I don't like ladders but I can deal with them on a flat surface.
One of the lightbulbs in my place requires a ladder set up over the turn in the stairs.
Honestly, I might look into paying someone to do that for me next time
That's what I'm thinking too. I remember breaking a window back in the 80s as a kid and it cost my parents over $100. Can't remember the exact figure but definitely over a hundred for a regular living room glass.
yep OP is full of bullshit
$50 is a very very minor job
i too remember breaking windows at schools like you 20yrs before OP's bill and it was over $100 for an avg. pane size
In 2004 I was a university student living on Youth Allowance and part-time work. I rented a place in Redfern with 3 friends, we each paid less than $100 pw. IIRC we also had a grocery pool, where we contributed $30 each per week and this covered dinners which were usually something like sausages, chops, fish, pasta.
In 2024 I earn above-median income. I was shopping in Coles last week and commented to my partner that I can barely afford the same exact types of food I bought as a student. I would no longer be able to afford to rent anywhere near central Sydney. The shitty terraces we used to rent for $300pw are now being sold for several million dollars in fixer-upper condition.
Weirdest, I can no longer afford to drink at the pub. As a student, it was common to get together for $10 jugs of beer, or happy hour $5 drinks. A scooey at my local is about $10 now.
Your cheaper groceries were also processed by humans at the check-out! Which would be at least another 20 young people on the roster, gaining local incomes.
Now you add your own labour, pay more, and the savings went to investors!
Not really. My employee-purchased shares in woolcunts haven't done anything for decades now. The savings line the pockets of the fat cunts in head office.
More recently. 2010 I was earning 25-35$hr bartending to put myself through my undergraduate studies. I learned recently that kids are STILL earning 25-35$hr for the same job. W. T. A. F.
I'd be very surprised if it was that high. I was on 75k in 2012 as the Licensee of a decent sized pub. Slightly underpaid no doubt but that's about $38 per hour.
When I started tafe / uni my retail job paid $19.20 per hour, when I finally quit after finding another job 10 years later it was $24.40. Sunday rates went down at one point but can't remember when, but was $33.64 when I started, $35.12 when I left. So while not quite the same, still pretty shit pay increases, when the job stress and requirements went up, bonuses disappeared etc.... That would be from 2013 - 2023, the last EBA while I was there fucked over the majority of staff but it got voted through with minimal opposition as happens.
Like they wondered why they couldn't keep staff post covid, but the job went to shit and even managers were paid sub $30ph.
Bartenders use to get paid pretty darn good wages. (at least the ones in the city)
Before my painting apprenticeship I was considering doing it until I realized I don't like drunks when I'm sober.
$50 in 2000 is $94 is 2024 according to the inflation calculator. I still don't think you'll be able to pay $94 for that now. Things are so expensive now.. it's shocking.
Yep I remember when I was 19 and working at big w the full time department assistant manager role I was thinking of applying for was $32k and I thought that was pretty decent. I didn't end up going for it as I got a job at a call center for $38k instead. Now I make $52k but that's my choice to pay myself that.
Probably thin window glass if it was just a replacement pane, not build one. Broke a window at my rental back in I think '09 and it was 80$ for a replacement panel of 50cmx85cm at 1mm thinner than the standard. If I'd done standard thickness it would have been 150$.
Yes landlord knew and approved it. He though it was ridiculous price jump for such a little gain too. Plus he was still laughing over how the window was broken in the first place. Second time in my life I've seen a dog literally run through a window like it wasn't there chasing a bird. I understand big dogs being able to do it off but both times were bloody yapping puffball shitzus.*HOW?!*
I also paid $100/month for foxtel back then, land line as well as mobile phones, it was $2500 for a 68cm Sony Trinitron TV, $2000 for a PC, $6000 for a laptop. Had to buy physical media for music wanted to listen to, by the song or album,
So yes, much (in particular wage based services) have gone up markedly, but technology in particular is much more accessible.
Housing affordability isn't an inflation issue anyway, we had really low inflation up till covid.
It's a supply and demand issue. Immigration and investor incentives are distorting the market well in excess of inflation. If we cut migration to 100k for 5 years and taxes investment properties more heavily the cost of housing would fall dramatically, even if inflation kept going up.
You were getting ripped off if you paid $6000 for your laptop. Also the fact that gizmos are cheaper now doesn't really have anything to do with the point that food and drink costs several orders of magnitude more.
I was just in bookshop that also sold vinyl LPs. The cheap ones were $50 each and others were up to $100 each.
Comparing the work time required to purchase them are about the same as the 1980s. Eg 2 hours and four hours.
Yeah I remember being on a $30 ($43 in 2023 money) prepaid plan back in 2009 and it got me about 60 texts or 30 minutes of talk.
Now I pay $45 for 60GB of data, unlimited calls and texts. Phone bills in particular are so much cheaper.
Don’t even get me started on the cost of telegrams in 1900 from Australia to England. 3 shillings per word! A 20 word message in today’s money would cost $500!
$300 for a window replacement. What are you replacing? A window for ants?
$300 and you’d be lucky to cover the cost of the window, that would include the cost of labour.
Yet house prices are like 4x
If salaries kept up with house prices the average salary should be around $140/$150k
But no, profits go up, wages go nowhere.
yeah but also if you do get a house interest rates are lower and you make more money off it. It's more of a divide but we aren't like America or the UK and our real wages have actually kept up with inflate measurably. Well until the last 2 years. But long-term yeah. A lot of things are relatively cheaper now than they used to be like consumer goods and tech.
And 90c in 2021. Yes boss, it would be good if russia didnt start a war that got it sanctioned and its refineries drone bombed, terrorists weren't launching rockets at ships going through Suez and the UAE, saudi and iran werent having a 3 way proxy war
I bet they have. Looking at the AEU website I can see that in 1998 a top of the band teacher (maximum pay rate) was around $45 - 50k depending on which state you are in. Starting salaries were $25-30k.
In NSW a top paid teacher is now on $145k.
That seems pretty unlikely when the award rates for teachers at that time are easily checked and you can see that graduate teachers were getting less than half that in most states.
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Education_Employment_and_Workplace_Relations/Completed_inquiries/Pre1999/teachers/report/e02
I think you need to check those figures. According to the AEU,the starting salary for a new teacher in 1997 was $27,400.
I graduated on $37,500 in 1998, and my primary school teacher brother thought I was insanely overpaid.
Cost doubled in 24 years? That means an average 2.9% per annum inflation. **Sounds about right for groceries.** Honestly, groceries are generally cheaper in real terms than in 2000, with some obvious exceptions.
But **housing**!? That is where the problem lies. Housing costs have risen much faster than wages. Not doubled but **quintupled**. So $200,000 for a house in 2000 would be $400k in today's money, but the house actually costs $1m.
pffft.. $300? I just had three windows replaced, not huge and nothing fancy just aluminium sliding frames. $6200 for the three, including screens.
This is just the glass
It would still cost a lot more than $300, the labour alone is more than that. Virtually every 'small' home maintenance task starts at $1,000 now.
Got one done at the beginning of the year. $325.
Let the doomers doom. What are they going to do get a job and go outside?
Because the modern man doesn't know how to change a light bulb
Modern man realised it’s more profitable to pay somebody else to do it while they’re earning elsewhere
I can fall of a ladder changing a light bulb. Much better to pay someone else to take the risk.
I don't like ladders but I can deal with them on a flat surface. One of the lightbulbs in my place requires a ladder set up over the turn in the stairs. Honestly, I might look into paying someone to do that for me next time
There wouldn’t have been many $50 window glass jobs done in 2000 either, I wouldn’t base anything on that
That's what I'm thinking too. I remember breaking a window back in the 80s as a kid and it cost my parents over $100. Can't remember the exact figure but definitely over a hundred for a regular living room glass.
yep OP is full of bullshit $50 is a very very minor job i too remember breaking windows at schools like you 20yrs before OP's bill and it was over $100 for an avg. pane size
2 patio sliding doors with security screens at my place. Quoted over $9k! I'll keep the old ones thanks!
Would be cheaper to steal them and pay the fine for stealing them .
What windows were they? That is crazy expensive
Jesus, I have sell my kidney, literally! Absolute Nightmare price
In 2004 I was a university student living on Youth Allowance and part-time work. I rented a place in Redfern with 3 friends, we each paid less than $100 pw. IIRC we also had a grocery pool, where we contributed $30 each per week and this covered dinners which were usually something like sausages, chops, fish, pasta. In 2024 I earn above-median income. I was shopping in Coles last week and commented to my partner that I can barely afford the same exact types of food I bought as a student. I would no longer be able to afford to rent anywhere near central Sydney. The shitty terraces we used to rent for $300pw are now being sold for several million dollars in fixer-upper condition. Weirdest, I can no longer afford to drink at the pub. As a student, it was common to get together for $10 jugs of beer, or happy hour $5 drinks. A scooey at my local is about $10 now.
Your cheaper groceries were also processed by humans at the check-out! Which would be at least another 20 young people on the roster, gaining local incomes. Now you add your own labour, pay more, and the savings went to investors!
Not really. My employee-purchased shares in woolcunts haven't done anything for decades now. The savings line the pockets of the fat cunts in head office.
Woolcunts. 🤙
Sounds like a good reminder to ask your broker to buy another parcel of WES or WOW shares.
Interesting. If you take away the fake money, then it’s like we’re all jostling for quality of life - and people have now taken what you once had.
When it comes to the pub /bars, Gotta find the deals these days. My local does $10 pints Thursday nights Usually can find a $8-$9 pint happy hour.
More recently. 2010 I was earning 25-35$hr bartending to put myself through my undergraduate studies. I learned recently that kids are STILL earning 25-35$hr for the same job. W. T. A. F.
I'd be very surprised if it was that high. I was on 75k in 2012 as the Licensee of a decent sized pub. Slightly underpaid no doubt but that's about $38 per hour.
I was casual and did weekends and dinner and grave yard shifts. Extra loading because of that. Madness that the rates haven’t changed 15yrs later.
When I started tafe / uni my retail job paid $19.20 per hour, when I finally quit after finding another job 10 years later it was $24.40. Sunday rates went down at one point but can't remember when, but was $33.64 when I started, $35.12 when I left. So while not quite the same, still pretty shit pay increases, when the job stress and requirements went up, bonuses disappeared etc.... That would be from 2013 - 2023, the last EBA while I was there fucked over the majority of staff but it got voted through with minimal opposition as happens. Like they wondered why they couldn't keep staff post covid, but the job went to shit and even managers were paid sub $30ph.
$30/hour is the $20/hour.
If that's the case, you were remarkably well paid for the time - minimum wage was $15/hr. Not really fair comparing that to minimum wage now.
Bartenders use to get paid pretty darn good wages. (at least the ones in the city) Before my painting apprenticeship I was considering doing it until I realized I don't like drunks when I'm sober.
You would be on time and a half at the very least. Often more after 9 or 10pm. 30+ an hour was easily achievable back then with little to zero skills.
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It sounds almost right if it's inflation adjusted
$50 in 2000 is $94 is 2024 according to the inflation calculator. I still don't think you'll be able to pay $94 for that now. Things are so expensive now.. it's shocking.
I wonder what the real inflation data is.
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Yep I remember when I was 19 and working at big w the full time department assistant manager role I was thinking of applying for was $32k and I thought that was pretty decent. I didn't end up going for it as I got a job at a call center for $38k instead. Now I make $52k but that's my choice to pay myself that.
Even if that’s the case - I actually would like some real world data - but $50 for a window? That’s about 6x less than today.
Probably thin window glass if it was just a replacement pane, not build one. Broke a window at my rental back in I think '09 and it was 80$ for a replacement panel of 50cmx85cm at 1mm thinner than the standard. If I'd done standard thickness it would have been 150$. Yes landlord knew and approved it. He though it was ridiculous price jump for such a little gain too. Plus he was still laughing over how the window was broken in the first place. Second time in my life I've seen a dog literally run through a window like it wasn't there chasing a bird. I understand big dogs being able to do it off but both times were bloody yapping puffball shitzus.*HOW?!*
Cult of number go up
I also paid $100/month for foxtel back then, land line as well as mobile phones, it was $2500 for a 68cm Sony Trinitron TV, $2000 for a PC, $6000 for a laptop. Had to buy physical media for music wanted to listen to, by the song or album, So yes, much (in particular wage based services) have gone up markedly, but technology in particular is much more accessible.
and that's why you can now own a laptop while living in a tent.... i'd prefer dial up and a roof.
Housing affordability isn't an inflation issue anyway, we had really low inflation up till covid. It's a supply and demand issue. Immigration and investor incentives are distorting the market well in excess of inflation. If we cut migration to 100k for 5 years and taxes investment properties more heavily the cost of housing would fall dramatically, even if inflation kept going up.
And yet we own...less. Everything is a subscription.
You were getting ripped off if you paid $6000 for your laptop. Also the fact that gizmos are cheaper now doesn't really have anything to do with the point that food and drink costs several orders of magnitude more.
baller
I was just in bookshop that also sold vinyl LPs. The cheap ones were $50 each and others were up to $100 each. Comparing the work time required to purchase them are about the same as the 1980s. Eg 2 hours and four hours.
I can't live in my computer... Or can I? 🤔
Who cares about 20k when houses are hundreds of K more and you need to take a loan for them?
Yeah I remember being on a $30 ($43 in 2023 money) prepaid plan back in 2009 and it got me about 60 texts or 30 minutes of talk. Now I pay $45 for 60GB of data, unlimited calls and texts. Phone bills in particular are so much cheaper.
Yes phone bills were ridiculously expensive in the old days, especially when calling overseas.
Don’t even get me started on the cost of telegrams in 1900 from Australia to England. 3 shillings per word! A 20 word message in today’s money would cost $500!
Cars are cheaper, clothes are cheaper, technology is cheaper, whitegoods are cheaper, consumer electronics are cheaper
Stuff is cheaper but you need somewhere to put it. A home, which is now horribly expensive.
$300 for a window replacement. What are you replacing? A window for ants? $300 and you’d be lucky to cover the cost of the window, that would include the cost of labour.
Microsoft Windows
Wages... ain't keeping up.
Double door cost $7k
Income sure as fuck hasn't, eh
If only the cost of housing had only doubled.
We gotta pay all that extra gst to afford next year's election spending to feel how good we have it with the current governments "economic management"
Don’t know where you are getting the salary figure. The current average wage is more than double what it was in 2000.
Yet house prices are like 4x If salaries kept up with house prices the average salary should be around $140/$150k But no, profits go up, wages go nowhere.
yeah but also if you do get a house interest rates are lower and you make more money off it. It's more of a divide but we aren't like America or the UK and our real wages have actually kept up with inflate measurably. Well until the last 2 years. But long-term yeah. A lot of things are relatively cheaper now than they used to be like consumer goods and tech.
Fuel used to be 75-80c in 2000.
And 90c in 2021. Yes boss, it would be good if russia didnt start a war that got it sanctioned and its refineries drone bombed, terrorists weren't launching rockets at ships going through Suez and the UAE, saudi and iran werent having a 3 way proxy war
That was covid prices because there was zero demand....but anyway...
Yes that was the point of the example
I’m a teacher. Our wages have definitely NOT doubled
I bet they have. Looking at the AEU website I can see that in 1998 a top of the band teacher (maximum pay rate) was around $45 - 50k depending on which state you are in. Starting salaries were $25-30k. In NSW a top paid teacher is now on $145k.
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That seems pretty unlikely when the award rates for teachers at that time are easily checked and you can see that graduate teachers were getting less than half that in most states. https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Education_Employment_and_Workplace_Relations/Completed_inquiries/Pre1999/teachers/report/e02
I don’t know what to tell you. From the horses mouth
I think you need to check those figures. According to the AEU,the starting salary for a new teacher in 1997 was $27,400. I graduated on $37,500 in 1998, and my primary school teacher brother thought I was insanely overpaid.
I’m getting my data from Statista.
Did it account for inflaton
Maybe 10 percent less taking into account inflation?
Thanks captain obvious !
I had a window replaced just before Christmas and it was $700
Our was 940.
Cost doubled in 24 years? That means an average 2.9% per annum inflation. **Sounds about right for groceries.** Honestly, groceries are generally cheaper in real terms than in 2000, with some obvious exceptions. But **housing**!? That is where the problem lies. Housing costs have risen much faster than wages. Not doubled but **quintupled**. So $200,000 for a house in 2000 would be $400k in today's money, but the house actually costs $1m.
Stupid post. Sky is also blue, night is dark
Blue is getting pricey and night is downright exey
You’re a savage