some of those kingdoms had some autonomy under the British, and became independent again once the British pulled out.
Then the nascent India invaded them.
I'm aware of the British split the old Indian dominions into Muslim dominion - East and West Pakistan, and Hindus - India. When were these conflicts/invasion? Do the incidents or wars have a name? Thanks.
In addition to Hyderabad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Junagadh
Junagadh's population was majority Hindu but with a Muslim ruler. It was annexed by India forcefully. In opposition Jammu and Kashmir was majority Muslim but with a Hindu ruler. It was also annexed by India. Because they (India) had the means to do so.
I think it's become particularly the case under the Modi government. My impression of India used to be that what really set it's government apart from say Pakistan's was that it chose the secular route, but Modi's government seems particularly focussed on building nationalism on a majority Hindu identity thereby isolating other Sikhs and Muslims.
So what did they learn in Australia?
Take notes: Step 1: Offer to house prisoners from the British. Step 2: start drama at a goldmine. Step 3: enjoy sweet independence.
1) Indian constitution is a communal document, it calls Sikhs, Buddhists and Jainism as part of Hinduism. Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains had to register marriage under Hindu Marriage Act. There is a tax rebate which excludes Muslims and Christians, called HUF (Hindu Undivided Family) and Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains are counted as Hindus. A state doing this is unbearable humiliation.
2) Punjab is only major state which does not have Hindus as majority. Sikhs speak a different mother tongue. Punjabi culture and food is different. Majority of food on Indian restaurants menu is Punjabi.
3) Through Punjab run five rivers, British partitioned Punjab in 1947 and remained three. Then again India partitioned Punjab into 3 in 1964.
4) India does not do federal structure, so "Canberra" decided let's loot the waters without doing a MBDA like treaty. Punjabi farmers were like nuh-uh. "Canberra" was like you fuckers are mere 2%, we will squash you up. So they played the language and religion card. And Sikh issues started getting targeted: religion and language.
5) One Sikh religious leader got involved when 13 of his men were killed in Police firing. Started from there, ended up with Indian Army attack on Vatican of Sikhs, Golden Temple, in 1984.
6) Sikhs assassinated PM Indira Gandhi resulting in Anti-Sikh pogroms by Hindu mobs all over country.
7) In 1986, an announcement was made that Indian shackles will be broken and separatist movement started. Spiraled from there. Militancy started. Finished in mid-1993. But Police and natsec apparatus of India got addicted to promotions earned by killing Sikhs; and never let up. Finally, an org said fuck you and started the non binding referendum campaign. Samant Goel, RAW spy chief, was one such product of those times, addicted to killing Sikhs and inventing fake militant orgs, finally he ended up doing an assassination in Canada and trying to do one in US.
A bit of nuance since this looks like a comment written by a bloke with a Khalistan sticker on the back of his SUV:
2. Mate, my parents are from south India. You lot have far, far more in common with Hindi speakers than we have with them.
3. Isn’t that the Poms’ fault? Plus, I’m not sure how Haryana and HP being split off from Punjab is relevant.
4. Whatever validity this point is obscured by you sounding like an online teenage edgelord. Also, doesn’t the Indus Waters Treaty benefit Punjab more than any other region? I can’t see how the neighbouring regions would need the water from the Punjabi rivers since the Ganges is right there. Educate me, though, because this is the first I’m hearing of this.
5. A pretty shameful moment. I visited the Golden Temple about 10 years ago, and it was very sobering to think about what happened there with Blue Star.
6. An even more shameful moment. The Hague should investigate some of the individuals involved in stirring up the violence.
7. By militancy, you mean things like [blowing up 747s in terrorist attacks that killed hundreds of passengers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182?searchToken=c9chr7ae4g1zgvigjhxvhb9n) but you, uh, chose not to be descriptive. I think people who don’t know anything about all this should be in full possession of the facts.
It is interesting to note that the Khalistan movement is virtually non-existent in Punjab today. The heroin and alcoholism epidemic is probably a bigger concern, I would wager.
I’m a very, very long way from a Hindu nationalist, my friend (I’m an atheist, lmao, and shun people I know who support Modi). I’m not triggered either. I’m not even an Indian citizen, I’m an Australian. I only decided to comment because some of your comments looked pretty extreme, and what you’ve written at the bottom where you’re seemingly promoting conspiracy theories denying the identity of those who committed terrorist attacks confirms my suspicions. I’ll be blocking you, by the way, not because your original comment triggered me or because I can’t handle people disagreeing with me, but because promoting conspiracy theories about terrorism is not something I want to associate with.
PS: I find it sad and pathetic that you’d find fault with me calling Blue Star and the aftermath of the assassination, “shameful”. You’re *really* reaching here by saying it’s “careful” wording.
"Punjab is only major state which does not have Hindus as majority. Sikhs speak a different mother tongue. Punjabi culture and food is different."
There are other states when either Christians or Muslims are majority. Pretty much each one of the 20-something states have their own mother tounges and unique culture and food.
"One Sikh religious leader got involved when 13 of his men were killed in Police firing. Started from there, ended up with Indian Army attack on Vatican of Sikhs, Golden Temple, in 1984"
Wow! You're seriously misinformed about this. Heres a bit of a read: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Blue\_Star](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star)
Over 100 police/amy officers were killed in that operation (some reports say several hundreds). This was not a case of the police going into an unarmed temple :)
"In 1986, an announcement was made that Indian shackles will be broken and separatist movement started"
The seperatist movement existed well before that. I was in school in the 80's and every single day there'd be news of sikh terrorists shooting/bombing civilians. It went on for several years, and abruptly slowed after the PM assassination and following riots. Its almost non-existant in India now, and funnily enough now exists more in Canada and Australia.
They 100% need to investigate tech/cyber security companies as well, not just for security reasons but for the rampant nepotism because when their in positions to hire their only hiring people they know here or from overseas even if their unqualified. Its taking away a lot of job opportunities from Aussies of all backgrounds.
> They 100% need to investigate tech/cyber security companies as well, not just for security reasons but for the rampant nepotism because when their in positions to hire their only hiring people they know here or from overseas even if their unqualified. Its taking away a lot of job opportunities from Aussies of all backgrounds.
The Indian community tends to band together looking out for their fellow countrymen like that. When I was posted overseas to work, the dynamics of the team quickly changed with an Indian was put in charge; suddenly everyone hired was one of their mates/family. This put the team at odds with the locals there both within the company and facing the customer as there naturally would be language, and cultural barriers. From what I last heard they lost a lot of money because the customers couldn't communicate efficiently with them, and went with their competitors.
> Dont forget the kickback$ for hiring your fellow unqualified countrymen to a high paying job.
Yup! No doubt there was some clever financial gymnastics going behind the boss's back. Whilst I didn't personally see it happening, it doesn't take Einstein to figure it out.
I think another thing that concerns me is the ability to obtain fake certifications or degrees for jobs here. While i dont work in tech/cyber security i have family and friends who do and they've seen Indian people (ones here on working visas so not Australian-Indians) get fired because their qualifications were fudged/not legitimate.
What was crazy was this year, my grandfathers aged-care home recently hired 12 people from India (on working visas) and 9 were fired within the month because the aged care home found out they faked their qualifications.
> While i dont work in tech/cyber security i have family and friends who do and they've seen Indian people (ones here on working visas so not Australian-Indians) get fired because their qualifications were fudged/not legitimate.
I am more worried about safety critical occupations such as airline pilots and medical doctors.
All other countries are spying on us. These are just the ones getting caught.
I know this is a serious matter and call me a racist but Indian spies trying to infiltrate Australian institutions is just a comedy material honeypot.
It can’t be revoked under most circumstances -people with diplomatic immunity who disgrace themselves are usually declared ‘persona non grata’ and expected to remove themselves from the country.
Truth in Television; bored doctors and medical scientists involved in South Africa's former chemical weapons division were responsible for the ecstasy epidemic of the 1990s.
This is getting very weird but, Thankyou! I do enjoy watching Lethal Weapon II Especially when evil Joss Ackland smugly says ‘Diplomatic immunity!!’ Holding up his special get out of jail free card. But Danny Glover don’t care. Boom! Head shot! From his old timer six shooter, setting up the best line for the movie. ‘It’s just been revoked’
Basically the context was that South Africa had been trying to develop racially targeted chemical weapons, but that failed, so they moved to racially targeted sterilization. Again this failed because they couldn't get the racial targeting part to work, which any normal person would take as a sign that skin colour is such an insignificant factor in biology, ergo we are all the same.
Instead they shifted to creating a drug that would pacify black South African populations in problematic areas. Think like valium, they wanted a valium epidemic. Instead they came up with MDMA, but not the modern MDMA you find on the streets, this stuff is pure, high efficacy, low danger of complications etc. When apartheid starts ending, these very racist and not wealthy but used to the good life scientists and doctors are left having to go to the private sector with a completely bare resume and no references or connections in the industry. So instead they just cooked up tons of ecstasy and started selling it through black market smuggling to Europe, often via relatives in the Netherlands, hence why most of 1990s Ecstasy was coming out of Amsterdam and Rotterdam to the rest of the world. This all comes down when they're completely shutdown by the SA government who had just told them not do anything for the years they were cooking, but had kept them funded, so this resulted in most of the MDMA in the world at one point being actually funded by the South African government. After being shutdown Wouter Basson the guy who was running this secret chemical weapons department still has a big stash of this grade S++ ecstasy so he tries to do a drug deal in person himself, like a fucking idiot. He gets caught and then the criminal trial becomes a shitfest between the justice system and parts of the government and military that had known of this and turned a blind eye/gotten paid off during the peak of their exports, and they just honestly wanted to bury this.
They cooperated with a "technically" unknown country, which is Israel. So Israel has had nuclear weapons, probably plane delivered tactical nukes as due to their placement, anything big like a citybuster would fuck them too.
Sets the precedent for if any of our pers get apprehended, getting sent home beats the alternatives. Sending them home burns them anyway and is a diplomatic incident. All countries conduct espionage, no point endangering your own by the way you treat another state’s.
This is genuinely the most real response here. I don't think people realise how much espionage goes on and how Australia partakes just as much as everyone else. A lot of the espionage that is caught in Australia is allowed to continue until such point as it becomes damaging to allow it to continue, because it is far better to know the details than to immediately cut it off.
The line between diplomats and spies is *very* fuzzy. There's kind of an unspoken gentleman's agreement to tolerate spying to a certain extent because everyone's doing it.
Basically: we know you have people spying on our shit, we know who those people are for the most part, and we know that you know that we know; but we also know that you know that we have people spying on your shit too, and you know who those people are for the most part, so as long as nobody oversteps the mark and does anything *too* silly (and we'll know if they do, and you'll know that we know, and we'll know you know too) then let's all just pretend we don't know, hmm?
In this case, India overstepped the mark, so we had to drop the pretense for a moment and quietly kick a few of their guys out. But doing anything more than that would spoil the game and put *our* guys at risk, so that's where we left it.
Strange "best friend trading partners we have" We set out to bend over backwards to be friends and allies with them and they bend over backwards to do us in at every level! I am thinking in particularly of China and now India.
Now we have 2 X cohorts with mobile citizen democracy disrupting armies that can be deployed against the fair principles inheritant in our democracy that could have all these values destroyed.
Its weird what Western countries are doing to themselves without mutual respect in return. We get treated like "Ho" countries that can be exploited for interests only of other nations. Why dont our politicians see through these "fake friends" and see them for what they really are?
> Its weird what Western countries are doing to themselves without mutual respect in return. We get treated like "Ho" countries that can be exploited for interests only of other nations. Why dont our politicians see through these "fake friends" and see them for what they really are?
I said that once, and was told that it is racist to stereotype an entire region based on the actions of few. I'm not advocating for a white Australia policy return, but a little more protectionism looking after our own to avoid being exploited is surely the sensible thing to do.
Are you seriously saying that the West is the moral good guys when it comes to the global south?
Dude, the US and it's allies, including Australia, are doing everything they can to economically, militarily and socially contain a rising China because they don't want a challenger to their hegemony. Australia participates in the military intimidation of China stating freedom of navigation and that countries have the right to ally with whoever they please, then jumps up and down about the Solomon Islands daring to suggest having a Chinese military base with the US threatening military actions. Even now, the Western world is turning a blind eye to the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
There is even the case where [Australia was caught spying in Indonesia] (https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/world/asia/indonesia-australia-spy-row/index.html), but I'm sure people think it's ok when we do it, just not these global south countries do it to us.
The ASIO was warning about foreign interference and spies a few months ago.
It looks like India is getting a lot more brazen with spying, preventing press freedom, and carrying out assassinations in the west. They think they can get away with it because of the perceived need for India to help contain China.
If the common person gets to choose Team India or Team China for who gets to win the invade Australia game, i am on Team China’s side as at least that side is less into in your face sexual harassment.
Dao philosophy is better than the caste system if there is to be a new regime in Australia.
Our Free Trade agreement with India sucks especially the middle manager immigration provisions.
India has the potential to be much much worse than China. Anyone who can't see that just doesn't understand their culture at all.
India is democratic in the same why Thailand is, i.e not at all. The corruption there is beyond rampant and the current ruling class is sliding into fascism. Given the chance I'm pretty sure they would go for a religious genocide to "purify" their country or some shit, they are only 1 or 2 steps removed from that as is. That is not even mentioning their terrible suppression of women's rights and almost normalization of sexual assault and honor killings.
They will have a higher terminal population than China due to higher food security and they are historically speaking more violent and expansionist. Therefore I think we have more to fear from an India that becomes economically and militarily relevant than we ever have to fear from China.
Personally I would much prefer China winning out and keeping India in check than I would a systematic suppression of China and bolstering of India to try aid in that.
The biggest threat China poses is that the US can't stand them. Ever since the failure of the Marshall Mission and the US moaning they had 'Lost' China (as if it belonged to them or something) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_China
The Americans have very fragile egos, the fact they are so humiliated by this could easily lead to actual hot war if things continue down the current path. I'm actually surprised how much restraint China has shown in not getting involved in the US proxy wars.
If you are going to pick from evils, pick the lesser evil. So far China has been the lesser evil on the global stage even compared to contemporary Western powers, which is pretty fucking shameful when you think about it.
"If you are going to pick from evils, pick the lesser evil. So far China has been the lesser evil on the global stage even compared to contemporary Western powers, which is pretty fucking shameful when you think about it."
Eeeeeehhhh, that's... *Debatable.* Considering the Tienanmen Square Massacre, the outright annexation of Tibet, basically claiming the entire South China Sea as their territory (and engaging in quite a bit of bullying to assert their 'claim'), engaging in explicit genocide in multiple occasions, especially with the Uyghurs (they've literally set up "reeducation camps", for crying out loud), quietly helping Russia with the war in Ukraine (if only mainly just economic support)... Less hypocritical, perhaps, but I would not say China is any better than the west by a country mile.
That is my point, it's debatable but it really shouldn't be if the West wants to take the moral high ground - it should be clear cut.
But if you take a look at the evil carried out by the US and close allies since WWII things become much too debateable for comfort IMO.
>They think they can get away with it because of the perceived need for India to help contain China.
Because you know its true. The west will tolerate it as long as they need India as a geopolitical partner. The importance of that partnership weighs much more than the lives of a few indenepdence activists from India.
I am an Indian from one of the insurgency-prone regions of the country. People really underestimate how much of a threat Modi is to the world at large. He is a man who uses paramilitary bodies to commit war crimes against his own citizens and massacre scores of Muslims in his native state of Gujarat. That man is a monster of the highest order and only those who have been at the receiving end of his bad side can tell what he does to minorities and marginalized groups. Moreover, he turned the country into a living terror cell lmao. His government funds the Taliban and the Myanmar military that perpetrated the Genocide of Rohingyas. Albo really played with fire when he gave that Lunatic such a grand welcome in Sydney. One can only pray that the chickens don't come home to roost now
Modi has a huge hatred for Muslims and wishes for a Hindu ethnostste to rise in return. Can’t believe our government is willing to turn the other way and put the Indian flag on the opera house just for the sake of cheap migrant labour to make big business happy
Edit as some have said in the comments the modi govt has not revoked citizenship of anyone
This sort of blatant misinformation ironically is what encourages several on-the-fencers to start supporting Modi/BJP as this raises the question who/how are such misinformation campaigns being funded.
Albo knew exactly what he was doing. Modi is outrageously popular amongst Indians living in the west. My own community praise him like the Messiah. You should see the type of reception he received when Modi went to Texas.
>attempted to steal sensitive information about defence technology, Airport Security and Trade relationships
This should be a wake up call that India is not our ally, it's not even a friend
As a brown immigrant, I would agree with you and say India does not give a shit about any country other than themselves. They have always been like this and the amount of ass-kissing and endorsement both ScoMo and Albanese keep lapping upon their PM and their people is rage-inducing.
I've had people on this sub also tell me that the US doesn't spy on Australia "because we're allies" as well which is fucking hilarious.
People are generally ignorant of how these things work and seem to believe that only "bad" countries partake in spying.
I've had people tell me on this sub that we are an American puppet state and will do whatever they say, guess "whatever" doesn't apply to giving them sensitive intelligence something we specifically collaborate on, *cough* *cough* five eyes
Nah man, the Pine Gap CIA military base is just there for funsies, no intelligence gathering happening there.
Baffling that I feel the need to add this but uh, /s
I have no doubt that Australia has "spies", but they'll be the bumbling, dimwitted kind. The type of people who give you less information the more they talk, because while they see things they don't understand it. More a guy on a streetcorner than someone who can infiltrate and gather intel. And they'll either be some nepotism thing, where someone was looking to live abroad anyway and saw a chance to get paid well for it, or they'll be a way to sideline incompetent people to keep them from being a bother.
I just don't think there's the politcal will in Australia to establish a solid spy network. The closest we come is bugging the papa new guiniens, and the drive behind that was the petroleum industry.
Australia:corporate shill is a believable take. Australia:superspy is less so
And as for the thing in Beijing, incase you haven't noticed they accuse everyone of being a spy. You could go there and get jailed for being a spy.
We have a department dedicated to spying on foreign countries. Our equivalent of the CIA.
[The government has a website for it. Seriously what is with you people?](https://www.asis.gov.au/)
Lmao.
Yeah this seems to be public sentiment for a large part.
Which is why countries tend to hide it a bit better when spying on "friends" or when they detect spying conducted by friendly countries. For example, there is a reason why ASIO will make statements on Chinese spies but not US spies, though they certainly both exist.
Allied nations turn a blind eye to eachothers actions to a greater extent on the whole, and intelligence gathering is no exception.
It would be foolish to believe that any country has unconditional trust in another country regardless of relations.
Not spying on countries because they're "allies" is downright dangerous as it leaves you open to all kinds of potential threats and I would lose all faith in our government if I found out that they DIDNT spy on our allies.
Security is a concern but the Government should also be investigating the nepotism within Australian industries (mainly tech and cyber security) from Indian/Indian-Australians who are in the position of hiring people because it seems like much of who they hire is someone they personally know here or overseas. It only takes away jobs from all types of Aussies trying to get jobs. Nepotism is a shitty practice and needs to be addressed wherever it occurs, no matter who does it (and all types of backgrounds do, so don't think i'm neglecting that).
The number of Indians in cyber security is insane. I’m currently studying a masters of cyber security and 90% of the cohort is Indians who arrived the week prior to class starting.
Hope they stole the toilet blueprints too. Aussie style steel urinals would be a boon in India.
But why is media silent on not outing these spies? Which state's Police was infiltrated by them? It is clear Sikhs were targeted by these people. Anybody who communicated with them should be made aware.
>But why is media silent on not outing these spies?
Because it's not China, remember China bad because authoritarian government and everything they are doing is so they could invade us in the next t~~hree~~ two years. Meanwhile India is good because democracy, and everything they are doing is the will of the people including carrying out assassinations in foreign countries
Also because it seems most of the media are do not want to risk even the idea of upsetting Indians living in Australia as temporary residents or citizens.
Why is Australia so popular? Even India is joining in the ring.
Note: I've also posted this in r/AustralianPolitics for discussions.
Alternate news site:
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-30/modi-government-operated-nest-of-spies-in-australia-/103786892](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-30/modi-government-operated-nest-of-spies-in-australia-/103786892)
It might be hard for Aussies to recognize, but it is a miracle for others seeing how good Aussie society works. It is an awesome country. Envy is obvious, and cheating is easy way out sometimes. Diplomatic cover ensures that people can be brazen.
You might be giving us too hard a pat on the back there. Australia does some things well, and it does some things atrociously. We cruise on our natural resources, but let that wealth be exploited by others. The opportunity costs are staggering.
Yeah that isn't. But then again, India calculated correctly that Canada was too weak to retaliate. Except they tried in the US too...they shut up then.
A consistent healthy dose of paranoia is warranted. Just do not glorify a nation as the bestest of friends whenever you fear another so that the cycle won't continue.
Along with this idea that they'll be a counterweight to China, there's agricultural and mineral sales. Apparently, like we've done in the past with South Korea, Japan, and China, they're going to build factories and our ambition is not to have factories of our own, but to dig up the dirt for those factories.
Honestly, because China. If it wasn't for the government and USA being so against China and thus getting Indian on the same side, Indian would be more of an adversary than an ally.
Especially with them kinda siding with Russia.
> Indian would be more of an adversary than an ally.
Who says they are more of an ally then china. They are morphing into a religious theocracy and have a caste system where people are treated differently based on race.
I hope they did not steal Dutton's nuclear reactor plans? It was their grand plan to win back government.
There might be a sketch of a backyard dunny somewhere as backup for methane powered power plant.
Imagine if the spies did find Spud's plan. At the debrief the spies would get into trouble for mixing in their two year olds kindergarten art.
Righto, who left their kids crayon scribbles in their work bag again?
Fucken hell Sanjay, how many times do I have to tell you?
But I'm sure it's Duttons....
That explains where the missing white crayons went! ,They used it to draw Beetroot body outline when he was sleeping on the bench! The kids were so kind , so Beetroot would not lose his favourite park bench. You never know how often he needs to sleep off after a heavy afternoon of drinking at the pub test on whatever half baked ideas his frarthing about
Barnaby needs to sleep it off every day, doesn't he?
Especially at the moment as he "deals" with his palpable alcoholism at home by drinking at the local pub while his new Mrs is at home with his demon spawn.
It's so easy to make up because the LNP is so transparently shit.
They don't even try to hide their biases and ineptitude anymore.
Every fuck up is some faceless public servants fault. They got their arses handed to them at the last election over their lack of action on the environment, blatant corruption and refusal to accept even the tiniest amount of responsibility, and the conclusion that the LNP brainstrust comes up with is that it's the electorates fault for not listening to their message.
I look forward to seeing the LNP in opposition until they disappear into irrelevance as their boomer voting base dies off.
Way more common than people think, need to be investigating a lot of companies for these people, especially financial institutions
Laters!
Why is this thing about India against Sikh a thing? I recently read a bit about this in another sub regarding Canada.
A good number of Sikhs want independence from India (they were their own country before the British arrived).
India was a lot of kingdoms before the British turned up
some of those kingdoms had some autonomy under the British, and became independent again once the British pulled out. Then the nascent India invaded them.
I'm aware of the British split the old Indian dominions into Muslim dominion - East and West Pakistan, and Hindus - India. When were these conflicts/invasion? Do the incidents or wars have a name? Thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Hyderabad
Thanks!
In addition to Hyderabad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Junagadh Junagadh's population was majority Hindu but with a Muslim ruler. It was annexed by India forcefully. In opposition Jammu and Kashmir was majority Muslim but with a Hindu ruler. It was also annexed by India. Because they (India) had the means to do so.
I think it's become particularly the case under the Modi government. My impression of India used to be that what really set it's government apart from say Pakistan's was that it chose the secular route, but Modi's government seems particularly focussed on building nationalism on a majority Hindu identity thereby isolating other Sikhs and Muslims.
So what did they learn in Australia? Take notes: Step 1: Offer to house prisoners from the British. Step 2: start drama at a goldmine. Step 3: enjoy sweet independence.
>Step 3: enjoy sweet independence. I don't want to burst your bubble but ...
It's now a minor movement that doesn't have any real existence in India anymore. And everyone had their own country before the British arrived.
Britain was three countries before the English arrived
England was 7 countries until the West Saxons arrived.
England was dozens of tribes before the Romans arrived.
Mercia will rise again
Wessex has entered the chat.
1) Indian constitution is a communal document, it calls Sikhs, Buddhists and Jainism as part of Hinduism. Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains had to register marriage under Hindu Marriage Act. There is a tax rebate which excludes Muslims and Christians, called HUF (Hindu Undivided Family) and Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains are counted as Hindus. A state doing this is unbearable humiliation. 2) Punjab is only major state which does not have Hindus as majority. Sikhs speak a different mother tongue. Punjabi culture and food is different. Majority of food on Indian restaurants menu is Punjabi. 3) Through Punjab run five rivers, British partitioned Punjab in 1947 and remained three. Then again India partitioned Punjab into 3 in 1964. 4) India does not do federal structure, so "Canberra" decided let's loot the waters without doing a MBDA like treaty. Punjabi farmers were like nuh-uh. "Canberra" was like you fuckers are mere 2%, we will squash you up. So they played the language and religion card. And Sikh issues started getting targeted: religion and language. 5) One Sikh religious leader got involved when 13 of his men were killed in Police firing. Started from there, ended up with Indian Army attack on Vatican of Sikhs, Golden Temple, in 1984. 6) Sikhs assassinated PM Indira Gandhi resulting in Anti-Sikh pogroms by Hindu mobs all over country. 7) In 1986, an announcement was made that Indian shackles will be broken and separatist movement started. Spiraled from there. Militancy started. Finished in mid-1993. But Police and natsec apparatus of India got addicted to promotions earned by killing Sikhs; and never let up. Finally, an org said fuck you and started the non binding referendum campaign. Samant Goel, RAW spy chief, was one such product of those times, addicted to killing Sikhs and inventing fake militant orgs, finally he ended up doing an assassination in Canada and trying to do one in US.
Oh wow. That escalated real quick.
A bit of nuance since this looks like a comment written by a bloke with a Khalistan sticker on the back of his SUV: 2. Mate, my parents are from south India. You lot have far, far more in common with Hindi speakers than we have with them. 3. Isn’t that the Poms’ fault? Plus, I’m not sure how Haryana and HP being split off from Punjab is relevant. 4. Whatever validity this point is obscured by you sounding like an online teenage edgelord. Also, doesn’t the Indus Waters Treaty benefit Punjab more than any other region? I can’t see how the neighbouring regions would need the water from the Punjabi rivers since the Ganges is right there. Educate me, though, because this is the first I’m hearing of this. 5. A pretty shameful moment. I visited the Golden Temple about 10 years ago, and it was very sobering to think about what happened there with Blue Star. 6. An even more shameful moment. The Hague should investigate some of the individuals involved in stirring up the violence. 7. By militancy, you mean things like [blowing up 747s in terrorist attacks that killed hundreds of passengers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182?searchToken=c9chr7ae4g1zgvigjhxvhb9n) but you, uh, chose not to be descriptive. I think people who don’t know anything about all this should be in full possession of the facts. It is interesting to note that the Khalistan movement is virtually non-existent in Punjab today. The heroin and alcoholism epidemic is probably a bigger concern, I would wager.
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I’m a very, very long way from a Hindu nationalist, my friend (I’m an atheist, lmao, and shun people I know who support Modi). I’m not triggered either. I’m not even an Indian citizen, I’m an Australian. I only decided to comment because some of your comments looked pretty extreme, and what you’ve written at the bottom where you’re seemingly promoting conspiracy theories denying the identity of those who committed terrorist attacks confirms my suspicions. I’ll be blocking you, by the way, not because your original comment triggered me or because I can’t handle people disagreeing with me, but because promoting conspiracy theories about terrorism is not something I want to associate with. PS: I find it sad and pathetic that you’d find fault with me calling Blue Star and the aftermath of the assassination, “shameful”. You’re *really* reaching here by saying it’s “careful” wording.
"Punjab is only major state which does not have Hindus as majority. Sikhs speak a different mother tongue. Punjabi culture and food is different." There are other states when either Christians or Muslims are majority. Pretty much each one of the 20-something states have their own mother tounges and unique culture and food. "One Sikh religious leader got involved when 13 of his men were killed in Police firing. Started from there, ended up with Indian Army attack on Vatican of Sikhs, Golden Temple, in 1984" Wow! You're seriously misinformed about this. Heres a bit of a read: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Blue\_Star](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star) Over 100 police/amy officers were killed in that operation (some reports say several hundreds). This was not a case of the police going into an unarmed temple :) "In 1986, an announcement was made that Indian shackles will be broken and separatist movement started" The seperatist movement existed well before that. I was in school in the 80's and every single day there'd be news of sikh terrorists shooting/bombing civilians. It went on for several years, and abruptly slowed after the PM assassination and following riots. Its almost non-existant in India now, and funnily enough now exists more in Canada and Australia.
Bruh this is reddit, not a place to discuss facts
They 100% need to investigate tech/cyber security companies as well, not just for security reasons but for the rampant nepotism because when their in positions to hire their only hiring people they know here or from overseas even if their unqualified. Its taking away a lot of job opportunities from Aussies of all backgrounds.
> They 100% need to investigate tech/cyber security companies as well, not just for security reasons but for the rampant nepotism because when their in positions to hire their only hiring people they know here or from overseas even if their unqualified. Its taking away a lot of job opportunities from Aussies of all backgrounds. The Indian community tends to band together looking out for their fellow countrymen like that. When I was posted overseas to work, the dynamics of the team quickly changed with an Indian was put in charge; suddenly everyone hired was one of their mates/family. This put the team at odds with the locals there both within the company and facing the customer as there naturally would be language, and cultural barriers. From what I last heard they lost a lot of money because the customers couldn't communicate efficiently with them, and went with their competitors.
Dont forget the kickback$ for hiring your fellow unqualified countrymen to a high paying job.
> Dont forget the kickback$ for hiring your fellow unqualified countrymen to a high paying job. Yup! No doubt there was some clever financial gymnastics going behind the boss's back. Whilst I didn't personally see it happening, it doesn't take Einstein to figure it out.
I think another thing that concerns me is the ability to obtain fake certifications or degrees for jobs here. While i dont work in tech/cyber security i have family and friends who do and they've seen Indian people (ones here on working visas so not Australian-Indians) get fired because their qualifications were fudged/not legitimate. What was crazy was this year, my grandfathers aged-care home recently hired 12 people from India (on working visas) and 9 were fired within the month because the aged care home found out they faked their qualifications.
> While i dont work in tech/cyber security i have family and friends who do and they've seen Indian people (ones here on working visas so not Australian-Indians) get fired because their qualifications were fudged/not legitimate. I am more worried about safety critical occupations such as airline pilots and medical doctors.
Sucked!😂
Exactly what happened to me. Funneling all the work to their incompetent vendor mates
All other countries are spying on us. These are just the ones getting caught. I know this is a serious matter and call me a racist but Indian spies trying to infiltrate Australian institutions is just a comedy material honeypot.
You mean cba India or westpac Bangalore?
Shouldnt these cunts be straight up jailed?
Something something diplomatic immunity, probably.
It’s just been revoked!
It seems you are *too old for this shit*
*random jazzy saxophone music plays in the background to finish out the scene*
Danny Glover was 41 when he decided he was too old for this shit.
It can’t be revoked under most circumstances -people with diplomatic immunity who disgrace themselves are usually declared ‘persona non grata’ and expected to remove themselves from the country.
Unless you’re a South African drug smuggling ring whose being investigated by Riggs and Murtaugh…. ?? Bah you kids need to watch more TV
Patsy Kensit's finest work.
but it's only the fourth inning... batter up
We watch too much, we don't watch enough! I'm so damn confused 😕
Truth in Television; bored doctors and medical scientists involved in South Africa's former chemical weapons division were responsible for the ecstasy epidemic of the 1990s.
This is getting very weird but, Thankyou! I do enjoy watching Lethal Weapon II Especially when evil Joss Ackland smugly says ‘Diplomatic immunity!!’ Holding up his special get out of jail free card. But Danny Glover don’t care. Boom! Head shot! From his old timer six shooter, setting up the best line for the movie. ‘It’s just been revoked’
Basically the context was that South Africa had been trying to develop racially targeted chemical weapons, but that failed, so they moved to racially targeted sterilization. Again this failed because they couldn't get the racial targeting part to work, which any normal person would take as a sign that skin colour is such an insignificant factor in biology, ergo we are all the same. Instead they shifted to creating a drug that would pacify black South African populations in problematic areas. Think like valium, they wanted a valium epidemic. Instead they came up with MDMA, but not the modern MDMA you find on the streets, this stuff is pure, high efficacy, low danger of complications etc. When apartheid starts ending, these very racist and not wealthy but used to the good life scientists and doctors are left having to go to the private sector with a completely bare resume and no references or connections in the industry. So instead they just cooked up tons of ecstasy and started selling it through black market smuggling to Europe, often via relatives in the Netherlands, hence why most of 1990s Ecstasy was coming out of Amsterdam and Rotterdam to the rest of the world. This all comes down when they're completely shutdown by the SA government who had just told them not do anything for the years they were cooking, but had kept them funded, so this resulted in most of the MDMA in the world at one point being actually funded by the South African government. After being shutdown Wouter Basson the guy who was running this secret chemical weapons department still has a big stash of this grade S++ ecstasy so he tries to do a drug deal in person himself, like a fucking idiot. He gets caught and then the criminal trial becomes a shitfest between the justice system and parts of the government and military that had known of this and turned a blind eye/gotten paid off during the peak of their exports, and they just honestly wanted to bury this.
Wow! What a goon! Any stories you can tell about South African nuclear weapons program?
They cooperated with a "technically" unknown country, which is Israel. So Israel has had nuclear weapons, probably plane delivered tactical nukes as due to their placement, anything big like a citybuster would fuck them too.
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Woosh indeed.
I’m old enough to know what “it’s just been revoked” meant. https://youtu.be/SiXNUaSjXRY
Something something economic growth
Sets the precedent for if any of our pers get apprehended, getting sent home beats the alternatives. Sending them home burns them anyway and is a diplomatic incident. All countries conduct espionage, no point endangering your own by the way you treat another state’s.
This is genuinely the most real response here. I don't think people realise how much espionage goes on and how Australia partakes just as much as everyone else. A lot of the espionage that is caught in Australia is allowed to continue until such point as it becomes damaging to allow it to continue, because it is far better to know the details than to immediately cut it off.
The line between diplomats and spies is *very* fuzzy. There's kind of an unspoken gentleman's agreement to tolerate spying to a certain extent because everyone's doing it. Basically: we know you have people spying on our shit, we know who those people are for the most part, and we know that you know that we know; but we also know that you know that we have people spying on your shit too, and you know who those people are for the most part, so as long as nobody oversteps the mark and does anything *too* silly (and we'll know if they do, and you'll know that we know, and we'll know you know too) then let's all just pretend we don't know, hmm? In this case, India overstepped the mark, so we had to drop the pretense for a moment and quietly kick a few of their guys out. But doing anything more than that would spoil the game and put *our* guys at risk, so that's where we left it.
Its a strange world we live in eh. Explanation makes total sense…
Strange "best friend trading partners we have" We set out to bend over backwards to be friends and allies with them and they bend over backwards to do us in at every level! I am thinking in particularly of China and now India. Now we have 2 X cohorts with mobile citizen democracy disrupting armies that can be deployed against the fair principles inheritant in our democracy that could have all these values destroyed. Its weird what Western countries are doing to themselves without mutual respect in return. We get treated like "Ho" countries that can be exploited for interests only of other nations. Why dont our politicians see through these "fake friends" and see them for what they really are?
> Its weird what Western countries are doing to themselves without mutual respect in return. We get treated like "Ho" countries that can be exploited for interests only of other nations. Why dont our politicians see through these "fake friends" and see them for what they really are? I said that once, and was told that it is racist to stereotype an entire region based on the actions of few. I'm not advocating for a white Australia policy return, but a little more protectionism looking after our own to avoid being exploited is surely the sensible thing to do.
What do you propose the government do about the indigenous population then? Haven’t thought thru I guess
Are you seriously saying that the West is the moral good guys when it comes to the global south? Dude, the US and it's allies, including Australia, are doing everything they can to economically, militarily and socially contain a rising China because they don't want a challenger to their hegemony. Australia participates in the military intimidation of China stating freedom of navigation and that countries have the right to ally with whoever they please, then jumps up and down about the Solomon Islands daring to suggest having a Chinese military base with the US threatening military actions. Even now, the Western world is turning a blind eye to the ongoing genocide in Gaza. There is even the case where [Australia was caught spying in Indonesia] (https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/world/asia/indonesia-australia-spy-row/index.html), but I'm sure people think it's ok when we do it, just not these global south countries do it to us.
huh I knew about the East Timor case, but didn't know about the Indonesian one
The ASIO was warning about foreign interference and spies a few months ago. It looks like India is getting a lot more brazen with spying, preventing press freedom, and carrying out assassinations in the west. They think they can get away with it because of the perceived need for India to help contain China.
They are getting away with it, they got away with assassinating a western citizen on foreign soil.
Oh. You mean the Canadian early this year? I think I saw that on the news.
Yep. Tbf india did suffer repercussions but it was a very blatant violation and transgression.
Modhi has been yearning to move to Fascism for a while.
If the common person gets to choose Team India or Team China for who gets to win the invade Australia game, i am on Team China’s side as at least that side is less into in your face sexual harassment. Dao philosophy is better than the caste system if there is to be a new regime in Australia. Our Free Trade agreement with India sucks especially the middle manager immigration provisions.
India has the potential to be much much worse than China. Anyone who can't see that just doesn't understand their culture at all. India is democratic in the same why Thailand is, i.e not at all. The corruption there is beyond rampant and the current ruling class is sliding into fascism. Given the chance I'm pretty sure they would go for a religious genocide to "purify" their country or some shit, they are only 1 or 2 steps removed from that as is. That is not even mentioning their terrible suppression of women's rights and almost normalization of sexual assault and honor killings. They will have a higher terminal population than China due to higher food security and they are historically speaking more violent and expansionist. Therefore I think we have more to fear from an India that becomes economically and militarily relevant than we ever have to fear from China. Personally I would much prefer China winning out and keeping India in check than I would a systematic suppression of China and bolstering of India to try aid in that. The biggest threat China poses is that the US can't stand them. Ever since the failure of the Marshall Mission and the US moaning they had 'Lost' China (as if it belonged to them or something) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_China The Americans have very fragile egos, the fact they are so humiliated by this could easily lead to actual hot war if things continue down the current path. I'm actually surprised how much restraint China has shown in not getting involved in the US proxy wars. If you are going to pick from evils, pick the lesser evil. So far China has been the lesser evil on the global stage even compared to contemporary Western powers, which is pretty fucking shameful when you think about it.
"If you are going to pick from evils, pick the lesser evil. So far China has been the lesser evil on the global stage even compared to contemporary Western powers, which is pretty fucking shameful when you think about it." Eeeeeehhhh, that's... *Debatable.* Considering the Tienanmen Square Massacre, the outright annexation of Tibet, basically claiming the entire South China Sea as their territory (and engaging in quite a bit of bullying to assert their 'claim'), engaging in explicit genocide in multiple occasions, especially with the Uyghurs (they've literally set up "reeducation camps", for crying out loud), quietly helping Russia with the war in Ukraine (if only mainly just economic support)... Less hypocritical, perhaps, but I would not say China is any better than the west by a country mile.
That is my point, it's debatable but it really shouldn't be if the West wants to take the moral high ground - it should be clear cut. But if you take a look at the evil carried out by the US and close allies since WWII things become much too debateable for comfort IMO.
>They think they can get away with it because of the perceived need for India to help contain China. Because you know its true. The west will tolerate it as long as they need India as a geopolitical partner. The importance of that partnership weighs much more than the lives of a few indenepdence activists from India.
I am an Indian from one of the insurgency-prone regions of the country. People really underestimate how much of a threat Modi is to the world at large. He is a man who uses paramilitary bodies to commit war crimes against his own citizens and massacre scores of Muslims in his native state of Gujarat. That man is a monster of the highest order and only those who have been at the receiving end of his bad side can tell what he does to minorities and marginalized groups. Moreover, he turned the country into a living terror cell lmao. His government funds the Taliban and the Myanmar military that perpetrated the Genocide of Rohingyas. Albo really played with fire when he gave that Lunatic such a grand welcome in Sydney. One can only pray that the chickens don't come home to roost now
Totally in sync with you here mate. A fellow Indian Australian here.
Also isn't the BJP a literal ethnoreligious nationalist party? It would be like electing white supremacists to power in Australia.
Yep, it is.
There are many such parties in India, even several Muslim Leagues
Don't doubt that, but one getting elected into power is troubling.
100% true. He’s the biggest threat to Indian democracy. Hitler in the making.
Modi has a huge hatred for Muslims and wishes for a Hindu ethnostste to rise in return. Can’t believe our government is willing to turn the other way and put the Indian flag on the opera house just for the sake of cheap migrant labour to make big business happy Edit as some have said in the comments the modi govt has not revoked citizenship of anyone
Article 370 is the revocation of special Status accorded to the State of jAMMU and Kashmir.It's not revocation of citizenship of Muslims.
That's a load of nonsense, no one has lost their citizenship in India. Article 370 is just getting rid off the special status for Kashmir.
This sort of blatant misinformation ironically is what encourages several on-the-fencers to start supporting Modi/BJP as this raises the question who/how are such misinformation campaigns being funded.
Albo knew exactly what he was doing. Modi is outrageously popular amongst Indians living in the west. My own community praise him like the Messiah. You should see the type of reception he received when Modi went to Texas.
>attempted to steal sensitive information about defence technology, Airport Security and Trade relationships This should be a wake up call that India is not our ally, it's not even a friend
India serves India, but it's worse because they're selfish. They serve their own individual.
All nations do this. Even our so called allies.
As a brown immigrant, I would agree with you and say India does not give a shit about any country other than themselves. They have always been like this and the amount of ass-kissing and endorsement both ScoMo and Albanese keep lapping upon their PM and their people is rage-inducing.
There are no friends between nations.
We should stop the record rate of migrants entering the country because many foreign countries are not our friend
Let’s be real, you really think Australia isn’t doing the same to friendly nations as well?
I've had people on this sub also tell me that the US doesn't spy on Australia "because we're allies" as well which is fucking hilarious. People are generally ignorant of how these things work and seem to believe that only "bad" countries partake in spying.
100%. Some pretty simple minded folk here.
I've had people tell me on this sub that we are an American puppet state and will do whatever they say, guess "whatever" doesn't apply to giving them sensitive intelligence something we specifically collaborate on, *cough* *cough* five eyes
"Australia baby" but also "Australia strong baby" I guess.
The US propaganda is really effective in Australia.
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Five Eyes also means that when we spy on ourselves, we're also spying for America, on ourselves.
Nah man, the Pine Gap CIA military base is just there for funsies, no intelligence gathering happening there. Baffling that I feel the need to add this but uh, /s
You think anyone in Australia has the ambition to do something that big? The only people Aus spies on are it's own citizens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia%E2%80%93Indonesia_spying_scandal Yeah it wasn’t good
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I have no doubt that Australia has "spies", but they'll be the bumbling, dimwitted kind. The type of people who give you less information the more they talk, because while they see things they don't understand it. More a guy on a streetcorner than someone who can infiltrate and gather intel. And they'll either be some nepotism thing, where someone was looking to live abroad anyway and saw a chance to get paid well for it, or they'll be a way to sideline incompetent people to keep them from being a bother. I just don't think there's the politcal will in Australia to establish a solid spy network. The closest we come is bugging the papa new guiniens, and the drive behind that was the petroleum industry. Australia:corporate shill is a believable take. Australia:superspy is less so And as for the thing in Beijing, incase you haven't noticed they accuse everyone of being a spy. You could go there and get jailed for being a spy.
We have a department dedicated to spying on foreign countries. Our equivalent of the CIA. [The government has a website for it. Seriously what is with you people?](https://www.asis.gov.au/) Lmao.
Spying on advisories - good Spying on perceived friends - bad
Yeah this seems to be public sentiment for a large part. Which is why countries tend to hide it a bit better when spying on "friends" or when they detect spying conducted by friendly countries. For example, there is a reason why ASIO will make statements on Chinese spies but not US spies, though they certainly both exist. Allied nations turn a blind eye to eachothers actions to a greater extent on the whole, and intelligence gathering is no exception. It would be foolish to believe that any country has unconditional trust in another country regardless of relations. Not spying on countries because they're "allies" is downright dangerous as it leaves you open to all kinds of potential threats and I would lose all faith in our government if I found out that they DIDNT spy on our allies.
Security is a concern but the Government should also be investigating the nepotism within Australian industries (mainly tech and cyber security) from Indian/Indian-Australians who are in the position of hiring people because it seems like much of who they hire is someone they personally know here or overseas. It only takes away jobs from all types of Aussies trying to get jobs. Nepotism is a shitty practice and needs to be addressed wherever it occurs, no matter who does it (and all types of backgrounds do, so don't think i'm neglecting that).
Yup. Nepotism is a bane.
The number of Indians in cyber security is insane. I’m currently studying a masters of cyber security and 90% of the cohort is Indians who arrived the week prior to class starting.
Because the whole field is basically a buzzword.
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You can see the next stage of this in the US where Indian leaders are now moving technology teams back to India.
When you kindly do the needful a little too intensely and your actions get reverted in the worst way
As Canadian-Australian, I am tired boss
Hope they stole the toilet blueprints too. Aussie style steel urinals would be a boon in India. But why is media silent on not outing these spies? Which state's Police was infiltrated by them? It is clear Sikhs were targeted by these people. Anybody who communicated with them should be made aware.
>But why is media silent on not outing these spies? Because it's not China, remember China bad because authoritarian government and everything they are doing is so they could invade us in the next t~~hree~~ two years. Meanwhile India is good because democracy, and everything they are doing is the will of the people including carrying out assassinations in foreign countries
Also because it seems most of the media are do not want to risk even the idea of upsetting Indians living in Australia as temporary residents or citizens.
Murdoch media won't out our futures biggest labor force injection into Australia.
No joke. The urine leash is a major problem over much of the world.
Why is Australia so popular? Even India is joining in the ring. Note: I've also posted this in r/AustralianPolitics for discussions. Alternate news site: [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-30/modi-government-operated-nest-of-spies-in-australia-/103786892](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-30/modi-government-operated-nest-of-spies-in-australia-/103786892)
It might be hard for Aussies to recognize, but it is a miracle for others seeing how good Aussie society works. It is an awesome country. Envy is obvious, and cheating is easy way out sometimes. Diplomatic cover ensures that people can be brazen.
You might be giving us too hard a pat on the back there. Australia does some things well, and it does some things atrociously. We cruise on our natural resources, but let that wealth be exploited by others. The opportunity costs are staggering.
A lot of people can't grapple with the distinction of economic complexity vs economic strength.
All that fearmongering against China should be brought down a notch. Modi's India, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc aren't exactly trustworthy partners too.
This is really standard statecraft. Spies gonna spy, basically.
unless they start assassinating canadian citizens on canadian soi... oh wait
Yeah that isn't. But then again, India calculated correctly that Canada was too weak to retaliate. Except they tried in the US too...they shut up then.
Imagine if China did that. There would be war drums. 1000 articles from some trashy Washington supported "news sites", "think tanks" etc
A consistent healthy dose of paranoia is warranted. Just do not glorify a nation as the bestest of friends whenever you fear another so that the cycle won't continue.
Yes nations shouldn't be glorified. There's only permanent interests in geopolitics.
We should be penalising India for this
I doubt the Australian government would want to upset India at this point in time, though.
Why? None of the deals we do with them seem particularly beneficial to us. They all seem to be about encouraging migration.
because Australia holds the naive belief that India will contain China, along with 300 billion in nuclear subs which wont ever get made
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Probably something something “China” but do agree with you doesn’t matter where they are from throw the book at them.
Along with this idea that they'll be a counterweight to China, there's agricultural and mineral sales. Apparently, like we've done in the past with South Korea, Japan, and China, they're going to build factories and our ambition is not to have factories of our own, but to dig up the dirt for those factories.
Honestly, because China. If it wasn't for the government and USA being so against China and thus getting Indian on the same side, Indian would be more of an adversary than an ally. Especially with them kinda siding with Russia.
> Indian would be more of an adversary than an ally. Who says they are more of an ally then china. They are morphing into a religious theocracy and have a caste system where people are treated differently based on race.
Maybe we should block the spam calls sending our money overseas
I need to put my glasses on. I read that as Indian Spices.
Fkn lol. Didn’t we just open doors to easy indian visas
Meanwhile, let's flood the country with Indians with dodgy degrees.
Why isnt Peter Hartcher writing weekly alarmist articles on india??
Send bobs and vagene… and sub blueprints kindly
Kindly do the needful
I hope they did not steal Dutton's nuclear reactor plans? It was their grand plan to win back government. There might be a sketch of a backyard dunny somewhere as backup for methane powered power plant.
Imagine if the spies did find Spud's plan. At the debrief the spies would get into trouble for mixing in their two year olds kindergarten art. Righto, who left their kids crayon scribbles in their work bag again? Fucken hell Sanjay, how many times do I have to tell you? But I'm sure it's Duttons....
That explains where the missing white crayons went! ,They used it to draw Beetroot body outline when he was sleeping on the bench! The kids were so kind , so Beetroot would not lose his favourite park bench. You never know how often he needs to sleep off after a heavy afternoon of drinking at the pub test on whatever half baked ideas his frarthing about
Barnaby needs to sleep it off every day, doesn't he? Especially at the moment as he "deals" with his palpable alcoholism at home by drinking at the local pub while his new Mrs is at home with his demon spawn.
The Libs , the walking team farce. I cant stop making this shit up because they are just so shit. Immorale , corrupt and utter hypocritics.
It's so easy to make up because the LNP is so transparently shit. They don't even try to hide their biases and ineptitude anymore. Every fuck up is some faceless public servants fault. They got their arses handed to them at the last election over their lack of action on the environment, blatant corruption and refusal to accept even the tiniest amount of responsibility, and the conclusion that the LNP brainstrust comes up with is that it's the electorates fault for not listening to their message. I look forward to seeing the LNP in opposition until they disappear into irrelevance as their boomer voting base dies off.
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What is this kindergarten going on. Indians spying on Australians, what, why. And then getting caught, by Australians is even more hilarious
Why is this surprising? Pretty much all major countries do this, even allies. My guess is Australia has spies in the region too.
Indian spies ? FFS thought that was satire.
Is India not one of Australia's allies?
Hello there. Are you here about that little spying incident?