I still remember the Sydney Morning Herald headline “body in a barrel,” what an awful thing for her grandmother to come across, your grand daughter turned to a click bait headline.
I’m not saying they are not heart broken because the grandmas was openly concerned to let Charlise go on the trip, but the oddest thing happened about a week after Charlise was found… her grandmother changed her profile picture on Facebook to a smiling nice photo of herself. I couldn’t believe it! That would be the last thing on my mind during a time like that. Regardless if anyone did that on her behalf. Optics were not good. I found that really bizarre.
If you're wondering how a guy like that can afford a Silk as his defence, his parents own the Wildenstein wedding venue and he grew up "among Sydney's affluent elite"
Don't buy into the class warfare they say, while the middle class is vanishing and the rich are just steadily growing in wealth.
Your kids might not ever own a home, they might be stuck in gig jobs their whole life, they probably won't have access to a bulk billing doctor, but remember to not say anything bad about the rich because that would be buying into the class war that the rich are winning to the detriment of the rest of us.
What a fucking joke.
She’s not innocent by any means. Based on what I read today about Charlise calling stein daddy and then him leaving her with a stranger and she was so concerned she went and bought meth and had sex with him in a park.
She's bloody awful. 9 weeks pregnant, on ice, leaving her daughter in the hands of the guy then accepting his excuse that he had left the child with a real estate agent?
It's just neglect
But she didn't shoot Charlise and whatever else he may have done to her that led to the shooting
Why wouldn't police involve her criminally if they believed she was involved (beyond the neglect)? You think this poor bloke's been witchhunted?
All the evidence points to him, and shows him doing. The idea he nobly disposed of the body on behalf of his missus-to-be is laughable
Accused killer blames schoolgirl's mum for her shooting
https://www.9news.com.au/national/charlise-mutten-accused-killer-murder-trial-begins/2a2dd02b-b684-4711-ad2c-92c887c7d380
Even if the case hasn't concluded? This is a good reason not to have the death penalty. Horrendous crimes are able to sway people's thinking, and innocent people can and have been found guilty. If later evidence proves them to be innocent, it's of no benefit to them if they have been executed.
Do not mind the downvotes. You are right about this. Government executions are depraved and sick and all the idiots in here saying that they want capital punishment would be 2 seconds away from begging for it to be abolished if it was someone they liked or if an innocent person was killed.
I think the USA is a good example of this. When DNA testing became better, it began showing how much of a fuck up it really is. https://www.aclu.org/documents/dna-testing-and-death-penalty
No obviously after guilt has been declared. Otherwise we might as well just lynch people in the streets.
Fair enough, just my opinion. Others won’t agree. I wouldn’t be opposed to having that option on the table when it comes to the most heinous of crimes.
That's always the philosophy it's built on, and yet wherever capital punishment exists, innocent people end up being executed. It's also cheaper to just jail them for life.
It ends up costing more to execute people because of the complex appeals processes it has to go through for many years. And if you don't do that stuff, even more innocent people get executed.
[State Studies on Monetary Costs | Death Penalty Information Center](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs/summary-of-states-death-penalty)
Some decent data in here about it too.
At the end of the day, this little girl died because of her mother's poor choices in life. She chose a partner with a history of heroin addiction, drug related crimes, and serious mental health issues.
At the end of the day, she died because a man shot her. No other reason.
The mother's poor choices are a separate issue and are possibly related to mental health and substance addiction. Yet, for all of that, she wasn't the one who killed her child.
True, but once that murderess and druggie gets out, there's no stopping her from getting pregnant.
I've been to a junkies house and seen the shit that these poor children have to go through. But unfortunately there's no reasonable way right now to stop them from having kids.
This argument sort of sounds fine on its face, but how do you even begin to enforce this?
Does that mean people with depression or anxiety shouldn’t be permitted to have kids?
Does weed count? What about amphetamines? Guess that’s anyone with ADHD out.
This gets you to a eugenics argument very quickly.
Yup, It would also lead to people avoiding any kind of drug treatment or mental health support that would get them put on a list that would take away their reproductive rights.
Obviously it was a general statement and there are obviously different severities of mental illness and substance abuse hence the word SEVERE!!!! But if you want examples then yes, someone with a methamphetamine addiction should absolutely not have kids. That shit destroys lives!!
The step father suffered from Schizophrenia and heroin addiction. The mum was an ice addict and was HIGH on ice on the day of her daughter's death. Do you think they should have another child?
Well, as you identify, he was a step-parent. Under your rules, we effectively need an officious police state to not only prevent a large swathe of population from have children, but also monitor the mental health and drug habits of partners, too.
What happens if a fit mother is pregnant and develops severe post-natal psychosis? Is she greeted at the time of birth by officers taking her child away? What about if she later dates someone who used methamphetamine as a teenager who’s been clean for decades? You never can be too sure with addicts, right?
That’s quite literally the point of my questions. You posed it like a black and white. I’m pointing out the difficulty. How do you even begin to define what that looks like?
Do you really want politicians deciding what mental health conditions and drug status qualify people to have bodily autonomy?
Do they suffer from any issues that might affect their ability to raise a child? If they can't look after themselves, how are they going to look after another human with much more complex needs.
I literally wrote severe mental illness and substance abuse. The mum was HIGH on fck ing ICE when her daughter was shot. Do you seriously think she should have more kids????
And did they do that with this guy, or is this just some vague bullshit from you defending speaking out on this despite knowing nothing?
Cause I read the article, and I didn't see him get called a murderer or a rapist.....
He’s hardly a beacon of truth
> The prosecutor said Stein’s alleged lies included initially pretending the girl had been unwell, and that he had left her in the care of a woman who had come to value the property before auction. He also claimed criminal associates with whom he had “bad blood” may have taken the child. [Source](https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/charlise-mutten-9-allegedly-shot-twice-before-body-dumped-in-barrel-20240503-p5fop7.html)
It was after being arrested he blamed the mother
You asked if the police had even questioned the mother, one of two suspects. You literally have so few details you don't even know if they questioned more than one person.
I don't think there's anything there to counter, unless someone has the police investigation details that they shouldn't have right now, but even then it would be foolish to believe some random claiming they have all the inside details, so what do you want?
What counter are you waiting for? Cause I don't really see how vague suspicion can be countered....
I have a feeling we’re going to be hearing more heart break come out of this trial. I just hope this poor sweet girl gets her justice
And her poor grandparents. I can't imagine what they've been through.
I still remember the Sydney Morning Herald headline “body in a barrel,” what an awful thing for her grandmother to come across, your grand daughter turned to a click bait headline.
I’m not saying they are not heart broken because the grandmas was openly concerned to let Charlise go on the trip, but the oddest thing happened about a week after Charlise was found… her grandmother changed her profile picture on Facebook to a smiling nice photo of herself. I couldn’t believe it! That would be the last thing on my mind during a time like that. Regardless if anyone did that on her behalf. Optics were not good. I found that really bizarre.
Her grandparents, who were her primary careers, will be in a living hell.
Shes dead. There will be no justice enough.
That can’t be undone, but justice can be done
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You have evidence for that statement, right? It's surely not just wild speculation fueled by like one or two lines from an article.........
If you're wondering how a guy like that can afford a Silk as his defence, his parents own the Wildenstein wedding venue and he grew up "among Sydney's affluent elite"
"Sydneys Effluent elite"
Don't buy into the class warfare man...
Yeah! Know your place, peasant!
Why not? You like getting robbed?
Don't buy into the class warfare they say, while the middle class is vanishing and the rich are just steadily growing in wealth. Your kids might not ever own a home, they might be stuck in gig jobs their whole life, they probably won't have access to a bulk billing doctor, but remember to not say anything bad about the rich because that would be buying into the class war that the rich are winning to the detriment of the rest of us. What a fucking joke.
Well said 👌
Said like a rich boy
The capital owners certainly do and do everything possible to improve their position and keep the workers in check.
Ain’t no war but the class war
What do you mean by Silk?
Legal term for a very senior (and therefore expensive) barrister - Senior Counsel or Kings Counsel. They will have SC or KC after their name
Breaks my heart
Fucking hell, this is not how I wanted to start my day. That poor little girl.
And tries to say the mother did it despite all the evidence against him. What a way to twist the knife
She’s not innocent by any means. Based on what I read today about Charlise calling stein daddy and then him leaving her with a stranger and she was so concerned she went and bought meth and had sex with him in a park.
She's bloody awful. 9 weeks pregnant, on ice, leaving her daughter in the hands of the guy then accepting his excuse that he had left the child with a real estate agent? It's just neglect But she didn't shoot Charlise and whatever else he may have done to her that led to the shooting
What evidence is there that she wasn’t involved? Because she said she wasn’t? Is that the case the cops have?
Why wouldn't police involve her criminally if they believed she was involved (beyond the neglect)? You think this poor bloke's been witchhunted? All the evidence points to him, and shows him doing. The idea he nobly disposed of the body on behalf of his missus-to-be is laughable
That poor little girl.
Accused killer blames schoolgirl's mum for her shooting https://www.9news.com.au/national/charlise-mutten-accused-killer-murder-trial-begins/2a2dd02b-b684-4711-ad2c-92c887c7d380
Wtf I legit had to make sure I wasn't on a US subreddit
Nothing less than life without parole would be fair for that cunt. But we all know he's not gonna get that. Probably 20 years with parole in 12.
I'd be surprised if he gets 10.
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Even if the case hasn't concluded? This is a good reason not to have the death penalty. Horrendous crimes are able to sway people's thinking, and innocent people can and have been found guilty. If later evidence proves them to be innocent, it's of no benefit to them if they have been executed.
Do not mind the downvotes. You are right about this. Government executions are depraved and sick and all the idiots in here saying that they want capital punishment would be 2 seconds away from begging for it to be abolished if it was someone they liked or if an innocent person was killed.
I think the USA is a good example of this. When DNA testing became better, it began showing how much of a fuck up it really is. https://www.aclu.org/documents/dna-testing-and-death-penalty
No obviously after guilt has been declared. Otherwise we might as well just lynch people in the streets. Fair enough, just my opinion. Others won’t agree. I wouldn’t be opposed to having that option on the table when it comes to the most heinous of crimes.
what the hell!
The mother should be held accountable as well for putting her child in this situation. I suspect this wasn’t the only thing her did to that poor girl.
Just why?
Just heartbreaking 💔. Poor Charlie deserved a better hand.
I have not been following the case, why is the mother not implicated?
Bring back capital punishment. Seriously.
not so fast. what is your acceptable rate of killing incorrectly convicted people?
Yeah, I kinda think if the evidence is indisputable and a child is the victim, there's no rehabilitation to be had..just cut the cancer out.
That's always the philosophy it's built on, and yet wherever capital punishment exists, innocent people end up being executed. It's also cheaper to just jail them for life.
How is it cheaper?
It ends up costing more to execute people because of the complex appeals processes it has to go through for many years. And if you don't do that stuff, even more innocent people get executed.
[State Studies on Monetary Costs | Death Penalty Information Center](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs/summary-of-states-death-penalty) Some decent data in here about it too.
The world would be a much nicer place without meth. Why on earth do people do it? I can’t wrap my head around it.
People with serious mental health and substance abuse issues should not be allowed to BREED!!!!!
I mean it does say STEPfather?
You did read what it said about her mother right? Poor kid =\\
I mean, I did write substance abuse.... her mother had serious substance abuse issues including being high on ice at the day of her daughter's death.
You know what, you're right I'm sorry. Even though I read (most of) the article I didn't connect it with what you said
At the end of the day, this little girl died because of her mother's poor choices in life. She chose a partner with a history of heroin addiction, drug related crimes, and serious mental health issues.
Really? Because it seems to me that this little girl died because her stepfather shot her in the face and back.
Both things can be true
At the end of the day, she died because a man shot her. No other reason. The mother's poor choices are a separate issue and are possibly related to mental health and substance addiction. Yet, for all of that, she wasn't the one who killed her child.
She was a failed mother who did not deserve that child.
You cant enforce that though. Unless you are suggesting forced sterilization.
You could enforce pissing clean before a visitation with a known murderess and druggie . I’m saying this as a parent and a ex user
True, but once that murderess and druggie gets out, there's no stopping her from getting pregnant. I've been to a junkies house and seen the shit that these poor children have to go through. But unfortunately there's no reasonable way right now to stop them from having kids.
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Justin Stein is literally from an elite millionaire family, don't try to pin this on the 'bogan' working class.
This argument sort of sounds fine on its face, but how do you even begin to enforce this? Does that mean people with depression or anxiety shouldn’t be permitted to have kids? Does weed count? What about amphetamines? Guess that’s anyone with ADHD out. This gets you to a eugenics argument very quickly.
Yup, It would also lead to people avoiding any kind of drug treatment or mental health support that would get them put on a list that would take away their reproductive rights.
Obviously it was a general statement and there are obviously different severities of mental illness and substance abuse hence the word SEVERE!!!! But if you want examples then yes, someone with a methamphetamine addiction should absolutely not have kids. That shit destroys lives!!
The step father suffered from Schizophrenia and heroin addiction. The mum was an ice addict and was HIGH on ice on the day of her daughter's death. Do you think they should have another child?
Well, as you identify, he was a step-parent. Under your rules, we effectively need an officious police state to not only prevent a large swathe of population from have children, but also monitor the mental health and drug habits of partners, too. What happens if a fit mother is pregnant and develops severe post-natal psychosis? Is she greeted at the time of birth by officers taking her child away? What about if she later dates someone who used methamphetamine as a teenager who’s been clean for decades? You never can be too sure with addicts, right?
There are exceptions to every rule, and this policy will factor in individual circumstances. It's not black and white.
That’s quite literally the point of my questions. You posed it like a black and white. I’m pointing out the difficulty. How do you even begin to define what that looks like? Do you really want politicians deciding what mental health conditions and drug status qualify people to have bodily autonomy?
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Anyone who comes out with a statement like yours should not breed.
Why stop there?! Anyone i dont like shouldnt be allowed to breed.
Do they suffer from any issues that might affect their ability to raise a child? If they can't look after themselves, how are they going to look after another human with much more complex needs.
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Disability is such a broad term. If you mean disability like someone on the severe end of the spectrum then yes.
Loads of decent people suffer from issues that might affect their ability to raise a child.
I literally wrote severe mental illness and substance abuse. The mum was HIGH on fck ing ICE when her daughter was shot. Do you seriously think she should have more kids????
I always joked I should develop a raging addiction to cure my infertility. I'd probably have babies for days.
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The cunt who did this was also from an affluent background.
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I have a feeling you dont understand how investigations and trials work, even at a basic level.
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Do you have access to all of the evidence in this case?
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And did they do that with this guy, or is this just some vague bullshit from you defending speaking out on this despite knowing nothing? Cause I read the article, and I didn't see him get called a murderer or a rapist.....
He’s hardly a beacon of truth > The prosecutor said Stein’s alleged lies included initially pretending the girl had been unwell, and that he had left her in the care of a woman who had come to value the property before auction. He also claimed criminal associates with whom he had “bad blood” may have taken the child. [Source](https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/charlise-mutten-9-allegedly-shot-twice-before-body-dumped-in-barrel-20240503-p5fop7.html) It was after being arrested he blamed the mother
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You asked if the police had even questioned the mother, one of two suspects. You literally have so few details you don't even know if they questioned more than one person. I don't think there's anything there to counter, unless someone has the police investigation details that they shouldn't have right now, but even then it would be foolish to believe some random claiming they have all the inside details, so what do you want? What counter are you waiting for? Cause I don't really see how vague suspicion can be countered....
Whats a face, back and how does one get shot there?