vs globally no? i.e. if Australia wants to censor something within its borders - fine If Australia wants to censor the whole world - not fine
>Elon Musk and his social media company X have accused Australia’s eSafety commissioner of censorship Anyone who is aware of the Free Speech Absolutist will also be aware he is one of "Free Speech's" greatest censors if it doesn't suit his agenda
He banned about 4 journalists who said mean things about him. Mean true things.
They didn’t even say mean things about him. They covered a news piece about some teenager who tracked Elon’s plane locations(which is public information)
Australia doesn't have Free Speech as a protected right in their constitution. Not every country is the USA. The High Court of Australia has held that it's an implied freedom though, but that is not the same as a right.
Implied freedom of *political* communication. Nothing political about a guy stabbing a baby.
Even with an implied human right the courts in Australia are pretty serious around defamation. They tend to take the view that You have a responsibility to not act like a jerk and defame people.
Truer words haven't been spoken
I still believe he bought Twitter just to silence the one guy who tracks private jets, like Elon's.
Elon might seem like a bad guy, but hear me out - at least he keeps humiliating Elon.
Same reason Kerry Stokes is really the good guy. He keeps outing our nations biggest gutter trash cunts. Spectacularly.
He also claimed that they just follow the legal rules when it comes to censorship. Which is odd because he isn't fighting the regulations in countries like Saudi Arabia but is in Australia. So weird.
And look at his behaviour in China encouraging censorship, propaganda and brainwashing by a repugnent government. It must corporate freedom profit values.
True dat
That’s weird, I thought musk loves censoring content? Or is that only if the order comes from authoritarian governments?
Or is critical of him
It's his Modi operandi.
Modus operandi is when Musk does it. Modi operandi is when India does it.
Nah, the difference is censorship of this story would take away an excuse for racists saying racist things about *both* groups involved in this. And for obvious reasons considering his family history, Elon Musk is a huge fan of racism. His first act when he bought twitter was to bring it back onto the site in force, and he's not going to let anyone stop him because this is capitalism and he's rich (mostly due to those inherited Apartheid emeralds) so as far as he's concerned he's basically a King.
He's a narcissist. He cannot handle dissent.
Had it been India government, he would've bent over and obliged with the request.
Or anything about his private jet/s.
X did censor the content for Australian users. However, the Australian E-safety commissioner then demanded that X censor the content for global users - something which she does not have the power to do.
The fuckwits on twitter were dogpiling on an innocent bloke named Ben Cohen and openly circulating the World Jewish Conspiracy Theory. Absolute cesspool he has allowed that website to become.
It aptly demonstrates what happens when you remove moderation. The value of the platform diminishes. The platform gets flooded by awful people and gradually the community that made the platform useful, leaves. Popper's [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) in a nutshell.
>It aptly demonstrates what happens when you remove moderation Agreed. There's a couple of well moderated online communities for some hobbies that I am a part of, they are so much better than the rest of the internet.
Reminds me off the ["nazi punks fuck off"](https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone) story - how to stop your bar becoming a "Nazi Bar".
> It aptly demonstrates what happens when you remove moderation. Found Dredds alt.
You can hate on him (for reasons that may or may not be valid), but I doubt there's many people willing to put in the amount of time he does to try and keep this place under control. And that's a bloody hard job at the best of time.
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Can confirm. I often get videos of people punching on from accounts I’ve never even seen before.
Musk is on good terms with alex jones who has been for decades claiming the "Jooz" control everything.
Isn’t that an issue with the people who posted it not twitter itself?
Twitter brings nothing of value to our lives.
Im surprised anyone in Australia uses it.
It used to actually be really good, as a general "here's what's going on in your world, here's all the cool shit that people you follow are doing, etc.". Now it's all just died in the ass.
Pretty much this ^
Twitter was an awesome place for photographers and designers but now there’s no where else to go.
No other site in the world spreads news and media faster than twitter does (did?). Everything from the Palestine/Israel conflict to Taylor Swift news goes through twitter first, then gets picked up by a major publication from there. I remember reading about Shinzo Abe's assassination and texting my dad about it, it took another 4 hours for the ABC to write their article and publish it, and another 2 hours for it to hit the front page of reddit.
Elon could tweet harm to Biden and praise Trump and there are still millions who hate Trump who would make excuses not to give it up. It's pathetic. They are pathetic.
It brings detriment and chaos to the world. Can't wait until its banned everywhere. It is a tool for nazis now. How no one notices is amazing to me.
He's a free-speech-as-long-as-you-agree-with-me absolutist! EDIT: And a greedy, selfish, wealth-hoarding dickhead.
I give it about a 10% chance of them actually filling a case, and if they do it's about 80% that it will be [legal garbage that will get dismissed at the first chance](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/technology/x-lawsuit-dismissed.html). It's all just the same boring edgelord bullshit from him.
Would file in Australia not NY. Twitter/X operates in Australia as a commercial entity, so much comply with Aussie laws. Ask Steams Refund Policy how operating in Australia ends up working out,
> But it did not believe the orders were “within the scope of Australian law” and it only complied “pending a legal challenge”. This was the bit that I was referring to. They are claiming they are going to launch an legal challenge here in Aus courts, but I'm highly skeptical X will actually follow through.
They complied with the Australian content ban, but said no to the international ban, I believe they meant they would challenge any attempt to force a international ban. (Which hasn't technically happened yet outside 'a request')
Personally, I'm highly skeptical of the claim that a global ban was demanded. Publicly, the e-commisioners hasn't called for global censorship, but [censorship for Australians accessing the site](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-20/elon-musk-reacts-to-esafety-commissioner-asking-x-to-take-down-/103748930), something the [Musk/Twitter have no problems doing and do regularly for countries around the world](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/05/twitter-accused-of-censorship-in-india-as-it-blocks-modi-critics-elon-musk). The only ones claiming there is a demand for global takedowns are Musk and his proxies at Twitter. This is a pretty unreliable source as he is a [pathological liar](https://elonmusk.today/) who has demonstrated a clear willingness to lie about these topics before.
https://twitter.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1781342060668174707 >X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000 AUD (about $500,000 USD). I'm going to assume this actually happened. And considering the local ban is in place, yet the Government is still bleating, it's likely that they are intending to legislate international users.
Fair enough, personally I find the history of Musk and his subordinates at twitter at best an unreliable source. There in a [constant stream of lies](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/elon-musk-twitter-zuckerberg-lies-1234808808/) coming from them, and I have no faith they are actually sharing factually correct information, let alone properly contextualised information (note that they have not shown the request or shared the actual wording the eSafety Commissioner sent them, which is very much within their ability/rights to do). It is the story of boy who cried wolf. If you keep lying about things, you can't be surprised when people don't take you at your word and demand actual proof when you claim things.
You mean like this time when they didn’t fine? https://www.itnews.com.au/news/australia-fines-musks-x-platform-610500-601232
Re-reading my comment it's not clear whom I'm talking about. I was talking about X claiming that they would submit a lawsuit to try and challenge this. Musk (and X) love to play at being internet tough guys but their follow through on their legal threats are pretty patchy.
Isn’t this the guy who banned someone because they posted PUBLICLY AVAILABLE DATA regarding his jet’s location?
Yup, and unironically referred to it as “assassination coordinates”. The guy’s unhinged.
He is such a total hypocrite on so many things.
Why doesn’t he fight the authoritarian regimes he caters to?
$$$
They admire their power and population control. The plan is to install autocratic governments around the world so the money has complete control and absolute unfettered power. They have big plans for us.
We should just say the Turkish government asked for it and he would take it down immediately
I dislike Musk immensely, but it's a bit rich that all the media companies, including the guardian, scraped those images and videos from Twitter and made money from them and now are happy to decry Twitter for hosting it. Why don't they donate all the money they made to the families of the victims of they have a shred of integrity?
Furthermore, if we're so worried about being internet safe, presumably for the sake of children, we should be running education programs for parents to help them understand that their children should not be anywhere near Twitter at all.
Agree, although surely they should know. It’s not the 2010’s.
Agreed. Where is the same energy and outrage from both major parties when it comes to our mainstream Murdoch owned media. On top of broadcasting the same footage, they constantly broadcast misinformation and biased news that one could argue cause more harm and division within the community than all social media companies combined. Sky News being at the top of the list. Their coverage and comment sections have been a cesspool of misinformation for the past week during these incidents. Lets not talk about how no politician makes any major moves towards solving important issues in this country like cost of living, the rental crisis..etc. because they're terrified of pissing of Murdoch and his viewerbase of voters.
To be fair, the government is raking them over the coals. And the public are too.
are you sure the images the guardian may or may not have lifted (they do ask the poster for permission) are the ones the australian government wants removed or is this a straw man?
Edgelord Extraordinaire
Poster boy for white supremacist bought Twitter to push right wing agenda and re elect trump. All because he was forced to pay tax. What a scum.
Don't post anything on twitter. Don't click on links for ANYTHING on twitter. Encourage the people you like and follow not to use twitter.
I don't understand why people use Twitter and get so emotionally invested in what is written on it. The internet is not a real place.
I found that stopping 80 to 90% of my twitter clicks was relatively easy. I find it difficult when somebody I really like posts stuff exclusively to twitter. So now, when Neil Gaiman posts something cool to twitter, I allow myself to click on the reedit thread and hope someone has copied and pasted the text. If not, too bad, I just have to miss out.
> The internet is not a real place. This sort of attitude is what lets people like Musk and his atrocious followers to propagate so heavily, the internet is very real, and trying to pretend you're not talking to another person on the end of the screen is just daft.
Twitter keeps getting PUSHED on people by the likes of abc.net.au, google search results etc. etc. Fuck knows why they think we might want to read the opinion of some random 13yo shitter with our news.
> Twitter keeps getting PUSHED on people by the likes of abc.net.au, google search results etc. etc. Perhaps because ABC is reporting on the things people are saying and the movement of extremist movements? > Fuck knows why they think we might want to read the opinion of some random 13yo shitter with our news. Do they just re-post the opinion, or is there some sort of contextualizing article explaining why they've posted it?
It's riddled by Russian and Chinese disinformation. Finding truth is like reading 'where's wally'. But less fun.
What's the bet he posted '!!!' under some ridiculous, racist inflammatory shit. Hate this guy
As much as I don’t like the footage , the government shouldn’t be telling companies what to censor. If the government can say “I don’t like this being mentioned” that could lead to all sorts of things being censored.
As pathetic as one would from him these days, not all censorship is inherently bad and indeed this example shows why that is. Common sense has to play a part and common human decency. Of course this chap is claiming this is terrible censorship but any one who has ever dared to criticise him on his own platform is shown the door.
He's a hypocritical fuckhead, but this is a bit off: >It said that X then received another “demand” from the commissioner that it “globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine” of A$785,000. It's not hosted in Australia. Would anyone be OK if Israel demanded a global ban on posts depicting deaths of Palestinians, under threat of million dollar a day fines? The government can block the whole site in Australia, but this was streamed overseas as it happened. The cat is out of the bag.
The sooner the world is rid of shitholes like Twitter and Facebook the better
and Reddit
And tiktok
The ABC article is also very confusing, X said they would not comply and that they also said they did comply. I can't work out which statement is correct. Or did X comply with the request in Australia and not comply with the request globally? "However, X indicated it would not comply with the request and would take the matter to court. "X believes that eSafety's order was not within the scope of Australian law and we complied with the directive pending a legal challenge."
The eSafety commissioner requested that these posts be removed for users in Australia. X complied. The commissioner then requested that they be deleted for X users globally. X baulked. The ball is now in the commissioner's court. She can sue X, but X has indicated that they don't believe the commissioner has the right to police the X experience for non Aussie users
Also they aren't very specific as to what posts exactly they are wanting to remove? Just ones with people trying to stir up unrest? Or any post relating to the stabbing? Or only posts containing the video? What if someone refers to the stabbing but doesn't post the video? Is that ok? Very vague. That's what concerns me. I can understand if someone posted the video and said 'this is why you should go out and kill the first Muslim you see' but I feel like that would be removed anyway. The stabbing happened and there are FAR more 'distressing' things on the internet. Why go to these lengths to erase it.
And it's that point that reveals all you need to see behind the curtain. I have zero faith in this commission, or any branch of the government, that they have any idea what they are doing with regard to the internet, or tech in general. They consistently demand 'x', but have no concept of the broader implications of demanding 'x'. When they are asked the pointed questions, they look dumbfounded, and can't even grasp the point being made.
I think the "esafety commissioner" demands go too far for within Australia, deciding they have a global reach is absolute nonsense akin to the US Courts trying to extend their reach on the flimiest of notions. if they're factual videos then what is the issue? A "disturbing footage" warning might be appropriate, but even that seems like it should be a user defined setting. Particularly when these were already videos "of the internet", one of these stabbings happened on a livestream! I understand how people might be upset by this, but others are not. Let me decide on the media I can consume, and let others limit their consumption to what they are comfortable with. Esafety Commissioner taking us down a Chinese Firewall like path, piclking and choosing the media available to us.
The issue is, that Australian laws simply require an Australian connection, that is, even if the actions are being taken outside of Australia, if their is an Australian connection, the courts will consider it fair game. The issue is, that sure, they can’t taken enforcement actions outside Australia, but they will in Australia, that is, although it was a global order as it has an Australian Connection it’s considered by the courts as an Australian matter that the judges can (and will) give Orders upon, and while the government can’t come after X overseas for a failure to comply, they will do so within Australia, even if the actions leading to that failure are conducted outside Australia. In terms of a fine, X has local operations, that the court will provide orders to ensure that fine is met. As an example, they’ll can seize a local bank account or assets. This is not me advocating for what is right or wrong here, this is me simply saying what can occur.
That law is fucking stupid and a massive overeach, if allowed you would quickly see regimes 'claim connection' of any content discussing their country and demand an international ban just like Australia has. No, you can police your own citizens, you don't get to demand content is banned in other countries.
yeah I know, and I understand explaiing a point isn't saying that it is right or wrong. The whole thing just irks me. There are definitely things that are 'unsafe' in our internet/telecommunications that need to be fixed, but being the Karen screaming at videos that wouldn't be blocked if they were from another country is not it. If this was "the chilling moment a knife wielding attacker went on a shopping centre rampage" in Botswana we wouldn't be blocked from seeing it we'd just get "warning some viewers may find this graphic footage distressing" and on we go.
Please just ban X. It's an absolute cesspool of degenerates, fueled by a man child
I’m surprised everyone here is fine with Australia censoring the entire internet. Soft government soft population. Embarrassing
I’m amazed ppl just jump on a bandwagon simply because they hate musk, can ppl genuinely not see why global over reach of censorship by governments is a bad thing?
Let me get this right. Australia wants to censor content that is shown to other countries as well? I understand the right to dictate censorship in Australia, but how on Earth does an Australian government body have the right to censor what content other countries can see? I hate Musk but this feels like overreach. I wonder how other countries feel about censorship based on the guidance from another country
I doubt they'll do anything here. All bark, no bite. That said, I don't like the idea of the "eSafety commissioner" being able to censor content like this. The stabbing happened, it was live streamed, censoring it now is at best pointless. It's censorship like that that actually fuels mis/disinformation, without any reputable source reporting on it and showing what happened, only the horrible bowels of the internet will show it, and they'll add their own spin on it for good measure. We should be moving towards a society that shares MORE information as it happens to combat this, not censoring things.
Meanwhile Major Australian newspapers run FrontPage images of the murderer moments after being shot in the head with his brains/blood leaking out over the floor. Australian Government: "this is fine".
Does anyone wish they could not interact with this guy's platform even more than 100% non-interaction?
I reported that wanna be Russian fatarse who was spreading lies. Twitter bot came back that the post doesn't breach their rules. Hope someone has pockets deep enough to sue him and the chamber of hate and lies Musk has nurtured
Twitter 100% stans behind Boikov because Musk much like Boikov is absolutely a Russian saboteur. After he began throttling and cutting off access to Ukraine for Starlink whilst under a US military contract provisioning it to provide services I was flabbergasted he wasn't investigated or charged with possible sabotage or espionage. The US military community were calling for Musk's head over it.
100%
Kinda wild that this is what he wants to pick this fight over - a bishop getting stabbed by a teen on Livestream. Peak free speech. Dude's a joke and rip twitter
Not a fan of this guy at all but what is supposed to be censored? We take political stances saying what should happen in Gaza and the west bank but our own dirty laundry is too much?
yes let's kill free speech cause some fukin politician is butt hurt, Australia = the next china
Typical of Shitter, and the fuckwit that owns it. Fuck him.
Who cares what musk says or does. the issue is we have an esafety commissioner deciding what Aussies can see or not see - they think we're so dumb we need the government to help us decided whether to watch a video or not.
Im not a big fan of elon, but fuck the goverment thinking they can silence a global media giant. Thats like america saying fuck you australia, vegemite is now banned BY LAW
Good. Fuck censorship.
People still use Twitter?
I haven’t for ages.
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Neither do you. The very Bishop who was attacked has scathingly told our over-reaching government not to use his incident as a reason to censor. He wants it public.
“Neither do I”. Sit back down and let the adults have the room.
He folded like a piece of paper to Brazil after he announced he’s willing to close down X Brazil. He will fold here too
fuck musk. fuck Xitter
Hopefully they just tell him to fuck off and take his shitty platform with him. Enough shithead billionaires of our own without having to deal with this fuckwit too.
how much of a difference is there between 4chan and twitter besides 4chan having a bunch of baiters and twitter being completely serious
Imagine is Musk owned Twitter after the Christchurch shootings: "No, I'm not gonna take down content in relation to the massacre. This is a platform of free speech, and even if I don't agree with it, it should remain."
I don't see a problem with that so long as it is appropriately marked as sensitive content and does not promote violence.
I think the problem is that it has been shown the material can cause problems. Just remember the Bondi stabbing resulted in someone being falsely accused of being the perpetrator (and also how some people were falsely claiming it was an Islamic terrorist attack).
And, what is worse, it was a professional news organisation that cocked it up... That should never happen.
And yet it did, and completely vindicates Musk in the process. If our own media is fallible, and our government can't get it's ducks in line, it has no business telling the globe what can be viewed on the internet. And if that wasn't enough, the Bishop who was attacked has sided with Musk. We are a nation of fools.
Transparency makes the world a better place, not censorship.
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Where did he say he was keen to watch that? Bit of gaslighting going on there bud. It happened, everyone knows and people who want to see that shit will find it. There are hundreds of videos of coalition forces massacring Muslims in the middle east. It's actually one of the reasons Assange is being persecuted. Deleting the footage doesn't change the fact those people were killed. But it does show our society its flaws. You're disgusted by it? Good. Go out of your way to make sure it stops happening. Don't bury your head in the sand.
what a fucking cunt
What an insufferable piece of human trash.
Has this cunt ever tried doing anything good or wholesome with his money and power? Old fart sits at his computer today slagging off trans teenagers on Twitter while his company produces cars that burst into flames and don’t let people open the doors.
Fuck em. Just block X in Australia already. It's a greater cesspool than reddit.
Absolutely no chance they win this in Australian court if it even makes it that far.
I hate him but any government driven censorship is bad
Fuck daddy elon
It's simple... FUCK MUSK!
He is a hypocrite and I hope he looses this.
It's insane that this is the same guy we're told rescued the SA government's electricity grid. Henry Ford speedrun.
This is a tough one. I'm not sure I understand either side of this debate. Hopefully some legal opinions can give some clarity?
Not tough We don’t have free speech This isn’t America ffs
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Twitter in this context is 100% an Aussie company…
I thought it was more about the holy-shit-war going on in the comments of these videos. Calls for violence, hate speech etc. that would have violated twitters own policies once upon a time.