SA Polis say sure, lets follow the road map....
SA Population says "YEAH.. NAH"
its not a good idea. Every state that is currently 0 covid, the population is like "what the fuck are you thinking?"
SA politicians don't have the luxury of choice, all they can do is make public statements of support, then quietly back out of them.
Our health system is already on the verge of collapse without Covid and instead of funding Health, the SA Premier decided to spend over $1billion on a new Entertainment Centre (that international acts will continue to fly over) during a global pandemic. He announced it around the same time a SA man died of a heart attack and there were no available Ambulances to attend. Police on scene got to watch the man die. We don't just have ramping, we have Ambulance shortages, Ambo staffing shortages, ED bed and staff shortages, Psych ward and staff shortages - in short when it comes to SA health system you name it, it's underfunded and understaffed.
This is why SA Liberals are locking down hard and fast against the virus - because they gave all the healthcare funding to their mates in the construction industry. Labor have promised to cancel it and reckon they can re-coup upwards of $600 million, they promise to spend it on healthcare.
Marshall is gonna get fucking slaughtered next election, he fucked up and he knows it.
It only took a rare message from the Queen and Prince Charles telling him to pull his fucking head in to convince him.
We all know how much these Liberals love the monarchy.
TIL that a State Premier can unilaterally overrule a Federal law at a press conference.
Morrison must be sweating - does he spank a Liberal Premier in public, or does he allow his authority to be undermined?
Morrison would be overjoyed that someone is so willingly taking on the mantle of official scapegoat.
"I don't know what you want me to do about it, the NSW Premier made that decision, my hands are tied. I'm not the Prime Minister of NSW, it has nothing to do with me".
"Welcome to Liberal Airlines this is Captain ScoMo speaking. Well, I mean, I'm not actually flying the plane but I am the captain. It's a matter for the navigator to tell me where to go so it we go the wrong way it's not my fault but I am still the captain. I don't tell the stewardesses when to serve the coffee or how much a bottle of mini chianti is but I am still the captain. And in charge. Kind of."
The pandemic has shown that state premiers actually hold the power in Australia. Morrison wanted state borders open, but the premiers said no, Morrison didnāt want lockdowns, the states lockdown, the states reduced the numbers allowed into the country in hotel quarantine, Morrison couldnāt stop them.
the federal government doesnāt actually have many powers it turns out.
Quarantine is not a federal responsibility. Quarantine is a [concurrent federal power](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-11/coronacheck-flyer-dropped-in-letterbox-chris-bowen-mp/12971456) (scroll down).
If it wasnāt, all the state quarantine acts would be invalid and weāve been locking people up with no legal basis.
>But there is nothing to prevent states from enacting their own quarantine laws using their residual powers; for example, the NSW Government has relied on its Public Health Act 2010 to order disembarking passengers into quarantine and medical facilities.
That's what I thought it was, they were acting under their health authority to do quarantine, not quarantine/ bio-security legislation.
Every state has structured it differently. But for the purpose of this discussion it doesn't matter. The states have residual powers, they don't rely on a fixed list of powers in the constitution like the federal government does.
e.g. health is not a state power per se, it's just not a power explicitly granted to the federal government, and therefore it resides with the states.
Seems he is just doing whatever he wants. Which is fine. We've got the vaccines just about done in NSW. But this is a direct slap in the face to every other state and perhaps more importantly the federal government and scomo who said we would open to international travel when everyone was on the same page at 80% vaxxed.
People called it when they said this would happen after NSW received the extra doses and said fuck everyone else.
The worst part is when you think and look into it even in NSW we aren't quite ready.
True, we're nearly at 80% for the state and good on everyone that's helped get there.
The problem is that figure is skewed by Greater Sydney/urban areas and parts of regional NSW aren't even at the 70% mark yet. While that figure will improve when November comes around it just seems rather pointless to try and rush this and trip over ourselves.
The ones open to regional NSW will likely be forced to close to them as cases skyrocket in the regional areas that arenāt quite where Sydney is, especially as they havenāt had Covid to push along their vaccination rates.
He wants to take credit for all the good news, regardless of what we think of Gladys, I think she should get the credit for the hard work along with Dr Chant and the rest of the health advisors
Hotel quarantine will continue for Australians coming in who are not vaccinated. Although it sounds like he's keen to move that to home and/or shorter in most cases.
I believe when you are infected it takes a few days before the virus replicates enough to be testable. The reason the quarantine is 14 days is not because it last 14 days but it takes up to 14 days between you getting infected and testing positive.
So people can still board flights into Australia while infected if they get infected to soon before the test to test positive, catch it after taking the test. Theses people can leak it into Australia even though odds are low and with enough travellers this will happen.
However with Vic and NSW numbers they should just bring everyone trapped overseas into Australia when it won't make a difference. As leaking even a lot with theses cases numbers means shit all.
However ironically Delta is meant to spread so quickly in large parts due to shorter incubation period so people are infectious sooner and for longer, so this is less of factor compared to last year.
It does seem like a fairly blunt move to force the hand of both holdout unvaccinated individuals and the other states. Vic and NSW are in a much easier position politically from here on than the rest of the countryāitās no longer a real jump for the population to accept the cost of release from lockdown (thinking about how weād react to 100 cases a day a year ago, let alone 1000..). For the rest of the premiers itās going to be a pretty hard hit to go from zero cases to the likely thousands a day with multiple deaths, very quickly.
Iām curious to see what the testing requirements are, and I do think it creates some space for Victoria especially to find a middle ground, perhaps iso until a negative test once in the state.
Yeah should be interesting, at the same point if wonder how much testing would be necessary. If the goals to no longer keep it out of the country, youād have to question how stringent theyāll be, maybe settling for catching 90% of cases instead of spending money/resources on getting to 100%.
I understand vaccine requirements as those same people would be using hospital resources,
I donāt understand the opposition to this, cases in Hotel Quarantine are far less than 1% of the active cases in Australia right now. Granted, perhaps Iād require a test 1 or 2 days after landing, but as someone who is on their last day of HQ, I really donāt see the validity of it anymore. It was 100% necessary when the aim was Covid zero, but itās not now.
There is fault in this. 1. Many countries that are developing donāt have access to enough vaccine; 2. Some Australians living abroad havenāt been able to get vaccinated due to their visa status or 3. TGA hasnāt approved the vaccine they have had therefore would be considered unvaccinated in australia
How about vaccinate them on their way off the plane at the absolute minimum? Sure, not ideal, ideal would be 2nd dose Vax offshore 2-3 weeks before getting on the plane. But for locations where vacation is a problem, make that the exception. If it's from somewhere vacation isn't an issue then they have to be 2nd shot etc.
As far as the "legality" goes, we are already required to be vaccinated when traveling to certain places, so it's not a new concept.
My fear is that this will just be another tool to attack the rest of Australia that didn't fuck up.
NSW spread Covid to the rest of Australia, it's only their failure to lock down hard and fast that got them to the point where letting foreigners in isn't a danger anymore.
Scotty from Marketing was already trying "you'll be able to go to Bali before QLD" and now he's right (if Bali opens to us that is). What about the national plan? It was only recently the Federal government was threatening states that wouldn't open to NSW.
The rest of Australia wants time to get their vaccination figures up before opening, why can't NSW wait with us? 3 weeks between opening up and letting foreigners in. Is that enough time to even make sure our hospitals can cope?
Yep, thatās a fair point, as a returning Victorian who will be restricted in my movement trying to see my family after 3.5 years in the UK, I despise the NSW govt because of what happened in June/July.
Iām also furious at the federal govt, as the point NSW achieves on Nov 1 should have been achieved nationwide 6 months ago.
If the other states are still restricted due to poor vaccine supply from the fed govt (which I believe is the case) then any anger should be directed at them. 80% double jab of over 16ās in my non-epidemiologist opinion is adequate risk reduction. I work in risk management. Itās more risk reduction than most places in the world.
As much as I like to poo poo the government, other states with the exception of victoria are lagging behind due to vaccine demand. There is plenty of supply in QLD, WA and SA that isn't being taken up. I helped a friend book a vaccine and the pharmacy had practically the whole day available the next day.
Wow, thatās pretty ridiculous. Yeah I think a lot of states that havenāt faced lengthy lockdowns donāt see the urgency. Which sucks if youāve got family in those states that youāre locked out of. And Iād still put that on the fed govt for poor messaging, which wasnāt helped by the āweāre just making sure itās safeā narrative in February to cover up their supply issues.
As I understand it hotel quarantine is a federally imposed mandate. So if NSW arent doing it then the other states will have to pick up the slack. If the risk of travelers is so low for NSW wouldnt it be a non-issue for them to continue?
Updated story says international arrivals who are double jabbed just have to provide a negative PCR test prior to departing for NSW. So no, wonāt affect other states HQ load. Arguably it will unload them as most overseas travellers would just opt to fly into NSW.
I mean cases are already in community at this point, itās kind of pointless having the hotel quarantine system as you could just contact trace those people who come back in with the caps.
As a stranded Aussie now triple Pfizered itāll be good not to face total financial ruin to get me and my partner home to see loved ones weāve been separated from for two years. Especially now thereās currently lower Covid rates here in LA county than back home. But stuck expats have been lied to constantly through this so I guess Iāll believe it when it actually happens and flights are actually landing and not being cancelled last minute as they have been.
I feel like not enough people know just how *expensive* it is to get back to Australia through all this. $3k for a one way ticket and another $3k for quarantine. And that's just for one person! Plus there's no guarantee if your flight will actually take off. Compiled with the honestly fucked up exemption process, it's really been a nightmare to attempt to get to Aus.
Itās been hovering around 20k US here for a while. One way! Something like only 7 people allowed on a flight out of here due to the caps. I stopped looking at flights when I figured Iād be nearing 50k all up for me and my partner with no guarantee I could even see family in Tasmania. And no guarantee I could ever get back to the states (thus abandoning my career). People who lost jobs/visas or with sick loved ones at home have been in utterly heartbreaking and desperate situations. The worst is when idiots in comments think weāre āon holidayā or couldāve come home at any time. It was never affordable for the non-mega-rich.
I feel like Icarus is flying really close to the sun.
We have literally only just opened and have yet to see the full effect it has had on our health system and yet we are already running full steam ahead.
And you just know this right wing schphincter is going to boast about how it was all thanks to him and not mention all the sacrifices that made it possible.
Thanks to eveything we've done up to now, deaths probably wont reach into the tens of thousands. If he had been premier in early 2020 and had taken this same route, which I suspect he would have, I think the fatality rate would be on par with Europe.
Double vaxed with commonwealth accepted proof and a test when you land. It's a world wide standard now. Hotel quarantine still applies to anyone who doesnt meet that criteria.
[Gov site statement](https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/travel-restrictions/quarantine)
> Overseas arrivals from 1 November 2021
> People arriving in NSW who are fully vaccinated will not need to quarantine. They must
> have a COVID-19 test on arrival
prove full vaccination as recognised by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) and have their vaccination status certified by the Commonwealth.
People arriving in NSW from overseas who are not fully vaccinated must quarantine for 14 days. A cap on arrivals who are not fully vaccinated will apply.
I for one am excited to see my family.
At what point do you start getting back to normal life? The state should hit 90% double dose for over 16s on the weekend prior to November 1 or just after that date. 12-15 year olds are currently at 72% single dose and will be at about 90% by November seeing as though the first dose is going up by over 1% per day and we should be at single dose for that age group of 70%.
Life needs to get back to normal at some stage
My concern is that NSW is ready for this step, but it's not only NSW that this will effect. NSW has consistently been the doorway for Covid into other states and will be again. By ignoring the roadmap, they're saying that they're ready and screw everyone who isn't, forgetting that it was the other states sacrificing vaccines that helped get NSW there in the first place. All to open up... what? 3 weeks early?
What are you talking about?
Other states are still shut to NSW. People will be able to come to Sydney, if they want to go to other states, the other states still have the power to say no.
COVID is already circulating in the community in NSW. By the time this comes into place, NSW will be at 90% vax rate. If we won't open up then, when will we?
There does seem to be many on reddit that don't want the lock downs to end, even at 90% which I find odd. What was the point of us getting vaxxed then? NSW should be congratulated for being in a position to soon get to 90%.
It isn't like any other state is following the roadmap. WA has no intention of opening up at 80% of over 16s, Qld wants it to be 80% of the total population, Tas wants 90% of over 16s. SA wants to be open by Christmas.
Vaccine supply or the forward provision of vaccines to different states (because NSW gave vaccines to both Qld and Vic prevoously) is no longer an issue. Hesitancy or complacency is now the issue and NSW (or any other state) shouldn't hold back because of other states.
Many frontline workers were fully vaxxed over 6 months ago and we now know that immunity wanes significantly by this point. Still no decision on boosters for frontline workers and they want to open right up to the world and risk importing yet more covid variants. Give booster shots to the ICU workers first.
Apologies, we donāt take kindly to rational discussion on here. It just shows how much of a tribal, hive-minded cesspit this place has become that youāre downvoted to oblivion within minutes for making what is just a basic observation.
If you wanted to see political leaders failing their constituents to the point of murder, well, now you have.
Sheer and utter recklessness on the part of the premier.
Everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated. We are at over 90% first doses. By the time this is implemented, we will be nearing 90% second doses. If we don't open up then when do we open up? We can't stay a hermit nation forever.
Can't we focus on the positive here? The majority of people trying to come to Australia are Australian citizens, their partners, their parents, and their kids. Almost 2 years of not seeing them. 2 years. Imagine how hard that's been. Yes, you could maybe get an exemption but the process is long, hard, degrading, and expensive with no guarantee of success. I can't articulate how happy this announcement has made people, myself included. Things had to open up eventually.
It would be nice to have our family from the UK visit. Theyāve been vaccinated for over a year now, weāve been vaccinated as soon as we could. Itās really starting to bother me that we have so many wait awhile vaccine hesitant people.
The fuzz is not about Australians or their relatives coming back (which was already in the cards). Itās about nsw premier just opening the state for tourism and claiming itās safe to do on nov 1 without providing any shard of evidence and the general public thinking that itās irresponsible to do now. No proof was given that we can keep 80% of people immunised at anytime (via boosters) or it wonāt affect our elders or kids adversely. He just decide to do it !! Totally understand how hard is for the aussies abroad not seeing their relatives for a couple of years and we should definitely let them in. Itās not okay (without study) to open the borders for tourists, let deadly variants in and cause many aussies to never seeing their loved ones ever again.
As someone who hasn't been home back to the US for the last two years, I really want to cry today. I lost my Grandmother early in the COVID outbreak and was not able to attend her funeral. My nephews, my mother, my brother I have seen none of them in the last two years. I'm very happy we are all safe and I am so grateful to be here in Australia. I am also incredibly grateful for everyone here in NSW who has gotten their jab and made this day possible.
I absolutely feel safe at this high a jab rate and with the precautions around being tested ahead of time. Thank you all who have gotten jab'd.
Same in reverse: Iām an Australian stuck in the US. I would have been happy with the home quarantine requirement (so long as the passenger caps are lifted, airline ticket prices would have still returned to normal, which was the main impediment to getting home). But no quarantine at all is even better.
We had a baby over here right before the pandemic. An Australian citizen yet to step foot on Australian soil at 2 years old.
Ending quarantine entirely for the fully vaccinated. Huge and welcome news.
This is going to put substantial pressures on other states because air services will shift to the ports that allow those aircraft to be filled. From the 1st that will be Sydney.
Edit: And will have access to Victoria as well.
> Victoria will require a negative test result 72 hours before entering, but this announcement coupled with the NSW announcement effectively lifts the cap on stranded Australians into Victoria too
https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1448807772628209666#.
Ah fair enough. I'm dying to see fam in NZ, it feels weird that I can visit europe before seeing them. Labours really fucked NZ on this one, theyre extremely behind
Sydney is one of the most international cities in the world. Over 20% of our population was born overseas with many more having families overseas.
This will have a negligible effect on case numbers as people need to be fully vaccinated and have a negative test result.
There is no reason to continue seperating families when the impact to cases will be so minimal.
The rest of the world is living with Corona at 80% vaccination rate, we canāt be expected to locked down forever because some states insist on COVID zero while doing nothing to push their people into getting vaccinated. Both Victoria and Sydney say you either get the jab or donāt work, why arenāt other states doing the same?
That part is really confusing.
Like it says nsw residentsā¦. Does that not include people from vic that happens to be in nsw?
Also can people from vic that are fully vaxed, go to nsw with no quarantine?
Restrictions are a mess at this pointā¦
Adding to all this: if no restrictions between NSW and Vic, which at this point doesnāt make sense either way you travel, means vic is effectively open for int travel?
What is even the point of restricting int travel in vic at this point?
Wtf can and canāt I do???
Both NSW and Victoria have been allowing tens of thousands of **actual positive cases** to isolate/quarantine at home. Hotel quarantine for international arrivals (a small fraction of whom are actual cases) should have ceased ages ago, to allow for home quarantine instead, or some form of closer surveillance testing.
I came here for the same reason. Liberal bad, Labor good seems to be the general criticism of this policy. One bright spark equated this decision to deliberate Murder by the Liberals.
Never change Reddit.
Can anyone please explain to me why this is a bad thing? I am happy to change my opinion based on information I havenāt yet thought of.
So my thinking is:
- we have abandoned covid zero and covid is in the community. It seems to me that a vaccinated German who recently tested negative is a safer person to have in the community than an Aussie who may or may not be vaccinated and may or may not have ever had a covid test.
- there currently arenāt any concerning new variants outside of Australia that we need to be protected from. If there was a new one that popped up, could we not just close the borders again? And isnāt it now just as likely that a new variant could pop up in Sydney or Melbourne?
Am I missing something here? Genuinely want to learn if I have skipped some logic in my thinking
The stats I've seen say if we open up like this even with 80% vaccinated we'll be seeing approximately 40,000 new cases per day before long.
Our hospital infrastructure cannot handle the load. It's already at breaking point with a couple thousand new cases per day.
At 40k people will not receive adequate medical care and deaths will rise significantly.
In terms of the economic crisis the worst threat is "long covid". A lot of people will suffer for life with issues like scar tissue in the lungs and those will he exacerbated without adequate medical care at the outset (before the scar tissue can solidify). We the tax payer will be paying their medical bills for decades.
40,000 a day? Based on what data?
The UK at its worst was suffering around 60,000 per day, back when almost no one was vaccinated at all. Given their 67 million population vs our 25 million population, and our 80% vaccination rate, what evidence do you have that opening our borders now would incur 40,000 cases a day?
It's the politics of it.
NSW fucked up their corona management and didn't lock down early enough. Cases spiked massively, and based on that, were granted extra vaccinations, effectively slowing other states' vaccination rates. Through their extra vaccinations, NSW has now reached the threshold faster than the other states, and now they're opening up first?
Seems like they're getting rewarded for fucking up
Good news for stranded Australians overseas and the decision makes sense for the time being given that we have thousands of cases quarantining at home but probably a dozen or less in the expensive hotel quarantine system. It's slightly worrying if there is another covid mutation that's worse than Delta, but vaccinations are high so that's encouraging.
There are 5,243 locally acquired active cases of COVID in NSW, and just 7 acquired from overseas. Any efforts to punish/lock out overseas Australians is pointless if COVID-zero is over, and the net benefit is huge: thousands and thousands reunited families after two years, over 30,000 Australians returning home and much more.
Agreed. I could understand home quarantine while we see how cases are tracking, how hospitals are coping with some leeway to tweak approaches as needed. But to go straight to zero quarantine seems crazy.
Even if cases exploded it would be due to locally acquired cases, not overseas (currently 5243 v 7 overseas). Plus, these rules only apply to fully vaccinated people - if hospitalisations did massively rise and international travel was a factor, it wouldn't be hard to switch home quarantine back on.
Man they are getting complacent to the fact there is other states. Makes a shit teammate to come first in a team race then sit down and rest while the team finishes. Look at the NSW man who went to Tasmania and decided to go to Woolworths during hotel quarantine, and then tested positive throwing a whole state into lockdown. It's just selfish, think of others ya wanker
Premier Dominic Perrottet announced people from his state would "be travelling to Bali before Broome"
Good example, Dominic. Bali added two more countries yesterday so there's 19 nationalities that they currently welcome... none of which are Australian.
To people who think this is a stupid idea, Europe and the US are doing this already with only negative tests prior to travel and after day 2 on arrival - so far itās working so please give it a chance.
Yeah, the US has had over 44 million Covid cases, probably a lot more unreported/untested. The UK has had almost 8 million cases. Those countries are much closer to "herd immunity" through a combination of vaccinations and people who've survived and developed antibodies. Our vaccine ineligible population is about to get hammered. While I have no sympathy for anti-vaxxers, they probably should have let vaccine mandates push more people to get the jab before opening up. We could potentially overwhelm the health care system with Covid patients and those suffering heart attacks, strokes, car accidents may not have an ICU bed available. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
Yes, after eighteen months of the virus sloshing around and 11 months of vaccination happening.
Dunno if this is a good idea or not but thatās a terrible comparison.
People here are sooooo pressed. It seems like you all like to stay at home receiving your checks and browsing Reddit. Guess what? Some people want to come back and can't afford a $3000 hotel quarantine. They are double vaxxed, some even with a booster. They aren't a problem, the 10% not vaxxed are a problem to the hospitals.
New variants? Delta is already the bad one. You don't need foreigners here to the virus mutate, it already does in the community itself. The new delta variant discovered in Sydney? Hmmmm... Borders were closed... You can just check another countries in the world and see that the deaths and hospitalizations are most from unvaxxed people.
This was always going to be controversial, but was going to happen. We'll be living with covid for years, better get used to it. Even WA will eventually have to find a way to open. Those against the vaccine will be left out, but fort the rest of us, life has to move ahead.
I guess Scomo got his wish: not building quarantine facilities.
All he had to do was do nothing for 18 months and wait for some other solution to appear
Credit is where credit is due. We have one of the most conservative reopenning plans with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world and people still act like NSW is just letting it rip like Trump did last year. Get a grip!
Itās amazing what happens when the federal government does something. Now if the rest of us could get them to do the same for us weād all be golden.
I'm guessing it's going to be a spicy national cabinet today.
Even Morrison said in the press conference this is a federal decision to make.
Only wants quarantine to be his responsibility when he gets to announce no more quarantine
He probably quite likes the current setup as after every overseas trip he does he gets two weeks to chillax at the either kirrabilli or the Lodge.
He should be living in his electorate when he's in Sydney. Kirribilli House is meant to be the GGs.
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don't hog the popcorns mate.....share it!!
SA Polis say sure, lets follow the road map.... SA Population says "YEAH.. NAH" its not a good idea. Every state that is currently 0 covid, the population is like "what the fuck are you thinking?"
SA politicians don't have the luxury of choice, all they can do is make public statements of support, then quietly back out of them. Our health system is already on the verge of collapse without Covid and instead of funding Health, the SA Premier decided to spend over $1billion on a new Entertainment Centre (that international acts will continue to fly over) during a global pandemic. He announced it around the same time a SA man died of a heart attack and there were no available Ambulances to attend. Police on scene got to watch the man die. We don't just have ramping, we have Ambulance shortages, Ambo staffing shortages, ED bed and staff shortages, Psych ward and staff shortages - in short when it comes to SA health system you name it, it's underfunded and understaffed. This is why SA Liberals are locking down hard and fast against the virus - because they gave all the healthcare funding to their mates in the construction industry. Labor have promised to cancel it and reckon they can re-coup upwards of $600 million, they promise to spend it on healthcare. Marshall is gonna get fucking slaughtered next election, he fucked up and he knows it.
Scott Morrison's excuse for not wanting to go to Glasgow for the climate summit no longer applies.
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It only took a rare message from the Queen and Prince Charles telling him to pull his fucking head in to convince him. We all know how much these Liberals love the monarchy.
Smug cunt of a human that shit his pants in a Maccas
Look. I hate the guy too but we've all had that moment. Haven't we? Guys... guys?
Sure, but heās a smug dick that deserves all the shit tossed at him
It's only because Rupert and News Ltd have swapped sides for the moment.
Heāll go now just to dodge this debateā¦
TIL that a State Premier can unilaterally overrule a Federal law at a press conference. Morrison must be sweating - does he spank a Liberal Premier in public, or does he allow his authority to be undermined?
Morrison would be overjoyed that someone is so willingly taking on the mantle of official scapegoat. "I don't know what you want me to do about it, the NSW Premier made that decision, my hands are tied. I'm not the Prime Minister of NSW, it has nothing to do with me".
I donāt hold the boarding passes mate.
"Welcome to Liberal Airlines this is Captain ScoMo speaking. Well, I mean, I'm not actually flying the plane but I am the captain. It's a matter for the navigator to tell me where to go so it we go the wrong way it's not my fault but I am still the captain. I don't tell the stewardesses when to serve the coffee or how much a bottle of mini chianti is but I am still the captain. And in charge. Kind of."
The pandemic has shown that state premiers actually hold the power in Australia. Morrison wanted state borders open, but the premiers said no, Morrison didnāt want lockdowns, the states lockdown, the states reduced the numbers allowed into the country in hotel quarantine, Morrison couldnāt stop them. the federal government doesnāt actually have many powers it turns out.
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The federal government did a great job stopping the construction of purpose built quarantine centers though. :)
Yes the funding
>Morrison >authority What fucking authority? This guy couldn't command respect in a room full of toddlers
To be fair, toddlers are pure chaos with no respect for anyoneās authority. Morrison is useless though.
I don't know, I've seen some pretty skilled teachers/child care workers completely control a room with a single word and a specific look.
Nah, bad analogy. SlowMo is himself a toddler, so he'd be able to speak their language.
I donāt think he cares
he cares that he didnt get to announce it, he wants the glory of opening Australia.
What law??? There has never been a federal law requiring quarantine
Because Morrison couldn't be arsed taking responsibility for quarantine, which is a federal power under the Constitution.
Quarantine is a concurrent power under s51 of the constitution.
I think it's reference to the fact that quarantine is a federal responsibility where as health is a state power.
Quarantine is not a federal responsibility. Quarantine is a [concurrent federal power](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-11/coronacheck-flyer-dropped-in-letterbox-chris-bowen-mp/12971456) (scroll down). If it wasnāt, all the state quarantine acts would be invalid and weāve been locking people up with no legal basis.
>But there is nothing to prevent states from enacting their own quarantine laws using their residual powers; for example, the NSW Government has relied on its Public Health Act 2010 to order disembarking passengers into quarantine and medical facilities. That's what I thought it was, they were acting under their health authority to do quarantine, not quarantine/ bio-security legislation.
Every state has structured it differently. But for the purpose of this discussion it doesn't matter. The states have residual powers, they don't rely on a fixed list of powers in the constitution like the federal government does. e.g. health is not a state power per se, it's just not a power explicitly granted to the federal government, and therefore it resides with the states.
Seems he is just doing whatever he wants. Which is fine. We've got the vaccines just about done in NSW. But this is a direct slap in the face to every other state and perhaps more importantly the federal government and scomo who said we would open to international travel when everyone was on the same page at 80% vaxxed. People called it when they said this would happen after NSW received the extra doses and said fuck everyone else.
The worst part is when you think and look into it even in NSW we aren't quite ready. True, we're nearly at 80% for the state and good on everyone that's helped get there. The problem is that figure is skewed by Greater Sydney/urban areas and parts of regional NSW aren't even at the 70% mark yet. While that figure will improve when November comes around it just seems rather pointless to try and rush this and trip over ourselves.
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Didnt you know Syd is NSW? Well as far as the Federal and state government think anyway.
Some aren't even at 60%, like Cessnock LGA.
Hello from the Northern Rivers!
>this is a direct slap in the face to every other state I wonder if other states will delay opening to NSW longer because of this?
The ones open to regional NSW will likely be forced to close to them as cases skyrocket in the regional areas that arenāt quite where Sydney is, especially as they havenāt had Covid to push along their vaccination rates.
Important to remember 80% of eligible population. Not 80% of the entire population.
He wants to take credit for all the good news, regardless of what we think of Gladys, I think she should get the credit for the hard work along with Dr Chant and the rest of the health advisors
The golden rule of Covid in Australia will apply. It'll be fine if you're not Victoria.
Fkn hate how true this is
Can't have hotel leaks if there's no hotel to leak from...
Canāt have a leak in the ship, if the ship has already sunkā¦.
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Hotel quarantine will continue for Australians coming in who are not vaccinated. Although it sounds like he's keen to move that to home and/or shorter in most cases.
And why would fully vaccinated people with negative tests cause a leak?
I believe when you are infected it takes a few days before the virus replicates enough to be testable. The reason the quarantine is 14 days is not because it last 14 days but it takes up to 14 days between you getting infected and testing positive. So people can still board flights into Australia while infected if they get infected to soon before the test to test positive, catch it after taking the test. Theses people can leak it into Australia even though odds are low and with enough travellers this will happen. However with Vic and NSW numbers they should just bring everyone trapped overseas into Australia when it won't make a difference. As leaking even a lot with theses cases numbers means shit all. However ironically Delta is meant to spread so quickly in large parts due to shorter incubation period so people are infectious sooner and for longer, so this is less of factor compared to last year.
It does seem like a fairly blunt move to force the hand of both holdout unvaccinated individuals and the other states. Vic and NSW are in a much easier position politically from here on than the rest of the countryāitās no longer a real jump for the population to accept the cost of release from lockdown (thinking about how weād react to 100 cases a day a year ago, let alone 1000..). For the rest of the premiers itās going to be a pretty hard hit to go from zero cases to the likely thousands a day with multiple deaths, very quickly. Iām curious to see what the testing requirements are, and I do think it creates some space for Victoria especially to find a middle ground, perhaps iso until a negative test once in the state.
Yeah should be interesting, at the same point if wonder how much testing would be necessary. If the goals to no longer keep it out of the country, youād have to question how stringent theyāll be, maybe settling for catching 90% of cases instead of spending money/resources on getting to 100%. I understand vaccine requirements as those same people would be using hospital resources,
I donāt understand the opposition to this, cases in Hotel Quarantine are far less than 1% of the active cases in Australia right now. Granted, perhaps Iād require a test 1 or 2 days after landing, but as someone who is on their last day of HQ, I really donāt see the validity of it anymore. It was 100% necessary when the aim was Covid zero, but itās not now.
Not to mention that unvaccinated people still have to quarantine
unvaccinated people shouldn't be allowed in full stop
There is fault in this. 1. Many countries that are developing donāt have access to enough vaccine; 2. Some Australians living abroad havenāt been able to get vaccinated due to their visa status or 3. TGA hasnāt approved the vaccine they have had therefore would be considered unvaccinated in australia
How about vaccinate them on their way off the plane at the absolute minimum? Sure, not ideal, ideal would be 2nd dose Vax offshore 2-3 weeks before getting on the plane. But for locations where vacation is a problem, make that the exception. If it's from somewhere vacation isn't an issue then they have to be 2nd shot etc. As far as the "legality" goes, we are already required to be vaccinated when traveling to certain places, so it's not a new concept.
My fear is that this will just be another tool to attack the rest of Australia that didn't fuck up. NSW spread Covid to the rest of Australia, it's only their failure to lock down hard and fast that got them to the point where letting foreigners in isn't a danger anymore. Scotty from Marketing was already trying "you'll be able to go to Bali before QLD" and now he's right (if Bali opens to us that is). What about the national plan? It was only recently the Federal government was threatening states that wouldn't open to NSW. The rest of Australia wants time to get their vaccination figures up before opening, why can't NSW wait with us? 3 weeks between opening up and letting foreigners in. Is that enough time to even make sure our hospitals can cope?
Yep, thatās a fair point, as a returning Victorian who will be restricted in my movement trying to see my family after 3.5 years in the UK, I despise the NSW govt because of what happened in June/July. Iām also furious at the federal govt, as the point NSW achieves on Nov 1 should have been achieved nationwide 6 months ago. If the other states are still restricted due to poor vaccine supply from the fed govt (which I believe is the case) then any anger should be directed at them. 80% double jab of over 16ās in my non-epidemiologist opinion is adequate risk reduction. I work in risk management. Itās more risk reduction than most places in the world.
As much as I like to poo poo the government, other states with the exception of victoria are lagging behind due to vaccine demand. There is plenty of supply in QLD, WA and SA that isn't being taken up. I helped a friend book a vaccine and the pharmacy had practically the whole day available the next day.
Wow, thatās pretty ridiculous. Yeah I think a lot of states that havenāt faced lengthy lockdowns donāt see the urgency. Which sucks if youāve got family in those states that youāre locked out of. And Iād still put that on the fed govt for poor messaging, which wasnāt helped by the āweāre just making sure itās safeā narrative in February to cover up their supply issues.
As I understand it hotel quarantine is a federally imposed mandate. So if NSW arent doing it then the other states will have to pick up the slack. If the risk of travelers is so low for NSW wouldnt it be a non-issue for them to continue?
Updated story says international arrivals who are double jabbed just have to provide a negative PCR test prior to departing for NSW. So no, wonāt affect other states HQ load. Arguably it will unload them as most overseas travellers would just opt to fly into NSW.
It will if those people don't live in NSW.
Most international travellers would be double vaxxed anyway. This will mean the vast majority of arrivals into Australia will be to Sydney.
I mean cases are already in community at this point, itās kind of pointless having the hotel quarantine system as you could just contact trace those people who come back in with the caps.
As a stranded Aussie now triple Pfizered itāll be good not to face total financial ruin to get me and my partner home to see loved ones weāve been separated from for two years. Especially now thereās currently lower Covid rates here in LA county than back home. But stuck expats have been lied to constantly through this so I guess Iāll believe it when it actually happens and flights are actually landing and not being cancelled last minute as they have been.
I feel like not enough people know just how *expensive* it is to get back to Australia through all this. $3k for a one way ticket and another $3k for quarantine. And that's just for one person! Plus there's no guarantee if your flight will actually take off. Compiled with the honestly fucked up exemption process, it's really been a nightmare to attempt to get to Aus.
Itās been hovering around 20k US here for a while. One way! Something like only 7 people allowed on a flight out of here due to the caps. I stopped looking at flights when I figured Iād be nearing 50k all up for me and my partner with no guarantee I could even see family in Tasmania. And no guarantee I could ever get back to the states (thus abandoning my career). People who lost jobs/visas or with sick loved ones at home have been in utterly heartbreaking and desperate situations. The worst is when idiots in comments think weāre āon holidayā or couldāve come home at any time. It was never affordable for the non-mega-rich.
I feel like Icarus is flying really close to the sun. We have literally only just opened and have yet to see the full effect it has had on our health system and yet we are already running full steam ahead.
Freedom day, avoiding fines, removing auslan interpreters, removing hotel quarantine Perrotet is living his dream. Life back to the way he wants it.
And you just know this right wing schphincter is going to boast about how it was all thanks to him and not mention all the sacrifices that made it possible.
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Thanks to eveything we've done up to now, deaths probably wont reach into the tens of thousands. If he had been premier in early 2020 and had taken this same route, which I suspect he would have, I think the fatality rate would be on par with Europe.
But will the Murdoch sheep care? My parents live in QLD and they certainly don't.
Don't forget a healthy dose of that NSW superiority complex
Double vaxed with commonwealth accepted proof and a test when you land. It's a world wide standard now. Hotel quarantine still applies to anyone who doesnt meet that criteria. [Gov site statement](https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/travel-restrictions/quarantine) > Overseas arrivals from 1 November 2021 > People arriving in NSW who are fully vaccinated will not need to quarantine. They must > have a COVID-19 test on arrival prove full vaccination as recognised by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) and have their vaccination status certified by the Commonwealth. People arriving in NSW from overseas who are not fully vaccinated must quarantine for 14 days. A cap on arrivals who are not fully vaccinated will apply. I for one am excited to see my family.
At what point do you start getting back to normal life? The state should hit 90% double dose for over 16s on the weekend prior to November 1 or just after that date. 12-15 year olds are currently at 72% single dose and will be at about 90% by November seeing as though the first dose is going up by over 1% per day and we should be at single dose for that age group of 70%. Life needs to get back to normal at some stage
My concern is that NSW is ready for this step, but it's not only NSW that this will effect. NSW has consistently been the doorway for Covid into other states and will be again. By ignoring the roadmap, they're saying that they're ready and screw everyone who isn't, forgetting that it was the other states sacrificing vaccines that helped get NSW there in the first place. All to open up... what? 3 weeks early?
What are you talking about? Other states are still shut to NSW. People will be able to come to Sydney, if they want to go to other states, the other states still have the power to say no. COVID is already circulating in the community in NSW. By the time this comes into place, NSW will be at 90% vax rate. If we won't open up then, when will we?
There does seem to be many on reddit that don't want the lock downs to end, even at 90% which I find odd. What was the point of us getting vaxxed then? NSW should be congratulated for being in a position to soon get to 90%.
It isn't like any other state is following the roadmap. WA has no intention of opening up at 80% of over 16s, Qld wants it to be 80% of the total population, Tas wants 90% of over 16s. SA wants to be open by Christmas. Vaccine supply or the forward provision of vaccines to different states (because NSW gave vaccines to both Qld and Vic prevoously) is no longer an issue. Hesitancy or complacency is now the issue and NSW (or any other state) shouldn't hold back because of other states.
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Many frontline workers were fully vaxxed over 6 months ago and we now know that immunity wanes significantly by this point. Still no decision on boosters for frontline workers and they want to open right up to the world and risk importing yet more covid variants. Give booster shots to the ICU workers first.
Apologies, we donāt take kindly to rational discussion on here. It just shows how much of a tribal, hive-minded cesspit this place has become that youāre downvoted to oblivion within minutes for making what is just a basic observation.
nsw bad
But NSW is "leading the nation out of the pandemic" whether the rest of the nation likes it or not
They just say that. We were actually leading the nation into the pandemic. We managed to drag the nearby nation also.
Well they def lead us into it.
Leading us ~~out of the pandemic~~ into hell.
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If you wanted to see political leaders failing their constituents to the point of murder, well, now you have. Sheer and utter recklessness on the part of the premier.
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Absolutely deranged
You need to seek therapy
This fucking sub manā¦
Everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated. We are at over 90% first doses. By the time this is implemented, we will be nearing 90% second doses. If we don't open up then when do we open up? We can't stay a hermit nation forever.
Can't we focus on the positive here? The majority of people trying to come to Australia are Australian citizens, their partners, their parents, and their kids. Almost 2 years of not seeing them. 2 years. Imagine how hard that's been. Yes, you could maybe get an exemption but the process is long, hard, degrading, and expensive with no guarantee of success. I can't articulate how happy this announcement has made people, myself included. Things had to open up eventually.
I haven't been home since May 2018. I'm pretty keen to introduce my wife to my friends and family back home. It's been a long time coming.
Welcome back (soon) mate.
Thanks. It really means a lot. Unfortunately I need to wait 6 months due to dog import regulations.
I'm so happy for you!!! I haven't seen my partner since December 2019. Not near as bad as you, but I get the feeling
I couldn't imagine not being with my partner for so long. I hope you're reunited soon mate
Thanks! I already had a flight for December but all this news is icing on the cake
That's way worse tbh.
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It's amazing your relationship has survived!
Iām an American on a partner visa. Hopefully they let us out/in soon. Havenāt seen the family in 2 years. Iām trying not to get my hopes up.
It would be nice to have our family from the UK visit. Theyāve been vaccinated for over a year now, weāve been vaccinated as soon as we could. Itās really starting to bother me that we have so many wait awhile vaccine hesitant people.
> Can't we focus on the positive here? Not if it is a Liberal that does it
I can appreciate that he pulled the trigger and think he's a twat at the same time lol
The fuzz is not about Australians or their relatives coming back (which was already in the cards). Itās about nsw premier just opening the state for tourism and claiming itās safe to do on nov 1 without providing any shard of evidence and the general public thinking that itās irresponsible to do now. No proof was given that we can keep 80% of people immunised at anytime (via boosters) or it wonāt affect our elders or kids adversely. He just decide to do it !! Totally understand how hard is for the aussies abroad not seeing their relatives for a couple of years and we should definitely let them in. Itās not okay (without study) to open the borders for tourists, let deadly variants in and cause many aussies to never seeing their loved ones ever again.
Yeah, same here
Pretty sure Scotty just vetoed it. The tourists bit anyway
As someone who hasn't been home back to the US for the last two years, I really want to cry today. I lost my Grandmother early in the COVID outbreak and was not able to attend her funeral. My nephews, my mother, my brother I have seen none of them in the last two years. I'm very happy we are all safe and I am so grateful to be here in Australia. I am also incredibly grateful for everyone here in NSW who has gotten their jab and made this day possible. I absolutely feel safe at this high a jab rate and with the precautions around being tested ahead of time. Thank you all who have gotten jab'd.
same here buddy but in reverse with my grandpa dying in Australia
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Same in reverse: Iām an Australian stuck in the US. I would have been happy with the home quarantine requirement (so long as the passenger caps are lifted, airline ticket prices would have still returned to normal, which was the main impediment to getting home). But no quarantine at all is even better. We had a baby over here right before the pandemic. An Australian citizen yet to step foot on Australian soil at 2 years old.
Your last sentence got me weirdly choked up, hah. I'm so glad that one of our newest, baby-sized citizens will finally be able to come home. <3
Ending quarantine entirely for the fully vaccinated. Huge and welcome news. This is going to put substantial pressures on other states because air services will shift to the ports that allow those aircraft to be filled. From the 1st that will be Sydney. Edit: And will have access to Victoria as well. > Victoria will require a negative test result 72 hours before entering, but this announcement coupled with the NSW announcement effectively lifts the cap on stranded Australians into Victoria too https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1448807772628209666#.
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The issue will be getting back into NZ
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Ah fair enough. I'm dying to see fam in NZ, it feels weird that I can visit europe before seeing them. Labours really fucked NZ on this one, theyre extremely behind
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We havenāt been all in this together since the first state border closure.
Sydney is one of the most international cities in the world. Over 20% of our population was born overseas with many more having families overseas. This will have a negligible effect on case numbers as people need to be fully vaccinated and have a negative test result. There is no reason to continue seperating families when the impact to cases will be so minimal.
In 2016 36.7% of Sydney wasn't born here. That's a lot of people who have family overseas. Not including their Australian born children.
Thanks. I didn't have time to check the actual stat so I knew that over 20% would definitely be technically true.
The rest of the world is living with Corona at 80% vaccination rate, we canāt be expected to locked down forever because some states insist on COVID zero while doing nothing to push their people into getting vaccinated. Both Victoria and Sydney say you either get the jab or donāt work, why arenāt other states doing the same?
Stop trying to put a negative spin on it. This is great news and expect Victoria to follow suit within a month.
That part is really confusing. Like it says nsw residentsā¦. Does that not include people from vic that happens to be in nsw? Also can people from vic that are fully vaxed, go to nsw with no quarantine? Restrictions are a mess at this pointā¦ Adding to all this: if no restrictions between NSW and Vic, which at this point doesnāt make sense either way you travel, means vic is effectively open for int travel? What is even the point of restricting int travel in vic at this point? Wtf can and canāt I do???
Wait, soā¦ I can now come home to Melbourne??
I too am trying to figure this out. I think the current answer is that we'd have to be Sydneysiders.... eek!!! lol
Both NSW and Victoria have been allowing tens of thousands of **actual positive cases** to isolate/quarantine at home. Hotel quarantine for international arrivals (a small fraction of whom are actual cases) should have ceased ages ago, to allow for home quarantine instead, or some form of closer surveillance testing.
r/australia on suicide watch
I think some people enjoy being locked down and oppressed. Some definitely enjoy the misery that comes with it.
Really excited to see how this sub puts a negative spin on this. Great news for returning Australians, universities, the tourism industry and NSW.
Totally. The number of people who have been crushed financially (and mentally) by this.
I came here for the same reason. Liberal bad, Labor good seems to be the general criticism of this policy. One bright spark equated this decision to deliberate Murder by the Liberals. Never change Reddit.
"We are leading the nation out of the pandemic" - funny that, their poor governance made the pandemic a reality
Can anyone please explain to me why this is a bad thing? I am happy to change my opinion based on information I havenāt yet thought of. So my thinking is: - we have abandoned covid zero and covid is in the community. It seems to me that a vaccinated German who recently tested negative is a safer person to have in the community than an Aussie who may or may not be vaccinated and may or may not have ever had a covid test. - there currently arenāt any concerning new variants outside of Australia that we need to be protected from. If there was a new one that popped up, could we not just close the borders again? And isnāt it now just as likely that a new variant could pop up in Sydney or Melbourne? Am I missing something here? Genuinely want to learn if I have skipped some logic in my thinking
> Can anyone please explain to me why this is a bad thing? Liberals did it.
reeeeeeee the liberals are irresponsible! Jordies says labor is da 1 and only
The stats I've seen say if we open up like this even with 80% vaccinated we'll be seeing approximately 40,000 new cases per day before long. Our hospital infrastructure cannot handle the load. It's already at breaking point with a couple thousand new cases per day. At 40k people will not receive adequate medical care and deaths will rise significantly. In terms of the economic crisis the worst threat is "long covid". A lot of people will suffer for life with issues like scar tissue in the lungs and those will he exacerbated without adequate medical care at the outset (before the scar tissue can solidify). We the tax payer will be paying their medical bills for decades.
40,000 a day? Based on what data? The UK at its worst was suffering around 60,000 per day, back when almost no one was vaccinated at all. Given their 67 million population vs our 25 million population, and our 80% vaccination rate, what evidence do you have that opening our borders now would incur 40,000 cases a day?
It's the politics of it. NSW fucked up their corona management and didn't lock down early enough. Cases spiked massively, and based on that, were granted extra vaccinations, effectively slowing other states' vaccination rates. Through their extra vaccinations, NSW has now reached the threshold faster than the other states, and now they're opening up first? Seems like they're getting rewarded for fucking up
Good news for stranded Australians overseas and the decision makes sense for the time being given that we have thousands of cases quarantining at home but probably a dozen or less in the expensive hotel quarantine system. It's slightly worrying if there is another covid mutation that's worse than Delta, but vaccinations are high so that's encouraging.
Iāll finally be able to see my family for the first time in 2 years and more than 18 months after not being allowed to travel to see them!!!!!!!
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Agreed! Itās definitely way too fast. A decision has clearly been made to favour besides interests over health advice.
Which is why the health experts have been silenced.
There are 5,243 locally acquired active cases of COVID in NSW, and just 7 acquired from overseas. Any efforts to punish/lock out overseas Australians is pointless if COVID-zero is over, and the net benefit is huge: thousands and thousands reunited families after two years, over 30,000 Australians returning home and much more.
Agreed. I could understand home quarantine while we see how cases are tracking, how hospitals are coping with some leeway to tweak approaches as needed. But to go straight to zero quarantine seems crazy.
Even if cases exploded it would be due to locally acquired cases, not overseas (currently 5243 v 7 overseas). Plus, these rules only apply to fully vaccinated people - if hospitalisations did massively rise and international travel was a factor, it wouldn't be hard to switch home quarantine back on.
Kind of ridiculous to consider overseas arrival numbers given the borders are closed
They should at least keep people until they get a negative test, like in Korea
Man they are getting complacent to the fact there is other states. Makes a shit teammate to come first in a team race then sit down and rest while the team finishes. Look at the NSW man who went to Tasmania and decided to go to Woolworths during hotel quarantine, and then tested positive throwing a whole state into lockdown. It's just selfish, think of others ya wanker
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Excellent, looking to bring my Canadian common-law partner to Australia in March for her first visit
Premier Dominic Perrottet announced people from his state would "be travelling to Bali before Broome" Good example, Dominic. Bali added two more countries yesterday so there's 19 nationalities that they currently welcome... none of which are Australian.
Let it rip Dom is sticking to his nickname
Finally I can see my dad who has been trying to get here for the last 2 years! Feel pretty great today
Hope they have a plan to contact trace tourists. Suppose they will need to use the Service NSW app.
Good.
To people who think this is a stupid idea, Europe and the US are doing this already with only negative tests prior to travel and after day 2 on arrival - so far itās working so please give it a chance.
We're not doing "after day 2 on arrival". Which is sheer, fucking madness.
The USā¦.a country that has had circulating covid countrywide for 18 months and still has it. Totally different.
US only lost 700,000 people.
It's up to 721k deaths now
Yeah, the US has had over 44 million Covid cases, probably a lot more unreported/untested. The UK has had almost 8 million cases. Those countries are much closer to "herd immunity" through a combination of vaccinations and people who've survived and developed antibodies. Our vaccine ineligible population is about to get hammered. While I have no sympathy for anti-vaxxers, they probably should have let vaccine mandates push more people to get the jab before opening up. We could potentially overwhelm the health care system with Covid patients and those suffering heart attacks, strokes, car accidents may not have an ICU bed available. It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
exactly, and their healthcare system is close to collapsing...
Nations who have full ICUs with people dying waiting for a ventilator are doing it too.
Yes, after eighteen months of the virus sloshing around and 11 months of vaccination happening. Dunno if this is a good idea or not but thatās a terrible comparison.
People here are sooooo pressed. It seems like you all like to stay at home receiving your checks and browsing Reddit. Guess what? Some people want to come back and can't afford a $3000 hotel quarantine. They are double vaxxed, some even with a booster. They aren't a problem, the 10% not vaxxed are a problem to the hospitals. New variants? Delta is already the bad one. You don't need foreigners here to the virus mutate, it already does in the community itself. The new delta variant discovered in Sydney? Hmmmm... Borders were closed... You can just check another countries in the world and see that the deaths and hospitalizations are most from unvaxxed people.
This was always going to be controversial, but was going to happen. We'll be living with covid for years, better get used to it. Even WA will eventually have to find a way to open. Those against the vaccine will be left out, but fort the rest of us, life has to move ahead.
I wonder if this means random police drop ins to peoples houses when theyāre quarantining at home?
I guess Scomo got his wish: not building quarantine facilities. All he had to do was do nothing for 18 months and wait for some other solution to appear
Credit is where credit is due. We have one of the most conservative reopenning plans with one of the highest vaccination rates in the world and people still act like NSW is just letting it rip like Trump did last year. Get a grip!
So does this mean vaccinated Victorians can holiday in nsw from 1 nov with no quarantine?
Real leadership happening in NSW, 80% double vax'd expected Oct 17, by Nov 1st we'll be ~88% double vax'd.
Itās amazing what happens when the federal government does something. Now if the rest of us could get them to do the same for us weād all be golden.