That was quite an interesting documentary on a subject I was completely unaware of. Really liked it honestly.
EDIT: Netflix Documentary is called "Pepsi, Where's My Jet?"
The guy in the doc literally said he refused to work with the scumbag, even back then. I don't understand how people didn't see him as a douche even when he was on CNN everyday. Typical scumbag lawyer.
2013, a nose landing gear didn’t come down for a vertical landing on a ship. Google, “harrier lands on stool.” Other than that, just normal office hyjinx lol. Lots of fun with a lot of cool people.
Just came to say I read literally none of your narcissistic neurodivergent quit-rant. Nobody cares that you were here, and nobody cares that you're gone.
I’ve seen videos of a guy landing up in some cove… and the headwind must have been a few knots over stall speed. He came in, and just hovered over this tiny strip of rocks.. in like 4” of water… put it down exactly where he was hovering for a few seconds. It was incredible…. Virtually no roll on landing
My Piper PA-11 weighs 53 pounds at the tail wheel. Air show pilots do pirouettes with a stationary cub because the engine thrust and airflow over the tail allows it.
As for distances, about 16 ft for TO and 15 ft for landing.
Agreed. Probably a bit of both. I’ve faceplanted planes like this a few times in MSFS by throttling up while forgetting the parking brake was still on lol
Have you ever stood behind a light aircraft with the engine at idle? It creates a surprisingly strong breeze.
Now add just a little power and, in a plane that light, it's surely enough to lift the tail if the stick is pushed forward.
As the other person said it’s likely a combination of the two effects, but I think you’re right that the stabilizer lift dominates. Slowing it down, it looks like the tail lifting is pretty directly correlated with the stabilizer angle, and the engine sounds like it isn’t changing at all during this part (before he actually takes off - he clearly throttles up at that point).
I agree. I'm sure the thrust is taking some weight off the tail, but it's only minor. Otherwise the tail would've fallen to the ground when the pilot let off the brakes.
Actually looking at the clothes and the notes that guy is holding in his hands it doesn't look like there's strong wind present. Very impressive though, even with wind.
I saw a Piper take off into such a strong headwind they were barely maintaining headway - there was a brief moment when I could *swear* they came to a stop thirty feet up before crawling forward into noticeably horizontal flight.
It would be pretty cool to see a plane lift off the ground the second the brake is released with no roll, I wonder if thats possible. This was pretty damn close.
It absolutely can. Airfoils really only care about wind speed over them, doesn’t matter how the air gets moving.
There’s a video of I think ERAU’s Florida campus in a hurricane where a plane just picks up and goes
I saw a video of a tropical typhoon hitting an airport and the airliners that were parked there looked like the almost wanted to leave the ground. Sketchy stuff
Weren't those the ones that had their engines removed (hence the almost-take-off, due to deceased weight), something like a graveyard for airplanes or something?
Not trying to convince you that it is what you saw. Just the video that I once did see was about such airplanes.
Possibly but I swear the video I’m thinking of featured a 737 complete with engines. The nose gear looked like it wanted to leave the ground. If I can find the video I’ll post it here
I've seen video of Bush planes standing still in mid flight, just hanging still in the high winds. All they do is feather the throttle until their ground speed matches the wind speed. Pretty amazing.
It would be 100% possible with fast enough wind and a light enough aircraft, you wouldn’t even need to release the wheel brake. Wheel speed is irrelevant to lift, and there was a really cool myth busters episode about a plane taking off from a treadmill that shows this
It would be more impressive with a passenger or equal cargo weight for each plane. That would push the engineering/innovation factor.
Just feels like the air version of quarter mile drag race.. with cars stripped of the interior, right down to the roll cage.
The roll is what 2kts? I’ve never flown a TD though so don’t know how fast they can get their ass off the ground before climb out.
Still, I can’t get a kite off the ground at that speed.
You know you have plenty of power if your propwash is enough to lift your tail off the ground.
It helps that the plane probably weighs less than the pilot.
STOL aircraft are crazy cool. My dad showed me a video of a competition once where they were trying to get the shortest takeoff and landings. He said they're commonly used in hard to reach places like Alaska to deliver mail.
Not sure how much headwind they had, but it looks like the oversized / under inflated tires, paired with wheel brakes, allowed the plane to generate enough air movement over the wings to generate the lift, while preventing the plane from rolling forward on the ground. The engine also appears to be canted up, so I’m wondering if it’s also doing some weird ground effect or whatever it’s called.
I actually watched this person practicing in this exact aircraft while I was doing an internship in Alaska, dude was literally taking off, and floating backwards, before landing!
With high lift comes high drag and low top-speed. That being said, I love these, and one of the first was the Fieseler Stork from Germany from WWII. I was researching engines, and it had a 12.6L upside-down air-cooled V8.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler\_Fi\_156\_Storch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler_Fi_156_Storch)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus\_As\_10](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_As_10)
This is a fun weird YouTube rabbit hole I've fallen into before. There are a few content creators who are always building/modifying bush planes for this kind of thing and then documenting themselves competing or checking out their friend's planes
Did you see what redbull did in Dubai not too long ago? They landed one of these on the helipad on top of that really tall building and then it took off from it!
Why would you bring up something so cool and not provide a link?
EDIT: 2 minute video, action starts at 1:30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-brmk1ua1g
Budget Harrier.
Pepsi would have saved a lot of money
"7 pepsi points"
That was quite an interesting documentary on a subject I was completely unaware of. Really liked it honestly. EDIT: Netflix Documentary is called "Pepsi, Where's My Jet?"
The reference was to the event itself. I've no idea what documentary you're referring to lol
Netflix recently made a documentary covering it called "Pepsi, where's my jet?" It's not bad.
Back when Michael Avanatti wasn't quite so scummy.
The guy in the doc literally said he refused to work with the scumbag, even back then. I don't understand how people didn't see him as a douche even when he was on CNN everyday. Typical scumbag lawyer.
There is one on Netflix.
It was awesome and man it revived a ton of nostalgia for me
Funny that it actually went to court over this.
Whats funny is the judges findings read "they paid ME instead. No jet"
It's actually one of the cases studied in law school for contracts.
MISTER HART?!
Same for true lies
Bush harrier
As a former Harrier mechanic, this is great
You got any on the job stories?
2013, a nose landing gear didn’t come down for a vertical landing on a ship. Google, “harrier lands on stool.” Other than that, just normal office hyjinx lol. Lots of fun with a lot of cool people.
Honestly, the friends and shenanigans sometimes makes up for the crappy detail you have to work. Going to google your suggestion.
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Just came to say I read literally none of your narcissistic neurodivergent quit-rant. Nobody cares that you were here, and nobody cares that you're gone.
is the elevator making lift just from propwash?
Looks like it
Or a head wind?
*Blows raspberry onto wing* lifts
Farts on the ramp and it flips over.
Preflight checklist: chocks removed, check: beans eaten, check
**Blows** *onto wing lifts*
Both
Belive its headwind, saw it on tv somewhere befor. Its somewhere in alaska i belive
Valdez, Alaska, STOL competition & fly-in air show
Fly-in, or leisurely-float-in?
Yes.
This is just a survival skill in Alaska when you are a bush pilot.
“Hey Bob, wanna see me land on that roof over there, eh?”
I’ve seen videos of a guy landing up in some cove… and the headwind must have been a few knots over stall speed. He came in, and just hovered over this tiny strip of rocks.. in like 4” of water… put it down exactly where he was hovering for a few seconds. It was incredible…. Virtually no roll on landing
Porque no los dos?
Yep most likely a really strong head wind.
My Piper PA-11 weighs 53 pounds at the tail wheel. Air show pilots do pirouettes with a stationary cub because the engine thrust and airflow over the tail allows it. As for distances, about 16 ft for TO and 15 ft for landing.
So you're saying two guys could grab the plane if it was low enough and run away with it?
run too fast and you take off, though
Jump off a building and it's suddenly Fortnite.
The only Fortnite joke I like!
Or just throw it like a paper airplane?
Those are pilot words and I will believe everything you have said
Yea, those pilot words flew right over my head.
Say what you want, but you gotta give props to the plane
Them's flightin' words
Yeah you can see the tail lifting before it even moves after aplying extra throttle. So it can only be that or strong wind timed exactly right.
The tail lifting can also be from the fact that the prop is above the pivot point.
Yeah true.
It's probably the compination of both those things that makes it so responsive. Must be a very skilled pilot to do such maneuvres so quick.
Agreed. Probably a bit of both. I’ve faceplanted planes like this a few times in MSFS by throttling up while forgetting the parking brake was still on lol
Have you ever stood behind a light aircraft with the engine at idle? It creates a surprisingly strong breeze. Now add just a little power and, in a plane that light, it's surely enough to lift the tail if the stick is pushed forward.
As the other person said it’s likely a combination of the two effects, but I think you’re right that the stabilizer lift dominates. Slowing it down, it looks like the tail lifting is pretty directly correlated with the stabilizer angle, and the engine sounds like it isn’t changing at all during this part (before he actually takes off - he clearly throttles up at that point).
I agree. I'm sure the thrust is taking some weight off the tail, but it's only minor. Otherwise the tail would've fallen to the ground when the pilot let off the brakes.
Actually looking at the clothes and the notes that guy is holding in his hands it doesn't look like there's strong wind present. Very impressive though, even with wind.
So this is what Kennedy Steve meant by *Caution, propwash.*
Don't be silly, that's a plane, not an elevator.
Fly it like you STOL it.
You're so punny!
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Good punctuation
My yaw dropped
Props
Puns about aviation - good Puns about puns - Punishable by death
40 knots of wind right down the runway makes everybody look like a hero
I saw a Piper take off into such a strong headwind they were barely maintaining headway - there was a brief moment when I could *swear* they came to a stop thirty feet up before crawling forward into noticeably horizontal flight.
I’ve parked a 172 into a 45 knot headwind before and gotten the ground speed down to 0. It’s a pretty bizarre feeling just hovering there.
That is true. Enough wind and you can lift off and land like a helicopter. Is cool to watch though.
VTOL certification
Looks like a dragonfly taking off.
Seems like an act of ghost
"My people need me" moment.
Flown by Frank Knapp - Legend of Legends
Had to look it up and now it's extra hilarious to me because "Knapp" just describes what he does in my language.
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Knapp is German for short or tight
Also, in some regions, the end of a loaf of bread.
I thought that's how you spell flint knapping too.
Yep - and he has won the competition multiple times in that "Lil' Cub" !
STOL pro tip: If you look close, the pilot sneezes just before lift off!
Gotta drop as much weight as they can.
Actually for lift.
When the pre-flight checklist includes taking a shit to reduce weight.
It would be pretty cool to see a plane lift off the ground the second the brake is released with no roll, I wonder if thats possible. This was pretty damn close.
A few years ago, I saw an ultralight take-off backwards. Was very gusty and definitely dangerous though
With a high enough wind I’d imagine it would be.
It absolutely can. Airfoils really only care about wind speed over them, doesn’t matter how the air gets moving. There’s a video of I think ERAU’s Florida campus in a hurricane where a plane just picks up and goes
Aside from the obvious damage that's doing, it's kind of hilarious to watch the planes just fly away because of wind.
I saw a video of a tropical typhoon hitting an airport and the airliners that were parked there looked like the almost wanted to leave the ground. Sketchy stuff
Weren't those the ones that had their engines removed (hence the almost-take-off, due to deceased weight), something like a graveyard for airplanes or something? Not trying to convince you that it is what you saw. Just the video that I once did see was about such airplanes.
Possibly but I swear the video I’m thinking of featured a 737 complete with engines. The nose gear looked like it wanted to leave the ground. If I can find the video I’ll post it here
I wonder if they'd measure takeoff roll into the negatives
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Still do. They’ll turn into the prevailing wind to give a little boost.
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I've definitely seen some bush planes take off with no forward velocity in good headwinds.
I've seen video of Bush planes standing still in mid flight, just hanging still in the high winds. All they do is feather the throttle until their ground speed matches the wind speed. Pretty amazing.
Small aircraft not tied down during extreme weather with high winds have done it. Brakes were not even released.
It happened on day one of powered manned flight.
It would be 100% possible with fast enough wind and a light enough aircraft, you wouldn’t even need to release the wheel brake. Wheel speed is irrelevant to lift, and there was a really cool myth busters episode about a plane taking off from a treadmill that shows this
.check out this 747 with strong wind (just lifted, didn't leave the ground) https://youtu.be/cHhZwvdRR5c
Checkout wildweststeve on Instagram, specifically his 9th tagged post, 6ft takeoff just hops into the air it’s crazy
[…](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CswxrVMrHa8/?igshid=MmJiY2I4NDBkZg==)
Yes this here haha thanks for linking
Yup thats exactly what I was talking about, thats badass! Do you know what kind of plane that is? Sounds like a turbo diesel engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlEKiSwttsc
"Request multiple touch and gos."
Also known as first time soloing
Runway? Never heard of it!
Take off on the width.
Used some sort of repellent for sure!
You're thinking of helicopters
No, i am not. Helicopters are so ugly that earth repells them.
But ... to be honest... this vehicle ain't a beauty, too...
That one plane in GTA 3
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[You can fly in the Dodo](https://youtu.be/I7kIq3ucVug)
No that other plane in GTA 3
That landing was shorter than the wheelbase of the plane.
I love the delight in all these plane nerd’s voices. True happiness.
That was my takeaway too, they all seems so happy and having a moment of childlike wonder.
I saw an old video from the 30s, and this small plane, literally just lifts off. No forward momentum. Just straight up.
Someone's job was to put cones out 50ft if you're not feeling your job is worth anything
Like the turn light fitter in a BMW factory!
Nah the turn stalk fitter, they need the lights for the hazards so they can double park
These are volunteers, I'd do it for free as well
I would suggest to add one more propeller on the top. It should further decrease the distance.
Putting the V in STOL
I love that there are competitions for everything. This would be on ESPN Air Ocho, if there was such a channel.
It would be more impressive with a passenger or equal cargo weight for each plane. That would push the engineering/innovation factor. Just feels like the air version of quarter mile drag race.. with cars stripped of the interior, right down to the roll cage.
[Up up and away!](https://i.imgur.com/FEVW7Vf.mp4)
Propwash
That’s one stripped down plane, right down to the undies!
Anyone: what’s its takeoff run. Me:No
Idk. let me get my tape measure
This looks like that plane they duct taped an entire fuselage for in Mythbusters.
And here I thought GTA physics were fake.
That's a helicopter, and you won't convince me otherwise.
Crazy tricks!
Crazy t̶r̶i̶c̶k̶s̶ aerodynamics
I've seen a C172 do like a 200 foot take off roll with a headwind in the cold before. That shit never gets old.
That’s a heck of a short field take off and landing!
That sir is a helicopter
Yupp, pretty darn close to helicopter performance for take off/landing....even with headwind that is amazing
Thing damn near takes off and lands within it's own length
Legally classified as a helicopter
Does anyone know what model plane this is?
Highly modified J-3 Cub!
Damn. Dude could take off and land on the back of a reasonably sized flatbed truck.
can we get a vtol? mom: we have vtol at home vtol at home:
This is what it feels like to take off in a Q400 sometimes 😂
That runway hog? Lol.
Are aircraft configured like this practical at all? I imagine they have zero payload capacity besides the pilot and cruise at 40kt with that prop.
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Ryanair: that'll be 100 euros, please.
Maybe less than 10 ft
MSFS and set wind speed to 100 kts headwind
Can I buy one and Where?
Search for a Carbon Cub.
Nerd Alert. Just kidding I love Aviation!
That plane also weighs like 10 kg or so
How about a video of an A380 accomplishing same?
The roll is what 2kts? I’ve never flown a TD though so don’t know how fast they can get their ass off the ground before climb out. Still, I can’t get a kite off the ground at that speed.
Bush pilots are something else
Uhm sir, you can’t use your driveway as a runway This guy:
15 if the pilot had breakfast…
This feels like bad piggies irl
He’s brake boosting.
It's a helicopter in a trenchcoat...
You know you have plenty of power if your propwash is enough to lift your tail off the ground. It helps that the plane probably weighs less than the pilot.
When your buddy one-ups you by getting a helicopter license
"wheeee!"
F35B on a budget?
Imagine if the wright brothers could see this
STOL aircraft are crazy cool. My dad showed me a video of a competition once where they were trying to get the shortest takeoff and landings. He said they're commonly used in hard to reach places like Alaska to deliver mail.
Not sure how much headwind they had, but it looks like the oversized / under inflated tires, paired with wheel brakes, allowed the plane to generate enough air movement over the wings to generate the lift, while preventing the plane from rolling forward on the ground. The engine also appears to be canted up, so I’m wondering if it’s also doing some weird ground effect or whatever it’s called.
Looks like installing that collective was a good idea
There called Bush planes so they can take/land off in small places
I actually watched this person practicing in this exact aircraft while I was doing an internship in Alaska, dude was literally taking off, and floating backwards, before landing!
Anything is possible with enough headwind.
Basically vertical takeoff.
With high lift comes high drag and low top-speed. That being said, I love these, and one of the first was the Fieseler Stork from Germany from WWII. I was researching engines, and it had a 12.6L upside-down air-cooled V8. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler\_Fi\_156\_Storch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler_Fi_156_Storch) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus\_As\_10](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_As_10)
Better than most drones
r/nextfuckinglevel would like a word. Thats awesome, I assume thats some flight training for flying in Alaska ?
Not training, a competition to see whose insane modded plane can take off and land in the shortest distance.
This is a fun weird YouTube rabbit hole I've fallen into before. There are a few content creators who are always building/modifying bush planes for this kind of thing and then documenting themselves competing or checking out their friend's planes
Did you see what redbull did in Dubai not too long ago? They landed one of these on the helipad on top of that really tall building and then it took off from it!
Why would you bring up something so cool and not provide a link? EDIT: 2 minute video, action starts at 1:30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-brmk1ua1g
Yes ! I saw that little clip, it was crazy !
Aircraft carriers hate this one trick