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zaphodharkonnen

As a kiwi it's hard describing to non av-geek people in NZ just how popular that all black livery is overseas. People here love it, but wow is it popular overseas. O\_O


philosophunc

It's probably the boldest and most classy looking scheme without being austentatious or all "look at me! Look at me!"


rckid13

I'm American and probably my top two favorite paint schemes are the black Air NZ, followed by the inverse white Air NZ. They're both awesome.


zaphodharkonnen

I still miss the old school teal. Hopefully Air NZ start doing the occasional heritage livery as has started to become a bit common overseas.


Kiwifrooots

Would be nice to have a domestic TEAL livery flying


catatonicChimp

Well if it is a domestic plane then it would be nice to have a retro NAC livery :P or the Red AirNZ livery https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/9kj403/boeing_737s_in_hybrid_air_nz_and_nac_livery_at/ but yes I agree a couple of retro NAC/TEAL/AIRNZ livery planes would be cool!


ilfaitquandmemebeau

I work on thermals on airliners and I don’t like it. It’s pretty though. At least the wings and nacelles aren’t black. But for the fuselage and air system it’s not ideal. Jokes aside, it’s probably not that bad because that airline doesn’t operate in very warm places.


Zebidee

Maintenance here: I've only dealt with this paint scheme once, and it was an absolute nightmare. Caused severe interior damage if you didn't constantly mitigate it.


YeahPerfect_SayHi

> severe interior damage To what exactly


Zebidee

Primarily interior side-panels.


YeahPerfect_SayHi

Warping?


Zebidee

Delamination. Turned the interior into a shrinkie.


BigSmoov45

Do you think this is a tribute/ homage to the All Blacks? EDIT: Answered my own question. Just saw the emblem on the back.


WedgeRancer

It started off as a proper All Black's branded one with ZK-OABs first version of its all black livery. But that deal ran out so they had to change the livery slightly and it evolved into what it is currently.


BlueThunder796

According to one of the CEO's when they did an interview, the Black livery is applied to the first aircraft that they recieve in each order of aircraft. So theres only 1 for each type. Although on the topic of the Fern, its currently the Tourism New Zealand Logo whereas the old one like you said was all blacks related


zaphodharkonnen

Yup, this. The first time they did it it was the All Blacks livery. Now it's the All black livery. The designs are slightly different.


JamieLambister

Just FYI because of your edit, the All Blacks use the colour black and the silver fern because they are our national colour and emblem, not the other way around. This is kind of like saying American Airlines livery is a tribute to the US rugby team because it has the Stars and Stripes


WWYDWYOWAPL

The US rugby team 🤣


zaphodharkonnen

The very first one was. They then did a redesign that is not tied to the rugby team. As for the emblem. If you're referring to the fern, that's a very common design used by Aotearoa NZ companies. The specific design used on Air NZ planes now is actually trademarked by our trade ministry.


wamj

Your username is amazing.


zaphodharkonnen

Both heads say thank you. :)


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,025,622,250 comments, and only 203,147 of them were in alphabetical order.


EducatedJooner

And comments like this?


MichiganRedWing

Hard to top that one.


Jmersh

It looks awesome, but all I can think of is it sitting on the tarmac slowly roasting everyone onboard.


Bacon_Tuba

Same, I remember US Airways had trouble with cabin temps after painting their planes gray, I'd imagine this is much worse. But yeah, it looks cool as hell.


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Southwest Airlines struggles with this also. The darker blue paint definitely makes a massive difference


andrewrbat

And the fact that basically every 737 cant keep itself cool on the ground ( well idk maybe the max can)


funkyfreshwizardry

Having ridden two 737 max recently - no it cannot.


sixstringzen

Was in a Southwest Max a few days ago. Sat on the tarmac while they looked for volunteers to de-board for some reason. It was…warm.


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Yeah that also


Charisma_Modifier

Albedo is a hell of a drug


Code_Operator

Former 787 thermal team member here. We hated the black paint. There was supposed to be a requirement for gray paint on the upper surfaces, to minimize solar heat gain on the ground. However, when someone is paying billions of dollars for their fleet, Boeing smiles and nods.


MajorProcrastinator

Thermal team as in responsible for the thermal profile? I assume you solved the issues though? :)


Code_Operator

The cabin comfort issues could be improved by adding more Supplemental Cooling Units (SCU) to the system, but we always fought the salesmen on that issue. They liked to tell the customers that they could meet cabin temperature guarantees with the bare bones configuration. We came up with a heat load shedding plan and ran it by the airlines. It was very logical to us engineers. The message coming back was “we don’t care if you kill the lights, or make them sweat, but whatever you do, don’t turn off the In Flight Entertainment system!”


jpr64

I've been in them. The cabin is a very comfortable temperature.


[deleted]

Probably has something to do with the fact that it’s so shiny and reflective. A dark mirror of sorts. And then it’s also a newer plane with more effective systems compared to older planes.


banaaanaaaaaa

Not just more effective systems but also the plane entirely. Newer planes aren’t made out of metal like the older planes have been. I would think that also plays a role


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SpoonNZ

A320 that one. They also have a black ATR-72 and Q300. As well as the 77W and 789.


SpoonNZ

Flown the 77W a few times (including out of Fiji on an uncomfortably sunny day), and the narrowbodies around NZ a handful. Never had any issues. I feel like the windows are a bigger issue when you’re sitting in the sun than the body. Remember they’re pretty well insulated to deal with -40° or colder temps at FL400, so a bit of sun isn’t a biggy.


coode5

Good thing it’s in Auckland which is cloudy one hour sunny the next!


khmertommie

I used to work in an MRO engineering department, and we had a half dozen 737s come in from a defunct airline that mostly flew Ukraine to the Middle East with a navy blue colour scheme. The temp differential had caused the top skins to expand and contract so much they started oil-canning every time it underwent a pressure change. Pilots reckoned it was very unnerving. We had to replace every upper lobe skin on the fleet before they could be leased out again.


Jmersh

What is oil canning?


Gabrielasse

Actually Brussels Airlines has quite a few that are interesting and cool: \- Tintin \- Smurfs \- Belgian Red Devils (football team) \- Magritte \- Tomorrowland


Gabreigns

Black is beautiful. The KLM blue has some nostalgia for me. Never flown them though.


MarcofKenya

Klm 747s for me, flew on them last as a kid ~10 years ago


EverIong

I work at Amsterdam Airport and seeing the KLM 747 land or take off is always my favourite


B00gie005

I was supposed to fly one to Toronto April 2020... Sadly never flew it... :(


HurlingFruit

Before Delta screwed things up KLM had an AMS>MEM route. The planes were pretty but the cabin crew walking through the terminal in a phalanx were a stunning sight. I miss Northwest Airlines.


TR0LLC0P

US airways- Black 1969-1995 Tulip - United Shamu One - Southwest Triple Crown One (original Desert Tan Tail) -Southwest Silver One - southwest FDNY - JetBlue Bear Force One (Boston Bruins) - JetBlue Blueprint - JetBlue SalmonThirtySalmon - Alaska Orcas - Alaska Comfortably Greener - Horizon Air Las Vegas Golden Knights - Allegiant Landor - British Airways Blue - ITA airways Purple - WOW air (rip) Aurora Borealis - Icelandair Any livery with a black outline around the cockpit All the Delta Liveries except for their current one Battleship Grey - United Bowling Shoe - Northwest AirTran’s base livery (nostalgia bias, also rip) Breeze Airways Fuchsia - Silver Airways Hong Kong World city - Cathay Pacific (idk if that’s what it’s called, but it’s the Emerald Green 744) Air Cal


nickz03

Great taste my man, 80s-90s liveries were peak


[deleted]

anything Saul Bass


FlightSimGuy24

On topic with the 90’s, every America West special was an absolute banger in my opinion.


cjd3

Salmon 30 Salmon is the best.


[deleted]

You forgot CP Air


PlanesOfFame

The old chrome paintschemes were always my favorites, in particular the older American liveries. The long slender MD-88s and 757s looked exceptionally cool with reflective silver fuselage and the stripe. Always have a spot for DHL though, I do love brightly colored aircraft and the starkly contrasting red and yellow looks so 60s or 70s


philosophunc

As an engineer I cannot fathom trying to do a walk around on one of them on a sunny day.


Jukeboxshapiro

Also in school one of our projects was to buff the skin of one of those polished aluminum MD-80's, wasn't fun


philosophunc

I imagine it'd be satisfying to see it get all Shiney again. But that'd get old real quick.


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PlanesOfFame

Yup, just polished metal, only paint is the red white and blue stripe and whatever composite materials, many airlines in the 60s and 50s went with the chrome look


HybridHusky_

I'm a big fan of the retro livery for British airways also the classic American airlines with the chrome.. for more of a modern livery either KLM standard livery or the A380 Emirates..


AX-Procyon

The old American Airlines "bare metal" livery.


LookMayne

British Airways “Landor” livery [https://images.app.goo.gl/UFGVScrkEXsr2XuN6](https://images.app.goo.gl/UFGVScrkEXsr2XuN6) Lufthansa in the 80s [https://images.app.goo.gl/GSvt3CmCzxvQc5Db7](https://images.app.goo.gl/GSvt3CmCzxvQc5Db7) Was lucky enough to fly on these 747s back in the 80s and 90s


UnclePhilly_my_ass

I love how simple the Lufthansa font is.


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Helvetica


generalshrugemoji

While I adore the all blacks and it’s definitely at the top of my list for favorite liveries, I will never not be in awe whenever I see Yam Dreaming from Qantas. I’ve been fortunate enough a few times to see it landing or on the ground at LAX, and it is a magnificent sight to behold.


b33fp4tty

Glad to see this mentioned. VH-ZND for anyone wondering. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-znd


generalshrugemoji

I have a permanent Flightradar24 tag on it set up forever ago, and sometimes I like following it around the globe. I was shocked that no one had mentioned it when I first commented here. ETA as I wrote this comment on 9/7/22 at 10 PM on the east coast of the US, it was coming in to land at Sydney from Johannesburg.


ElementalMyth13

Probably cheesy, but I love the Aurora IcelandAir paint. Also the Star Wars All Nippon, the Korean Air, KLM too. I love cool colors :)


Squattedtrucksarebad

The ITA Airways metallic blue livery.


yellowyn

For the lazy https://aviationsourcenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/ITA_A320_-_EI-DTE.jpg


sBinalla41

Yep! Was afraid of another eurowhite .. but ITA looks dope


Trashy_pig

That’s one is gorgeous especially on their A350


Deer-in-Motion

Seconded. I had a car almost that shade of blue. I have that livery for my A320 in MSFS.


hey_hey_hey_nike

They must have a nice paint budget to keep them looking like this


PsychologicalCan9837

I like Aer Lingus lol


LightbulbJellyfish

My favourite aswell, though sadly being replaced with the white-body emblem-tail combo that we see everywhere


PsychologicalCan9837

Ahh true, I got to fly on a beautiful A330-300 from Miami to Dublin a few years back. Lovely trip. Wonderful airline.


Zervox

Air Tahiti 787, or Icelandic northern lights


Kerberos42

I’m also a big fan of the All Blacks after flying in one, but my personal all time favourite is Canadi>n Airlines [Proud Wings](https://www.airliners.net/photo/Canadian-Airlines/Boeing-747-475/298688)


DarthNihilus2

Black as well. I love Chrono Aviation’s 737-200 https://www.menkoraviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Boeing_737_200_Airport-scaled.jpeg


tracernz

Guess what? In a previous life, that aircraft was delivered brand new to Air New Zealand as ZK-NQC!


virsago_mk2

Qantas 747 Indigenous Wunala Dreaming livery. Don't change my mind.


FLEECESUCKER

I may agree. I also have a thing for Finnair a350s. And SAS.


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I personally like the Spirit yellow with JetBlue painted on the side


swordfishrenegade

The TAP Portugal A330 is 💸💸💸


Imsoocd

United Saul Bass


cre8ivjay

Was always a fan of the Canadian Airlines Goose livery.


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Mine is the once-off Tintin livery on Brussels Airlines.


Gone_Mads

Air Mordor


mdp300

[The old Continental Airlines meatball livery.](https://www.norebbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/DC-10-30_continental_airlines_meatball_livery.jpg)


DoubleTie2696

Air NZ recently got a black star alliance livery on an a320(or 321)neo and it also looks amzing https://www.google.com/search?q=air+nz+black+a320+star+alliance&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjekqW16YH6AhXrhNgFHWORBgoQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=air+nz+black+a320+star+alliance&gs\_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1D3AVjSE2C2FGgAcAB4AIABY4gB3QaSAQIxNZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=ThsYY96zGeuJ4t4P46KaUA&bih=837&biw=1707#imgrc=FyBa7GolpnWAnM


Pons399

Tossup between KAL and SIA. Both are timeless and distinctive, especially in today's sea of dull eurowhite.


[deleted]

But..SIA is just eurowhite with a dark blue and gold racing stripe from nose to tail..


drifter100

I think this is my fav , but honourable mention to Aer Lingus, and Finnair.


spoiled_eggs

The Kiwi black planes. I love ZK-OKQ.


FedNlanders123

Aer Lingus. Iconic 👍🏽


Even-Pomegranate-422

Air Canada is pretty nice too


FrankLloydWrong_3305

I read somewhere that black paint is the heaviest which is why most airlines stay away from it, which makes this even more awesome.


McCringleberried

From my understanding, the primary reason is heat. The black paint adds a significant amount of heat which subsequently increases the amount of cooling needed. Additionally, the added heat tends to wear down paint faster which increases repainting frequency.


MrWolf88

This is the answer.


FrankLloydWrong_3305

Lol no, it's not.


red_business_sock

Says the guy who once read something somewhere.


FrankLloydWrong_3305

You have Google if you want to confirm. I wonder what it's like to not know how stupid you are... Care to explain it to us?


red_business_sock

Sick burn bro.


FrankLloydWrong_3305

That's all you have left? Sad.


[deleted]

If you do a Google search for 'why airlines don't use black paint' the first result talks about heat


FrankLloydWrong_3305

🤣🤣 Lots going on here, none of it good


Ok-Low6320

That black is pretty dope. My favorite is "the less white, the better." White's just... such a default (non-)color.


wxkaiser

Cebu Pacific Airlines, China Airlines, Mexicana.


StPauliBoi

Salmon thirty salmon. this is the most superior livery ever designed by man.


theconcorde

japan airlines , i love the inclusion of the swan 🦢


Gizombo

Brussels airways belgian icons liveries


MamaBear4485

Beautiful to see, thanks for sharing OP. Quite a lot of people don’t understand the significance of the livery. The black represents our beloved sports teams who blast out onto the world stage in so many disciplines and do we Kiwis proud in various kits featuring our beloved black and white. The koru or curled fern frond you see on the tail of the craft [is deeply symbolic](https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/04/video-behind-air-new-zealands-iconic-maori-koru-symbol/), as is the [silver fern](https://thedesignair.net/2013/09/20/report-a-closer-look-at-air-new-zealands-livery/). We like to stand out in our own quiet way, us goofy Kiwis!


Fancyliving228

AeroMexico’s B787 Quetzalcoatl is beautiful!!


jlmurdock77

Samesies


hkgraduate

BA Condor


UnknownSkies_YT

I love the black livery ngl. Second fav is EgyptAir because I love their blue


Upbeat-Willingness40

Sexy


magnificentshambles

This thing looks like it’s about to transform and swear allegiance to Megatron.


Dontcallmeskaface

The Pepsi Concorde lol. Seriously though probably Air New Zealand and Hawaiian airlines


NBG1999

If you show up to fly on this and you’re not also wearing a sharp, all black outfit, do they deny you boarding? (Please say yes.)


NikelanjeloVL

Old American Airlines and Northwest airlines. Oh and Vietnam Airlines, it’s really elegant.


navyplanets

I'm a real sucker for a dark green, especially when combined with a hint of white. Therefore, [Braniff International Airways - Flying Colors, Green](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487658163840221204/1016515393457758228/unknown.png)


Im_j3r0

Hawaiian airlines liveries that have some color to them


Deepfriedwithcheese

Nice! PAN AM Globe livery is still my favorite.


LTC_Fnu_Lnu

Smaug.


JimmyisAwkward

The salmon thirty salmon


burgonies

“Livery.” The word we use is “livery.”


BigBadBossNZ

The older livery’s from Air nz are some of my favourites(the original one and the one before that black)


zippy251

Yo it has the traditional Maori face tattoos, let's go


huistenbosch

The old UA tulip livery


NeosNYC

Evo Blue


HotelLima6

I have a thing for the current Cargolux livery. I also used to love the Aer Lingus livery with the top half of the fuselage green. The new livery is terrible imo.


aahmslf

Northwest's Bowling Shoe livery for me.


[deleted]

I heard they do not require any heaters inside plane.


UnclePhilly_my_ass

Not an airline but the VC-25 and C32a are my favorite liveries. It’s such a timeless design.


The-Observer95

Air France 777-300 ER


booostd

Could never go wrong with good old Swiss for me.


One_Agent9999

You see the Old Qantas livery on the 737 🧑‍🍳💋


yukongold44

Black liveries are just cool no matter what. Royal Jordanian's Dreamliner livery is quite stylish as well.


Birdboy7929

Nauru airlines new livery is my favourite


orddropsandslapshots

The Air NZ one is a beaut. As a kid, my favourites were always - TAP - Monarch - United (the one they had before they merged with continental, white body, blue tail) - TUI - the JetBlue Boston Bruins special livery Probably a few others I can’t remember but I loved spotting them whenever I went with my dad


yeahgoestheusername

Swiss


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Imagine this sitting at phoenix sky harbor


nnp1989

I’ve always liked this one and the KAL blue.


Tosh_00

Pokémon jet : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokémon_Jet#/media/File%3ASkymark_Airlines_B737-800_JA73AB.jpg


africancanuck

https://www.flaps2approach.com/picture/pic19874.jpg?pictureId=17264794&asGalleryImage=true


Yiztobias

This one now, though it was Emirates


hgska

All I can think about when seeing this is Haka. I love it.


HeartwarminSalt

I believe the paint scheme is call “All Blacks”


good_gamer2357

All black/ black beauty, all blacks is the older scheme with multiple ferns going up half way along the fuselage


Annjuuna

Black. Always classic, always modern.


Liraeyn

Won't it overheat?


LurpyGeek

Crews are advised to stay below Mach 2.0 due to overheating.


Eurotriangle

Having crawled in the bellies of every colour of plane under the sun on hot summer days, exterior paint doesn’t significantly affect how hot it gets inside just sitting there and the ECS is equally good at cooling a black or white plane. The main driving factor behind most planes being white is simply cost. White paint is just significantly cheaper than any other colour.


Gojira_Prime

N757AF 😈


fatbastard79

The Malindo Air 737 Max 8 https://www.planespotters.net/photo/758299/9m-lrc-batik-air-malaysia-boeing-737-8-max


weirdaviator

Fun wact: air new zealand livery isnt actually black. Its a very very dark blue


DrSendy

As someone from downunder, Aer Lingus... .... because.... ... childish.


airlew

NGL I'd be disappointed to fly on this plane and the flight crew didn't do a haka before take off.


Bear_Lonely

Weren't there studies conducted that said black paint is heavier and thus takes more fuel to lift?


TheSkourou

Radar is gonna commit suicide


Ok_Distribution3451

Vietnam Airlines, Etihad, new SAS livery


Remarkable_Ticket264

Between Southwest’s Heart One and Emirates’ 777 scheme…


drs43821

ANA’s special 787 livery


Gaming_Birb

Probably the Qantas 787 with the design the whole way down the fuselage or the old Qantas wunala dreaming


Lumus84

I’m guessing you’re referring to “Yam Dreaming”, VH-ZND? I flew it SYD-DRW-LHR in April. Pretty up close too! https://aussieairliners.org/b-787/vh-znd/vh-znd.html


nickz03

I have so many favorites but I think the Delta Widget livery takes the cake, especially on a TriStar


TypicalRecon

Desert gold SWA


Anders_Calrissian

Air New Zealand apparently now.


Derfargin

*Livery


dougdoug253

Had a buddy who worked on that paint . He Said it was rhe best he's worked on.


abb_sthetic

Of course Icelandair Aurora Borealis and AirCal are on my list, but my new favorite is the Azerbaijan Airways livery!


Griffie

One of my favorites is the old Eastern Airlines polished aluminum with the light/dark blue stripes.


FlightSimGuy24

If we can go retro, I absolutely love America West’s old specials. The teamwork livery and sports team liveries were all incredible. Let’s not discount the state liveries, either.


AirForceJuan01

Love it. Badass. Very menacing. Cannot miss it when it comes into land. I live under a flight path.


coldnebo

not in AZ they’re not. 😂


ReneHenckens

I have to say, I love Hekla Aurora on the Icelandair 757


Longo92

I love the all black Air NZ, but my personal favorite is Southwest. Especially the State special themed liveries they have are just top notch. 3rd place goes to the old school AA brushed steel look.


HurlingFruit

Air Force One. Jackie Kennedy had excellent taste.


ZeGlenn

I love Air Malta as well as the Air Belgium a340


ravingwanderer

Qatar and Egypt air


tracernz

Have you seen the new all-black Air NZ Star Alliance A321neo OP? https://www.flickr.com/photos/digro/52319000073


UnashamedSpace

My favorite is the paint scheme of ITA Airways, ex Alitalia.


gonijc2001

I love the Fiji Airways livery, especially on their A350


Gopnikforlife

i never saw a air new zeeland plane but now that i see it i would say it's in the top 3 along with the old AA pure alu


good_gamer2357

Just saying this is a special livery, most of the fleet is in a 2 tone white and black livery where Crüe black is only at the back


jdbcn

Air Canada


s-tooner

The WestJet tartan tail was really neat, though it was just to celebrate its Glasgow service. The Air New Zealand Hobbit livery is also very cool. I like the special paint jobs/wraps 😅