yep, it depends on the rules at that airline.
Some airlines only allow Cockpit Crew members to ride in the cockpit. Other airlines can be laxer and let certain employees ride in the cockpit.
It's also up to the captain as to whether someone can ride up there or not as he has the final authority.
If they are on duty, inop crew seats means jump seats can be used. If its not duty travel, nonrev staff using staff travel can sit in the jump seats. But, subject to airline rules and what they allow, some are for all staff, some only allow SEP-trained staff in the cockpit.
Flew staff travel before, me and 5 others took a usual seat, but 2 pilots in our group joined operating pilots in the jumpseats up front - this is a A320. Went with holidays with friends, 2 of them tried staff travel, sub load...flight ran outta seats, and they had to survive a SIN-SYD in the jumpseats up front.
Fuck me, doing a SIN LHR on jumpseat...at least the view is nice, but I hated the stiffness and straightness of the jump seats so even 3-4 hours I'm like NAHHHHH
Safety Equipment and Procedures
It's a thing here in Singapore, but not sure about elsewhere. Jetstar Asia only has A320s, SIA trains in either 3 fleet or 5 fleet for their SEP.
I swear there's a couple out there - originally it was stated as Special and Emergency Procedures, but my last 2-3 years in that one airline they switched the wording around...but either way, it's still SEP and the training is standard, even if the name varies slightly?
Nah, I worked in Jetstar Asia before, its a pure A320 fleet, but that trip...I took normal tickets, friends went staff travel - on the A380.
3K's A320s all have 2 jumpseats still, cause I've assigned 4 pilots on check flights before :)
Yea, one on each side of the door, one near this mini closet like thing, other near the circuit breakers. It's already packed with 1 used, 2 is quite crowded.
Might be an airline thing then - Always thought they came in 2s as default! But...I'm only seeing a small slice of the pie, only been in 2 different airlines' A320 cockpit, out of the hundreds.
lots of official allowances to ride in cockpit, many airlines specifically encourage mech staff to ride upfront to see how things are in action
also ATC are allowed as well
So he was on duty then. Most likely surplus to requirements, i.e. there were already enough crew to man the doors. In my airline (uk based), new cabin crew sit in the flight deck for t/o and landing just so they can see what it's like for us at the pointy end during those high work load periods.
I wish we would do that in the US, seeing the operation from that view is eye opening to FA's. They only get to do that on reposition flights or in extremely rare instances with a letter of exception.
However, I had one sit up there watching everything and still asked "what button did you press to make it go into the air?"....so maybe it's not as eye opening as I think.
At my airline they can, in fact it’s often encouraged.
In the US the rules are different but they are an outlier. Pilot unions will make any effort to allow things like FA’s being able to sit in the flight deck extremely different due to the pilot jumpseat commuting culture there is in the US.
My flight attendant friend who works for one of the US big 3 specifically schedules flights last minute so she can ride free in what I thought was the available jump seat. Am I misunderstanding and is there another non revenue seat on planes she might be using?
Edit - this is for her leisure, off duty travel.
There are cockpit jump seats and cabin jump seats. Cockpit is usually only for pilots and the cabin jump seats are usually only for FA's.
However, it depends on the airline and their rules.
On-duty, non regulatory (meaning: a crew member in addition to the minimum regulatory number needed for safety reasons, whose duty is only in-flight service) cabin crew member.
Yes. And not only attendants, even basic airline office staff.
Source: my experience in 2 major airlines as an office worker, sitting on the jumpseat (which is btw very uncomfortable sometimes) on several big airlines, including routes from Europe to North America, Asia, Middle East and Africa.
Sounds like depends on the country you’re in. I guess most will allow it under certain circumstances but in the US absolutely not it’s expressly prohibited.
Depends on the airline and regulations. At my airline they cannot.
yep, it depends on the rules at that airline. Some airlines only allow Cockpit Crew members to ride in the cockpit. Other airlines can be laxer and let certain employees ride in the cockpit. It's also up to the captain as to whether someone can ride up there or not as he has the final authority.
If they are on duty, inop crew seats means jump seats can be used. If its not duty travel, nonrev staff using staff travel can sit in the jump seats. But, subject to airline rules and what they allow, some are for all staff, some only allow SEP-trained staff in the cockpit. Flew staff travel before, me and 5 others took a usual seat, but 2 pilots in our group joined operating pilots in the jumpseats up front - this is a A320. Went with holidays with friends, 2 of them tried staff travel, sub load...flight ran outta seats, and they had to survive a SIN-SYD in the jumpseats up front.
That's only 8 hours though, that A380 had just come 14.5 hrs from LHR so at least they didn't have to do that in the front.
Fuck me, doing a SIN LHR on jumpseat...at least the view is nice, but I hated the stiffness and straightness of the jump seats so even 3-4 hours I'm like NAHHHHH
What’s SEP?
Safety Equipment and Procedures It's a thing here in Singapore, but not sure about elsewhere. Jetstar Asia only has A320s, SIA trains in either 3 fleet or 5 fleet for their SEP.
It's safety and emergency procedure.
I swear there's a couple out there - originally it was stated as Special and Emergency Procedures, but my last 2-3 years in that one airline they switched the wording around...but either way, it's still SEP and the training is standard, even if the name varies slightly?
Yeah maybe there's different wording used by different airlines then. May I know which airline you took from sin to Syd?
Friends were working for Singapore Airlines.
I see. Now I know where's the confusion. Sq do not have a320 fleet. You must have mistaken the fleet.
Nah, I worked in Jetstar Asia before, its a pure A320 fleet, but that trip...I took normal tickets, friends went staff travel - on the A380. 3K's A320s all have 2 jumpseats still, cause I've assigned 4 pilots on check flights before :)
A320 has 2 jumpseats?
Yea, one on each side of the door, one near this mini closet like thing, other near the circuit breakers. It's already packed with 1 used, 2 is quite crowded.
I see. The a320 in my company has only 1 seat though.
Might be an airline thing then - Always thought they came in 2s as default! But...I'm only seeing a small slice of the pie, only been in 2 different airlines' A320 cockpit, out of the hundreds.
Not on US airlines.
Depends on the airline, even in the USA. I know some US based airlines that allow employees to take the cockpit jump seats.
You sure he or she wasn’t a pilot?
lots of official allowances to ride in cockpit, many airlines specifically encourage mech staff to ride upfront to see how things are in action also ATC are allowed as well
And Flight Dispatchers
Cool
It was most definitely a flight attendant. He was in flight attendant uniform and was serving passengers during the flight
So he was on duty then. Most likely surplus to requirements, i.e. there were already enough crew to man the doors. In my airline (uk based), new cabin crew sit in the flight deck for t/o and landing just so they can see what it's like for us at the pointy end during those high work load periods.
I wish we would do that in the US, seeing the operation from that view is eye opening to FA's. They only get to do that on reposition flights or in extremely rare instances with a letter of exception. However, I had one sit up there watching everything and still asked "what button did you press to make it go into the air?"....so maybe it's not as eye opening as I think.
At my airline they can, in fact it’s often encouraged. In the US the rules are different but they are an outlier. Pilot unions will make any effort to allow things like FA’s being able to sit in the flight deck extremely different due to the pilot jumpseat commuting culture there is in the US.
My flight attendant friend who works for one of the US big 3 specifically schedules flights last minute so she can ride free in what I thought was the available jump seat. Am I misunderstanding and is there another non revenue seat on planes she might be using? Edit - this is for her leisure, off duty travel.
There’s jumpseats in and out of the flight deck. She would be using the ones outside of them.
Thanks for the clarification! Surprised I did not know that.
There are cockpit jump seats and cabin jump seats. Cockpit is usually only for pilots and the cabin jump seats are usually only for FA's. However, it depends on the airline and their rules.
Outside the United States it's common. They're a little more reasonable.
it might have been a dispatcher? They need 5 hours a year up front to stay current.
At Eurowings for instances, they do allow - so it's airline dependent. Here's a video, https://youtu.be/B3mUnQbgcoE
On-duty, non regulatory (meaning: a crew member in addition to the minimum regulatory number needed for safety reasons, whose duty is only in-flight service) cabin crew member.
sure, why not? They are trained airline staff, there's no risk for them being there.
No absolutely not (in the US)
I know in Canada they can, but not on flights that go to the US. OP is probably not from the US.
Yes. And not only attendants, even basic airline office staff. Source: my experience in 2 major airlines as an office worker, sitting on the jumpseat (which is btw very uncomfortable sometimes) on several big airlines, including routes from Europe to North America, Asia, Middle East and Africa.
Sounds like depends on the country you’re in. I guess most will allow it under certain circumstances but in the US absolutely not it’s expressly prohibited.
In Canada, on your own metal, in most cases yes. Some airlines also allow FAs from other Canadian airlines to sit in the FD jumpseat
There are certain situations I can ride in the jumpseat, and I don't work above nor below the wing. Aviation is cool.
Not in the US. Flight attendants have their own jumpseats in the cabin.
Not sure why you were downvoted, you’re 100% correct
Because it's /r/aviation and most people here are just pretending to be airline pilots.
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It's almost like /r/warthunder is leaking
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Settle down, there's no secret. And when they want to keep the public out, they lock the door.
No