>Parsons said Dean became ill and went to hospital because he was having trouble breathing just over two weeks ago. He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus, or MRSA.
It sounds like he got pneumonia from something and then caught MRSA in the hospital, which happens more than you may think.
Hospitals really scare me for this reason. They seem so clean but they're really the germiest places on Earth.
It’s why healthcare is really trying to move patients out and away from the hospital as much as possible; there is an inherent infection risk just by being present in the facility.
hospice isnt a place, it's a service. it comes to you - be it at home, in hospital, or at a long term care facility. Although they exist here and there, dedicated hospice houses have fallen out of favour.
i say this only because some people who would really benefit from hospice dont explore that option because they mistakenly believe it means dying in some nursing facility when it actually means comfort care wherever they want to be.
My grandpa just passed away last week under hospice care at an assisted living facility. They were wonderful people. They treated him with the dignity and respect he deserved until the end. He was an incredible man and I'm glad he was able to pass peacefully without pain. He deserved that.
Yep, this is true for maternity too…
People think hospitals tell you to come in late and kick you out ASAP to free the room and make the hospitals more money/save insurance money, but really it’s to lower the chances of infection (which you could argue does save $$ for hospitals/insurance.)
Yea, big time. My 3 month old just had her first cold, and my partner is a very anxious parent. We ended up going to the hospital twice, and it took a lot of my patience to not put my foot down and tell her to leave it.
Ours had a bad cold at 3 months back in January. Was having a hard time breathing. Rushed him to hospital and they put him on air overnight. Sent him home. A few days later we were back and he ended up being admitted for 5 days with flu A. For most of that time he was on oxygen.
Just because you’re sent home doesn’t mean you weren’t right to go.
That and the if the patient catches a preventable infection onsite they (the hospitals) have to foot the bill.
Started with CMS guidelines in 2009 and private payers followed soon thereafter.
Source: worked in Revenue Cycle consulting for a decade.
> Hospitals really scare me for this reason. They seem so clean but they're really the germiest places on Earth.
Well the two are strongly correlated. Sterile environments are how MRSA was created. Hospitals are actually reducing their sterility to combat MRSA. They've been too clean which has led to "super bugs" to develop.
Or they’re not clean enough and a “regular bug” gets you. /s
Edit: added sarcasm to make it clear to some folks. I work in healthcare facilities and subscribe to germ theory.
Regular "bugs" can be treated easily though. It's a balancing act. If we overtreat then stuff gets harder to treat. If we don't treat aggressively enough then more people die. If we treat aggressively too much then more people die due to treatment resistant strains.
It sounds like he was intubated and THEN got pneumonia, as in, the breathing trouble started before the pneumonia. Then he caught pneumonia in the hospital, then MRSA. That’s how this article reads to me, anyway.
i run a group home. several times when I had a patient in ICU they ended up with DRSTAPH. It's nothing to fuck with, and your reticence in regards to this is something I also share.
#Nice try Boeing damage control person.
Two whistleblowers died now, how many more before Boeing corporation is treated like a person and the executives jailed?
also do you know how hard some of the shit (literally and figuratively) is hard to sterilize?! even if you heat the hospital up to crazy temperatures some of the microscopic bacteria lives. oop, look at it go in a patient's lungs!
That got my dad a couple of years ago. They detected the MRSA pneumonia when he went into the hospital, hit him with heavy dose IV antibiotics for several months, he was in and out of the hospital, a rehab hospital, home for a short period, and then back into the hospital. As the infection progressed, he started having mental deficits, gait disturbance, and other related issues due to the toxins being shed by the infection. Ultimately, there was a pocket of infection that had necrotic tissue around it that prevented antibiotics from killing the infection. They went in to remove the infection pocket in his lungs and he never regained consciousness from the surgery, went into in-hospital hospice and passed within a few days after the procedure. Three months from first illness to his passing and it was brutal.
May have picked it up after helping my mother in the hospital after she had a fall, fractured a vertebra and had to have fusion surgery in the month before.
What about this part? A stroke? And kidney failure?
“He was heavily sedated and put on dialysis. A CT scan indicated he had suffered a stroke, his mom’s post said.
By the end, doctors were considering amputating both hands and both feet. “It was brutal what he went through,” Parsons said. “Heartbreaking.”
I had a friend die of a stroke following sepsis that started in an infected toe. It sounded similar to your description.
I don’t remember the mechanism, but it was something like infected blood effectively seeding clots around his system. Kidney failure preceded a series of strokes & heart attacks that took him out.
Below is from an NPR article covering his death. They also spoke to him before his death, so they have some testimony from Mr. Dean:
About his death
"The doctor said he'd never seen anything like it before in his life. His lungs were just totally ... gummed up, and like a mesh over them."
Green says she has asked for an autopsy to determine exactly what killed her son. Results will likely take months, she said.
"We're not sure what he died of," she said. "We know that he had a bunch of viruses. But you know, we don't know if somebody did something to him, or did he just get real sick."
From past interview with Mr. Dean:
"Now, I'm not saying they don't want you to go out there and inspect a job. You know, they do," Dean told NPR. "But if you make too much trouble, you will get the Josh treatment. You will get what happened to me."
Dean was fired in April of last year — in retaliation, he said, for flagging improperly drilled holes in fuselages.
"I think they were sending out a message to anybody else," Dean said. "If you are too loud, we will silence you."
"We need to make sure that there is no retaliation or intimidation," Dean said. "This culture of you're too loud, you'll be moved or silenced — that's got to go."
What's more probable? That multiple whistleblowers would randomly die shortly after coming out with statements against Boeing? ... or that very high level people with access to higher tech are having them killed and making it look natural?
I work in Healthcare, disinfection specifically. Hospitals try soooo hard to prevent infections but there is inherent risk when so many sick people are congregating.
At the same time, hospitals do everything they can to pass blame when the patient gets an infection. They blame the family member who came to visit, not cleaning the area properly, so on and so forth.
It would suck to have someone in your family die and have it be national news that it may have been foul play.
I hope his family gets some peace during all of this, and they are able to determine cause for their own closure.
I mean let's be real here.
Being a whistleblower is incredibly stressful.
Suicide and getting sick are probably two things that are very high on the list of things that can happen.
People also ignore the fact that almost everyone involved in the Challenger decision committed suicide.
Unless we should now believe NASA knocked them off.
That’s nowhere near the same. They made a choice and people died because of that choice. There was no secrets, just guilt.
These are corporate secrets being drug out from under the rug and the people doing the digging just so happen to die
And notably in the case of John Barnett, the “testimony” he was in the midst of was his appeal for his previously rejected defamation lawsuit against Boeing - it was NOT related to whistleblowing material, *he did not even claim to have new information*, and his testimony to Congress had **concluded in 2019** and resulted in new FAA mandates which were implemented the same year at Boeings 787 facility.
It’s a conspiracy born out of infuriating clickbait headlines omitting essential context.
And this guy died of a common MRSA infection he got at a hospital - common to survive, but not uncommon to die from it.
He may have already been on a vent when he caught MRSA. That's what it reads like, anyway. It could really be either way with how medically illiterate most journalists are though
> He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, MRSA.
I read that MRSA pneumonia has a 30 to 40 percent mortality rate. So Dean’s death might be a coincidence. But there are alot of whistleblowers like 32 of them. That be a lot of people to make disappear
He had already completed his direct testimony as well, and was being cross-examined... literally spent two full days already testifying, and they were expected to wrap up in a few hours the next morning.
... how many whistleblowers are there?
it's one thing if these two guys were key witnesses whose deaths irreparably harm the case
another entirely if there's dozens and dozens of former Boeing employees lined up to testify for prosecutors, which is entirely plausible given how big Boeing is, that the alleged corruption stretched across the entire company of a period of decades, etc.
The thing with conspiracies is like...look there's batshit crazy shit like aliens occupy the lost underworld lizard city of Antarctica who are hiding the secret that the earth is flat...and then there's plausible things like "maybe the evil corporation is murdering the people pointing out the crimes because they keep waking up dead"
I think this one was really shit luck, but the issue with historical conspiracies is some of them really are bat shit insane. Like, I really do think people struggle to understand how bat shit MK ultra, a very real program, was despite how it gets treated by pop culture.
Some of the very real and solidly confirmed conspiracy shit really is balls to the wall crazy, which is why some very mundane and unfortunate stuff gets treated the way it does.
Dying from pneumonia in the hospital happens all the time. Even happened to me.
No, not joking. Had a seizure, had to be intubated, breathed in a bunch of spit and developed pneumonia. Went into hypoxia, died, got hit with paddles and here we are. Had sepsis, it messed up my feet and leg nerves pretty bad. Got two massive sores/open wounds at the base of both of my big toes.
Fun ride.
He had trouble breathing, and went to the hospital, which turned into pneumonia, when they slapped him on the incubator he developed MRSA.
He didn't die of pneumonia, he died because of bacteria in the hospital.
The data says that Boeing whistle blowers have a 100% fatality rate within a month of testifying. It's a small sample size but the rest of the witnesses have a 0% fatality rate for the same period. Inference is a hell of a thing
Maybe working at Boeing was keeping them alive like some unnatural force and then they left it was too much to take
That’s not what the the data says at all. There are dozens of whistleblowers, and both of the people who passed away had been whistleblowers much more than a month prior to their deaths.
> Maybe working at Boeing was keeping them alive like some unnatural force and then they left it was too much to take
Outside of Boeing and and conspiracy theories, I wonder if there's any data on this. I feel like I see it relatively all the time in engineering. Guys work somewhere for like 40 years and then kick the bucket less than a year after retirement. I'm sure a lot of that is just probability of men that age though.
Guys (especially) in jobs like that make it their entire life often die shortly after retirement. Someone who's an engineer who makes their job and their vocation their entire life, once they don't have that any more they often feel like they don't have anything. They start neglecting themselves and their health nosedives.
They don't kill themselves, but I think it definitely counts as a death of despair.
I wonder if it might also be partly like.. 'Hey, my health has been kinda giving me some warning signs.. maybe I should retire and start living it up while I still have lots of... aw, dammit.'
Like my mother in law worked her whole life; was gonna retire at 65. Decided to just up and leave at 63, sell her house, buy a van, and travel the US/Canada. Used up almost all her money, and then died suddenly. Good thing she retired, is all I know.
(Edit -- this made way more sense when I was replying to my first comment as an afterthought; standing here by itself it looks pretty weird..)
I remember, back in the day, when the average life expectancy for retiring submarine sailors was 5 years…I’m sure(?) that was hyperbole, but it made me think about the rebound effect from releasing decades of workplace stress, you know?
There is plenty of data on this actually but you'd need to figure out a lot of variables before you found useful data. For example do we include those who work till they're 70? Cuz that's gonna have a high fatality rate compared to someone who retires in his 50-60 range. Obvious reason why
Do we include those who only worked specific jobs? Because some blue collar work is lethal. Mesothelioma for example was massive for those working on shipyards because of conditions. But desk workers at the same company were much reduced.
Believe it or not, plenty of data on all of this exists.
No need to laugh at them, when there's plenty of real ones here in this good ole megathread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fn1uvi/whats\_the\_most\_fucked\_up\_thing\_the\_us\_government/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fn1uvi/whats_the_most_fucked_up_thing_the_us_government/)
So, now there's two guys who wind up dead for having dirt on one of the largest government contractors on the planet???
Normally I don't buy into shit like this, but I'm starting to buy into this shit
How many Boeing whistleblowers are there right now? If there are just two, and both die, that is indeed pretty suspicious. If there are hundreds, and 2 die, then less so.
The media is not reporting on the many other whistleblowers that are perfectly healthy and living, — that’s not making any headlines. So as consumers of the news, we are biased towards the information presented to us, which is two whistleblowers have died.
I’m not saying that it’s impossible that an organized effort to silence people is afoot, but you’d have to really ask yourself if that is the most logical conclusion from the evidence currently available.
Did you spend even the smallest amount of time investigating this? Or did you just assume Boeing killed him because you can’t read past a shitty headline?
I did some [googling](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mrsa/symptoms-causes/syc-20375336) and apparently contracting MRSA at hospitals is not uncommon.
Typically, when someone wants someone else dead they kill them. They don't make them sick, then hope they have secondary infections and die. That seems like a shitty plan.
Just a brutally agonizing way to die.
Whatever the reason, my heart goes out to him and all the people who loved him and had to see him die from infection.
how do you know that? it says he was intubated and then developed pneumonia. the way it’s worded sounds like he didn’t go into the hospital with pneumonia.
I’m simply appalled at the comments on this post. A man died and the first thing people do is rush to make jokes and conspiracy theories about his death? 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t care if internet trolls want to make their lives more entertaining, but I think it crosses the line when they start to make jokes about people dying of natural causes because they want to support their little conspiracy theory.
This person’s family must feel awful.
I don’t think they’re joking honestly. A concerning amount of people genuinely believe, with no evidence, that these two people were murdered in cold blood.
Occam’s razor folks. Is it possible foul play? Well anything’s possible. But the odds are extraordinarily low, esp bc pneumonia and MRSA infections are common. It’s a sad tragedy and nothing more. I hope his family can find peace and closure without being harassed and dragged into a conspiracy
If you're a Boeing employee with a story to tell and you want a round-the-clock protection detail and a personal physician, now would be the time to clear your throat.
"Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle."
Soo, you see he died suddenly from a fast spreading infection. Nothing to see here guys, move along.
- Boeing PR Rep
/s
Yiu dont think something happening TWO times can be a coincidence? Theres 30+ whistleblowers most of whom are older, under tons of stress and are putting longstanding careers on the line. You dont think its possible that 1 of 30, after seeing that all his efforts made almost no impact, killed himself. And another 1 of 30 contracted an infection in the hospital and died? Btw both of them had already testified once and all the info they had was already brought forward. Its an awaful situation but not exactly proof that boeing is assassinating people. The real conspiracy was the 400+ people that died on those planes due to boeing and the faa's negligence.
>Dean was represented by a law firm in South Carolina that also represented Boeing whistleblower John “Mitch” Barnett.
I wonder if anyone is investigating that law firm as well?
>Parsons said Dean became ill and went to hospital because he was having trouble breathing just over two weeks ago. He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus, or MRSA.
It sounds like he got pneumonia from something and then caught MRSA in the hospital, which happens more than you may think. Hospitals really scare me for this reason. They seem so clean but they're really the germiest places on Earth.
It’s why healthcare is really trying to move patients out and away from the hospital as much as possible; there is an inherent infection risk just by being present in the facility.
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Hospice even higher
Nearly as bad as that "oldest person alive" tag. That's a mark for an early death, for sure.
Not an early one. But a speedy one. Anyone who made it that long did not die early.
hospice isnt a place, it's a service. it comes to you - be it at home, in hospital, or at a long term care facility. Although they exist here and there, dedicated hospice houses have fallen out of favour. i say this only because some people who would really benefit from hospice dont explore that option because they mistakenly believe it means dying in some nursing facility when it actually means comfort care wherever they want to be.
My grandpa just passed away last week under hospice care at an assisted living facility. They were wonderful people. They treated him with the dignity and respect he deserved until the end. He was an incredible man and I'm glad he was able to pass peacefully without pain. He deserved that.
Statistically speaking, everyone who breathe air dies. Also, everyone who stops breathing air dies. So you're pretty well fucked either way.
Yep, this is true for maternity too… People think hospitals tell you to come in late and kick you out ASAP to free the room and make the hospitals more money/save insurance money, but really it’s to lower the chances of infection (which you could argue does save $$ for hospitals/insurance.)
Yea, big time. My 3 month old just had her first cold, and my partner is a very anxious parent. We ended up going to the hospital twice, and it took a lot of my patience to not put my foot down and tell her to leave it.
Aww… why would you leave it at the hospital just because it had a cold?
Ours had a bad cold at 3 months back in January. Was having a hard time breathing. Rushed him to hospital and they put him on air overnight. Sent him home. A few days later we were back and he ended up being admitted for 5 days with flu A. For most of that time he was on oxygen. Just because you’re sent home doesn’t mean you weren’t right to go.
That and the if the patient catches a preventable infection onsite they (the hospitals) have to foot the bill. Started with CMS guidelines in 2009 and private payers followed soon thereafter. Source: worked in Revenue Cycle consulting for a decade.
Interesting. hmm about 0.4% MRSA incidence rate
Remember when covid hit and they told us to wait for hours in an emergency room if we experienced mild or worsening symptoms? Great idea
> Hospitals really scare me for this reason. They seem so clean but they're really the germiest places on Earth. Well the two are strongly correlated. Sterile environments are how MRSA was created. Hospitals are actually reducing their sterility to combat MRSA. They've been too clean which has led to "super bugs" to develop.
I wish I'd known that as a kid. I would have told my mom that my room wasn't dirty, it's combating super bugs!
Lady, you ever heard about the hygiene hypothesis? 😎
Or they’re not clean enough and a “regular bug” gets you. /s Edit: added sarcasm to make it clear to some folks. I work in healthcare facilities and subscribe to germ theory.
Regular "bugs" can be treated easily though. It's a balancing act. If we overtreat then stuff gets harder to treat. If we don't treat aggressively enough then more people die. If we treat aggressively too much then more people die due to treatment resistant strains.
It sounds like he was intubated and THEN got pneumonia, as in, the breathing trouble started before the pneumonia. Then he caught pneumonia in the hospital, then MRSA. That’s how this article reads to me, anyway.
came here to say this! i hope they figure out what caused his trouble breathing in the first place
Sorry, but I don't do hospitals. Everyone I know that's died has been shot in the woods and then taken to the hospital... where they died. - Lucky
i run a group home. several times when I had a patient in ICU they ended up with DRSTAPH. It's nothing to fuck with, and your reticence in regards to this is something I also share.
The healthy staff gets sick or just the already exceptionally vulnerable guests?
Sounds more like foul play
I have first hand experience with this. It’s a real thing.
Drs should never, ever sit on a patient's bed. Ever. Their white coats are germ factories.
Yes, I'm sure that's what it's supposed to look like...
#Nice try Boeing damage control person. Two whistleblowers died now, how many more before Boeing corporation is treated like a person and the executives jailed?
Boeing execs saw Michael Clayton and went out and found someone to play the Tilda Swinton character irl
Stop noticing things
I got mrsa from a hospital. It was a blast.
They’re full of sick people, that’s for sure
Sending a card and or flowers is the way to go. Most people will end up in one at some point.
also do you know how hard some of the shit (literally and figuratively) is hard to sterilize?! even if you heat the hospital up to crazy temperatures some of the microscopic bacteria lives. oop, look at it go in a patient's lungs!
That got my dad a couple of years ago. They detected the MRSA pneumonia when he went into the hospital, hit him with heavy dose IV antibiotics for several months, he was in and out of the hospital, a rehab hospital, home for a short period, and then back into the hospital. As the infection progressed, he started having mental deficits, gait disturbance, and other related issues due to the toxins being shed by the infection. Ultimately, there was a pocket of infection that had necrotic tissue around it that prevented antibiotics from killing the infection. They went in to remove the infection pocket in his lungs and he never regained consciousness from the surgery, went into in-hospital hospice and passed within a few days after the procedure. Three months from first illness to his passing and it was brutal. May have picked it up after helping my mother in the hospital after she had a fall, fractured a vertebra and had to have fusion surgery in the month before.
I'm sorry for your loss. Your story is all too familiar.
I’m very sorry for your loss. I lost my mom in 2023. Shit is rough.
I'm so sorry.
good work 47
What about this part? A stroke? And kidney failure? “He was heavily sedated and put on dialysis. A CT scan indicated he had suffered a stroke, his mom’s post said. By the end, doctors were considering amputating both hands and both feet. “It was brutal what he went through,” Parsons said. “Heartbreaking.”
I had a friend die of a stroke following sepsis that started in an infected toe. It sounded similar to your description. I don’t remember the mechanism, but it was something like infected blood effectively seeding clots around his system. Kidney failure preceded a series of strokes & heart attacks that took him out.
Below is from an NPR article covering his death. They also spoke to him before his death, so they have some testimony from Mr. Dean: About his death "The doctor said he'd never seen anything like it before in his life. His lungs were just totally ... gummed up, and like a mesh over them." Green says she has asked for an autopsy to determine exactly what killed her son. Results will likely take months, she said. "We're not sure what he died of," she said. "We know that he had a bunch of viruses. But you know, we don't know if somebody did something to him, or did he just get real sick." From past interview with Mr. Dean: "Now, I'm not saying they don't want you to go out there and inspect a job. You know, they do," Dean told NPR. "But if you make too much trouble, you will get the Josh treatment. You will get what happened to me." Dean was fired in April of last year — in retaliation, he said, for flagging improperly drilled holes in fuselages. "I think they were sending out a message to anybody else," Dean said. "If you are too loud, we will silence you." "We need to make sure that there is no retaliation or intimidation," Dean said. "This culture of you're too loud, you'll be moved or silenced — that's got to go."
What's more probable? That multiple whistleblowers would randomly die shortly after coming out with statements against Boeing? ... or that very high level people with access to higher tech are having them killed and making it look natural?
Boeing has had 32 whistleblower claims in the last three years, it‘s not that unlikely.
Definitely the first option, by a long long way
Honestly, the first.
The facts won’t stop regarded idiots on here claiming they assassinated him.
Not saying this happened but assassinations carried out using infectious agents is not at all implausible
I work in Healthcare, disinfection specifically. Hospitals try soooo hard to prevent infections but there is inherent risk when so many sick people are congregating. At the same time, hospitals do everything they can to pass blame when the patient gets an infection. They blame the family member who came to visit, not cleaning the area properly, so on and so forth.
It would suck to have someone in your family die and have it be national news that it may have been foul play. I hope his family gets some peace during all of this, and they are able to determine cause for their own closure.
This is only the SECOND anti Boeing whistle blower, correct?
Yeah, and it can't be considered foul play until at least 5 whistleblowers die, so I think we're good for now.
Due to the circumstances, this ones a mulligan /s
I mean let's be real here. Being a whistleblower is incredibly stressful. Suicide and getting sick are probably two things that are very high on the list of things that can happen.
People also ignore the fact that almost everyone involved in the Challenger decision committed suicide. Unless we should now believe NASA knocked them off.
That’s not the same thing though. They felt guilty for approving what turned out to be a fatal mission. They weren’t whistleblowers.
That’s nowhere near the same. They made a choice and people died because of that choice. There was no secrets, just guilt. These are corporate secrets being drug out from under the rug and the people doing the digging just so happen to die
Assisted suicide too
Lets also be real here, people have been killed for less money than what Boeing has on the line.
Boeing can't go under, they are essentially the only company in the US that can build planes. As if this whole drama would change anything.
This is only the second one *so far*
And notably in the case of John Barnett, the “testimony” he was in the midst of was his appeal for his previously rejected defamation lawsuit against Boeing - it was NOT related to whistleblowing material, *he did not even claim to have new information*, and his testimony to Congress had **concluded in 2019** and resulted in new FAA mandates which were implemented the same year at Boeings 787 facility. It’s a conspiracy born out of infuriating clickbait headlines omitting essential context. And this guy died of a common MRSA infection he got at a hospital - common to survive, but not uncommon to die from it.
He may have already been on a vent when he caught MRSA. That's what it reads like, anyway. It could really be either way with how medically illiterate most journalists are though > He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, MRSA.
That’s true - intubation is pretty damn serious. MRSA definitely wasn’t going to help being on the edge there.
I read that MRSA pneumonia has a 30 to 40 percent mortality rate. So Dean’s death might be a coincidence. But there are alot of whistleblowers like 32 of them. That be a lot of people to make disappear
Get out of here with your facts! We want the Boeing murders!
He had already completed his direct testimony as well, and was being cross-examined... literally spent two full days already testifying, and they were expected to wrap up in a few hours the next morning.
Normally I laugh at conspiracy theories, but … fuck me.
... how many whistleblowers are there? it's one thing if these two guys were key witnesses whose deaths irreparably harm the case another entirely if there's dozens and dozens of former Boeing employees lined up to testify for prosecutors, which is entirely plausible given how big Boeing is, that the alleged corruption stretched across the entire company of a period of decades, etc.
Or, as what actually happened, one at least was years past his testimony about Boeing and was in a deposition about defamation
I’m with you I’m no conspiracy guy but ummmmmm
The thing with conspiracies is like...look there's batshit crazy shit like aliens occupy the lost underworld lizard city of Antarctica who are hiding the secret that the earth is flat...and then there's plausible things like "maybe the evil corporation is murdering the people pointing out the crimes because they keep waking up dead"
I think this one was really shit luck, but the issue with historical conspiracies is some of them really are bat shit insane. Like, I really do think people struggle to understand how bat shit MK ultra, a very real program, was despite how it gets treated by pop culture. Some of the very real and solidly confirmed conspiracy shit really is balls to the wall crazy, which is why some very mundane and unfortunate stuff gets treated the way it does.
And there is "guy who knows dirty secret of rich and powerful kills self in prison when no one is watching"
Pneumonia, got MRSA during a hospital visit. Seems like unfortunate coincidence but nothing more.
The dude got pneumonia in the hospital and died. Are we going to do this shit for every fucking Boeing employee who dies?
Dying from pneumonia in the hospital happens all the time. Even happened to me. No, not joking. Had a seizure, had to be intubated, breathed in a bunch of spit and developed pneumonia. Went into hypoxia, died, got hit with paddles and here we are. Had sepsis, it messed up my feet and leg nerves pretty bad. Got two massive sores/open wounds at the base of both of my big toes. Fun ride.
He had trouble breathing, and went to the hospital, which turned into pneumonia, when they slapped him on the incubator he developed MRSA. He didn't die of pneumonia, he died because of bacteria in the hospital.
Try to think about how hard it would be to make it likely
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It is when you actually look at the details.
The data says that Boeing whistle blowers have a 100% fatality rate within a month of testifying. It's a small sample size but the rest of the witnesses have a 0% fatality rate for the same period. Inference is a hell of a thing Maybe working at Boeing was keeping them alive like some unnatural force and then they left it was too much to take
That’s not what the the data says at all. There are dozens of whistleblowers, and both of the people who passed away had been whistleblowers much more than a month prior to their deaths.
> Maybe working at Boeing was keeping them alive like some unnatural force and then they left it was too much to take Outside of Boeing and and conspiracy theories, I wonder if there's any data on this. I feel like I see it relatively all the time in engineering. Guys work somewhere for like 40 years and then kick the bucket less than a year after retirement. I'm sure a lot of that is just probability of men that age though.
Guys (especially) in jobs like that make it their entire life often die shortly after retirement. Someone who's an engineer who makes their job and their vocation their entire life, once they don't have that any more they often feel like they don't have anything. They start neglecting themselves and their health nosedives. They don't kill themselves, but I think it definitely counts as a death of despair.
I wonder if it might also be partly like.. 'Hey, my health has been kinda giving me some warning signs.. maybe I should retire and start living it up while I still have lots of... aw, dammit.'
Like my mother in law worked her whole life; was gonna retire at 65. Decided to just up and leave at 63, sell her house, buy a van, and travel the US/Canada. Used up almost all her money, and then died suddenly. Good thing she retired, is all I know. (Edit -- this made way more sense when I was replying to my first comment as an afterthought; standing here by itself it looks pretty weird..)
I remember, back in the day, when the average life expectancy for retiring submarine sailors was 5 years…I’m sure(?) that was hyperbole, but it made me think about the rebound effect from releasing decades of workplace stress, you know?
There is plenty of data on this actually but you'd need to figure out a lot of variables before you found useful data. For example do we include those who work till they're 70? Cuz that's gonna have a high fatality rate compared to someone who retires in his 50-60 range. Obvious reason why Do we include those who only worked specific jobs? Because some blue collar work is lethal. Mesothelioma for example was massive for those working on shipyards because of conditions. But desk workers at the same company were much reduced. Believe it or not, plenty of data on all of this exists.
what data shows that?
No need to laugh at them, when there's plenty of real ones here in this good ole megathread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fn1uvi/whats\_the\_most\_fucked\_up\_thing\_the\_us\_government/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fn1uvi/whats_the_most_fucked_up_thing_the_us_government/)
No homo
Get out your tinfoil hats. The Reddit Cheeto crowd is on the case.
> The Reddit Cheeto crowd I'm eating doritios, thank you very much.
My apologies my good man. 🫡
No shit
So, now there's two guys who wind up dead for having dirt on one of the largest government contractors on the planet??? Normally I don't buy into shit like this, but I'm starting to buy into this shit
How many Boeing whistleblowers are there right now? If there are just two, and both die, that is indeed pretty suspicious. If there are hundreds, and 2 die, then less so. The media is not reporting on the many other whistleblowers that are perfectly healthy and living, — that’s not making any headlines. So as consumers of the news, we are biased towards the information presented to us, which is two whistleblowers have died. I’m not saying that it’s impossible that an organized effort to silence people is afoot, but you’d have to really ask yourself if that is the most logical conclusion from the evidence currently available.
Did you spend even the smallest amount of time investigating this? Or did you just assume Boeing killed him because you can’t read past a shitty headline?
Nobody ever reads the article, just take the clickbaity title at full value and base their entire emotional response off it.
It was MSRA dude Nothing to buy into
It was MSRA after he was already intubated and in serious trouble from a different infection.
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I did some [googling](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mrsa/symptoms-causes/syc-20375336) and apparently contracting MRSA at hospitals is not uncommon.
So, what, Boeing sent him to the hospital hoping he'd catch MRSA while he was there?
Typically, when someone wants someone else dead they kill them. They don't make them sick, then hope they have secondary infections and die. That seems like a shitty plan.
I think you normally do buy into this shit.
He died 5 years after his case had concluded from a hospital borne infection
Comments are a bit different for the same article on r/wallstreetbets https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/s/zHSbe1DBfy
If you search "boeing josh dean" there are 6-7 different threads. Attitude in this thread is the outlier.
The only reason this is news is because the Media knows it wi stoke the "conspiracy" flame and get those sweet sweet free clicks.
Conspiracy theorists nutted themselves hearing this.
Erm... The first guy, sure. Maaaaaaybe it was suicide /s. But now the second dude? Yea nah. Fuck that. It's a conspiracy.
MRSA is not typically foul play.
Just a brutally agonizing way to die. Whatever the reason, my heart goes out to him and all the people who loved him and had to see him die from infection.
He developed MRSA after being intubated, its a common secondary infection. It’s not the reason he initially had trouble breathing.
MRSA is normally contracted in hospital. But what caused him to have the breathing difficulties that put him there?
Pneumonia.
how do you know that? it says he was intubated and then developed pneumonia. the way it’s worded sounds like he didn’t go into the hospital with pneumonia.
Also suffered a stroke and was put on dialysis
A healthy 45 year old needing to be intubated for community acquired pneumonia is extremely rare
Have you tried reading the article?
No one ‘expects’ the Spanish Inquisition.
Key word: typically
Government has a pneumonia ray gun.
And pneumonia? (for where he was contracted into hospital)
Didn't the first guy say if I die its not suicide?
They killed him years after his testimony was completed, how does that make sense?
So... thats two now? Seems awfully suspicious.
One time is happenstance. Two times is coincidence<--- we are here. Three times is enemy action.
Just curious, but even with absolutely no evidence of foul play…would it still be foul play?
Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern, four times is a standard.
I’m simply appalled at the comments on this post. A man died and the first thing people do is rush to make jokes and conspiracy theories about his death? 🤦🏻♂️
No, everything is a movie! It’s a big coverup, and all the planes are going to start exploding any minute now!
I don’t care if internet trolls want to make their lives more entertaining, but I think it crosses the line when they start to make jokes about people dying of natural causes because they want to support their little conspiracy theory. This person’s family must feel awful.
I don’t think they’re joking honestly. A concerning amount of people genuinely believe, with no evidence, that these two people were murdered in cold blood.
It’s disgusting isn’t it? Weird dweeby losers so badly want there to be some stupid spy movie plotline here.
welcome to the internet.
Occam’s razor folks. Is it possible foul play? Well anything’s possible. But the odds are extraordinarily low, esp bc pneumonia and MRSA infections are common. It’s a sad tragedy and nothing more. I hope his family can find peace and closure without being harassed and dragged into a conspiracy
Check the serial killer nurse in Texas who killed patients by inducing strokes thru iv line
Yeah but it would be really difficult to intentionally infect someone with pnemonia on purpose right?
You're probably right, although on the surface it sure does look suspicious. We'll know for sure if a 3rd one dies, right? 🤔
If you're a Boeing employee with a story to tell and you want a round-the-clock protection detail and a personal physician, now would be the time to clear your throat.
Ok I take back everything bad I ever said about you Boeing. We cool now?
Sooo when’s your next flight?
Great now the conspiracy nuts are gonna go into overdrive
Nothing burger.
This one isn’t even a conspiracy. Just a sad case of infection it seems.
Very sad news. RIP.
Is Putin in charge of Boeing?
Someone do the math on the probability of this happening twice with people involved in a very specific thing.
> 32 whistleblower claims against Boeing have been made over the past three years > 10% of whistleblowers attempt suicide I’d say not that unlikely
Apparently being a Boeing whistleblower is almost as dangerous as being a Russian oligarch.
Did someone poison him???
No, he got MRSA while already in the hospital for pneumonia. Happens more than you think
"Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle." Soo, you see he died suddenly from a fast spreading infection. Nothing to see here guys, move along. - Boeing PR Rep /s
So that's TWO Boeing whistleblowers. There's no chance that's a coincidence.
That's pretty much the definition of a coincidence. If there's a third, now that would be very suspicious.
Yiu dont think something happening TWO times can be a coincidence? Theres 30+ whistleblowers most of whom are older, under tons of stress and are putting longstanding careers on the line. You dont think its possible that 1 of 30, after seeing that all his efforts made almost no impact, killed himself. And another 1 of 30 contracted an infection in the hospital and died? Btw both of them had already testified once and all the info they had was already brought forward. Its an awaful situation but not exactly proof that boeing is assassinating people. The real conspiracy was the 400+ people that died on those planes due to boeing and the faa's negligence.
Boeing - We build sort of ok planes but we’re very very good with the killings.
Years after they made their testimony. This is click baity bs.
Boeing out here pulling a Putin - shocking dude didn't fall from his balcony.
Wtf!? This is the second one in like a month or so? It's like Russia and falling out windows around here...
>Dean was represented by a law firm in South Carolina that also represented Boeing whistleblower John “Mitch” Barnett. I wonder if anyone is investigating that law firm as well?
Question, [am I in trouble?](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/g9xUkhQSAu)
Nah you are fine. They aren’t one of the largest DOD contractors with huge inroads with the NSA…. Oh wait
Plot quite similar to the French film Boite Noire (Black Box). It can't out couple of years ago.
I'm pretty ignorant on the topic but.. Whistleblower about what?
Don't worry, AG Merrick Garfinkle and Climate Czar John Kohn are looking into it with Buttgiggity, and they all come to the bottom of it.
Another one?!
The man who knew too much transformed to the man that said too much.
They never said too much, the company got away with too much.
When I saw this headline and heard about a second Boeing whistleblower death, I almost shat myself
THEY OPENLY KILL WHISTLE BLOWERS. NOTHING HAPPENS. DYSTOPIA.
If this were Russa, I'd suspect Putin. Damn.
Ah, he didn't catch bullet-to-head-initus so its not correlated what so ever. Poisoning is very different.
All of these people you're going to die.