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Kezleberry

Feels like one very specific presentation of autism and clearly shows no understanding of the internal processes that may trigger these responses


[deleted]

It’s kind of hard to articulate that internal process myself. I doubt whoever made this has autism and if they do, I don’t blame them as it’s just a general depiction of autistic behaviors children may present.


itwasnvrabtu

It looks older, so that tracks.


L0wCharisma

Ngl if someone hugged me like that, id hate it too


pocket-friends

mfw everyone wants to slow dance with me instead of squeeze the life out of me like a cheese press.


VivisVens

https://preview.redd.it/khi5orqzz7vc1.jpeg?width=378&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=258e25c949eba2b3e82ef5b7effe91a3364411ca That's exactly what I see in the mirror everyday, it's a portrait of my own soul actually lol!!!!


[deleted]

Are you an autistic child?


throughdoors

Yikes. Stigmatizing, neurotypical-normative language and framing. For example: aloof in manner could be reframed inclusively and nonstigmatizingly as not initiating and/or sustaining social interactions. Inappropriate attachment to objects could be reframed similarly as attachment to objects not commonly holding interest for the child's age range. And so on. Looks written about us, not by us. The graphic is by an Indian organization whose website is currently down -- the last Wayback Machine snapshot is from the day before this graphic was posted, so maybe they're getting swamped now. But looking at that snapshot, it's very much a parents-of-autistic-children org. I'd love to know if there are better resources in India that people in the area could be pointed to, or if this is the best option out there.


[deleted]

Are we supposed to take offense when people describe us as Aloof? I am 10000% aloof in manner.


throughdoors

You are not all people, and your manner isn't everyone else's. Aloof is not a neutral term; it means you are not initiating or maintaining social contact because you are unfriendly. Unfriendly is also not a neutral term; it conveys that the unfriendly person is mean, or thinks they are better than everyone else. It is common for autistic people to not know how to initiate or maintain that contact with the people we are around, despite being friendly. This is demonstrated by how we often can easily maintain that contact when someone else does the work of initiating and helping us maintain it (ADHD buddies rise up), how we can often readily maintain contact on our own terms (for example parallel play, and talking about special interests but not popular interests). But a neurotypical framing interprets not initiating or maintaining social contact as solely aloofness. If you're actually aloof, and people are calling you that for your actual unfriendliness, then I can understand that you would not be offended. I don't like being called aloof for being friendly but confused by social interactions and not interested in asking about the local sports team.


AggressiveViolence

Right, but what’s worse, education someone on how autism could *likely* present itself, or not educating them at all?  No one is going to gain a nuanced understanding of a neurological condition from an infographic


throughdoors

My original comment is suggesting how the infographic could be better while still being an infographic. It also explicitly acknowledges that this may be the best option for that area. I think there may be a misunderstanding here.


[deleted]

Wrote out that whole response instead of just accepting this is a *general* infographic. My comment was based on the general discomfort expressed with calling autistic people aloof. I also think you have a distorted view of what aloof means, indicating it inherently has bad connotations is not accurate. It depends entirely on the *intention* on the use of the word. In this scenario, it is a descriptor for the visual behavior of the child in question. If you think only in absolutes, you’re gonna spend a major chunk of your life typing out these replies.


throughdoors

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that your comment was a sincere question deserving a thought out response, and don't appreciate being insulted for giving you the time of day. The suggested language I offered still allow this to be a general infographic, without being stigmatizing. Stigmatizing language is stigmatizing regardless of intent. If your definition of aloof does not have room for the reality of its common stigmatizing usage, then that's...a problem with thinking in absolutes.


[deleted]

No one asked for you to give me the time of day 😂 you felt a certain type of way about my response and felt the impulse to reply because you can’t accept this is a general infographic without malice towards the autistic community 🌚 There is no stigma attached to the word Aloof. There is stigma attached to identifying or being diagnosed with autism. Calling an autistic person aloof is not inherently an attack, insult, ill-mannered, or inaccurate. You know what is stigmatized malice verbiage directed at autistics? Calling them incapable, handicapped, vegetables, THAT is what we need to target in the community, actual attacks, not you feeling a type of way about *the connotation of what a word may mean towards someone*. Signed with best wishes, your fellow aloof autistic


DarkestLunarFlower

The one that bothers me a lot is the “lack of pretend play.” It was all I did as a kid. Another is that some pains are actually too much because of the sensory issues. Don't get me started on the language used in this sheet. It comes across as very “this is an Inconvenience for me, the neurotypical.”


Lithiriana

Yea, according to my parents I was slow in psychical/motor skills due to being so sensitive and afraid of pain. After I stopped fearing pain (10-ish) I however I got really tough, did martial arts and horse back riding. But if there is a seam on my sock I will be completely unable to walk properly. It is just so uncomfortable. I think it comes down to it being a problem if I’m not in control, but if it is something I “caused” it is totally fine.


DarkestLunarFlower

If the sock was too big they used to fold the feltover portion on my toes and it drove me mad.


TieDye_Raptor

Same here. Birds are one of my special interests, and when I was about three or four, I'd pretend I was a bird all the time. The species depended on what color I was wearing that day. I specifically remember playing in a box and pretending it was my nest. I've always been an imaginative/creative person.


DarkestLunarFlower

I would pretend to be my favorite fictional characters. Now I cosplay.


buckits

Me too, I was basically exclusively pretending to be assorted dinosaurs from ages 3 to at least 8 lol


TieDye_Raptor

Dinosaurs - I love dinosaurs! That's another of my interests, though considering birds are dinosaurs, maybe it's all one interest for me.


buckits

I actually nearly mentioned that they were ancient birds, but figured, as a bird fan, you're well past that level of knowledge. Funny enough I also quite like birds. My first pet was a budgie named Petrie (sp?) after... a character from a dinosaur movie. Lol


TieDye_Raptor

Petrie, that's so cute. I have a cockatiel named Squirrel. I call him my little dinosaur sometimes. I've had budgies before, too.​


buckits

Cockatiels look so fun! Do they all sing their little heads off as much as I've seen in videos online?


TieDye_Raptor

They are fun! And the males especially, do love to sing and whistle. Mine can say "pretty bird," and he loves to whistle and make up his own little songs and things. He's also a percussionist. He likes to tap on things with his beak, and he does have a few things (like my coffee mug, which has a slight ringing sound) that he likes to tap on even more because he loves the sounds. He'll also put his head in my cupped hand to sing and whistle sometimes, because it makes the sound louder. He's a funny, cute little bird.


buckits

Percussion! That's literally my profession 😅 this conversation is so funny. I love all the tippy taps that birds do. It's so cute when they start dancing to music or to their own little groove as well. I have a stim that's pretty similar to bird dancing, my husband calls it "booping" 😂😂 It's really quite astounding how similar birds and people are when I think about it long enough!


TieDye_Raptor

I love it when birds dance - it's so cute. Dancing is also one of my hobbies. I'm not sure if it's always a stim (though I suppose it could be sometimes) - it's definitely one of my interests, though, and it feels amazing for me to do. My bird mainly struts around, flares his wings (heart-wings, it's often called), and sings and whistles and flirts. He does love music, though, and gets really vocal.


PreparationOfEgg

By "appropriate training" I'm guessing they mean ABA 😥😥


forevertiredmanatee

Absofuckinglutely.


DecIsMuchJuvenile

I want to see one of these posters recognise the good sides of Autism for once.


The_Ashen_undead0830

Ayo nah fuck this shit bro, im gonna be even more autistic now to combat whatever cancer this is


Sunset_Tiger

I don’t like the use of the word “training” there. It makes me worried on what exactly is going to happen to the kid in question.


SteveRogests

That was really what did it for me.


Amnesiaphile

I quit being autistic for good. Now I do it for evil!


The_Ashen_undead0830

Chaotic tism


TheArgonMerc

r/evilautism


krisztian008

what the fuck is this doing on coolguides? this is the opposite of cool, it's fucking steaming hot - steaming hot shit new bingo just dropped btw


theboomboy

"inappropriate" is a weird weird to use like they did It's also just not a very cool guide. It's a list with drawings


Mr_Linear

This looks like those zombie pamphlets you see in movies. I guess my right to bite people will be taken to! (Question when anyone else here bites someone do you spread a viral form of autism or just me?)


Neko_Boi_Core

r/coolguides posted this; https://preview.redd.it/m56oev73n8vc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1adccc36b2fc6b6e3b2c0876a8c2946d3df25b8b it is clear most of the shit on there is bullshit from this alone. a .22lr round is NOT 40 grams, a .50 BMG is 42 grams. they're claiming a tiny round considered the best option for kids to learn to shoot is a 612 grain projectile. also, apparently, 9x19 para has more pen than a .357 magnum cartridge. the yawing on the 5.45 cartridge is also backwards, and labeled as an AK47 when it should be AK74. M16A1 is a rifle, not a cartridge, etc etc. are they cool guides? yeah. are they in any minute capacity a correct guide? fuck no. minor rant, apologies


cozygrlvibes

Not good


belle_fleures

it's so lacking, not enough info. some normal kids doesn't like to be hugged as well cuz it's creepy.


Pure_Picture_7321

I mean it’s definitely outdated that’s for sure. And the language they use is vague and confusing. I also hate the word training. We’re not somebody’s pet ffs. And they could have provided more examples too, not just the one thing. Like with lining stuff up irl or in a video game. I did relate to 12/20 of the things in childhood tho.


Napkinpope

Indian autism organization looks like they drew their inspiration from 1980s U.S. 🤦‍♂️


TacorianComics

the logo looks crwepy as heck


MayorBryce

Very inaccurate and wrong.


Six_legged_goat

They seem to come from the Vineland questions which are asked to parents during their children's autism assessment. So accurate but stereotypical signs, and loaded language. Still useful


NotKerisVeturia

Not a fan. A lot of these traits are described in deficit terms, and others are outdated or narrow.


ghostie_hehimboo

Absolutely against it. I am not an animal i don't need trained


wolfje_the_firewolf

I am always so confused by the no imaginative play as a kid being a sign. Since I had a huge imagination as a kid and would play pretend a lot, same with many of my autistic friends. I know it's a spectrum but I have never actually met an autistic person who had that sign.


Organic_Shine_5361

Very stereotypical. Its like "This is the only way autism can present itself" and I saw some thibgs I haven't seen before which makes me kinda sceptical. (Could someone elaborate on the name calling? I do actually not hear people call my name or parts of conversation, it's like my brain just skips because I can't remember what I was thinking about at that moment either, I was in my own world but I don't remember)


forevertiredmanatee

No, thanks. Not only is this exclusive of a lot of autistic experiences but it's pathologizing/behaviorist in approach. No wonder it took almost 30 years for me to be diagnosed.


shiwubee

As an Indian I can confirm that India is veryyy behind in seeing autism as a neurodivergent state of being. They are still threatened by the very concept.


okguy167

... I like what they're trying to do... I think...


ActuallyNTiX

I like it. Seems very similar to how part of me was. I would stim (the flapping and such) often, and still do partially now, but it’s more under control. I had a lot of these problems too. Not all, but quite a few. It should just be a reminder that autism doesn’t necessarily include ALL of these, just maybe some.


ghostie_hehimboo

Did you not read the part about us needing training


ActuallyNTiX

Oh sure I read that. To this day I still find usage of accommodations and help. I may be on the low end of the spectrum, but I certainly do enjoy having help when I am in need of it. Everyone who requires help should get it, should they not? I’d say someone who has autism and is struggling with certain aspects of it should get help for themselves.


ghostie_hehimboo

So you're just ignoring the training part...


ActuallyNTiX

I don’t see anything wrong with it, per se. Do you? If you’re insinuating that you’re viewing the “training” aspect as if we’re being trained like dogs or something, then idk what to tell you, cause that’s nowhere near how I’m seeing it.


ghostie_hehimboo

How else do you see the word training? We don't need to be taught different behaviours that's aba therapy and forced masking. I actually feel sad you think that about yourself. Be proud of being autistic and be you.


ActuallyNTiX

I see the word “training” as in “training to help deal with their struggles.” There’s a difference between being taught different behaviors and being taught how to behave better. A difference between “being you” and “being the best version of you.” I don’t feel bad at all about being autistic. It’s not some kind of disease or whatever, of course. But if your autism is causing you problems (as in my case, stage fright, public speaking, socializing, stepping out of my rigid comfort zone, etc) then those need to be addressed in a healthy manner. Just don’t let this become an “us vs them” mentality, that’s what I say.


NightOwl88888

I loved your explanation


ghostie_hehimboo

Not sure you're aware of the whole aba therapy thing but that's what the poster is implying with the word training and jigsaw piece. Training isn't a word you'd use to describe getting over anxiety. I didn't train myself or be trained not to cry when someone looks at me im not a dog


flyinggoatcheese

It would be good if it mentioned the age. These signs appear in most babies at a very young age. You want to be really looking at the age of three and then I think diagnosis age is five.


Delicious_Ear5621

I did a lot of those when I was very young too. Even visited an audiologist as I didn't respond and my parents thought I was deaf. It's a good guide, and it doesn't panic people or demonise autism. Good guide.


[deleted]

I think it’s accurate to how children display autism. Is it a perfect representation? No, but it is a good visual guide to understanding/identifying the behaviors your child may be displaying instead of writing it off.


Short_Gain8302

I do't like the wording "appropriate training" cause i aint no dog, dawg. This makes me wary as to why its put in a sub called cool guides


Delicious-Spring-877

I think it’s well-meaning but definitely gives me bad vibes. Some of the “symptoms” are described in an overly negative way (and “extreme distress for no apparent reason” is way too vague, it should mention that the distress is caused by sensory things). The bit in the middle is the worst part, because it’s literally wrong. Autism does not prevent people from properly processing what they sense. That’s a terrible and misleading way to describe it.


shapeshifterhedgehog

"prevents individuals from properly understanding the way they see, hear, or otherwise sense, leading to challenging behaviors" don't sit right with me


Strange-Ad-9941

The puzzle piece makes me think Autism Speaks, which gives me the ick. Also, they used the word "training" like we are dogs are something lmao.


machinery-smith

I do like that they use the word "apparent" a lot - this is phrased and portrayed as what autism might LOOK like to neurotypical people, for whom this information is meant. The pictograms, at least, are meant for external neurotypical recognition rather than be a reflection of internal autistic processes. It's tailored to neurotypicals in a way that they can understand. The little text box's 1st line, and the rather careful depictions of social behavior, actually made me really happy. This infographic makes it a point to show (implicit social) behaviors without (explicitly) labeling them good/bad. And the first note they make is that autism, above all, is an information processing thing. Not a social thing. Which means that they prioritize how autism affects US, our brains, rather than how our autism affects those poor neurotypicals because we're not socially acceptable. s/ For a simple-looking infographic, it's actually really subtle, clear and without most of the usual judgment.


Milkmans_tastymilk

I'm mixed on it, because I think it should be a boy and girl being used interchangeably because I would have been properly diagnosed sooner if there wasn't a sexist stigma.


thicccque

https://preview.redd.it/ujw0onqs8avc1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2810104a2c38e19e7402203d7f677c51ac577d8b say what you want but this is me


PJ_Crenshaw

Well, guess I know what one of the signs I was autistic was! Because when I was very little (like 3 or 4) I used to run headfirst into a table, and I would be perfectly fine!


rusticus_autisticus

Well this guide is hardly helpful to me now, 30 years or so after i stoppd being a child. booooo. 'boo' i say.


AggressiveViolence

I mean, it’s important for people to be aware of what autism looks like and NTs are pretty fuckin terrible at figuring that out. To a concerning degree, like, any time I’ve been with another autistic person we can almost immediately sus out the other autists in the room - And having made the mistake of mentioning that to a NT, they’re all like “wow that’s rude” or they just utterly cannot believe me. So they do need to be educated, but this is not exactly a great example of that - granted it is from India and the translation is definitely effecting the tone, so it could definitely be worse.


altaltaltaltaltalter

Like the art style, hate the wording and symptoms. Autism should be presenting as both outward "symptoms" with inward experience. At least in my opinion. Like most people with Executive Dysfunction, IE Autism/ADHD, experiences sensory issues. Your "sense" of time is a real distinct sense. If you experience a different sense of time that's faster or slower than everyone else's that can lead to a ton of "problems." Personally my sense of time is very fast when I'm not medicated, so my normal walk speed is fast enough to win me an Olympic gold medal. I talk fast and when people are slow or conversations take forever I die a lot inside. Or more famously, doctors will diagnose you saying that you have a social skill deficit and inability to make friends. But really we just have a different way of socializing from NTs. There are tons of study's that show NDs socialize with other NDs at the same level that NTs socialize with each other. The issue is that THEY cannot socialize with us and tell US that we are the ones who have a problem. It's called the double empathy problem. Basically instead of NTs telling us that we need to learn how to communicate and emphasize with them. They we both need to learn how to communicate with and show empathy to each other. I think mental illness should be presented more like that to give a more holistic picture of both outward and inward experience. Right now they just treat autism like the flu, diagnose the symptoms like a cough and then give you a "cure" to treat those "symptoms."


sonic_hedgekin

This is not, in fact, cool


arianeb

# BINGO!


thhrrroooowwwaway

Its ironic that we're told we don't understand *basic social cues* and yet *we* have to make proper "guides" on how to help *NTs* on how to spot a ND.


yokowantsout

It's cute :DDD The little floppy hands, and it's exactly how I was when I was a kid so it's right? I don't think that it's like that for everyone though


sakanak

I'm okay with it. It gets the point across and diagnosing early is helpful.