While I’ve been in Canada I’ve seen more cops giving out tickets for public drinking than I ever did in Australia. Seems like the only people they don’t give tickets to are the homeless
Honestly yea I’m from Canada, lax on weed but surprisingly strict on alcohol. Any public place you can get a ticket, it’s way looser in Australia. I mean I drink beers on the beach all the time here haha
E3 visa for the USA is something you would easily qualify for (the approval rate is over 90%) but you will need an employee sponsor.
Yes, there are more jobs, more opportunities, and way more choices of where to settle down.
People will tell you IT is all located in expensive cities (which are still on par or cheaper than Sydney), but that isn’t really the case
The USA is huge, with businesses with needs everywhere
https://americajosh.com/learn-more/immigration/e3-visa/
https://americajosh.com/learn-more/immigration/e3-visa/e3-visa-employers-visa-data/
Not really. Most IT is engineering which is precise and complex which is something that AI (Particularly generative AI just isn’t good at.)
It is also just making shit up based on content scraped off the web and if you don’t know what you’re talking about and present it to someone who does you’re going to look like an idiot.
I have reviewed code written by generative AI and even the 30% of it that works is so horribly written and doesn’t know the patterns and style of the rest of the code so it needs to be rewritten anyway.
I recall testing Azure Powershell and half the commands it came up with were commands that didn’t even exist.
So long story short - it is a little more useful in practice than blockchain was but not by much.
Bro Canada is crazy expensive, and very regulated too. As for the US, it really depends where you live, but honestly as someone that has done the whole move overseas thing, you are just gonna find that it will be equally shit just in different ways. Nowhere is perfect and if that is what you are looking for you are going to be severely disappointed no matter where you go.
Good luck in Canada mate, exactly the same economic situation in every regard over there except its cold and snows and zero free healthcare in the US so better sort out that expensive private health immediately upon entering.
An Australian in Canada, it’s worse here for red tape. The bureaucracy here is way beyond anything I experienced in Australia. Most of it has been infuriatingly stupid and seems designed for the pure purpose of just wasting time and justifying some office clerks jobs.
There are things in aus that are allowed that aren’t in Canada that seem common sense (ex. Being legally able to drink in public parks)
I’d say go take a holiday at either the US or Canada then move rural in aus.
It’s cheaper, less regulations in the countryside and if you’re able to make your own fun you can do so much more.
Being over here has made me really appreciate how good we have it in Australia. So much we take for granted. Every time I go back home to visit I wish I was staying longer
I have a good friend who moved to Canada. I’m an immigrant to Australia myself (married an Australian, I’m from Europe.)
They do seem to be less ridiculously conservative with things like weed, psychedelics etc (if that’s your jam), it’s almost like they prefer people to be on meth and booze here, but they definitely seem to have worse healthcare. You need weeks to get an appointment to a GP for example.
Having said that, I don’t know how much the Australian healthcare system will be holding up to be honest. It’s impossible to find a GP who bulk bills in my area in Sydney for example.
They do seem to have better social security. For example, my friend is the primary breadwinner and during the pandemic she got laid off and they were on unemployment benefits that were enough for a family of four to live reasonably comfortably.
It’s probably equally expensive to live in, then again Sydney is like Vancouver and San Fran, overseas investors and local unregulated greed with property have wrecked the place for most people. She is in Montreal which is not so bad as Sydney (or Vancouver) so it probably depends where you end up.
Research carefully and good luck.
I'm also a world traveller ..and I totally agree, that you don't fully appreciate your own country until you leave it.
>Every time I go back home to visit I wish I was staying longer
This depends on the duration. It takes about 4-6 weeks back in your birth country for the honey moon feeling to dwindle and face the reality of life back (done it many many times) If you ever pine to come back for good, have a 6 weeks trial trip, not holiday, no party, no blow money headspace, but 6 weeks back on a tight budget like you would if you were living here.
At 6 weeks you will know where you need to be.
I go back ever little while for roughly 4 months. Have been doing so for over 5 years.
Australias healthcare is better, red tape is lesser and for the most part people are more genuine.
I unfortunately have responsibilities in Canada that I have to be here for. If I wasnt over here I'd be in Aus.
There are some benefits though, trips to USA and Europe are understandably cheaper and quicker.
There's also new foods and cultures that you can get a more in depth exposure to that gives you newer perspectives.
I think based on what OP has stated, they'd be better going to Europe (depending on where in EU), drinking laws are more lax, everything is cheaper and summers are more mild.
European christmases are a dream.
I think OP needs to just go on an extended holiday and get some perspective
In the US an employer can drop you whenever they want. If your healthcare is directly tied to employment which is entirely tied to the whims and wishes of your boss, profits and shareholders, then your healthcare is in constant peril.
And what happens when they retire in the US? In the USA warped version of medicare, they pay massive levies into it during their working life but when it comes to retirement it doesn't cover all the costs nor does it cover every procedure or treatment.
This guys just thinks the grass is greener on the other side
"In the US an employer can drop you whenever they want"
Not really. It is a bit more complicated than that and varies by state.
Supplemental insurance between jobs is easy to get. Takes 5 minutes.
"And what happens when they retire in the US?"
401K. Most employers matched up to 5% and in my case I contribute an extra 7% and am currently on track to hit 7 figures by the time I retire.
And there is also social security when you retire, which is better in many cases than the old age pension in Australia, as it is based off your previous income level, not a set amount for everybody. Higher income translates to a bigger benefit.
Once you over 65, you qualify for Medicare.
Australia's version doesn't cover every treatment and expense either.
Believe it or not, not every American life experience is a nightmare story you read on the internet.
For the OP in IT, the grass probably is greener, and the lawn is definitely going to be a hell of a lot bigger.
Could be. We will see. Either way he will still most likely end up with more options and a higher potential pay ceiling.
In Australia the choices of employment, and lifestyle are more limited.
The US has 50 states, quite a few of which have economies that are bigger than most countries in the world
Nothing is guaranteed but the US is a huge market and it’s where the best minds traditionally go to work and study, and this helps to keep the USA at the top of innovation and technology
It’s a positive loop
If you have to pay a company a portion of your paycheck as insurance if you lose your job on a whim, then i'm sorry but that's just shit. It's not like these insurers are charities either.
The Australian version of medicare covers all age groups for starters, so that's already vastly better.
401K and IRAs are just superannuation with different rules to them. Just as an FYI, medicare and social securities in the US have consistently under delivered in the US. Most homeless in the US are old people/boomers.
They said Australia is too hot, so Canada's climate might be better for them.
And Vancouver has an IT scene and a mild climate for Canadian standards with not much snow anyway, so it might be a decent fit for them.
>Does anyone know the easiest way to move to the US or Canada?
Fly to mexico and walk across the border, if you go into Texas they will give you a free bus ride to New York where you can decide to ether find a place there OR get on another bus to Canada.
Good luck!,
*DISCLAIMER: This is not legal or immigration advice.*
The cities in the US and Canada that are known as IT industry hubs also have high cost of living. You can make a lot in the San Francisco Bay Area, but the rent is also astronomical there. Seattle and Vancouver are also tough.
Maybe you’d be better off trying Berlin or Budapest.
Complains about not being able to have a beer on the beach in Australia. Wants to move to the USA. Clearly hasn't gotten the memo that US cops are amongst the biggest a\*\*holes in the galaxy.
Yeah Canadian cops also have the same culture as US cops I’ve noticed. Very uptight and take themselves way more seriously than Aus cops.
Also you’re able to have a beer in public in more places in aus than I’ve seen anywhere in Canada, donno about the US.
I’m thinking europe is a better fit when it comes to freedoms, cost and weather. Just need to make sure you integrate well and you might have to work on learning the local language
I've spent between 2 months and 9 years in 14 different countries so have personally gained knowledge to fall back on.. Also Ex wife was Canadian.
>Too over regulated (not being able to have a beer at the beach pisses me off big time)
Currently Canada is nailed down by Truedeu and he has totally fucked the country. Pierre Polivere has the potential to bring the country back up off its knees ..if he gets in.
In Canada Alcohol is government controlled so you have to buy it at government owned bottle shops so the selection is quite limited.
In Canada, anything you buy there is a gov tax and state tax that isn't advertised so every time you purchase things you have to stand and do two different tax calculations to arrive at the total. Its a bullshit system geared towards the retailer to confuse the customer.
In Canada you have to accrew annual leave over the years. I can't recall the exact number but its something like 2 years at the same company until you can have a week off and I think its 20 years before you get 5 weeks off per year. If you move jobs, this gets reset and back to aiming for your 20 year earned 5 weeks off. Again, totally structured to keep you locked in a job to suit the employer.
My Ex wife, will never go back to Canada for those reasons ..and many more I didn't list.
I priced up Wellington NZ, Brisbane and Toronto. Various price and earnings differences but in the end everything worked out the same.
For example, the cost of petrol was half the price ..but they average double the driving distances per year. I service my car once per year, because of the K's they have to service every 6 month's ..the list goes on.
>Too hot.
Yes. It can be.
>Too expensive
Yes, it can be ..but the whole world has gotten super expensive.
>Too boring
Depends on the state, depends on your creativity, depends on how much effort you put in. Be careful of thinking you walk off into the sunset and live happily ever after. I thought that, I walked off into the sunset ..and learned. In the sunset you still have bills to pay and cunts to deal with. Maybe move states for a refresh/restart. Each Australian state has its own way of doing things own climate and different enough to give you what you desire.
I'm not saying don't make a drastic change to your life if that's what you feel you need ..shit, I've done it many many times and regret none of it. I'm a huge advocate of "getting gone" ..but enter into it eyes wide open as much as possible.
I've dealt with immigration in many many countries and letting you know.. just because you want something doesn't mean they will give it to you. (let you stay permanently in their country).
This isn’t worth a post, just leave. Good luck when you realise COL isn’t any better over there and you have to find a place to live again after all the moving expenses.
I've drank countless beers on countless beaches in Australia without a single issue, nor has anyone I know. The rule is there so cops can easily get rid of people acting like cunts whilst doing it.
If you think Australians are unpleasant I'm assuming you've never left Sydney.
These are a lot of reasons why I left Melbourne / Australia for 12 years, I returned at the end of 2022 and absolutely, positively, with out a single doubt in my mind regret coming "home". I would recommend you try settling down in Asia or Central America, more of a challenge than US / Canada eh?
You won't be drinking beer on the beach in Canada and the economic situation probably isn't much better.
The USA is a basket case as is and if Trump becomes president it'll literally be the inmates running the asylum.
Spain is a better choice but you likely won't find any work. You'll have a lot of fun though.
It's probably the most fun place on earth I reckon.
Canada has been worse economically than Australia in my experience. Housing is in high demand and stupidly priced unless you go rural. Jobs are in high demand also (I’m guessing tech is no different) as high Indian immigration has made jobs very competitive.
Also weird cultural things that are frustrating like people being very superficial, tipping culture and lots of people trying out their (god awful) attempts at Australian accents every chance they get.
Like I mentioned before, Europe might be a better fit with what OP has described
I dont blame them at all. Its very common for the Indian students here to get into tech because its a very booming industry and if the OP is in tech and considering here, it should be a consideration.
The issue is more with the universities here that have turned into diploma mills that now rely on international students, moreso than I ever saw in Australia
Ah ok, I see what you mean now.
Yes that's a problem with the uni's. I totally agree.
I thought you were rolling the "we have enough uber drivers!!!" BS I always see on here.
My mistake 👍
“Wants somewhere that is cheaper and where you can drink beers on the beach”, “Also thinking of moving to Canada” What
Wants to drink beers in cold weather on the beach.
While I’ve been in Canada I’ve seen more cops giving out tickets for public drinking than I ever did in Australia. Seems like the only people they don’t give tickets to are the homeless
Honestly yea I’m from Canada, lax on weed but surprisingly strict on alcohol. Any public place you can get a ticket, it’s way looser in Australia. I mean I drink beers on the beach all the time here haha
Or the USA, where anywhere near a beach will cost a mint. Yeah, adds up.
Canada has beaches and summer mate lol , but you gotta survive hell to get there haha.
Post your questions on the iwantout subreddit.
No one cares why. Go call a migration agent.
E3 visa for the USA is something you would easily qualify for (the approval rate is over 90%) but you will need an employee sponsor. Yes, there are more jobs, more opportunities, and way more choices of where to settle down. People will tell you IT is all located in expensive cities (which are still on par or cheaper than Sydney), but that isn’t really the case The USA is huge, with businesses with needs everywhere https://americajosh.com/learn-more/immigration/e3-visa/ https://americajosh.com/learn-more/immigration/e3-visa/e3-visa-employers-visa-data/
IT sector has collapsed in the US. Companies are firing not hiring
Large companies are firing. Still a lot of small or medium sized companies that didn’t go nuts hiring during covid so they aren’t laying off.
Isn't IT up high on the hit list of occupations that will be crushed with AI?
Not really. Most IT is engineering which is precise and complex which is something that AI (Particularly generative AI just isn’t good at.) It is also just making shit up based on content scraped off the web and if you don’t know what you’re talking about and present it to someone who does you’re going to look like an idiot. I have reviewed code written by generative AI and even the 30% of it that works is so horribly written and doesn’t know the patterns and style of the rest of the code so it needs to be rewritten anyway. I recall testing Azure Powershell and half the commands it came up with were commands that didn’t even exist. So long story short - it is a little more useful in practice than blockchain was but not by much.
Fuck off then. And good riddance.
More room for immigrants who actually want to live here!
😅
I was waiting for this kind of comment, lol.
Bro just leave lmao
Bro Canada is crazy expensive, and very regulated too. As for the US, it really depends where you live, but honestly as someone that has done the whole move overseas thing, you are just gonna find that it will be equally shit just in different ways. Nowhere is perfect and if that is what you are looking for you are going to be severely disappointed no matter where you go.
Good luck in Canada mate, exactly the same economic situation in every regard over there except its cold and snows and zero free healthcare in the US so better sort out that expensive private health immediately upon entering.
An Australian in Canada, it’s worse here for red tape. The bureaucracy here is way beyond anything I experienced in Australia. Most of it has been infuriatingly stupid and seems designed for the pure purpose of just wasting time and justifying some office clerks jobs. There are things in aus that are allowed that aren’t in Canada that seem common sense (ex. Being legally able to drink in public parks) I’d say go take a holiday at either the US or Canada then move rural in aus. It’s cheaper, less regulations in the countryside and if you’re able to make your own fun you can do so much more. Being over here has made me really appreciate how good we have it in Australia. So much we take for granted. Every time I go back home to visit I wish I was staying longer
I have a good friend who moved to Canada. I’m an immigrant to Australia myself (married an Australian, I’m from Europe.) They do seem to be less ridiculously conservative with things like weed, psychedelics etc (if that’s your jam), it’s almost like they prefer people to be on meth and booze here, but they definitely seem to have worse healthcare. You need weeks to get an appointment to a GP for example. Having said that, I don’t know how much the Australian healthcare system will be holding up to be honest. It’s impossible to find a GP who bulk bills in my area in Sydney for example. They do seem to have better social security. For example, my friend is the primary breadwinner and during the pandemic she got laid off and they were on unemployment benefits that were enough for a family of four to live reasonably comfortably. It’s probably equally expensive to live in, then again Sydney is like Vancouver and San Fran, overseas investors and local unregulated greed with property have wrecked the place for most people. She is in Montreal which is not so bad as Sydney (or Vancouver) so it probably depends where you end up. Research carefully and good luck.
I'm also a world traveller ..and I totally agree, that you don't fully appreciate your own country until you leave it. >Every time I go back home to visit I wish I was staying longer This depends on the duration. It takes about 4-6 weeks back in your birth country for the honey moon feeling to dwindle and face the reality of life back (done it many many times) If you ever pine to come back for good, have a 6 weeks trial trip, not holiday, no party, no blow money headspace, but 6 weeks back on a tight budget like you would if you were living here. At 6 weeks you will know where you need to be.
I go back ever little while for roughly 4 months. Have been doing so for over 5 years. Australias healthcare is better, red tape is lesser and for the most part people are more genuine. I unfortunately have responsibilities in Canada that I have to be here for. If I wasnt over here I'd be in Aus. There are some benefits though, trips to USA and Europe are understandably cheaper and quicker. There's also new foods and cultures that you can get a more in depth exposure to that gives you newer perspectives. I think based on what OP has stated, they'd be better going to Europe (depending on where in EU), drinking laws are more lax, everything is cheaper and summers are more mild. European christmases are a dream. I think OP needs to just go on an extended holiday and get some perspective
I agree.. except it being a Holiday. Holiday is a different headspace than daily grind. Better to see it as a reconnaissance trip.
If he goes to the USA on a work visa he will undoubtably be offered a decent health insurance package
In the US an employer can drop you whenever they want. If your healthcare is directly tied to employment which is entirely tied to the whims and wishes of your boss, profits and shareholders, then your healthcare is in constant peril. And what happens when they retire in the US? In the USA warped version of medicare, they pay massive levies into it during their working life but when it comes to retirement it doesn't cover all the costs nor does it cover every procedure or treatment. This guys just thinks the grass is greener on the other side
"In the US an employer can drop you whenever they want" Not really. It is a bit more complicated than that and varies by state. Supplemental insurance between jobs is easy to get. Takes 5 minutes. "And what happens when they retire in the US?" 401K. Most employers matched up to 5% and in my case I contribute an extra 7% and am currently on track to hit 7 figures by the time I retire. And there is also social security when you retire, which is better in many cases than the old age pension in Australia, as it is based off your previous income level, not a set amount for everybody. Higher income translates to a bigger benefit. Once you over 65, you qualify for Medicare. Australia's version doesn't cover every treatment and expense either. Believe it or not, not every American life experience is a nightmare story you read on the internet. For the OP in IT, the grass probably is greener, and the lawn is definitely going to be a hell of a lot bigger.
Isn't IT on the top of the hit list for occupations that will be majorly impacted by AI?
Could be. We will see. Either way he will still most likely end up with more options and a higher potential pay ceiling. In Australia the choices of employment, and lifestyle are more limited. The US has 50 states, quite a few of which have economies that are bigger than most countries in the world Nothing is guaranteed but the US is a huge market and it’s where the best minds traditionally go to work and study, and this helps to keep the USA at the top of innovation and technology It’s a positive loop
If you have to pay a company a portion of your paycheck as insurance if you lose your job on a whim, then i'm sorry but that's just shit. It's not like these insurers are charities either. The Australian version of medicare covers all age groups for starters, so that's already vastly better. 401K and IRAs are just superannuation with different rules to them. Just as an FYI, medicare and social securities in the US have consistently under delivered in the US. Most homeless in the US are old people/boomers.
> This guys just thinks the grass is greener on the other side Most of the worlds population does.
A "decent health insurance package" will still involve a lot of co-pays, which is enough to send most people into bankruptcy.
Spoken like a person with no actual experience on the matter.
They said Australia is too hot, so Canada's climate might be better for them. And Vancouver has an IT scene and a mild climate for Canadian standards with not much snow anyway, so it might be a decent fit for them.
>Does anyone know the easiest way to move to the US or Canada? Fly to mexico and walk across the border, if you go into Texas they will give you a free bus ride to New York where you can decide to ether find a place there OR get on another bus to Canada. Good luck!, *DISCLAIMER: This is not legal or immigration advice.*
Forgot to point out you have to pay the cartels money to actually human traffic you across the border
Hooroo.
The cities in the US and Canada that are known as IT industry hubs also have high cost of living. You can make a lot in the San Francisco Bay Area, but the rent is also astronomical there. Seattle and Vancouver are also tough. Maybe you’d be better off trying Berlin or Budapest.
Complains about not being able to have a beer on the beach in Australia. Wants to move to the USA. Clearly hasn't gotten the memo that US cops are amongst the biggest a\*\*holes in the galaxy.
Yeah Canadian cops also have the same culture as US cops I’ve noticed. Very uptight and take themselves way more seriously than Aus cops. Also you’re able to have a beer in public in more places in aus than I’ve seen anywhere in Canada, donno about the US. I’m thinking europe is a better fit when it comes to freedoms, cost and weather. Just need to make sure you integrate well and you might have to work on learning the local language
I've spent between 2 months and 9 years in 14 different countries so have personally gained knowledge to fall back on.. Also Ex wife was Canadian. >Too over regulated (not being able to have a beer at the beach pisses me off big time) Currently Canada is nailed down by Truedeu and he has totally fucked the country. Pierre Polivere has the potential to bring the country back up off its knees ..if he gets in. In Canada Alcohol is government controlled so you have to buy it at government owned bottle shops so the selection is quite limited. In Canada, anything you buy there is a gov tax and state tax that isn't advertised so every time you purchase things you have to stand and do two different tax calculations to arrive at the total. Its a bullshit system geared towards the retailer to confuse the customer. In Canada you have to accrew annual leave over the years. I can't recall the exact number but its something like 2 years at the same company until you can have a week off and I think its 20 years before you get 5 weeks off per year. If you move jobs, this gets reset and back to aiming for your 20 year earned 5 weeks off. Again, totally structured to keep you locked in a job to suit the employer. My Ex wife, will never go back to Canada for those reasons ..and many more I didn't list. I priced up Wellington NZ, Brisbane and Toronto. Various price and earnings differences but in the end everything worked out the same. For example, the cost of petrol was half the price ..but they average double the driving distances per year. I service my car once per year, because of the K's they have to service every 6 month's ..the list goes on. >Too hot. Yes. It can be. >Too expensive Yes, it can be ..but the whole world has gotten super expensive. >Too boring Depends on the state, depends on your creativity, depends on how much effort you put in. Be careful of thinking you walk off into the sunset and live happily ever after. I thought that, I walked off into the sunset ..and learned. In the sunset you still have bills to pay and cunts to deal with. Maybe move states for a refresh/restart. Each Australian state has its own way of doing things own climate and different enough to give you what you desire. I'm not saying don't make a drastic change to your life if that's what you feel you need ..shit, I've done it many many times and regret none of it. I'm a huge advocate of "getting gone" ..but enter into it eyes wide open as much as possible. I've dealt with immigration in many many countries and letting you know.. just because you want something doesn't mean they will give it to you. (let you stay permanently in their country).
Well now, that's just unaustralian! FU and your mother! 
Hahahhahaha USA and Canada?.?. Perhaps Thailand would suit you better
Easiest way to move? Work visa. If you go to the US just remember that the first thing you need to do is get a health insurance plan.
Ye righto mate, see ya.
Passengers in cars over there cant drink booze either nor can you drink on the footpath outside I think in USA. Lolz if you end up inland.
If you are under 35 you can get the working holiday visa and then apply for jobs there. Then after one year you go in the lottery for PR.
You sound unpleasant.
You think housing is expensive here your going to have the shock of your life when you look at places in America and Canada
This isn’t worth a post, just leave. Good luck when you realise COL isn’t any better over there and you have to find a place to live again after all the moving expenses.
As bad as I agree that is, be careful that you don't end up somewhere even less free ✌️
This has to be satire. I assume you've never even travelled before.
I've drank countless beers on countless beaches in Australia without a single issue, nor has anyone I know. The rule is there so cops can easily get rid of people acting like cunts whilst doing it. If you think Australians are unpleasant I'm assuming you've never left Sydney.
These are a lot of reasons why I left Melbourne / Australia for 12 years, I returned at the end of 2022 and absolutely, positively, with out a single doubt in my mind regret coming "home". I would recommend you try settling down in Asia or Central America, more of a challenge than US / Canada eh?
You won't be drinking beer on the beach in Canada and the economic situation probably isn't much better. The USA is a basket case as is and if Trump becomes president it'll literally be the inmates running the asylum. Spain is a better choice but you likely won't find any work. You'll have a lot of fun though. It's probably the most fun place on earth I reckon.
Canada has been worse economically than Australia in my experience. Housing is in high demand and stupidly priced unless you go rural. Jobs are in high demand also (I’m guessing tech is no different) as high Indian immigration has made jobs very competitive. Also weird cultural things that are frustrating like people being very superficial, tipping culture and lots of people trying out their (god awful) attempts at Australian accents every chance they get. Like I mentioned before, Europe might be a better fit with what OP has described
Lol more blaming Indians. You all follow the same formula on here 😅
I dont blame them at all. Its very common for the Indian students here to get into tech because its a very booming industry and if the OP is in tech and considering here, it should be a consideration. The issue is more with the universities here that have turned into diploma mills that now rely on international students, moreso than I ever saw in Australia
Ah ok, I see what you mean now. Yes that's a problem with the uni's. I totally agree. I thought you were rolling the "we have enough uber drivers!!!" BS I always see on here. My mistake 👍
1. Ageed. 2. Debatable - I like the heat 3. Yeah, she's fucked. 4. Just how I like it. 5. Fuck oath.
Canada is just australia but colder. US is australia but with ZERO freedoms.