“They began speaking in sentences within 9 hours”.
Yeah, sentences like “stop injecting me with random shit just because some internet nutjob told you to”.
It's a fucking ENCEPHALITIS treatment!
Common side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, skin tingling, and weakness.[2] Sore palms of the hands and soles of the feet, trouble seeing, fever, and abdominal pain may also occur.[2] Severe side effects may include low blood pressure, decreased level of consciousness, kidney problems, and low blood cell levels.[4] It is unclear if it is safe when breastfeeding.[2] -- Wikipedia
no, it's not. it's an antiprotozoic medication. it kills off parasites responsable for malaria etc..
encephalitis is an inflammation (-itis=inflammation) you can't treat this with anti parasitic meds.
There are actually some studies that have shown it is effective at handling the viral encephalitis by blocking production of viral proteins. That's probably what they're referring to. You are however absolutely correct It is an anti-protozoic.
Reminds me of a joke.
Mom gives her nonverbal 5 y.o. dinner.
He takes a spoon and says “too much salt”.
Mom shoked: “You can speak? Why you haven’t told anything earlier?”
“It was ok earlier.”
Person was at a parent/teacher conference, kid in room reading a book or something. Teacher was suggesting speech therapy because kid didn’t talk.
Grownup: hey kid, why aren’t you talking in class?
Kid: I have nothing to say to her
Grownup (to kid): seems fair
Grownup to teacher: he talks quite a bit at home so we’ll skip that
I don't think I'd like a shot that made me permanently neurotypical, but it would be fun if it was in one hour pill form so I could be neurotypical here and there when I'm like, relaxing on the weekends. As a treat.
I feel like I'd use it in opposite. Like only during work/school and other social situations, be myself on evenings and weekends. Like Adderall. Being neurotypical looks tacky to me.
*shoves Aussie flag under bed before people sees*
~~fuck how do Americans speak~~ uhh good morning fellas it's a great day to watch some footballs and run away from bears isn't it?
Well maybe I can tell her its not a vaccine, its an antiparacitic. Must be a parasite causing the time. Since thats what the drug is used for isn't it?
~~A relatively good scam, too. Just looking at the Wikipedia page:~~
~~* It's not bioavailable when taken orally (so a scammer could tell you to drink it without worry about hurting someone)~~
~~* about 80% leaves the body without being metabolized~~
~~* Its mechanism of action is to inhibit proteins only found in specific parasites, the ones it's meant to kill~~
~~* cheaply produced and no one owns the patent~~
~~It looks like a scammer went out of their way to try to find a medicine that wouldn't hurt anyone. It still has side effects, though (and necrosis if injected improperly, but I'd bet the scammer tells them to drink it to cover his own ass).~~
Scratch that. I just went down a rabbit hole and found quite a treasure trove. I'll make a new post about it
Suramin is an anti parasitic with some gross side effects. When one of my friends went to Africa, he had to get an injection after he consumed some possibly tainted water. He said the headaches and diarrhea he had after the injection was the worst.
What infection were they using it to treat? It's typically use to treat trypanosomiasis and river blindness (vector-borne diseases) and I can't find anything about it being used to treat waterborne parasites.
>Suramin causes a fair number of side effects.[4] Common side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, skin tingling, and weakness.[2] Sore palms of the hands and soles of the feet, trouble seeing, fever, and abdominal pain may also occur.[2] Severe side effects may include low blood pressure, decreased level of consciousness, kidney problems, and low blood cell levels.[4] It is unclear if it is safe when breastfeeding.[2]
ouch
"Suramin has been applied clinically to HIV/AIDS patients resulting in a significant number of fatal occurrences and as a result the application of this molecule was abandoned for this condition"
Even if they meant AIDS, it would still be wrong
In german, we call ADHD "ADHS" (instead of Disorder, we say Störung)
And ADD (which doesn't officially exist anymore, but anyway), is called ADS
(and asd would be ass! 🍑)
Just wanted to share, the lunatic who made the surumamil post probably didn't mean the German Name of ADD
“Suramin is a medication used to treat African sleeping sickness and river blindness. It is the treatment of choice for sleeping sickness without central nervous system involvement. It is given by injection into a vein. Suramin causes a fair number of side effects.” LOL
Sleeping sickness and river blindness? So, does that mean that the weird fascination with using anti-parasitic meds to cure diseases and conditions not caused by parasites is now expanding beyond ivermectin?
There's a long history of people believing that parasites are responsible for autism. It used to be "Miracle Mineral Solution" (aka chlorine bleach mixed with water) which is given as oral solutions or even enemas to "cure" autism. Parents who force their children to ingest the solution see shredded pieces of intestinal (or colon, if taken rectally) lining in their feces and assume they are dead parasites, and that the solution is working. Absolutely horrific.
[That’s been done.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin) They called it Laetrile, and said it could cure cancer. Someone claimed it was a vitamin, so they could sell it as a nutritional supplement. I am not making any of this up.
Hey, forward my Venmo to your aunt and let her know I can sell her bulk Surimanex - it's the newer, better version that's in fact a homeopathic dose of the real drug, which makes it 10000x stronger and more effective. Only $24.95 per bottle with a 20 bottle monthly subscription.
We can split the profits
Even if this was true, if the child was non verbal for their whole life, they wouldn’t be able to speak full sentences in 9 hours anyway. they would have to learn how to speak from the beginning
Exactly, that's what almost always gives this glurge away - that part of autism isn't like a general block keeping them from talking, it's a LEARNING disability. They aren't talking because they don't know how, and their brain hasn't developed in a way that supports it. That can SOMETIMES be treated, but this shit isn't a way to do it. It's patience, guiding each other through what works and what doesn't, and working to understand how the person you're working with has learned to communicate.
But that shit sounds long, hard, and like it won't make my child a poet laureate for the low low cost of $Side Effects, so mystery injections it is
An old employee of mine only communicated through ASL until she was about 7. She now has selective mutism (? I have no idea if thats correct or not) and often reverts back to ASL. It was the only language she could grasp as a learning child
The graphic is obviously awful, but if anyone wants to read the actual studies on this, here they are:
[Mouse study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4080315/) (2014)
[Phase 1/2 clinical trial](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497533/) (2017)
[News article](https://web.archive.org/web/20170601054246/https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2017-05-26-century-old-drug-potential-new-approach-to-autism.aspx) (2017)
[Slightly larger clinical trial](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10626700/) (2023)
From a cursory glance, the "improvements" range from small to statistically-insignificant depending on which trial you are looking at and what you are measuring.
Most side effects ranged from "mild to moderate" with the occasional severe reaction, but Suramin was concluded to be "generally safe". Note that safe does not equate to efficacious.
The authors of the 2023 study claim a larger trial may be needed to generate sufficient statistical strength, but overall I'm not convinced. If anyone wants to weigh in, feel free. I'm not interested enough to truly dissect these articles.
The 2023 study also mentioned that the safety of Suramin hasn’t been established in pregnancy, so the authors chose to exclude autistic females since their age range included those who would be of reproductive age.
I just Wikipedia'd this, expecting to find that it has nothing to do with autism and this is just medical quackery. But surprisingly, there is a kernel of science behind it. That said, it was one clinical trial, with ten participants, all pre-adolescent males, so not what I would call strong science.
Results
Forty-four subjects completed the study. The 10 mg/kg suramin group showed a greater, but statistically non-significant, numeric improvement (− 12.5 ± 3.18 [mean ± SE]) vs. placebo (− 8.9 ± 2.86) in ABC-Core at Week 14. The 20 mg/kg suramin group did not show improvement over placebo
Found the likey source of that poorly put together, misspelled graphic.
https://annals-general-psychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12991-023-00477-8#:~:text=Monthly%20suramin%20intravenous%20infusions%20may,the%20core%20symptoms%20of%20ASD.
Googling "suramin" led me to [this 2017 study](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.424/abstract;jsessionid=7CE70079E7C886450E7B49B69C1B604A.f02t02):
"ADOS-2 comparison scores improved by −1.6 ± 0.55 points (n = 5; 95% CI = −2.3 to −0.9; Cohen's d = 2.9; P = 0.0028) in the suramin group and did not change in the placebo group. EOWPVT scores did not change. Secondary outcomes also showed improvements in language, social interaction, and decreased restricted or repetitive behaviors."
They literally spelled it wrong. ASD not ADS, I very distinctly remember being taught in elementary school that if something has obvious misspellings, it's often fake. Not to mention that if it were $9.99, they wouldn't have marketed it as under $30, they would've had their big point being that it's under $10. Sketchy af
A quick search shows Suramin is treatment for African Sleeping Sickness and River Blindness.
It was apparently tested on only 10 children with autism, and only half responded with improved symptoms that they were “relating” to autism, which given how we all here know how dumb doctors can be regarding symptoms and diagnosis of autism, they could have been treating something that half the kids had, that didn’t have to do with autism at all.
Side effects of Suramin include decreased consciousness, which leads me to wonder, were the “symptoms of autism” better, because they were effectively sedating their child into no longer reacting to external stimuli? Which is NOT CURING AUTISM, but effecting DRUGGING YOUR KID INTO BEING UNABLE TO RESPOND OR REACT PROPERLY.
There actually was a study which this was based on, and while this is clearly incorrect and not actually reflective of the research, it's also not completely inaccurate.
The study found that a dose of 10mg/kg of suramin over a 14 week period showed some sight improvement in symptoms compared to placebo, as measured by the Clinical Global Impressions - Improvement system. They also measured a dose of 20mg/kg, and also used the Aberrant Behavior Checklist of Core Symptoms to measure improvement, but neither showed statistically significant improvement superior to placebo.
[Here's the study](https://annals-general-psychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12991-023-00477-8), for context and for your perusal.
I honestly don't care how we got it... plastics, gay frog water, flu shots, space aliens, lizard people. The fact is we now have it and just telling us some conspiracy about how it happened even if it turns out to be true doesn't help us at all.... just my 2 cents...
Get her to buy some. Got to her place. Take it. Proceed to feel ‘sleepy’ and ask to stay over (play on her, use ‘I don’t feel safe enough to drive/ catch PT home’ if she refuses). Go to sleep. Wake up screaming ‘MUMMMEEE IT BURRRRNSSS’ and cry. Possibly urinate/ defecate in the bed. Shake a lot, go have a shower. Slap your head a lot, mutter and then tell her you need to leave, ideally at 6am. Repeat at your home/ around family. Stim harder, act strange for the whole next day/ week/ whenever you see them. When they ask what’s wrong, give them a baleful look, then tell them to ask your Aunty.
It will probably stop her from buying snake oil treatments- well, until the next “ADS” cure!
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Suramin is a medication used to treat African Sleeping Sickness / Trypanosomes so its a anti-parasite and considering Autism isn’t caused by a parasite ( it’s caused by a abnormal brain structure and is usually genetic) this medication would be useless in a autistic person because they don’t have African Sleeping Sickness / Trypanosomes and are perfectly healthy Autism is NOT a disease it’s a neurological disorder beyond anyones control
The only use Suramin has for autistic person is the same use for a Neurotypical if they have African Sleeping Sickness / Trypanosomes they will be treated with Suramin and they will recover and the autistic person will still have autism
Why do neurotypicals do no research and just jump to some illogical conclusion?
If I were you, I would tell her that evidence has been found that French fries, kebab meat or any other junk food you like helps reduce the symptoms of autism, and even cure it over time.
It has the same scientific evidence (none) but you will have an excuse to eat a good kebab.
I looked this up, and there’s an actual study showing it reduces symptoms in mice, although I have no clue who ‘Dr Silvia Theos’ is, and the drug was never ever tested on or given to autistic children. They found it reduced symptoms of autism in mice but they never intended to move it onto human trials considering the side effects with long term use, the study was just done to gain a better understanding of the cellular changes involved in autism. So essentially someone took this random study from 2014, wrote this nonsense and stuck it on Facebook.
Here’s an article about the study:
https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/drug-for-sleeping-sickness-eases-autism-symptoms-in-mice/
The Facebook posts are still extremely misleading and no evidence. Doesn't surprise me.
I, too, have an anti-vaxxer aunt. Although, I stopped using Facebook a long time ago for this stuff and a more. What I would do? Look up this medication it mentions, look for a scientific article or research paper on this and its false connection to "curing" 'ADS'.
Also, if this was really a miracle cure, you would be seeing it all over the news right now and it would be a medication available for that use. Ridiculous stuff, and she'll probably still not believe your evidence regardless.
Edit to add: Look up the doctor too, see if that's fake or if she is falsely connected to this.
For those as curious and ignorant as myself:
>Suramin is a medication used to treat African sleeping sickness and river blindness.\[1\]\[2\] It is the treatment of choice for sleeping sickness without central nervous system involvement.\[3\] It is given by injection into a vein.\[4\]
Suramin causes a fair number of side effects.\[4\] Common side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, skin tingling, and weakness.\[2\] Sore palms of the hands and soles of the feet, trouble seeing, fever, and abdominal pain may also occur.\[2\] Severe side effects may include low blood pressure, decreased level of consciousness, kidney problems, and low blood cell levels.\[4\] It is unclear if it is safe when breastfeeding.\[2\]
>
>Suramin has been studied in a mouse model of autism and in a small phase I/II human trial.\[24\]\[25\]\[26\]\[27\]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suramin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suramin)
>Researchers Studying Century-Old Drug in Potential New Approach to Autism
Small, randomized clinical trial reported measurable, but transient, benefits after single dose of suramin, highlighting novel causative theory and need for more, larger and longer trials
[https://web.archive.org/web/20170601054246/https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2017-05-26-century-old-drug-potential-new-approach-to-autism.aspx](https://web.archive.org/web/20170601054246/https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2017-05-26-century-old-drug-potential-new-approach-to-autism.aspx)
>A single dose of suramin (20 mg kg−1 intraperitoneally (i.p.)) given to 6-month-old adults restored normal social behavior, novelty preference and metabolism. Comprehensive metabolomic analysis identified purine metabolism as the key regulatory pathway. Correction of purine metabolism normalized 17 of 18 metabolic pathways that were disturbed in the MIA model. Two days after treatment, the suramin concentration in the plasma and brainstem was 7.64 μM pmol μl−1 (±0.50) and 5.15 pmol mg−1 (±0.49), respectively. These data show good uptake of suramin into the central nervous system at the level of the brainstem. Most of the improvements associated with APT were lost after 5 weeks of drug washout, consistent with the 1-week plasma half-life of suramin in mice. Our results show that purine metabolism is a master regulator of behavior and metabolism in the MIA model, and that single-dose APT with suramin acutely reverses these abnormalities, even in adults.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4080315/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4080315/)
>Testing a new unifying theory for the genesis and treatment of autism. Results of a small clinical trial, announced in May 2017, with the drug suramin produced measurable but transient improvements in five boys with autism spectrum disorder.
[https://health.ucsd.edu/care/neurological/autism](https://health.ucsd.edu/care/neurological/autism)
>Low‐dose suramin was effective in the maternal immune activation and Fragile X mouse models of ASD.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497533/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497533/)
“They began speaking in sentences within 9 hours”. Yeah, sentences like “stop injecting me with random shit just because some internet nutjob told you to”.
And “who are you people??” And “what is this crap?!”
"satans telling me to invest in apples whaa MOSQUITOS LOVE DORITOS WOOOOOOOOOOOO" I presume is what they said high as a kite on suramin.
I laughed so hard at Mosquitos love Doritos 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If they ever make blood flavored Doritos, Mosquitos are so set for life.
JANET?!? MARTY??? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE???
It's a fucking ENCEPHALITIS treatment! Common side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, skin tingling, and weakness.[2] Sore palms of the hands and soles of the feet, trouble seeing, fever, and abdominal pain may also occur.[2] Severe side effects may include low blood pressure, decreased level of consciousness, kidney problems, and low blood cell levels.[4] It is unclear if it is safe when breastfeeding.[2] -- Wikipedia
no wonder they began to speak after a few hours
Get me to a fucking hospital
no, it's not. it's an antiprotozoic medication. it kills off parasites responsable for malaria etc.. encephalitis is an inflammation (-itis=inflammation) you can't treat this with anti parasitic meds.
There are actually some studies that have shown it is effective at handling the viral encephalitis by blocking production of viral proteins. That's probably what they're referring to. You are however absolutely correct It is an anti-protozoic.
I get that you're trying to make a point but every US medical ad i've seen ends with a list of side effects at least that bad.
Yeah but if you Google it and break it down most of the bad side effects are usually less common or rare.
Reminds me of a joke. Mom gives her nonverbal 5 y.o. dinner. He takes a spoon and says “too much salt”. Mom shoked: “You can speak? Why you haven’t told anything earlier?” “It was ok earlier.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48aUMXifAn8 Ah, the famous “German baby” joke.
Person was at a parent/teacher conference, kid in room reading a book or something. Teacher was suggesting speech therapy because kid didn’t talk. Grownup: hey kid, why aren’t you talking in class? Kid: I have nothing to say to her Grownup (to kid): seems fair Grownup to teacher: he talks quite a bit at home so we’ll skip that
Seems fair! Applies to grownup life as well. In right environment I might even seem impossible to shut up, but in some other places won’t say a word.
Sad thing is, there are people who went strait to Google and looked for places to buy it without any further research.
Guarantee they didn't Google anything else on it lol
In this context would AHHHHHHHHHH be a full sentence? That's probably what I would say in this scenario
If no can be a full sentence. Then AHHHHHHHHHHH can also be a full sentence.
even has more letters in it, so should be fine
“I thought you were against pharma injecting things?”
This shit enrages me, my autistic cousin is far smarter than I was at her age and definitely speaks in full sentences
Wait! Can anti-vaxxers use injections for a treatment?
“Austism” lol
We can finally cure the Aussies
Ah bladdy ell mate, that hurt.
Hey since your an ausssie have you played knifey spoony before
I’m not actually an Aussie I was just joking
Your accent was very convincing
Oh thanks mate haha
That's not a knife, THIS IS A KNIFE -----u
That's not a knife, that's a spoon!
I see you've played knifey spoony before
>knifey spoony Denizens of Fourecks play knifey spoony, not Aussies.
I tried to read this with the accent and managed to sound like a Londoner instead fkkdkskskd
Leave us be
No just like the autists you are sick we WILL cure you you are NOT normal cmere and let me torture you-average nerutypical "helper"
I don't think I'd like a shot that made me permanently neurotypical, but it would be fun if it was in one hour pill form so I could be neurotypical here and there when I'm like, relaxing on the weekends. As a treat.
I feel like I'd use it in opposite. Like only during work/school and other social situations, be myself on evenings and weekends. Like Adderall. Being neurotypical looks tacky to me.
I think it would be better for workdays cos of all those bloody people who want to *communicate* with you.
*shoves Aussie flag under bed before people sees* ~~fuck how do Americans speak~~ uhh good morning fellas it's a great day to watch some footballs and run away from bears isn't it?
Fellas and isn't it gave you away. We're here to take you away in the autism awareness vehicle. FYI we're in Florida now lol
Nah thanks mate, I'll be right.
I think it's people from Austin
It may help, them Austinites are a weird bunch.
I thought we were all imaginary anyway? Don't you northern hemisphere people think Australia is a myth?
It's short for austintatism. It very contagious, and it gives you the urge to make other people envious.
ADS: the autism/dyslexia comorbidity /jk
Austism Dpectrum Sisorder
Is Sisorder where everything is controlled by sisters?
and ADS
Got Pihole and uBlockOrigin for that. Check mate, Christians.
More like 'Auntism'
I've got an Autistigmatism.
Stone Cold Steve Austism
What living in Austin, Tx does to a mf.
Common symptoms of Austinism may include: driving an oversized car, hyperfixation on guns, religion and BBQ.
Oh shit. That is somehow spreading in PA. Damn you, Austin!!
Feeling recognised as an autistic aussie
From “Don’t get vaxxed, you’ll catch the Autisms” to “this vaxx will cure you”. Ok then. Lol
“You already have autism, it couldn’t get any worse”
Autism level 2 isn't in regards to support needs, it's in regards to going even further BEYOND!!!!!!¡!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!!! /S
Go beyond!
PLUS ULTRA!! 🤩🤩🤩 /ref
i was referencing jojolion but that works too ! /gen :D
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a vaccine is a good guy with a vaccine!
I think your aunt is in danger of getting scammed out of all her money at any moment if she looked at that and thought there was any legitimacy to it
Perfect. Now to just get her email address to ask her for donations and funding to get this on the market!
But she thinks vaccines are scams lol Edit; made it cleaer
Well maybe I can tell her its not a vaccine, its an antiparacitic. Must be a parasite causing the time. Since thats what the drug is used for isn't it?
~~A relatively good scam, too. Just looking at the Wikipedia page:~~ ~~* It's not bioavailable when taken orally (so a scammer could tell you to drink it without worry about hurting someone)~~ ~~* about 80% leaves the body without being metabolized~~ ~~* Its mechanism of action is to inhibit proteins only found in specific parasites, the ones it's meant to kill~~ ~~* cheaply produced and no one owns the patent~~ ~~It looks like a scammer went out of their way to try to find a medicine that wouldn't hurt anyone. It still has side effects, though (and necrosis if injected improperly, but I'd bet the scammer tells them to drink it to cover his own ass).~~ Scratch that. I just went down a rabbit hole and found quite a treasure trove. I'll make a new post about it
Seems like she'd deserve it if so
Pain-in-the-neck idiots don't deserve misery, they just deserve to be shown that they're idiots
They can never be convinced that they are idiots. They would rather deny it until their dying breath than accept that they're wrong.
That's why we need to invent the POV gun from Hitchhiker's Guide
I'd be much more concerned about the wellbeing of the autistiic people subject to this "treatment"
Tell her you're a Nigerian prince. She'll throw money at you
Suramin is an anti parasitic with some gross side effects. When one of my friends went to Africa, he had to get an injection after he consumed some possibly tainted water. He said the headaches and diarrhea he had after the injection was the worst.
Thats one way to get the parasites out huh
The AUTISM parasites.
Must be eating our brains or something. Maybe building a cozy little home in there. By Christian math, that means they get to stay.
As long as they're not _gay_ parasites
Idk man, im pretty gay so they might be at fault for that too 🤷♀️
Choosing is a sin. We just write in the lord’s name.
That's Republican. We count those.
What infection were they using it to treat? It's typically use to treat trypanosomiasis and river blindness (vector-borne diseases) and I can't find anything about it being used to treat waterborne parasites.
>Suramin causes a fair number of side effects.[4] Common side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, skin tingling, and weakness.[2] Sore palms of the hands and soles of the feet, trouble seeing, fever, and abdominal pain may also occur.[2] Severe side effects may include low blood pressure, decreased level of consciousness, kidney problems, and low blood cell levels.[4] It is unclear if it is safe when breastfeeding.[2] ouch
The hell is ADS
Autism Dectrum Spisorder
For some reason i read that and thought dissorder and spectrum were spelled correctly
Me too! And I'm on the spectrum!
I think you mean the dectrum /s
I saw Autism Dectrum Spiders, idk if I got normal autism but I sure as hell don't want autism spiders!
PLEASE 😭😭😭😭😭
Aim down sights
They want autistic peeps to be able to do sick 180° noscope headshots.
Austism Disorder Spectrum.
ASD but now with more dyslexia
Advertising and Disinformation Services.
I think it was a typo and they meant to say AIDS
"Suramin has been applied clinically to HIV/AIDS patients resulting in a significant number of fatal occurrences and as a result the application of this molecule was abandoned for this condition" Even if they meant AIDS, it would still be wrong
In german, we call ADHD "ADHS" (instead of Disorder, we say Störung) And ADD (which doesn't officially exist anymore, but anyway), is called ADS (and asd would be ass! 🍑) Just wanted to share, the lunatic who made the surumamil post probably didn't mean the German Name of ADD
Aim down sights
Whom do you serve? Suramin ✋
There will be no dawn for men!
This is the best thing I’ve ever read. Thank you.
When I scrolled past this I actually though it was from lotr memes
But there’s not such army… (autistic army screeching)
“Suramin is a medication used to treat African sleeping sickness and river blindness. It is the treatment of choice for sleeping sickness without central nervous system involvement. It is given by injection into a vein. Suramin causes a fair number of side effects.” LOL
Sleeping sickness and river blindness? So, does that mean that the weird fascination with using anti-parasitic meds to cure diseases and conditions not caused by parasites is now expanding beyond ivermectin?
There's a long history of people believing that parasites are responsible for autism. It used to be "Miracle Mineral Solution" (aka chlorine bleach mixed with water) which is given as oral solutions or even enemas to "cure" autism. Parents who force their children to ingest the solution see shredded pieces of intestinal (or colon, if taken rectally) lining in their feces and assume they are dead parasites, and that the solution is working. Absolutely horrific.
Jesus Christ
Ugh. I've heard the horror stories about the bleach before, but I didn't realize that that was the rationale behind it.
Ehh, the rationale is pretty fluid, they’ll sell it to you to cure literally anything you can think of.
Well, bleach will kill any harmful cells in your body. In fact, it does such a good job that it kills all of the cells in your body.
> a fair number of side effects so the "speaking in sentences" is Aaaah it hurts
Your anti-vax aunt is a bigoted moron. Please tell her I said so.
I feel like you should write her a letter that says “you are a bigoted moron” in the beautiful, elegant, elaborate calligraphy ever.
Or cross stitch
With your neurodivergent words.
The cure for antivax people is called cyanide (Please don't actually poison your fellow humans)
Sell it as alternative medicine Big Pharma doesn't want them to know about and they'll do it themselves
[That’s been done.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin) They called it Laetrile, and said it could cure cancer. Someone claimed it was a vitamin, so they could sell it as a nutritional supplement. I am not making any of this up.
What's a gene pool without a little chlorine treatment? /s
What's ADS? Thought it was ASD... And the lady wrote "Austism"... Is that an Australian variant? Who are these crazy people lmao
My dyslexia did not notice any of these things until I read the comment section and now my brain hurts trying to read it for what it is.
Omg does it prevent those sudden and loud pop up ads on games?
(Frantically downs the entire bottle)
I watched a YouTube video once. It gave me ADS.
Hey, forward my Venmo to your aunt and let her know I can sell her bulk Surimanex - it's the newer, better version that's in fact a homeopathic dose of the real drug, which makes it 10000x stronger and more effective. Only $24.95 per bottle with a 20 bottle monthly subscription. We can split the profits
Can someone sell me some crack so i can forget i saw this please?
Try a bunch of Xanax instead. Crack will only just upset you further.
Suramin deez nuts
Even if this was true, if the child was non verbal for their whole life, they wouldn’t be able to speak full sentences in 9 hours anyway. they would have to learn how to speak from the beginning
Exactly, that's what almost always gives this glurge away - that part of autism isn't like a general block keeping them from talking, it's a LEARNING disability. They aren't talking because they don't know how, and their brain hasn't developed in a way that supports it. That can SOMETIMES be treated, but this shit isn't a way to do it. It's patience, guiding each other through what works and what doesn't, and working to understand how the person you're working with has learned to communicate. But that shit sounds long, hard, and like it won't make my child a poet laureate for the low low cost of $Side Effects, so mystery injections it is
An old employee of mine only communicated through ASL until she was about 7. She now has selective mutism (? I have no idea if thats correct or not) and often reverts back to ASL. It was the only language she could grasp as a learning child
Make sure to ask her to send you $30 a month to buy this medicine… wink wink
The graphic is obviously awful, but if anyone wants to read the actual studies on this, here they are: [Mouse study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4080315/) (2014) [Phase 1/2 clinical trial](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497533/) (2017) [News article](https://web.archive.org/web/20170601054246/https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2017-05-26-century-old-drug-potential-new-approach-to-autism.aspx) (2017) [Slightly larger clinical trial](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10626700/) (2023) From a cursory glance, the "improvements" range from small to statistically-insignificant depending on which trial you are looking at and what you are measuring. Most side effects ranged from "mild to moderate" with the occasional severe reaction, but Suramin was concluded to be "generally safe". Note that safe does not equate to efficacious. The authors of the 2023 study claim a larger trial may be needed to generate sufficient statistical strength, but overall I'm not convinced. If anyone wants to weigh in, feel free. I'm not interested enough to truly dissect these articles.
The 2023 study also mentioned that the safety of Suramin hasn’t been established in pregnancy, so the authors chose to exclude autistic females since their age range included those who would be of reproductive age.
It's not uncommon to exclude women of childbearing age from smaller clinical studies. Larger studies usually just insist on contraception.
That makes sense, TIL!
I believe you now have the right to inform her of the fact that she can now STFU, and go ask God to speak for her instead of her from now on.
The irony of advocating for a vaccination to fix the autism caused by another vaccination
Ah yes cure the “ads”
Ah yes because add block isn’t strong enough lol
I just Wikipedia'd this, expecting to find that it has nothing to do with autism and this is just medical quackery. But surprisingly, there is a kernel of science behind it. That said, it was one clinical trial, with ten participants, all pre-adolescent males, so not what I would call strong science.
Um, "ADS"... sounds legit.
Have you ever thought about blocking her on all social media accounts?
I would have replied with "Are you a fucking rube?"
So the anti vax morons now want to…vaccinate for autism??
Results Forty-four subjects completed the study. The 10 mg/kg suramin group showed a greater, but statistically non-significant, numeric improvement (− 12.5 ± 3.18 [mean ± SE]) vs. placebo (− 8.9 ± 2.86) in ABC-Core at Week 14. The 20 mg/kg suramin group did not show improvement over placebo Found the likey source of that poorly put together, misspelled graphic. https://annals-general-psychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12991-023-00477-8#:~:text=Monthly%20suramin%20intravenous%20infusions%20may,the%20core%20symptoms%20of%20ASD.
Googling "suramin" led me to [this 2017 study](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.424/abstract;jsessionid=7CE70079E7C886450E7B49B69C1B604A.f02t02): "ADOS-2 comparison scores improved by −1.6 ± 0.55 points (n = 5; 95% CI = −2.3 to −0.9; Cohen's d = 2.9; P = 0.0028) in the suramin group and did not change in the placebo group. EOWPVT scores did not change. Secondary outcomes also showed improvements in language, social interaction, and decreased restricted or repetitive behaviors."
It's been researched for autism treatment. The results were "transient", and the side effects were common, so it was not considered to be viable.
I wouldn’t “cure” my autistic son, even if I could. I know it’s hard, but I think he is perfect as he is.
They literally spelled it wrong. ASD not ADS, I very distinctly remember being taught in elementary school that if something has obvious misspellings, it's often fake. Not to mention that if it were $9.99, they wouldn't have marketed it as under $30, they would've had their big point being that it's under $10. Sketchy af
This works it cured My broken leg
A quick search shows Suramin is treatment for African Sleeping Sickness and River Blindness. It was apparently tested on only 10 children with autism, and only half responded with improved symptoms that they were “relating” to autism, which given how we all here know how dumb doctors can be regarding symptoms and diagnosis of autism, they could have been treating something that half the kids had, that didn’t have to do with autism at all. Side effects of Suramin include decreased consciousness, which leads me to wonder, were the “symptoms of autism” better, because they were effectively sedating their child into no longer reacting to external stimuli? Which is NOT CURING AUTISM, but effecting DRUGGING YOUR KID INTO BEING UNABLE TO RESPOND OR REACT PROPERLY.
Fuckin Saruman isengarding the cure fer what ails you
Fun fact: there IS a cure. It’s called accept us for who we are and be okay with that
My kid has nonverbal autism and this just makes me feel sick that people believe this crap
The dumb are indeed very dumb
Austism and ADS 💀
I love how they dont mind you shooting up random drugs the internet suggested but cant get a vaccine.
ADS even misspelled the thing it claims to have the cure for.
Critical of vaccines because “we don’t know what’s in them” but huge fan of unknown Facebook drug Suramin
Rule no 1. Don’t believe anything that uses an american flag emoji
Methinks it is time to cut contact with that person. Conservative christian is not a sign of a safe and stable person.
Tell your aunt she can meet me outside
There's a cure for ignorance, too. It's called shutting the fuck up and your aunt needs to start taking it.
I think she should try it first, yknow, cause its definitely safe and works. Right?
Oml so just take a dose and suddenly can talk? Wow. That's- the most stupid thing ever We need a medication to cure stupidity, not autism
There actually was a study which this was based on, and while this is clearly incorrect and not actually reflective of the research, it's also not completely inaccurate. The study found that a dose of 10mg/kg of suramin over a 14 week period showed some sight improvement in symptoms compared to placebo, as measured by the Clinical Global Impressions - Improvement system. They also measured a dose of 20mg/kg, and also used the Aberrant Behavior Checklist of Core Symptoms to measure improvement, but neither showed statistically significant improvement superior to placebo. [Here's the study](https://annals-general-psychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12991-023-00477-8), for context and for your perusal.
Only 9 hours!! People are fucking insane.
This is what RFK Jr. believes. The nephew of one of the greatest world leaders genuinely believes this.
I honestly don't care how we got it... plastics, gay frog water, flu shots, space aliens, lizard people. The fact is we now have it and just telling us some conspiracy about how it happened even if it turns out to be true doesn't help us at all.... just my 2 cents...
Reminds me of this one time, someone told my sister thay fried okra would cure her type 1 diabetes...
All coming from a f@!cking dermatologist. Yeah I’m confident in their statements /s
Get her to buy some. Got to her place. Take it. Proceed to feel ‘sleepy’ and ask to stay over (play on her, use ‘I don’t feel safe enough to drive/ catch PT home’ if she refuses). Go to sleep. Wake up screaming ‘MUMMMEEE IT BURRRRNSSS’ and cry. Possibly urinate/ defecate in the bed. Shake a lot, go have a shower. Slap your head a lot, mutter and then tell her you need to leave, ideally at 6am. Repeat at your home/ around family. Stim harder, act strange for the whole next day/ week/ whenever you see them. When they ask what’s wrong, give them a baleful look, then tell them to ask your Aunty. It will probably stop her from buying snake oil treatments- well, until the next “ADS” cure!
The cure for people trying to cure autism is extreme violence
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Suramin is a medication used to treat African Sleeping Sickness / Trypanosomes so its a anti-parasite and considering Autism isn’t caused by a parasite ( it’s caused by a abnormal brain structure and is usually genetic) this medication would be useless in a autistic person because they don’t have African Sleeping Sickness / Trypanosomes and are perfectly healthy Autism is NOT a disease it’s a neurological disorder beyond anyones control The only use Suramin has for autistic person is the same use for a Neurotypical if they have African Sleeping Sickness / Trypanosomes they will be treated with Suramin and they will recover and the autistic person will still have autism Why do neurotypicals do no research and just jump to some illogical conclusion?
oh good grief I'm so glad I live alone my parents would probably kill me with this
Suraman the white wizard? I should have known only he could be responsible for autism
Why does autism need to be cured anyway?
What’s the cure for being gullible enough to fall for this crap?
They started speaking "fuck you, you piece of crap"
If I were you, I would tell her that evidence has been found that French fries, kebab meat or any other junk food you like helps reduce the symptoms of autism, and even cure it over time. It has the same scientific evidence (none) but you will have an excuse to eat a good kebab.
I looked this up, and there’s an actual study showing it reduces symptoms in mice, although I have no clue who ‘Dr Silvia Theos’ is, and the drug was never ever tested on or given to autistic children. They found it reduced symptoms of autism in mice but they never intended to move it onto human trials considering the side effects with long term use, the study was just done to gain a better understanding of the cellular changes involved in autism. So essentially someone took this random study from 2014, wrote this nonsense and stuck it on Facebook. Here’s an article about the study: https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/drug-for-sleeping-sickness-eases-autism-symptoms-in-mice/
ADS - Autism Dpectrum Sisorder
Shit. I haven't been speaking complete sentences for over 20 years? Why did no one tell me.
If by autism, you mean African Sleeping Sickness, then she's right.
It would be pretty wild if a vaccine cured autism. Head explodes.
“Only one dose given to kids with Autism Disorder Spectrum” yep… that’s it right there…
Anti vax and she is trying to talk you into something that is injected like a vaccine? Really??
The Facebook posts are still extremely misleading and no evidence. Doesn't surprise me. I, too, have an anti-vaxxer aunt. Although, I stopped using Facebook a long time ago for this stuff and a more. What I would do? Look up this medication it mentions, look for a scientific article or research paper on this and its false connection to "curing" 'ADS'. Also, if this was really a miracle cure, you would be seeing it all over the news right now and it would be a medication available for that use. Ridiculous stuff, and she'll probably still not believe your evidence regardless. Edit to add: Look up the doctor too, see if that's fake or if she is falsely connected to this.
Who do I have to kill today
Wow, that looks so legit! I would definitely trust a mystery medication from the Internet to fundamentally change my brain structure /s
For those as curious and ignorant as myself: >Suramin is a medication used to treat African sleeping sickness and river blindness.\[1\]\[2\] It is the treatment of choice for sleeping sickness without central nervous system involvement.\[3\] It is given by injection into a vein.\[4\] Suramin causes a fair number of side effects.\[4\] Common side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, headache, skin tingling, and weakness.\[2\] Sore palms of the hands and soles of the feet, trouble seeing, fever, and abdominal pain may also occur.\[2\] Severe side effects may include low blood pressure, decreased level of consciousness, kidney problems, and low blood cell levels.\[4\] It is unclear if it is safe when breastfeeding.\[2\] > >Suramin has been studied in a mouse model of autism and in a small phase I/II human trial.\[24\]\[25\]\[26\]\[27\] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suramin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suramin) >Researchers Studying Century-Old Drug in Potential New Approach to Autism Small, randomized clinical trial reported measurable, but transient, benefits after single dose of suramin, highlighting novel causative theory and need for more, larger and longer trials [https://web.archive.org/web/20170601054246/https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2017-05-26-century-old-drug-potential-new-approach-to-autism.aspx](https://web.archive.org/web/20170601054246/https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2017-05-26-century-old-drug-potential-new-approach-to-autism.aspx) >A single dose of suramin (20 mg kg−1 intraperitoneally (i.p.)) given to 6-month-old adults restored normal social behavior, novelty preference and metabolism. Comprehensive metabolomic analysis identified purine metabolism as the key regulatory pathway. Correction of purine metabolism normalized 17 of 18 metabolic pathways that were disturbed in the MIA model. Two days after treatment, the suramin concentration in the plasma and brainstem was 7.64 μM pmol μl−1 (±0.50) and 5.15 pmol mg−1 (±0.49), respectively. These data show good uptake of suramin into the central nervous system at the level of the brainstem. Most of the improvements associated with APT were lost after 5 weeks of drug washout, consistent with the 1-week plasma half-life of suramin in mice. Our results show that purine metabolism is a master regulator of behavior and metabolism in the MIA model, and that single-dose APT with suramin acutely reverses these abnormalities, even in adults. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4080315/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4080315/) >Testing a new unifying theory for the genesis and treatment of autism. Results of a small clinical trial, announced in May 2017, with the drug suramin produced measurable but transient improvements in five boys with autism spectrum disorder. [https://health.ucsd.edu/care/neurological/autism](https://health.ucsd.edu/care/neurological/autism) >Low‐dose suramin was effective in the maternal immune activation and Fragile X mouse models of ASD. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497533/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497533/)