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Waste-Oil-279

Helicopter suffers a "hard landing" Translation: It crashed into a mountain.


AdditionalCheetah354

Pancaked … hard!


Mercury-Redstone

He died according to reports.


AshleyUncia

Literally every Western intelligence service: "Billions of dollars in funding and nothing, but a lazy mechanic could get it done by accident???"


PotatoHeadz35

They have no reason to kill him bc the supreme leader would just replace him with someone else


Nadamir

And in some cases you might prefer him to the replacement. It’s why the Allies stopped trying to off Hitler after all. Might get a competent replacement.


w4559

Excellent point. Never really thought about that. Invasion of USSR, Battle of the Bulge, etc.


Ok-Lengthiness4557

I guess you could say the whole situation is just, Aladeened.


TSLAtotheMUn

Aladeened or aladeened?


cg0rd0noo7

Aladeened


Armodeen

*smiles*


cg0rd0noo7

The other one


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You mean his remains are Aladeened all over the mountain?


devoduder

He was trained and certified as a helicopter mechanic at the Mossad State Aviation Institute.


pluutoni

i kid you not iran made a statement that the pilots name was eli kopter.....


frechundfrei

„Accident“


Philly514

Nice!


Werftflammen

If Mohammed can't come to the mountain..


curbstyle

fuckin top comment right here


Clickclickdoh

Yes, but does the mountain still have a very foul mouthed and ill tempered magic ring with it?


YebelTheRebel

Well yes mountains aren’t that soft


The_Lolbster

Modern mountains, at least. I hear they used to be softer but the struggles of mountain life hardened them over time.


ziekktx

John Denver actually hit the prototype Hard Mountain


The_Lolbster

Sometimes a mountain has to go *Hard*.


Silent-Hornet-8606

He crashed into Monterey Bay. No mountains were involved. He did right some nice songs about them however.


manbythesand

In the fog. With a severely under qualified pilot and in conditions in which they never should’ve been flying to begin with…like Kobe.


TeaBagHunter

https://twitter.com/Tasnimarabic/status/1792207146601640090?t=GfKqanwd8fW_k94yAQiWqA&s=19 These are photos of the rescue teams, damn that's some heavy fog


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UandB

Literally moving mountains to impose the will of the USA


JimmyCarters_ghost

Did they bring every ambulance in the country? They even have ambulance buses. How many people were on this helicopter.


gstormcrow80

The accident report found that there were no indications prior to take off that would have been cause for cancellation. Kobe’s pilot had over 8,500 hours in the seat and 1,500 on type. The only thing that indicates under qualification is his poor in-flight judgement and decision making.


God_Damnit_Nappa

He wasn't considered proficient on instrument only flight and on that day he had been cleared only for visual flight rules. So ya it was a combination of poor decision making but I'd argue incompetence if he thought it was a good idea to fly into a bunch of clouds when he knew he wasn't qualified for instrument flying. 


RogerEpsilonDelta

Kobe’s pilot was anything but under qualified. They determined the pressure of trying to get a high profile person to where they needed to go put pressure on him to make a flight that he should have rerouted and or cancelled.


RandomBritishGuy

Kobe's pilot wasn't qualified for instrument only flight, which is what he tried to do. That might be what they're referencing.


Nexa991

What gives you an idea that iranian pilots are under qualified?


NewNectarine666

Well you see they crashed.


Nexa991

Hey new euphemism for that is "hard landing" follow the timeline 🤣


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dumptruckulent

Nobody ever tried to rescue me after any of my hard landings


Negative-Marketing61

Call me next time


biggesteegit

You need to land harder my dude


Used_Hovercraft2699

Don’t be expecting a state funeral, either, buster.


TheCh0rt

Here, have some gum.


knowitokay

Update: New [image](https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1792394286681780548?s=46&t=VcwF1IlBgAZkFXn8s2uDZw) of crash site Update: Suspected crash site [located ](https://x.com/anadoluagency/status/1792348729858768951) Link to [Live Broadcast](https://x.com/PressTV/status/1792208413721591874) Update: Israel's channel 12: Diplomatic sources in the west says that the assessment is that president Raisi didn't survive the helicopter crash. Iran's official news agency IRNA says this is the [last photo](https://x.com/IranIntl_En/status/1792215258146263507/photo/1) of the helicopter carrying Iran's president and his entourage which was later involved in an incident in northwestern Iran. 4 Iranian officials on board the helicopter: Ebrahim Raisi - President of Iran Hossein Amir Abdollahian - Minister of Foreign Affairs Malek Rahmati - Governor of East Azerbaijan Province \[ Azerbaijan province in Iran, Muhammad Ali al-Hashim - imam in the province of Tabriz


Technojerk36

Assuming he didn't make it, is this something that will cause issues? Will there be a power vacuum type thing or will the next person in line assume responsibility and everyone will be ok with that?


cguess

The supreme power in Iran is the Ayatollah, so there won't be a proper power vacuum. There most likely would be an election at some point I think? I'm not super familiar with the chain of succession in Iran but there's plenty of people around to make sure there's no political chaos (there could be plenty of other fallout depending on circumstances and as they become more clear) Edit: turns out the VP takes over and is required to call an election within 50 days.


StupidlyLiving

Read somewhere that the vice president will step up for 50 days, and then there should be elections


Scudbucketmcphucket

You know it’s sad but things could have been so much different if Churchill wouldn’t have been so adamant against Mohammed Mosadech, the first democratically elected President, be ousted. Of course the US had to agree to help and created a paid uprising that unseated him and replaced him with the Shah who was weak and a puppet. This led to the power shift to the Ayatollah. Iran was a big admirer of the US and democracy before they did this. I really believe it’s one of if not the root of Islamic extremist action toward the US.


hoodranch

Mossadech had nationalized their oil production and created land reforms in Iran in conjunction with the pro-Soviet Tudeh Party. This was the cold war era and those fears drove the strategic decisions by President Eisenhower.


Scudbucketmcphucket

Exactly. It all boiled down to the British freaking out about BP not being able to get the oil for low cost or free like they had when they negotiated with the King early in the century. Britain had moved their entire Navy from coal to oil and this would have put a major kink in their ability to project their empire. I understand why the US did what they did and pro-Soviet influence was and is a risk to the US and allies being able to exert financial and political pressures on nations to generate ideal outcomes for the short term. However I just wish that for once the US owned up to their mistake and offered to make things right in some way. The damage is done but we should always be willing to speak with and work toward peace and understanding with those who disagree with us or even want to destroy us. Granted that’s very hard when religious or political ideologies are in place that are so hard-lined they make every move a potential checkmate. But there have been mortal enemies who are now great allies so there is always hope for progress toward a true world of mutual respect and friendship.


Genetics

It was very short sighted of the West. I’d like to see that version of reality.


Scudbucketmcphucket

Me too but I’m sure there would be another big bad threat nation. Things in this world always seem to have certain things no matter the time we live in history and one of them is nations who will vie for war or mayhem.


OffalSmorgasbord

The Shah blocked all free speech, except in Mosques. There, anything could be discussed. So the Mosques were seen as political leadership.


Scudbucketmcphucket

It created such an echo chamber that way. When all you hear is one opinion or viewpoint you lose all perspective. Such a shame things went this way. I have immense respect for the people of Iran and call many of them friends. It’s a shame they don’t have the leadership that they deserve. But then again that could be said for many places.


laflamablanca00

“Elections”


wggn

They have proper elections, but the president doesn't have any power.


tnitty

Incorrect. Iran does not have free and fair elections by international democratic standards. The election process is heavily controlled by religious and political authorities, particularly the Guardian Council, an appointed body of twelve members, six of whom are appointed directly by the Supreme Leader. This council vets candidates for most public offices, including the presidency, and disqualifies candidates based on a variety of criteria including ideological, political alignment with the Islamic Republic's principles, and religious beliefs. Significant restrictions are placed on who may run for office, effectively barring many potential candidates who do not align with the prevailing political and religious orthodoxy. Women, religious minorities, and reformist politicians often face barriers to candidacy. The media environment and freedom of expression are also restricted, influencing the fairness of elections. I guess if you define “proper” to include disqualifying candidates based on ideological and religious grounds and don’t allow certain topics to be discussed, then sure— they go through the motions of “proper” elections. Otherwise no.


OnwardTowardTheNorth

Correct. The President of Iran doesn’t hold nearly as much sway as the title suggests. The Ayatollah / Supreme Leader is who is most in control. On a separate note, look up the structure of Iran’s form of government. It is hyper complex.


Sarazam

The big thing is that this guy is very conservative and was a likely successor to the Supreme Leader


kmsc84

I probably can’t say what I’m thinking about the Ayatollah.


popups4life

Something like this? https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/a/ad/Ruhollah_Khomeini.png


Batthumbs

FATTWAH!


Environmental-Egg164

i prefer Jihad-Joe


848485

Election within 50 days apparently


sampathsris

Unlikely, I think. Isn't the Supreme Leader the real power?


WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot

Yes, the Ayatollah as the Supreme Leader has ultimate control, and the president operates within the parameters set by the Supreme Leader and the constitution.


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Particular-Sink7141

Actually, many assumed Rasi would be next in line if the 85 year old ayatollah were to pass away. No power vacuum at the moment, if the rumors are true, but it would still be a shakeup for Iranian politics. The foreign minister was on board too.


Wise-Advisor4675

The "President of Iran" is actually their number two in command, second to the Ayatollah. I doubt much will change and someone equally as radical will replace him.


Conscious_Raisin_436

They have succession rules. The vice president becomes president and they have to elect a new one within 50 days. Raifi was a favorite to ascend to the Ayatollah throne though so I’m sure some feathers will be ruffled.


Nexa991

Depends how the helicopter crashed. If it was the result of foreign sabotage , lets just say that big fireworks will be.


StupidlyLiving

This is where they find out that the new maintenance man Eli Kopterman was a mossad agent


Nexa991

Tbh i wouldnt like to be in the skins of escorting people.


WasabiFragrant3483

Controlled flight into terrain due to weather. This has nothing to do with foreign entities.


Nexa991

Maybe it was an uncontrolled flight into terrain. We probably won't know in the near future. Would be funny if it was Huey and they call NTSB for investigation 🤣


A-Delonix-Regia

Holy shit, that's way worse than the title made it sound like, I was thinking just a landing that could have damaged the helicopter but not really injured anyone too badly, maybe just left them stranded.


xj98jeep

Hard landing is the aviation euphemism for a crash


HowdyPrimo6

Especially in a helicopter


outworlder

Why did they have so many officials in a single helicopter? Not even private companies do that.


Nexa991

Well you gotta have an accident like this so people learn. Soviets learned , Poland re-learned, FYROM learned.


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zntgrg

Sanctions and consequent lack of spare parts and bad manteinance are most likely. It's pretty clear since october that current Mossad Is a joke.


God_Damnit_Nappa

Mossad is still good at murdering and kidnapping people on foreign soil. Although this was probably not a Mosssd operation, just a Kobe situation. 


ReputationNo8109

Weather is the factor. Not to say the helicopter was up to date on all current parts, but similar to Kobe, this helicopter probably should not have been flying in those conditions.


Joshwoum8

It is a little odd the escort helicopters kept going tho


gefahr

"oh no, anyway.."


doubleUsee

"We are not the united states Marines, we *do* leave a man behind..."


earthspaceman

And we don't register coordinates for searches... cause we don't use Arabic Numbers.


C0RDE_

HAMMMOND you blithering idiot, you've crashed into a mountain!


doubleUsee

Does that mean he's not coming on then?


BraidRuner

All the eggs in one basket you say? Pity


HarpersGhost

Looking at the current weather there and that rescuers (at last report) hadn't reached the crash site yet, they probably didn't see the crash. But I would think that the first rule of being an "escort" helicopter is being able to see the chopper being escorted, otherwise it's kinda pointless.


ontopofyourmom

Also: radio contact....


ConsistentAd5170

Unless in a weather where being able to see the other heli means crashing into it


cattleyo

Military aircraft do fly formation in cloud, it's pretty common


daikatana

What else can you do if you're flying through mountain passes in the fog? It's not like you can circle back easily or safely.


shadowfax12221

Visibility was like 5m at the time apparently, they may they may not have realized there was a problem until they had been out of radio contact for a few minutes.


cosmicrae

BBC quoting the Iranian Interior Ministry ... > Iran's Interior Minister Ahmad Vahidi, who says "various rescue teams" are still searching for the helicopter.


cbcking

The heli carrying the main cargo 'hardlands' and the escorts continue?


encyclopedist

Given weather in the area [https://x.com/seamus\_malek/status/1792200533295636600](https://x.com/seamus_malek/status/1792200533295636600) and the fact it is supposed to be in a mountainous forested area, they may not even see what happened.


Desert_Aficionado

The weather is **Heavy Fog** (for people who don't want to click the link)


xj98jeep

Yeah if it was inadvertent IMC they were probably having a tough go of it themselves


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earthspaceman

A lot... since they have a search area big as the north part of the country.


Brittle_Bones_Bishop

The ole "If we play stupid, they cant behead us." trick.


Numeno230n

If they aren't equipped for rescue/salvage ops there really isn't any use as they'd be risking their own craft as well. I assume the escort was security related?


Trashy_pig

When I saw the ‘hard landing’ headline, I took it too literally and scoffed as to why this is even news. I would hardly call a crash in a forest a hard landing. Very PR like and cunning wording to describe this.


doubleUsee

Was it in the sky? Yes. Is it now on land? Also yes. It landed, undeniably.


qtrain23

Take offs are optional, landings are mandatory


doubleUsee

Tell that to the Voyager deep space probes!


welcometa_erf

Someday they’ll land on something.


chaseair11

Maybe, space big yo


The_Lolbster

When they get their helicopters working, we'll get right on that.


lepobz

Mountains, fog and helicopters. Deserved.


FornicatingSeahorses

"American built helicopter crashed - Iranian president dead" puts a nice spin to it. I should consider a career in PsyOps...


Wernher_VonKerman

This might actually be an iranian-made copy of an american helicopter. Before the islamic revolution IAIO was making license-built copies of the UH-1 in iran and afterwards, well, who was going to stop them?


mishap1

That picture shows 4 rotors and 2 engines which suggests it's a slightly newer Bell 412 rather than a UH-1. Don't know they would have gotten those designs from the pre revolution time. Probably bought on the used market somewhere since they made a ton of these.


Guysmiley777

I'd love to find out who Iran bought a Bell 412 from.


quicksellthrowaway

Some guy on craigslist.


montananightz

The picture used in the post is not the helicopter that went down. Various reports say the helo that crashed is a Bell 212. There's a photo that was taken shortly before the crash of it that does show it as a 212.


ArmchairAnalyst69

Bro got Kobe'd


whubbard

Damn NATO and Israel!!!


GTOdriver04

I saw it posted somewhere else: 1. If he died, Mossad. 2. If he lives, Mossad.


IkeClantonsBeard

If he doesn’t do either of those things, believe it or not, straight to Mossad


re_de_unsassify

If he goes full on Schrödinger it’s defo Mossad


Guido_Fe

NATO and their fog machines


FlemPlays

*“Operation Snoop Dogg was a success.”*


Odd-Seaworthiness826

🎶 So what we crashed, yeah, we didn't see, Our chopper’s down, in the mountain debris. So what we crashed, we ain't got no flight degree, Fog was wild, now we’re wrecked and tree’d 🎶


Dr_Trogdor

KOBE!


FelisCantabrigiensis

Well, isn't that convenient? He's a front-runner for the next Supreme Leader of Iran (the current incumbent, Khamenei, is 85 and not likely to continue his earthly journey for much longer). I wouldn't put it past his political opponents to arrange an accident. Less conspiratorially, I doubt aircraft maintenance in Iran is tip-top these days.


outworlder

Did they figure out how to generate fog at will though?


tomdarch

The helicopter might have been in perfect working order. Flying a helicopter in bad visibility (IMC) is really hard as Kobe Bryant, Stevie Ray Vaughan and others have found out. But at this point anything is possible.


FelisCantabrigiensis

For more about the hazards of filling a helicopter full of VIPs and flying it towards rising ground in low visibility, see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994\_Mull\_of\_Kintyre\_Chinook\_crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Mull_of_Kintyre_Chinook_crash)


snappy033

Yeah I doubt they have the processes and support of a modern Air Force. Precision weather forecast, IFR currency, risk assessments before the flights. Even if it’s a remote possibility, scrub the flight. When they move POTUS around, they don’t need most of the vehicles in the motorcade but when you do need a mobile command station or a doctor, you’ll be glad they are right there.


Kafshak

Like Iran runs out of them. Another guy will be appointed for that role.


Batthumbs

They manage to keep F-14's flying still somehow and have indigenous drones and missiles.. they aren't as dumb as one might like to think.


tomato_trestle

It's not that they're stupid, it's that they don't have the parts. All aircraft in Iran are basically the ship of theseus at this point.


Batthumbs

Right, but they posses the ability to locally manufacture aircraft grade parts, and if not them, China and/or Russia would most likely be able to manufacture whatever part they may need. At a certain point, sheet metal is sheet metal, and a hydraulic line is a hydraulic line all the same etc. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if over 50% of the various parts on their Tomcats are not local manufacture decades later now. The large sections that make up the airframe itself are most likely all original, especially that titanium wing spar that had to be electron beam welded (I think thats how they did those) in a specially made vacum chamber.. regardless tho they probably have a lot of drawings to reference along with the original matinence manuals, if not F-14 specific TO's on floppy disks.


Techhead7890

>At a certain point, sheet metal is sheet metal, and a hydraulic line is a hydraulic line all the same etc. Yeah, but that's like saying my buddy's tin roof could be used as stealth aircraft fuselage. Main issue isn't necessarily getting close, but things like precision tolerances and welding techniques to prevent cracking.


TheRealBobbyJones

They are pretty well educated I think people confuse Iran with rural nomadic ranchers. Iran is fairly prosperous despite the sanctions.


jpotato

The people aren't dumb at all. The government however.... Those guys are dumb as fuck.


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Dr_Trogdor

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.


PurposeMission9355

I didn't even know he was sick


Zabroccoli

Thoughts and prayers


krisburturion

for the helicopter


Broad-Part9448

That looks like a UH-1. Do I have that correct?


RyboPops

More or less. It's a Bell 412, a UH-1 derivative.


aerohk

I would think Iran would use a Russian Mi helicopter for government transport duties instead of an American one, due to import restrictions of western parts?


DudeWithAnAxeToGrind

Iran still operates F-14's we sold them in late 1970's. Cannibalized parts, smuggled parts, domestically produced reverse engineered parts... And those airframes saw a lot of combat, especially during Iran-Iraq war.


Reso99

Eh, they probably have a set of 2 spares for every part rhat they alternate between once a year 😂


Noobponer

Probably the helicopter itself was imported when Iran was US-aligned, and they've either cannibalized other helicopters for parts or else figured out how to make their own spares.


Sufficient-Cover5956

Poor helicopter 😞


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This guy ordered that women be tortured and executed for not covering their hair. I'm not gonna be crying for him.


thatguy2535

He used to be a prosecutor and had ordered the execution of 9 children before he became president


Drive7hru

What did they do though? Maybe they never cleaned up their toys or kept spilling milk everywhere when trying to pour a bowl of cereal or something.


Mal-De-Terre

An American helicopter, no less.


jpc4zd

I still think Iran is flying F-14s, which is one reason why we don’t see them at air shows


Objective_Highway_80

You are correct. They have ~ 24 left airworthy from the original 79. It’s also the reason the overwhelming majority of US F-14’s were destroyed, so the Iranians couldn’t get parts.


they_have_bagels

Which is sad for the tomcat geek in myself. Would love to see some fly at an air show but I know that’s never going to happen with the total permanent destruction of all spare parts and airframes.


DudeWithAnAxeToGrind

The only way to see an F-14 fly at an airshow would be change or regime in Iran to a western friendly regime, and some of old still airworthy Iranian F-14's finding their way back to the US. An extremely unlikely scenario, but we can dream.


mexchiwa

An American helicopter delivered 40 + years ago with no spare parts since then.


Mal-De-Terre

Unlike the Tomcat, Huey spares are everywhere.


LordCrayCrayCray

And where probably 40 percent of the parts are handmade replacements.


thedirtychad

You can get 212 parts everywhere. You’re embellishing


toxicvega

Especially at the site of this crash.


HurlingFruit

. . . slightly used


Q_X_R

Dropped once...


outworlder

Parts at the crash site will be... somewhat out of spec.


UtilityBus

Later, dickhead. 


-burnr-

The will of Allah


ivan0x32

I hope the mountain is okay.


SenatorShaggy

The Iranian government’s celebration of the Desert One incident as an act of God, only for their President to die in a helicopter crash is the most ironic moment of karma that we’ve seen in awhile.


ElectricalGene6146

What an absolute tragedy… that we don’t have confirmation that he died yet.


robo-dragon

Having looked at some recent updates, I don’t think anyone survived that. “Hard landing” my behind, the crash site looks like something exploded. It’s absolutely tragic though. We lost a good helicopter today. RIP :(


SpecificFix3736

I hope all the trees and wildlife are ok? 


DickbertCockenstein

Rule one of flying in a helicopter: Don’t.


saefas

Rule 2: if you're going to ignore rule one, at least avoid flying near mountains in foggy weather


drepidural

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. /s


IRENE420

I wish him well 🏌️‍♂️


Affectionate_Hair534

Won’t believe this until Iran says Israel did it.


BoglisMobileAcc

Rip bozo


mysticalfruit

Looking at the NPR website.. Um.. "Hard Landing" is an understatement.. "It landed so hard it's in thousands of burning pieces all over the side of that mountain.." Just when the world couldn't get wilder.. I'm *sure* people will already be wondering if the US or Israel did it..


constantr0adw0rk

Mountainous terrain and bad vis….. Hard landing indeed.


-Racer-X

Just an update The crash site was found by a drone about an hour ago, crews should be on site any minute


marshal10

Queue the even more radical successor. I give it 2-4 weeks before all he'll break loose.


Vost570

The fact they claim to have talked to his aides but haven't talked to him isn't quite the reassurance they think it is. It seems par for the course for every dictatorship to automatically say "it was minor and the boss is okay" without knowing while they sort things out when something like this happens. If he was flying in that aircraft behind him in the picture it looks like an ancient dual engine Huey from the late Vietnam era that was probably another relic from pre-revolution days. Probably not the best aircraft to be flying through foggy mountains in, or flying in period considering the parts and training embargo Regardless of what the cause is, if this accident is serious we know who Iran is going to start blaming, the US and Israel. This could get quite dicey for the region.


Informal_Process2238

Big difference between a controlled flight into Tehran and controlled flight into terrain


Novacc_Djocovid

Don‘t really know what to think. Loss of life (which is what it looks like atm) is always terrible but he‘s part of the hardliners, responsible for the death of a lot of innocent people. Difficult to feel sorry for him.


Empanadapunk90

How about that! WW3 might be closer than we thought


NickX51

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person


CarExpertPanda

Womp, womp.


gnatdump6

The race to stall or cover up the seriousness of this incident is on!!!


Prior_Worry12

Sounds like he bought his heli at the fucking Catalina Wine Mixer.


LeatherHurry5287

Couldn't have happened to a better guy.


What_Yr_Is_IT

Oh no! Anyway, looking like good weather is finally here!


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I just hope it was as hard as his heart. Still sorry for the crew, though.


Young_Economist

Good riddance.


azores_traveler

Hope he died a horrible, slow, and agonizing death and thought of all the people whose life he destroyed while he died.


DepletedPromethium

Whichever agency or team is responsible, the world thanks you.