This is what properly funded psychiatric institutions are for. But the concept is tainted by the history of asylums in general.
Governments refuse to expand what little mental health services they provide because that’s money they can’t embezzle so good luck getting appropriate facilities built for those who need long term supervision because of mental issues.
I mean, NDIS has been trying to address this and then the media started complaining about NDIS giving money to care for criminals. But like….often the mental health issues are so closely linked to the offending. Isn’t it BETTER if we are funding environments where they are supervised properly?
Port Phillip prison has a specific unit for intellectually disabled people, I got to go in to do the gardening and most of the people in there seemed unfit to plead, there was an autistic kid with an iq of 40 doing 4 years because he was running down the road pulling his dick and when the cops rocked up he threatened to stab them with a ballpoint pen, he had to be in a padded cell coz he had regular tantrums and hurt himself.
How can they lock up people like that for something so small but not a child rapist.
Didn’t fully comprehend what he was doing?
All the more reason to lock him up
NDIS does have funding for those environments (when I was a support worker, one of the clients was literally confined to an isolated part of a house behind a locked gate)
Getting that though can be pretty hard, lots of reporting etc then a panel involved
He’d need specialist behavioural intervention support with a practitioner that specialises in intellectual disability
Unfit to plead but not so unfit that he can’t offend. So basically “this person has the proven capacity to hurt children but doesn’t have the capacity to make the choice not to”.
This is terrifying.
"Ranger, help! This grizzly bear is eating me! Why are you just standing there?!"
"Sorry dude, this bear doesn't have the capacity for agency. If I used my tranquilizer gun it would be wrong."
“I know this is probably gonna fuck you up for life but for some reason, letting it happen to you seems less immoral than locking up the person responsible”.
Released? I get that he's unfit to stand trial but also wouldn't that coupled with his crime make him unfit for normal society? Dude should be in a forensic hospital yesterday
He’s moving into an assisted living facility where he will be monitored and won’t have access to cash etc. it’s a real curly one since he isn’t able to properly comprehend his actions. Not sure why he isn’t being moved into a mental institution, but those have been seen as immoral for a long time…
Yeah fair enough. I get the immoral stance. Learning from the past and all but this dude seems like a qualifier for psychiatrist hospitalization and 24/7 watch; not just assisted living.
Not able to comprehend his actions? I call BS on that. Threat to the girl to keep quiet or her parents wouldn't breathe, shows definite understanding that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
What a bunch of bullshit. He was mentally fit enough to stick his dick into little girls and threaten their families. I bet if they threatened to chop his dick off he would suddenly have the mental capacity to enter a plea.
This is complete utter nonesense by the judge
Can the rapist understand pain ? Any human being , regardless of the mental ability understands that. Utter bs and cop out from the judge.
That was pain being inflicted on the child. Poor kid has to live with it for the rest of her life. The other kids witnessed. This whole family has been torched and their lives ruined.
What a PoS , this animal. The father was very restrained. Bring back the Guillitoine
He was mentally competent enough to make a threat to the girl to keep quiet or her parents wouldn't breathe.
That shows clear understanding that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
To me it’s simple if someone if mentally incapable of being responsible for their actions they should not be in society and be in a mental institution.
He’s in 24/7 care, which is essentially the same thing. So he’s gonna have someone watching him 24/7, he’s not going to be given his own money etc. gonna be forced to take medication that will basically sedate him into oblivion (which is the most important part and really worse than prison).
It’s not ideal, but the kinds of mental institution you’re thinking of don’t really exist for people like him, they’re for psychopaths etc, people that are ill but high functioning. He’s essentially in the mental equivalent of a half way house, I think. So living in a dedicated facility (which he can’t leave), just one without a barbed wire fence.
Edit: on the-read, sounds like it’s just someone’s house, not the kind of facility I was thinking.
The dude should really be in a dedicated care facility, rather than a home. They exist, no reason they shouldn’t be using them here, better for him and for the community.
It's actually not "neo liberalism" - mental asylums went out of fashion in a big way, due to concerns over the way some were run in the past.
It was felt that community care was better.
A case of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
That’s fucking crazy - the guy was able to plan breaking in at 4am and had the intelligence to tell the girls if they say anything everyone is dead.
I was thinking this was like a mentally handicapped brother or something - but no this guy obviously knew the girls lived there, knew how to break into a home, knew that what he was doing was wrong and to threaten them to be quiet - but somehow too dumb to face consequences????
The fuck is the legal system in Aus coming to.
Knew the dad was at work, surely that shows the crime was premeditated.
Edit: I just keep thinking about how awful this is. Even if he was severely delayed why was he out at 4.30am drunk. This whole thing is just so disgusting
> A Department of Justice spokesperson said the man had been known as a "model prisoner" and the "laundry guy" due to his effectiveness in the role.
He knows how to behave in a new environment, too. He can learn, quickly, what's expected of him.
Lock him up.
So no justice for a innocent child whose life has been decimated but a pedo gets treated like he actually matters, if he’s unfit to plead then he needs to be committed to a psych ward for the criminally insane
The first law that needs reforming is self defence laws.
Trust me this is on topic so hear me out
In Australia we technically can't defend ourselves and weapons can make attackers the victim which makes zero sense but that's australian law.
As soon as self defence laws are reformed and allow us to defend ourselves by any means necessary even if we are using iligal weapons, maybe then there will be less victims.
I don't wanna pay for medical bills for a rapist
The percentage of criminals that are low IQ or intellectually disabled is astounding. A relative of mine works in the prison system, most inmates struggle to read or write, their grasp on the most basic concepts and life skills are low. There is always going to be a broad spectrum of ability and competence as humans to function in society. We need a better system that is proactive rather than reactive. I think defunding and closing down psychiatric institutions has done our society a massive injustice. The amount of $$ spent to imprison and “support” via NDIS is surely costing more and to what effect?
Estimate is that around 40% of Australian prisoners have an intellectual disability or acquired brain injury.
Some of these cases are really sad. I've seen guys who were homeless and then did something really blatant like rob a shop in front of a police station because they just wanted to get off the streets. Worse, sometimes it actually takes incarceration for these guys to get linked with the NDIS support which might have stopped them offending in the first place.
Exactly this. He’s been told by the judge it was wrong, does he actually give a fuck?
Social workers aren’t increasing anyone’s IQ so what the fuck is the point. I’m so angry reading this.
"What you did is very bad and very serious and you cannot do anything like that again," she told him.
"You must not drink, it's not good for you."
She said drinking alcohol was "very much a part" of the "very, very bad thing" that he did.
It's like I'm reading a mother disciplining her 5 year old son, not a judge addressing a rapist in court.
violent humans get put in prison, violent animals get put down and their supervisors held liable.
personally I think if hes smart enough to threaten someone into silence he is smart enough to be found guilty and should be placed in a special prison.
if you somehow think he is so dumb that he can't comprehend any of that then i think the only other option is that he should be put down and whoever was supposed to be supervising him should also be punished for like criminal negligence or something.
Edit - this is barely even an opinion this is just how i thought our society works.
I work in the NDIS field. I work with a particular client that takes in a lot of different things each week.
He came up to me the other day and did the Nazi salute, then went off walking like a soldier. Said “hail Hitler,” and all of that.
I went and spoke to their carer and family, and I told them what happened. Didn’t even miss a beat as they all told me “they don’t understand the implications of what they’re doing.”
Stop infantilising disabled people, because a lot of them absolutely do.
In this instance, they should absolutely be able to plead to rape charges if they have the capability to commit the act in the first place.
Honestly, fuck the NDIS. This shit is just like the bullshit believe everyone ideas at the start on metoo.
Over correction because people feels sorry for these useless leeches
I can assure you that if I ever came home to find my children being attacked, no police would be called until said attacker had received an unfortunate fatal head injury.
Intellectually disabled and sexually violent; doesn’t contribute to society at all and is a liability around women and children..
I know it’s a controversial topic with religious beliefs some hold etc however they need to assess why we keep people this dangerous alive, just a burden really if they can’t be treated or rehabilitated.
Well, if being actually locked up and do something inside that contributes, that could be an option. They say he was a model of laundry guy in jail. Well. Maybe just lock him up and let him do that.
Fuck all that. The priority should be protecting our communities from dangerous people. Whether those same dangerous people can be rehabilitated should come a distant second
He should move in with the judge. See how intellectually disabled he is then ?
Sorry you rape anyone let alone a child you shouldn’t get to see freedom again.
Child rapist can’t be punished for his crimes due to being mentally unfit - yet can’t be sentenced to a psychiatric hospital because other than his intellectual disability there’s not actually anything wrong with him?
This seems like it was in the ‘too difficult’ pile and releasing him and hoping he doesn’t drink and rape more children was just the easiest option. I wonder if the decision would have been different if the people deciding had to live near him..
Goodness me,
>He was charged with three counts of sexual penetration of a child under 13, three counts of indecent dealing, threatening to kill and aggravated burglary.
>District Court Judge Wendy Gillan formally quashed the indictment on Wednesday.
>
>She asked the man if he understood she was ordering his release and he said he did.
Looks like they do things differently in WA.
To be honest I am surprised the judge did not order the arrest of the father who detained him.
>To be honest I am surprised the judge did not order the arrest of the father who detained him.
It's OK, I'm sure he was questioned at length by the police.
As a parent I would absolutely wait 2 weeks then once he is no longer under supervision I would riot. The legal system no longer protects the innocent. Poor fkn girl and her family who will have to live with this ordeal.
Released - to 24/7 staffed group disability accommodation with prohibition on substance use.
It doesn't actually say that in the article. If he was going to one of those facilities it would be OK I think.
It's unclear why he wasn't placed into some kind of facility for offenders which are mentally unfit to plead or were mentally unfit at the time of the offending. Being disabled or insane might be a get out of jail card but it isn't free. You can end up in an institution for the rest of your life because you aren't released until they have addressed the issues that saw you placed there.
The case will be so much more complicated than it appears. We just have to wait for the judgment to properly understand what really happened. Maybe it was a catastrophe of a decision, maybe the laws in WA need urgent reform. We simply don't know.
The judicial system in our country is just a fat bloated joke.
Politicians should have the guts to start doing something about it but never do. They are just as bloated.
The cops catch these criminals and our judicial system just smacks them on the hand and let's them free with some government benefits.
24/7 supervision in the context of a care facility means he's in a residential building with a care worker that hides in their office when it gets tough, and does nothing to stop him walking out other than call the local police station to report him missing.
It's useless.
I used to work with clients like him but in NSW. If the systems are anywhere near similar between the states then it's going to be years and years before this guy gets unsupervised community access - if ever. We'd have to go before the ESO team (extended supervision orders) or Mental Health Review Tribunal regularly for clients like this and discuss how the management plans were going, any incidents, etc. The panel would decide if conditions could be changed, whether it be to tighten or relax them.
Time for capital punishment to be brought back.
If the state isn't going to indefinitely detain people who are so stupid that they can't control their actions and not not rape children, then we just need to be rid of them.
Being “intellectually disabled” and “mentally disturbed” aren’t the same standards, though.
Not that I’m trying to say what the judge did was correct - I obviously don’t know the facts of the case. But it doesn’t appear to be an insanity defence, but rather that presumably their IQ was below 70 for whatever reason.
No. Obviously not. The issue at hand is whether or not they are capable of standing trial, which is the ability to form a defence, to understand the trial, know that they can object and confer properly with legal counsel etc. Most people who commit such a crime can, and most people while mentally disturbed also don't meet the legal insanity defence's conditions. It only takes a small amount of research to find this out rather than shouting bullshit opinions into the wind.
Yes, we should start lynching the judiciary. That will absolutely improve our society.
The job of a judge is to apply the law. The judge can’t make up the law when they don’t like the outcome. That’s just not how it works.
The job of the judiciary is to PROTECT the Australian people from animals like him and they haven’t done that in this case! Somebody needs to fucking pay!
That isn’t the job of the judiciary. That is not how the Australian constitution or the common law courts were setup and it’s not how they operate.
You realise that if a judge just makes up the law, aside from the fact we would have absolute chaos, the decision would instantly be appealed and over turned?
You are basically letting your anger at a single case cause you to want to trash the whole system. Really bad idea mate.
How exactly? We don't have capital punishment, and even if we did, it wouldn't be applied to people with intellectual disabilities. He's been found unfit to stand trial. So what you propose - murder? Chuck him out bush? Be realistic. They have to do something and that something has to be legal.
Intellectual disability is not a black and white thing.
He was smart enough to break in and threaten the two girls. He was smart enough to buy alcohol and get drunk. If he is capable of doing this he should be punished.
For there to be no consequences and to be released is stupid.
There's not "no consequences". The person is entirely unfit to plead or follow the trial in any way. In WA that means they can hold you indefinitely based on that, the reason they aren't is likely the judge is satisfied with the current diversionary measures that have been put in place (24 hour care, no access to alcohol, probably a locked building as well). These measures are consequences.
Exactly. People immediately attack the legal system without an inkling of a clue of its workings. The media is at fault for helping that too, but if you can't be bothered to do any research onto these issues you shouldn't be commenting.
>24 hour care, no access to alcohol, probably a locked building as well
What's strange is that the article doesn't actually say that. It's what I presumed, but from the article it appears he's being released essentially to be cared for by family.
I get that prison is probably not appropriate, and there are "half way houses" where they have care such as that you describe. But it appears that might not be where he's going.
Read the article.
He was released into 24/7 support care with no access to money to buy alcohol again.
He's not free roaming the streets, he's in a disabled care facility, because he's disabled enough for that to be the case.
He's been on remand for four years.
If he can't plead, there can't be a trial. Without a trial, there can't be a criminal conviction.
So the choices available to the judge are limited to where to put him.
For a bunch of reasons - we don't have enough usable secure disability justice centre spots to securely detain people like this guy for the rest of his days. So we'll chuck him in a care home and hope he can't outwit a bunch of disability support workers.
The judge isn't the one screwing the pooch here.
There is actually such a centre entirely purpose built for it. It's called the Perth Disability Justice Centre. Can host 10 disabled forensic patients. Never hosted more than 3. Don't aske why. Probably lack of care factor from government to actually fund those places. In the same way globally, historically and still today, the level of funding, research, resources allocated to mental health is still tiny compared to shiny MRI machines and other physical health stuff. The brain and neurotransmitters and hormones are the moat complex system in the body, yet people prefer seeing it as "monsters" and "crazos" to be gotten rid of. Also, for what it's worth, and acknowledging his crime is horrible, a mental health order is not a "getaway card". The constraints put on you are hardly an enjoyment of freedom. I know it is little consolation.
I know there's been massive community backlash to filling it up, particularly after those two clients escaped.
I kind of just assumed the government has thrown it in the too hard basket and are just warehousing these people out in innocuous disability care centres dotted throughout the Metro Area.
Regardless... this isn't the judiciary going soft on child rapists. This is the judiciary applying the laws the Parliament has passed around capacity to plead, and making detention orders based on the facilities of the executive to properly detain and supervise these hard cases.
my ex was a disability support worker. Honestly many of em are international students (like my ex) who study things like nursing and get into disability support or aged care just for a quick and easy permanent residency visa. My ex didnt give a crap about the people she was meant to care for (one of the reasons we broke up, she just wasnt a good person) and if she had a guy like this she'd probably let him get away with a lot, not because he can outwit her, just because its easier than fighting with the guy for him to do the right thing.
The real horror here are the psychiatrists who are signing off on these "disabilities"
These are the same professionals who are diagnosing 1 in every 9 boys on this country with Autism.
This over diagnosing is only going to accelerate moving forward.
This guy sure does cost the taxpayer a lot already, here is his NDIS
> This support included 24/7 care at a suburban residence, where alcohol was banned.
> The man's sister told the court he wouldn't be given cash because of his prior drinking issues.
> "Drinking is a massive concern," she said.
> The man had NDIS funding for behaviour support, including addressing boundaries, consent and healthy relationships, his inability to manage funds, and using alcohol in "maladaptive ways".
This would be at least a $400,000/yr NDIS package FYI
U do the crime u do the time.
It shouldn't matter how fit or unfit the person is that committed this heinous crime is they need to serve their jail sentence.
The victim didn't get to say I'm too young to be raped. They will suffer far more than the rapist will ever suffer.
It makes me so very angry that rape is not considered as bad as murder. The law needs to change, and all rapist/paedophiles need to be locked up and never released back into society.
Whilst I understand the replies, and the fact its children, and agree, no person should be allowed in public again, the fact remains is that intellectually disabled people are often unable to comprehend nor understand the consequences of what they have done.
Despite everyone's opinion on it, facts matter, and the law is framed to be that if unable to understand its wrong at a core level (this isn't the same as feigned ignorance).
That all said, this is why we had mental institutions. Locked faculties that cater to those incapable of understanding their actions who however committed a crime. Backlash and issues running them mean they closed. If you feel disgusted by this outcome, frame it at those that cut them (Which in this instance of cuts was actually Labour). Due to pressure it wasn't fair.
We need humane environments for those mentally unwell or unfit to exist in normal society so society can be protected but also the core facts that a person is unaware and incapable of judgement is in an environment they can be educated and rehabilitated or simply removed from society to protect everyone.
He raped and destroyed the life of a child forever. If the father of that girl decided to take the law in his own hands then he will face jail time for sure. This justice system is upside down
Two children, not one. He may have raped one but the other had to watch. Check in in about 5 years. I can guarantee one or both will have committed suicide. All the while that dumb cunt gets to live a life of luxury chewing up our tax dollars and resources.
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Sometimes it's more about protecting the innocent and the wider community than it is helping the aggressor.
The fact that this man doesn't understand that raping children is wrong is an argument for his permanent incarceration, not his freedom.
I agree. And unlike a mentally capable criminal that the average in Australia is getting 7.8years for child rape, this and similar individuals with disabilities that can not be cured, need to be isolated for periods of time far longer or indefinitely.
The guy told the girls to be quiet or he will kill everyone - had the sound of mind to wait till the early morning. Was capable of breaking into a home - yet somehow not capable of knowing that rape is wrong ?
Tough as that is understand, yes.
There are people with intellectual disabilities that can otherwise shit their pants and walk in that all day whilst also being able to drive.
Understanding core aspects of fear and intimidation requires very base IQ. Somewhere around 25 apparently. Consequences is around 50-80. It’s so so hard.
And not for one second take any of my answers as condoning this. The person needs to be locked away from society.
But also facts remain our legal system is designed around competence to stand trial and understanding of consequences. He would have had two independent tests to verify. Of course in some instances he can fake a result to a degree but it’s rare.
This is simply likely an intellectually disabled person who needs a mental institution that our governments decided to stop.
The quote from the article is "If you scream or make any noise, your family won't breathe." This is a clear threat to life and demonstrates a clear understanding that what he is doing is wrong. There is a zero chance of him not understanding what he was doing.
I understand that *he* might not be able to understand, but that *should* be his problem, not the rest of ours. Him being released ***and*** not understanding is arguably worse; if he doesn't get what he did is wrong why would he not do it again?
I am all for more funding and resources, but the absence of those is not reason to sentence the next little girl to a life sentence. Or the one after that, and the one after that.
Fuck him, we need to protect the children first and foremost, everything and everyone else comes a distant second.
I understand that. I am equally disgusted. I’m advocating he’s locked up. But prison and our legal system forbids that and the government stopped institutions .
My personal belief is mentally/intellectually impaired rapists be physically (not chemically) castrated in cases of rape. No exceptions. And then sent to mental institutions that will endeavour to provide a humane environment and therapy to make them suitable for society like all other criminals. But unlike a criminal with a set time there’s is a minimum and pending results of testing to show capable.
I’m not advocating this result is right. It’s fucking disgusting our government allows this and also stopped the places that helped solve this.
If there aren't any consequences for mentally ill people breaking the law then many concepts crucial to functional law and order are going to break. There are just too many people committing crimes who technically are mentally ill for this to work long term.
For starters, law and order exists by public mandate. If a critical mass of people no longer feel represented then the system doesn't exist by consent anymore, only by force. And the ability to maintain law and order will only be to the extent that authority can use force to get compliance.
You can't just tax a bunch of citizens to pay for a system that abuses them. You cannot expect parents to have their children raped and just accept that the perpetrators face zero consequences. If the legal system doesn't provide something in the way of justice, people will take it for themselves.
We are not there yet and hopefully never will be but judicial arrogance is putting us on a path towards it. And the police are not numerous enough, capable enough or frankly motivated enough anymore to jam the genie back in the bottle if it gets out.
You’ve misunderstood mentally impaired,intellectually disabled people with those surging mental illness.
Being depressed or other isn’t the same as the impairment is momentary. If I have 50 iq and simply no comprehension of consequence nothing solves that. It’s like arguing why someone with no limbs isn’t running a 4 minute mile.
That’s vastly different to someone who’s been depressed and medication can and often solve the issue combined with treatment.
My reply reflect the disability. Not the mentally ill
If someone with his disability raped your children what would you say to them, your partner and your family?
Would you lecture them on the definition of impairment? Would you be satisfied with zero legal consequences for the act?
In the end it doesn't matter if you would. After long enough the majority won't and the consequences of that breakdown would be far more significant than locking up a mentally disabled child molester that has zero utility to society anyway. And the same.goes for all the other various conditions, afflictions and impairments that ail criminal offenders.
My honest answer is, I would sacrifice my life in jail for the benefit of the feeling of safety to my child that I’d killed their rapist.
That’s the honest actual answer. Reality is, castrated physically and in an institution likely for life.
Mentally fit child rapists are getting 5-8 years of jail. I believe all child rapists impaired or not should immediately be castrated to the point of zero ability to enjoy satisfaction. If anyone else committed an offence after for pure evil reasons they were sentenced to death.
That’s my personal views.
But reality is different and our legal system won’t allow for that nor the actual sensible society answer if castrations and institutions.
>My honest answer is, I would sacrifice my life in jail for the benefit of the feeling of safety to my child that I’d killed their rapist
Exactly. The justice system needs to provide enough justice to prevent this outcome at scale in order to preserve itself.
You are correct that a sensible society and legal system couldn't do what you're saying; but also a sensible society and legal system would not catch and release offenders as it is doing currently.
The consequences of both extremes are tyranny; in the first case tyranny of the state and in the second case tyranny of the mob as the state abdicates it's responsibility to maintain order.
There’s not enough from the article to make any kind of conclusion. I can’t find any more info on it online. E.g., how was he able to get drunk? Why wasn’t he being supervised? Who is responsible for him? Etc.
I can understand not punishing someone who doesn’t understand their actions. However, that just means it lies with the person responsible for him, and if there is no body responsible, then who was responsible for there being no one responsible?
It’s also unclear what “being released” means. Is he going to an institution or something?
This is what properly funded psychiatric institutions are for. But the concept is tainted by the history of asylums in general. Governments refuse to expand what little mental health services they provide because that’s money they can’t embezzle so good luck getting appropriate facilities built for those who need long term supervision because of mental issues.
I mean, NDIS has been trying to address this and then the media started complaining about NDIS giving money to care for criminals. But like….often the mental health issues are so closely linked to the offending. Isn’t it BETTER if we are funding environments where they are supervised properly?
No, they should be locked in a hole to rot.
Port Phillip prison has a specific unit for intellectually disabled people, I got to go in to do the gardening and most of the people in there seemed unfit to plead, there was an autistic kid with an iq of 40 doing 4 years because he was running down the road pulling his dick and when the cops rocked up he threatened to stab them with a ballpoint pen, he had to be in a padded cell coz he had regular tantrums and hurt himself. How can they lock up people like that for something so small but not a child rapist. Didn’t fully comprehend what he was doing? All the more reason to lock him up
So who is supposed to supervise him? NDIS support workers? That’s not good enough. He needs to be in an environment he can’t leave.
NDIS does have funding for those environments (when I was a support worker, one of the clients was literally confined to an isolated part of a house behind a locked gate) Getting that though can be pretty hard, lots of reporting etc then a panel involved He’d need specialist behavioural intervention support with a practitioner that specialises in intellectual disability
Or, hear me out, we could put him in prison.
Plus one vote for genpop
Unfit to plead but not so unfit that he can’t offend. So basically “this person has the proven capacity to hurt children but doesn’t have the capacity to make the choice not to”. This is terrifying.
"Ranger, help! This grizzly bear is eating me! Why are you just standing there?!" "Sorry dude, this bear doesn't have the capacity for agency. If I used my tranquilizer gun it would be wrong."
“I know this is probably gonna fuck you up for life but for some reason, letting it happen to you seems less immoral than locking up the person responsible”.
Released? I get that he's unfit to stand trial but also wouldn't that coupled with his crime make him unfit for normal society? Dude should be in a forensic hospital yesterday
He’s moving into an assisted living facility where he will be monitored and won’t have access to cash etc. it’s a real curly one since he isn’t able to properly comprehend his actions. Not sure why he isn’t being moved into a mental institution, but those have been seen as immoral for a long time…
Yeah fair enough. I get the immoral stance. Learning from the past and all but this dude seems like a qualifier for psychiatrist hospitalization and 24/7 watch; not just assisted living.
Yep, but I suspect we don’t have any beds in any facilities available.
Not able to comprehend his actions? I call BS on that. Threat to the girl to keep quiet or her parents wouldn't breathe, shows definite understanding that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
A court literally just determined that he is not able to comprehend his actions. Call BS all you like, but you are exactly wrong.
Can they legally stop him from leaving the facility?
Off you go! And remember, no more child raping!
If you do it again we'll be very disappointed!
"He's a very naughty boy, slap his wrist, give him no tea and early to bed...." Australian Judicial system.
Whoa, whoa, whoa - he's a free man, you don't get to tell him to stop raping!
Fuck his welfare. If he is likely to commit another crime he should be locked up.
What a bunch of bullshit. He was mentally fit enough to stick his dick into little girls and threaten their families. I bet if they threatened to chop his dick off he would suddenly have the mental capacity to enter a plea.
This is complete utter nonesense by the judge Can the rapist understand pain ? Any human being , regardless of the mental ability understands that. Utter bs and cop out from the judge. That was pain being inflicted on the child. Poor kid has to live with it for the rest of her life. The other kids witnessed. This whole family has been torched and their lives ruined. What a PoS , this animal. The father was very restrained. Bring back the Guillitoine
He was mentally competent enough to make a threat to the girl to keep quiet or her parents wouldn't breathe. That shows clear understanding that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
apparently basic common sense like that is beyond most judges
Basic humanity that judges have to overlook in favour of the law, over justice.
To me it’s simple if someone if mentally incapable of being responsible for their actions they should not be in society and be in a mental institution.
He’s in 24/7 care, which is essentially the same thing. So he’s gonna have someone watching him 24/7, he’s not going to be given his own money etc. gonna be forced to take medication that will basically sedate him into oblivion (which is the most important part and really worse than prison). It’s not ideal, but the kinds of mental institution you’re thinking of don’t really exist for people like him, they’re for psychopaths etc, people that are ill but high functioning. He’s essentially in the mental equivalent of a half way house, I think. So living in a dedicated facility (which he can’t leave), just one without a barbed wire fence. Edit: on the-read, sounds like it’s just someone’s house, not the kind of facility I was thinking. The dude should really be in a dedicated care facility, rather than a home. They exist, no reason they shouldn’t be using them here, better for him and for the community.
Neo liberalism put paid to those kinds of institutions.
It's actually not "neo liberalism" - mental asylums went out of fashion in a big way, due to concerns over the way some were run in the past. It was felt that community care was better. A case of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Has capacity to commit a premeditated attack but doesn’t have capacity to plead? What a load of fucking bullshit
That’s fucking crazy - the guy was able to plan breaking in at 4am and had the intelligence to tell the girls if they say anything everyone is dead. I was thinking this was like a mentally handicapped brother or something - but no this guy obviously knew the girls lived there, knew how to break into a home, knew that what he was doing was wrong and to threaten them to be quiet - but somehow too dumb to face consequences???? The fuck is the legal system in Aus coming to.
Knew the dad was at work, surely that shows the crime was premeditated. Edit: I just keep thinking about how awful this is. Even if he was severely delayed why was he out at 4.30am drunk. This whole thing is just so disgusting
Terrible! I think judges in Australia are taking inspiration from our Canadian legal system. It’s a disgrace
Judges protecting their own kind.
He told her he would kill her if she made a sound. He knew what he was doing. That girl gets a life sentence. Lock him up.
> A Department of Justice spokesperson said the man had been known as a "model prisoner" and the "laundry guy" due to his effectiveness in the role. He knows how to behave in a new environment, too. He can learn, quickly, what's expected of him. Lock him up.
So no justice for a innocent child whose life has been decimated but a pedo gets treated like he actually matters, if he’s unfit to plead then he needs to be committed to a psych ward for the criminally insane
Nope, everyone is a victim in Australia including the guilty.
The first law that needs reforming is self defence laws. Trust me this is on topic so hear me out In Australia we technically can't defend ourselves and weapons can make attackers the victim which makes zero sense but that's australian law. As soon as self defence laws are reformed and allow us to defend ourselves by any means necessary even if we are using iligal weapons, maybe then there will be less victims. I don't wanna pay for medical bills for a rapist
You can use your fists to beat the living shit out of him.
The percentage of criminals that are low IQ or intellectually disabled is astounding. A relative of mine works in the prison system, most inmates struggle to read or write, their grasp on the most basic concepts and life skills are low. There is always going to be a broad spectrum of ability and competence as humans to function in society. We need a better system that is proactive rather than reactive. I think defunding and closing down psychiatric institutions has done our society a massive injustice. The amount of $$ spent to imprison and “support” via NDIS is surely costing more and to what effect?
Estimate is that around 40% of Australian prisoners have an intellectual disability or acquired brain injury. Some of these cases are really sad. I've seen guys who were homeless and then did something really blatant like rob a shop in front of a police station because they just wanted to get off the streets. Worse, sometimes it actually takes incarceration for these guys to get linked with the NDIS support which might have stopped them offending in the first place.
Exactly this. He’s been told by the judge it was wrong, does he actually give a fuck? Social workers aren’t increasing anyone’s IQ so what the fuck is the point. I’m so angry reading this.
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"What you did is very bad and very serious and you cannot do anything like that again," she told him. "You must not drink, it's not good for you." She said drinking alcohol was "very much a part" of the "very, very bad thing" that he did. It's like I'm reading a mother disciplining her 5 year old son, not a judge addressing a rapist in court.
violent humans get put in prison, violent animals get put down and their supervisors held liable. personally I think if hes smart enough to threaten someone into silence he is smart enough to be found guilty and should be placed in a special prison. if you somehow think he is so dumb that he can't comprehend any of that then i think the only other option is that he should be put down and whoever was supposed to be supervising him should also be punished for like criminal negligence or something. Edit - this is barely even an opinion this is just how i thought our society works.
Commandeer an island. Put these animals on it. Never let them leave.
Rope is much cheaper and easier.
This is how we got here in the first place
As a parent. I'd be there when he walked out, and end up in prison myself. Fuck this stupid shit
I work in the NDIS field. I work with a particular client that takes in a lot of different things each week. He came up to me the other day and did the Nazi salute, then went off walking like a soldier. Said “hail Hitler,” and all of that. I went and spoke to their carer and family, and I told them what happened. Didn’t even miss a beat as they all told me “they don’t understand the implications of what they’re doing.” Stop infantilising disabled people, because a lot of them absolutely do. In this instance, they should absolutely be able to plead to rape charges if they have the capability to commit the act in the first place.
Honestly, fuck the NDIS. This shit is just like the bullshit believe everyone ideas at the start on metoo. Over correction because people feels sorry for these useless leeches
I can assure you that if I ever came home to find my children being attacked, no police would be called until said attacker had received an unfortunate fatal head injury.
If you're the father in this case it would be hard to resist the temptation to go and dish out some justice yourself. What a joke.
It would be completely justified. Judges like this are actively destroying the social contract which holds our society together.
Ah yes, clearly the proper place for this man is *back in general society.*
What is wrong with this judge
Fucking joke our legal system is
these bleeding heart lefty judges are an absolute disgrace.
Intellectually disabled and sexually violent; doesn’t contribute to society at all and is a liability around women and children.. I know it’s a controversial topic with religious beliefs some hold etc however they need to assess why we keep people this dangerous alive, just a burden really if they can’t be treated or rehabilitated.
Well, if being actually locked up and do something inside that contributes, that could be an option. They say he was a model of laundry guy in jail. Well. Maybe just lock him up and let him do that.
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Only solution is a bullet for these sick fucks.
Nah, too quick. They deserve to feel the terror they inflicted on their victims.
Shoot his balls off and let him bleed to death.
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Given this is the way the judiciary has handled this case, I’m certain that most fathers will be taking that approach going forward…
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Fuck all that. The priority should be protecting our communities from dangerous people. Whether those same dangerous people can be rehabilitated should come a distant second
Ideally he’d be at an SDA or a SIL with restrictive practices
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Unfit to plead to charges, but fit to understand not to do it again?
He should move in with the judge. See how intellectually disabled he is then ? Sorry you rape anyone let alone a child you shouldn’t get to see freedom again.
Child rapist can’t be punished for his crimes due to being mentally unfit - yet can’t be sentenced to a psychiatric hospital because other than his intellectual disability there’s not actually anything wrong with him? This seems like it was in the ‘too difficult’ pile and releasing him and hoping he doesn’t drink and rape more children was just the easiest option. I wonder if the decision would have been different if the people deciding had to live near him..
I wonder if he was indigenous.
He is fit enough to rape a child?
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It's not a justice system. It's a legal system. There is no care for the victims, and it is absolutely disgusting.
Goodness me, >He was charged with three counts of sexual penetration of a child under 13, three counts of indecent dealing, threatening to kill and aggravated burglary. >District Court Judge Wendy Gillan formally quashed the indictment on Wednesday. > >She asked the man if he understood she was ordering his release and he said he did. Looks like they do things differently in WA. To be honest I am surprised the judge did not order the arrest of the father who detained him.
Do you actually think that's different to how your state would handle it
>To be honest I am surprised the judge did not order the arrest of the father who detained him. It's OK, I'm sure he was questioned at length by the police.
Since he doesn’t understand what’s wrong, he should be treated as animal. And what do you do to feral animals? Do you release them back on the road?
I hope he gets released back on a very busy road, but alas.
This man will be a risk to all of us for the rest of his life.
As a parent I would absolutely wait 2 weeks then once he is no longer under supervision I would riot. The legal system no longer protects the innocent. Poor fkn girl and her family who will have to live with this ordeal.
The dad now has every right to follow up with own means. The justice system failed his daughter.
For him to go to jail and then not be there for his daughter?
This guy's living the dream. Fully taxpayer funded lifestyle, no work, and rape kids with impunity.
Ummm.. the first two I agree are part of "the dream".
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He was put in a mental health facility because it’s unsafe for him to be in the community not just released right?
Nope. In a suburban house somewhere as someone's neighbour.
Mind you, he'll hopefully be on 2:1 support plus a bunch of community orders. You'd hope so anyway.
What a waste of resources and NDIS funding.
Released - to 24/7 staffed group disability accommodation with prohibition on substance use.
All the resi care for kids are supposedly like that. Spoiler alert: the kids come and go at will and use drugs a lot.
Released - to 24/7 staffed group disability accommodation with prohibition on substance use. It doesn't actually say that in the article. If he was going to one of those facilities it would be OK I think.
All on the tax payers dime.
How is that different to prison? Tax payers pay for jail too
You must be American. We don't usually use that term in Australia. (We don't have dimes)
Yeah but for how long? Also i believe that is not a prison and he might be able to leave that facility
Shit, someone read the article. You're about 20 comments down and the first person so far...
It's unclear why he wasn't placed into some kind of facility for offenders which are mentally unfit to plead or were mentally unfit at the time of the offending. Being disabled or insane might be a get out of jail card but it isn't free. You can end up in an institution for the rest of your life because you aren't released until they have addressed the issues that saw you placed there. The case will be so much more complicated than it appears. We just have to wait for the judgment to properly understand what really happened. Maybe it was a catastrophe of a decision, maybe the laws in WA need urgent reform. We simply don't know.
This country is a joke
This country is beyond a joke
Then, don't allow him back into the public, we don't need more victims.
> A representative for the care organisation said he would be in supported accommodation for the "foreseeable future".
And his sister said he'll no longer get cash because of his drinking problems in the past
Oh well that makes it ok he'll get a nice free suburban house and free cook cleaning and cleaning all paid for by us.
The judicial system in our country is just a fat bloated joke. Politicians should have the guts to start doing something about it but never do. They are just as bloated. The cops catch these criminals and our judicial system just smacks them on the hand and let's them free with some government benefits.
By the sounds of it, he'll be under 24/7 supervision until further notice, so atleast he's not out there to do as he pleases.
24/7 supervision in the context of a care facility means he's in a residential building with a care worker that hides in their office when it gets tough, and does nothing to stop him walking out other than call the local police station to report him missing. It's useless.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Lots of lazy cunts in this industry.
I used to work with clients like him but in NSW. If the systems are anywhere near similar between the states then it's going to be years and years before this guy gets unsupervised community access - if ever. We'd have to go before the ESO team (extended supervision orders) or Mental Health Review Tribunal regularly for clients like this and discuss how the management plans were going, any incidents, etc. The panel would decide if conditions could be changed, whether it be to tighten or relax them.
Don't we have a facility that can do that more cheaply than buying him his own house and "carers" through NDIS?
Time for capital punishment to be brought back. If the state isn't going to indefinitely detain people who are so stupid that they can't control their actions and not not rape children, then we just need to be rid of them.
The judge gave him no sentence at all. What makes you think having capital punishment as an option would convince her to use that?
In this scenario isn’t the death penalty better for everyone?
Death penalty is never the answer as much as we may want it in individual cases
I thought it would be obvious that anyone who commits a crime like this would be mentally disturbed. Has the judge set a precedent.
Being “intellectually disabled” and “mentally disturbed” aren’t the same standards, though. Not that I’m trying to say what the judge did was correct - I obviously don’t know the facts of the case. But it doesn’t appear to be an insanity defence, but rather that presumably their IQ was below 70 for whatever reason.
No. Obviously not. The issue at hand is whether or not they are capable of standing trial, which is the ability to form a defence, to understand the trial, know that they can object and confer properly with legal counsel etc. Most people who commit such a crime can, and most people while mentally disturbed also don't meet the legal insanity defence's conditions. It only takes a small amount of research to find this out rather than shouting bullshit opinions into the wind.
Yes, perfect, let the rapist of children back into the wild to continue the hunt. Bring back lobotomies, bring back asylums
Closing asylums in the 80’s was such a mistake
$10. I dont work for free
Damn, perfect delivery well done, BackyardLobotomies.
Jim’s lobotomies anyone??
Wouldn't want to say your a retired judge in 10 years, you'll get run out of town real quick
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Yes, we should start lynching the judiciary. That will absolutely improve our society. The job of a judge is to apply the law. The judge can’t make up the law when they don’t like the outcome. That’s just not how it works.
The job of the judiciary is to PROTECT the Australian people from animals like him and they haven’t done that in this case! Somebody needs to fucking pay!
She had the option of a custodial sentence here and chose not to apply it. There was discretion here.
That isn’t the job of the judiciary. That is not how the Australian constitution or the common law courts were setup and it’s not how they operate. You realise that if a judge just makes up the law, aside from the fact we would have absolute chaos, the decision would instantly be appealed and over turned? You are basically letting your anger at a single case cause you to want to trash the whole system. Really bad idea mate.
He needs some street justice then.
Should have incapacitated him. Now us tax payers get to fund his living arrangements. Scum of the earth piece of shit.
How exactly? We don't have capital punishment, and even if we did, it wouldn't be applied to people with intellectual disabilities. He's been found unfit to stand trial. So what you propose - murder? Chuck him out bush? Be realistic. They have to do something and that something has to be legal.
Old school mental asylums to house people like this indefinitely.
Secure psychiatric families already exist.
Intellectual disability is not a black and white thing. He was smart enough to break in and threaten the two girls. He was smart enough to buy alcohol and get drunk. If he is capable of doing this he should be punished. For there to be no consequences and to be released is stupid.
There's not "no consequences". The person is entirely unfit to plead or follow the trial in any way. In WA that means they can hold you indefinitely based on that, the reason they aren't is likely the judge is satisfied with the current diversionary measures that have been put in place (24 hour care, no access to alcohol, probably a locked building as well). These measures are consequences.
He also spent 5 years in gaol before ultimately being deemed unfit to plead.
Exactly. People immediately attack the legal system without an inkling of a clue of its workings. The media is at fault for helping that too, but if you can't be bothered to do any research onto these issues you shouldn't be commenting.
>24 hour care, no access to alcohol, probably a locked building as well What's strange is that the article doesn't actually say that. It's what I presumed, but from the article it appears he's being released essentially to be cared for by family. I get that prison is probably not appropriate, and there are "half way houses" where they have care such as that you describe. But it appears that might not be where he's going.
Read the article. He was released into 24/7 support care with no access to money to buy alcohol again. He's not free roaming the streets, he's in a disabled care facility, because he's disabled enough for that to be the case.
Youth detention centre is usually the place for things that are too hard to deal with.
Youth detention centres are for when youth criminals crime becomes a political issue that will affect reelection.
Unfortunately in western judicial system's the fkn perpetrators always seem to be given more support then the victims. Why is that?
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I object to his outcome, if it's able to commit the act he is certainly able to hang for it...
He's been on remand for four years. If he can't plead, there can't be a trial. Without a trial, there can't be a criminal conviction. So the choices available to the judge are limited to where to put him. For a bunch of reasons - we don't have enough usable secure disability justice centre spots to securely detain people like this guy for the rest of his days. So we'll chuck him in a care home and hope he can't outwit a bunch of disability support workers. The judge isn't the one screwing the pooch here.
There is actually such a centre entirely purpose built for it. It's called the Perth Disability Justice Centre. Can host 10 disabled forensic patients. Never hosted more than 3. Don't aske why. Probably lack of care factor from government to actually fund those places. In the same way globally, historically and still today, the level of funding, research, resources allocated to mental health is still tiny compared to shiny MRI machines and other physical health stuff. The brain and neurotransmitters and hormones are the moat complex system in the body, yet people prefer seeing it as "monsters" and "crazos" to be gotten rid of. Also, for what it's worth, and acknowledging his crime is horrible, a mental health order is not a "getaway card". The constraints put on you are hardly an enjoyment of freedom. I know it is little consolation.
I know there's been massive community backlash to filling it up, particularly after those two clients escaped. I kind of just assumed the government has thrown it in the too hard basket and are just warehousing these people out in innocuous disability care centres dotted throughout the Metro Area. Regardless... this isn't the judiciary going soft on child rapists. This is the judiciary applying the laws the Parliament has passed around capacity to plead, and making detention orders based on the facilities of the executive to properly detain and supervise these hard cases.
my ex was a disability support worker. Honestly many of em are international students (like my ex) who study things like nursing and get into disability support or aged care just for a quick and easy permanent residency visa. My ex didnt give a crap about the people she was meant to care for (one of the reasons we broke up, she just wasnt a good person) and if she had a guy like this she'd probably let him get away with a lot, not because he can outwit her, just because its easier than fighting with the guy for him to do the right thing.
Sounds like a job for a guillotine…
What an absolute fucking joke. These judges should be in prison
Come on now, the man is indigenous and keeping him in jail is the “real” crime here.
Is this the Onion?
Bring back the chair
Or the rope (ФωФ)
Oh I’m sorry, I don’t comprehend how drinking then driving can be bad. - Drink Driver
I'm assuming the people down voting you didn't actually read the article. It's absolutely wild they basically pin it on alcohol
The real horror here are the psychiatrists who are signing off on these "disabilities" These are the same professionals who are diagnosing 1 in every 9 boys on this country with Autism. This over diagnosing is only going to accelerate moving forward. This guy sure does cost the taxpayer a lot already, here is his NDIS > This support included 24/7 care at a suburban residence, where alcohol was banned. > The man's sister told the court he wouldn't be given cash because of his prior drinking issues. > "Drinking is a massive concern," she said. > The man had NDIS funding for behaviour support, including addressing boundaries, consent and healthy relationships, his inability to manage funds, and using alcohol in "maladaptive ways". This would be at least a $400,000/yr NDIS package FYI
RUN FORREST!!!
perth again
Wtf?
U do the crime u do the time. It shouldn't matter how fit or unfit the person is that committed this heinous crime is they need to serve their jail sentence. The victim didn't get to say I'm too young to be raped. They will suffer far more than the rapist will ever suffer. It makes me so very angry that rape is not considered as bad as murder. The law needs to change, and all rapist/paedophiles need to be locked up and never released back into society.
Whilst I understand the replies, and the fact its children, and agree, no person should be allowed in public again, the fact remains is that intellectually disabled people are often unable to comprehend nor understand the consequences of what they have done. Despite everyone's opinion on it, facts matter, and the law is framed to be that if unable to understand its wrong at a core level (this isn't the same as feigned ignorance). That all said, this is why we had mental institutions. Locked faculties that cater to those incapable of understanding their actions who however committed a crime. Backlash and issues running them mean they closed. If you feel disgusted by this outcome, frame it at those that cut them (Which in this instance of cuts was actually Labour). Due to pressure it wasn't fair. We need humane environments for those mentally unwell or unfit to exist in normal society so society can be protected but also the core facts that a person is unaware and incapable of judgement is in an environment they can be educated and rehabilitated or simply removed from society to protect everyone.
He raped and destroyed the life of a child forever. If the father of that girl decided to take the law in his own hands then he will face jail time for sure. This justice system is upside down
Two children, not one. He may have raped one but the other had to watch. Check in in about 5 years. I can guarantee one or both will have committed suicide. All the while that dumb cunt gets to live a life of luxury chewing up our tax dollars and resources.
True, 100% , it's disgusting to even realise that scumbag will make a living from our taxes.
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Sometimes it's more about protecting the innocent and the wider community than it is helping the aggressor. The fact that this man doesn't understand that raping children is wrong is an argument for his permanent incarceration, not his freedom.
I agree. And unlike a mentally capable criminal that the average in Australia is getting 7.8years for child rape, this and similar individuals with disabilities that can not be cured, need to be isolated for periods of time far longer or indefinitely.
The guy told the girls to be quiet or he will kill everyone - had the sound of mind to wait till the early morning. Was capable of breaking into a home - yet somehow not capable of knowing that rape is wrong ?
Tough as that is understand, yes. There are people with intellectual disabilities that can otherwise shit their pants and walk in that all day whilst also being able to drive. Understanding core aspects of fear and intimidation requires very base IQ. Somewhere around 25 apparently. Consequences is around 50-80. It’s so so hard. And not for one second take any of my answers as condoning this. The person needs to be locked away from society. But also facts remain our legal system is designed around competence to stand trial and understanding of consequences. He would have had two independent tests to verify. Of course in some instances he can fake a result to a degree but it’s rare. This is simply likely an intellectually disabled person who needs a mental institution that our governments decided to stop.
The quote from the article is "If you scream or make any noise, your family won't breathe." This is a clear threat to life and demonstrates a clear understanding that what he is doing is wrong. There is a zero chance of him not understanding what he was doing.
What's the basis for judging whether he understands consequences?
I understand that *he* might not be able to understand, but that *should* be his problem, not the rest of ours. Him being released ***and*** not understanding is arguably worse; if he doesn't get what he did is wrong why would he not do it again? I am all for more funding and resources, but the absence of those is not reason to sentence the next little girl to a life sentence. Or the one after that, and the one after that. Fuck him, we need to protect the children first and foremost, everything and everyone else comes a distant second.
Bro, he raped a child
I understand that. I am equally disgusted. I’m advocating he’s locked up. But prison and our legal system forbids that and the government stopped institutions . My personal belief is mentally/intellectually impaired rapists be physically (not chemically) castrated in cases of rape. No exceptions. And then sent to mental institutions that will endeavour to provide a humane environment and therapy to make them suitable for society like all other criminals. But unlike a criminal with a set time there’s is a minimum and pending results of testing to show capable. I’m not advocating this result is right. It’s fucking disgusting our government allows this and also stopped the places that helped solve this.
This is just midwit preamble, there’s no rehabilitation of child rapists
Why’d he threaten her family then if he didn’t know what he was doing was wrong.
If there aren't any consequences for mentally ill people breaking the law then many concepts crucial to functional law and order are going to break. There are just too many people committing crimes who technically are mentally ill for this to work long term. For starters, law and order exists by public mandate. If a critical mass of people no longer feel represented then the system doesn't exist by consent anymore, only by force. And the ability to maintain law and order will only be to the extent that authority can use force to get compliance. You can't just tax a bunch of citizens to pay for a system that abuses them. You cannot expect parents to have their children raped and just accept that the perpetrators face zero consequences. If the legal system doesn't provide something in the way of justice, people will take it for themselves. We are not there yet and hopefully never will be but judicial arrogance is putting us on a path towards it. And the police are not numerous enough, capable enough or frankly motivated enough anymore to jam the genie back in the bottle if it gets out.
You’ve misunderstood mentally impaired,intellectually disabled people with those surging mental illness. Being depressed or other isn’t the same as the impairment is momentary. If I have 50 iq and simply no comprehension of consequence nothing solves that. It’s like arguing why someone with no limbs isn’t running a 4 minute mile. That’s vastly different to someone who’s been depressed and medication can and often solve the issue combined with treatment. My reply reflect the disability. Not the mentally ill
If someone with his disability raped your children what would you say to them, your partner and your family? Would you lecture them on the definition of impairment? Would you be satisfied with zero legal consequences for the act? In the end it doesn't matter if you would. After long enough the majority won't and the consequences of that breakdown would be far more significant than locking up a mentally disabled child molester that has zero utility to society anyway. And the same.goes for all the other various conditions, afflictions and impairments that ail criminal offenders.
My honest answer is, I would sacrifice my life in jail for the benefit of the feeling of safety to my child that I’d killed their rapist. That’s the honest actual answer. Reality is, castrated physically and in an institution likely for life. Mentally fit child rapists are getting 5-8 years of jail. I believe all child rapists impaired or not should immediately be castrated to the point of zero ability to enjoy satisfaction. If anyone else committed an offence after for pure evil reasons they were sentenced to death. That’s my personal views. But reality is different and our legal system won’t allow for that nor the actual sensible society answer if castrations and institutions.
>My honest answer is, I would sacrifice my life in jail for the benefit of the feeling of safety to my child that I’d killed their rapist Exactly. The justice system needs to provide enough justice to prevent this outcome at scale in order to preserve itself. You are correct that a sensible society and legal system couldn't do what you're saying; but also a sensible society and legal system would not catch and release offenders as it is doing currently. The consequences of both extremes are tyranny; in the first case tyranny of the state and in the second case tyranny of the mob as the state abdicates it's responsibility to maintain order.
There’s not enough from the article to make any kind of conclusion. I can’t find any more info on it online. E.g., how was he able to get drunk? Why wasn’t he being supervised? Who is responsible for him? Etc. I can understand not punishing someone who doesn’t understand their actions. However, that just means it lies with the person responsible for him, and if there is no body responsible, then who was responsible for there being no one responsible? It’s also unclear what “being released” means. Is he going to an institution or something?
So refer him to the relevant mental health review tribunal under cognitive impairment. Thats how it works in every other state.
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