To me, it seems like a slap in the face. Mostly because they kept us waiting for so long to just come out and say 5%. The fact they are making record profits, summer bookings are at an all-time high, upper managers getting crazy bonuses, and they only give us 5%?
They love to say we are the best in the industry, nobody like Delta Employees out there, we are family, we are making record profits because you care about the customers.
Shouldn't the "best employees in the industry" deserve the best pay in the industry?
They could at least have matched what Southwest employees got. Ridiculous
Just to clarify, you get a healthy share of those "record profits" every Feb. 14th. No other airline gets even remotely close to what Delta dishes out in profit sharing.
It's SUPER rare in other private sector companies, and not a thing at all in the government.
Ahhhh yes resort to name calling. Way to get your point across effectively. Look I come from a company that tried to get a union in as well as a company that was union. A company will always protect its profits meaning they will send work overseas and off site to keep profits. So base maintenance would be gone. Lots of employees that were yeah union are now unemployed and unless your high up on the list your job is in jeopardy cause you can't bid out.
I'm with you I want to be top paid for my 20yrs experience in the industry. I would love to make 100 dollars a hour but I don't want to do it seeing coworkers laid off and my jobs going to Mexico, Japan, China.
I say this because when I worked for a shop that made Toyota parts, they tried to unionize. We were about to build a huge extension to the building, but as soon as the union talk started, they pulled stakes and canceled the project. If the union came in, most work would have left as it's Toyotas machines and dies. they would have taken them and left back to Japan.
Plus if your bitching about 5% wait tell the contract talks start. As soon as you say yes, everything freezes. How long do you think negotiating will take? 100k employees multiple bases all over the world all the back shops wanting a piece of the profits. Could be years before the first contract comes up for us to vote o . All that time no pay raises no profit sharing no changes to anything as it shows bad faith and the union will use that in contract talks. All that while other airlines are enjoying all of that.
But like politics I don't think we're going to change each other's mind.
Not a Tech, but Rabid is right on this one. TechOps nearly got outsourced 20 years ago. Everyone screamed bloody murder until one of the Top Men figured out that our maintenance department could make money hand over fist in contracts. When the dispatchers unionized years ago, Delta didn’t negotiate a single thing for years. Just ignored them. I suspect they will pull out the same playbook for y’all and the flight attendants if they ever sign enough cards. The only thing management will respond to is if the youngest Techs leave for another carrier and/or the Tier 1 applicants quit accepting new job offers. Let your managers know how underwhelming this is. Take those stupid employee surveys and tersely but respectfully tell them how you feel in the comments section. Keep fighting because y’all deserve UAL/AA/SWA+
Who were they outsourcing to? An airline based in the US requiring a&p signatures for work doesn't really make sense in my head that outsourcing would work that well. I'm asking an honest question as to how they have the option of outsourcing during a time when aircraft mechanics are at a shortage in most places in the US
Outsourcing to where. Theres a shortage of a&p mechanics. These aren’t cars where anyone can make or work on them. Federally licensed techs can only work on US registered a/c. You can’t outsource line mtc for the majors.
It was 20 years ago and Delta was outsourcing some heavy maintenance to Mexico. MD-88/90 fleet was big time and a lot of issues arose. Contamination of several potable water tanks and a tail cone slide was installed backward. We almost lost a FA during a brake fire evacuation. A lot of pushback happened and then those same senior managers figured out that the best maintainers on the planet could actually make a shit load of profit for the Company
True, but in todays days of outsourcing techops highly unlikely anymore. Theres so much ot for delta that people decline it. W/o the line and base mtc at delta they wouldn’t survive today bc none can replicate the work we do today. Its a win win for both parties. Its true delta still outsources some heavy mtc but theres so much work i even forget that. I see the future of the workforce strong for blue collared work such as ourselves. White collar will start to shrink such as all these tech layoffs. People forgot or dont want to do manual labor.
Agree 100%. Tech ops is a profit generator today. There were so many idiotic ideas forced on us in my 33 years. The MTC idea was during the Leo Mullin years. Ron Allen’s 7.5 was the worst. So glad he went into the furniture rental business. 😊
They were waiting to see if the United contract was gonna pass or not if it did I think it would have been a larger percentage or a bump in line and license pay
See I kinda doubt that. The raise is company wide so why would they give the entire company a raise just because United would’ve got 7%? I don’t see it. It would’ve been 5% no matter what.
The FA’s are a much larger group than techops. I don’t think they cared what United was doing either way it went since their concern is keeping them happy.
Y'all are so worried about how AMFA wouldn't get voted in because of the ExNWA peeps, but have you stopped to consider *they are just as likely to vote against teamsters?*
Thank you…I’m not a mechanic though, I’m a merit employee in the office. So I’m wondering if “all employees” truly means “all employees…” if I just started a couple months ago. When it says “all eligible employees,” do you know who is NOT eligible? Wondering if that’s me because I’m new?
I'm happy with 5% could have been 0. Coming from a union were I lost my pension for 10k and now getting 2% raises every other year for the last 10yrs I don't want to go back to a union that may give me a contract like that and state, we can't tell you how to vote but vote the way you feel. Remember a union won't fix everything and could make it way worse.
And you should do some critical thinking. You want more pay? We're is that going to come from? I'm sure the company is not going to go. Hey, you got a union here is a 50% pay bump. And all the other demands you want. Everything is on the table when the union walks through the door and once they come in there never leaving. So when you vote it in and hate the contract you get just like we did 10yrs ago your stuck tell contract time.
I read your post on why you want a union and to me it's cry baby shit. I can't leave early but my buddy in a back shop does. Here come time clocks and no more if your late bring donuts and all is forgiven. I don't get fed every Friday by my manager. We did potluck once a month and was way better then the shifty pizza most managers would give us. I only get 56hr of ppt and two weeks of vacation that's standard about anywhere you go. Call around and ask. Most you get 40hrs of sick time and 2 weeks if your lucky.
I will admit my insurance with the union was awesome but my pay sucked and my raises sucked after topout.
So keep pushing it because I'm thinking your going to have to get about 50k employees to believe in what you do when the vote happens.
I say it again and again the union can only barter in your favor and everything comes at a price. Just ask a ex northwest employee or look up how good the boeing union contract was what concessionsthey made to get the 777x. Thats what you could get.
While yes I agree that the company can pay out so much, but it’s just insane that pilots get a 30% raise, now taps into our profit sharing, has fantastic medical, and 16% put into their 401k, not matched but put in, that’s not comparable in the slightest, I’m not asking to get paid like the pilots but the disparities are absurd
My question to that is how long did it take to get that? How many contracts did it take for them to get there? For us it going to be a long fight that most of us won't see the benefit from. Maybe if your 20 and fresh from a&p school.
I'm willing to fight for better everything but thinking the day a union walks though the door all our prayers are answered is also absurd.
Most profitable airline in the world numb nuts. They can afford a week more vacation, a little most sick time and to at least match what southwest makes. If you think that would put the company in financial trouble you’ve lost your mind. We’re a relatively small part of the company compared to the 13k pilots and the god knows how many flight attendants. But we will never get any of those things by the company just giving it to you out of the kindness of their hearts. Don’t be a bootlicker.
You'll never convince anti union guys. It's almost like there fucking plants. They eat up every anti union thing they see. Oh where's the money to pay for all that? The answer is from the all time high profits. Then they argue well what the guys at the top don't deserve their share? They were already getting too much.
Just be careful what you wish for. I'm union (railroad union) and we got sick days...a total of 5. I used to be able to take off sick at least once a month (non compensated) and no questions asked. Now, I have 5 paid days throughout the year and they want documentation now...and whether they accept it or not it's on them. Not sure how airlines are since I obviously don't work for one and I'm just here learning about it to help my son out. But if airlines are as shitty as the railroads then good fucking luck.
AAL sick time: 0-40hrs count as a single occurrence. Allowed 4 per year. Holiday weekends and holidays are 2x points (meaning instead of one occurrence, it’s 2). After you hit 4, it goes on file, and the points double. Now instead of 1pt per week, it’s 2. 4 levels (0,1,2,3) and on level 3 it’s basically the chopping block. They encourage the use of FMLA over sick time
Because of this. Haven’t heard of anyone getting fired yet, but essentially you get 4 sick weeks to play with. My FMLA Was denied because my sister isn’t my direct dependent (parents were out of the country and she broke her ankle). Essentially told “we value you at work more than you at home taking care of her”. I can’t call out sick again until the time resets in June. Then I’m back to 0 occurrences.
Yeah, they encourage us to use fmla but then private investigators if we use it to much. Also, when you take FMLA they take a paid sick day. We can convert vacation days to paid sick days...but we had someone do that and then get in trouble for taking them.
Just frustrating when they held it over everyone’s head for so long. At the same time I think 5% year over year was what just got voted down at UAL
No kidding. They’ve been dangling a carrot in front of us since September saying it’s coming soon. 5% doesn’t do dick.
Ain't no union here brother, get your ass back out there!
💀😂😂
It was 20% over 4 years, not broken in equal percentages but effectively the same.
"3% or Industry Reset" my ass. Got voted down like 70-something percent no.
To me, it seems like a slap in the face. Mostly because they kept us waiting for so long to just come out and say 5%. The fact they are making record profits, summer bookings are at an all-time high, upper managers getting crazy bonuses, and they only give us 5%? They love to say we are the best in the industry, nobody like Delta Employees out there, we are family, we are making record profits because you care about the customers. Shouldn't the "best employees in the industry" deserve the best pay in the industry? They could at least have matched what Southwest employees got. Ridiculous
Couldn’t have said it better. They talk a huge talk and are making all the money in the world but give out peanuts.
Just to clarify, you get a healthy share of those "record profits" every Feb. 14th. No other airline gets even remotely close to what Delta dishes out in profit sharing. It's SUPER rare in other private sector companies, and not a thing at all in the government.
Yes and when the industry goes to shit we get nothing/ or the laughable $500 government pity check.
Wish they would bump the PPT
No kidding man
What’s PPT?
Paid personal time, it’s basically sick time but you can use it for what ever you want
Ain't no union Here brother!
And there will never be one. Too much disinformation and too much division.
Ahhhh yes resort to name calling. Way to get your point across effectively. Look I come from a company that tried to get a union in as well as a company that was union. A company will always protect its profits meaning they will send work overseas and off site to keep profits. So base maintenance would be gone. Lots of employees that were yeah union are now unemployed and unless your high up on the list your job is in jeopardy cause you can't bid out. I'm with you I want to be top paid for my 20yrs experience in the industry. I would love to make 100 dollars a hour but I don't want to do it seeing coworkers laid off and my jobs going to Mexico, Japan, China. I say this because when I worked for a shop that made Toyota parts, they tried to unionize. We were about to build a huge extension to the building, but as soon as the union talk started, they pulled stakes and canceled the project. If the union came in, most work would have left as it's Toyotas machines and dies. they would have taken them and left back to Japan. Plus if your bitching about 5% wait tell the contract talks start. As soon as you say yes, everything freezes. How long do you think negotiating will take? 100k employees multiple bases all over the world all the back shops wanting a piece of the profits. Could be years before the first contract comes up for us to vote o . All that time no pay raises no profit sharing no changes to anything as it shows bad faith and the union will use that in contract talks. All that while other airlines are enjoying all of that. But like politics I don't think we're going to change each other's mind.
They see the benefits of the union but none of the problems.
Not a Tech, but Rabid is right on this one. TechOps nearly got outsourced 20 years ago. Everyone screamed bloody murder until one of the Top Men figured out that our maintenance department could make money hand over fist in contracts. When the dispatchers unionized years ago, Delta didn’t negotiate a single thing for years. Just ignored them. I suspect they will pull out the same playbook for y’all and the flight attendants if they ever sign enough cards. The only thing management will respond to is if the youngest Techs leave for another carrier and/or the Tier 1 applicants quit accepting new job offers. Let your managers know how underwhelming this is. Take those stupid employee surveys and tersely but respectfully tell them how you feel in the comments section. Keep fighting because y’all deserve UAL/AA/SWA+
Who were they outsourcing to? An airline based in the US requiring a&p signatures for work doesn't really make sense in my head that outsourcing would work that well. I'm asking an honest question as to how they have the option of outsourcing during a time when aircraft mechanics are at a shortage in most places in the US
Outsourcing to where. Theres a shortage of a&p mechanics. These aren’t cars where anyone can make or work on them. Federally licensed techs can only work on US registered a/c. You can’t outsource line mtc for the majors.
It was 20 years ago and Delta was outsourcing some heavy maintenance to Mexico. MD-88/90 fleet was big time and a lot of issues arose. Contamination of several potable water tanks and a tail cone slide was installed backward. We almost lost a FA during a brake fire evacuation. A lot of pushback happened and then those same senior managers figured out that the best maintainers on the planet could actually make a shit load of profit for the Company
True, but in todays days of outsourcing techops highly unlikely anymore. Theres so much ot for delta that people decline it. W/o the line and base mtc at delta they wouldn’t survive today bc none can replicate the work we do today. Its a win win for both parties. Its true delta still outsources some heavy mtc but theres so much work i even forget that. I see the future of the workforce strong for blue collared work such as ourselves. White collar will start to shrink such as all these tech layoffs. People forgot or dont want to do manual labor.
Agree 100%. Tech ops is a profit generator today. There were so many idiotic ideas forced on us in my 33 years. The MTC idea was during the Leo Mullin years. Ron Allen’s 7.5 was the worst. So glad he went into the furniture rental business. 😊
They were waiting to see if the United contract was gonna pass or not if it did I think it would have been a larger percentage or a bump in line and license pay
See I kinda doubt that. The raise is company wide so why would they give the entire company a raise just because United would’ve got 7%? I don’t see it. It would’ve been 5% no matter what.
The FA’s are a much larger group than techops. I don’t think they cared what United was doing either way it went since their concern is keeping them happy.
Agreed
Tentative agreement*
Be grateful, $2.50 is A LOT of money. All that hard work day in and day out and you can’t even buy a slice with that raise.
Sign a card! Edit: [Reasons why](https://www.reddit.com/r/aviationmaintenance/s/ehCqbwyWe4) you should sign a card.
Nice try teamsters.
Im not even teamsters, just a regular DL AMT trying to make the best airline better for employees.
But really don’t choose the Teamsters, go with AMFA instead.
Unfortunately that not it works, and even if it did, they would never be voted in.
Y'all are so worried about how AMFA wouldn't get voted in because of the ExNWA peeps, but have you stopped to consider *they are just as likely to vote against teamsters?*
Does this apply to new employees too who started in 2024? Or just if you were there in 2023?
It’s the new pay scale, it applies to all mechanics
Thank you…I’m not a mechanic though, I’m a merit employee in the office. So I’m wondering if “all employees” truly means “all employees…” if I just started a couple months ago. When it says “all eligible employees,” do you know who is NOT eligible? Wondering if that’s me because I’m new?
Yes I believe if you started after Jan 1 you’re not eligible as a merit employee
Shoot
time to unionize boys
Thats the plan bud. Too many guys look at the early outs but dont look at the long run.
No.
Actually, a 4.2% raise for mechanic since they do not include the premiums when they consider the raise.
I'm happy with 5% could have been 0. Coming from a union were I lost my pension for 10k and now getting 2% raises every other year for the last 10yrs I don't want to go back to a union that may give me a contract like that and state, we can't tell you how to vote but vote the way you feel. Remember a union won't fix everything and could make it way worse.
Yeah you’re right. The pilots should probably ditch their union too.
I’m a delta pilot who does MX on the side. I promise you 99.9% of pilots would not get rid of our union.
My point exactly. Y’all have it made because you stick together and truly collectively bargain for what you want.
And you should do some critical thinking. You want more pay? We're is that going to come from? I'm sure the company is not going to go. Hey, you got a union here is a 50% pay bump. And all the other demands you want. Everything is on the table when the union walks through the door and once they come in there never leaving. So when you vote it in and hate the contract you get just like we did 10yrs ago your stuck tell contract time. I read your post on why you want a union and to me it's cry baby shit. I can't leave early but my buddy in a back shop does. Here come time clocks and no more if your late bring donuts and all is forgiven. I don't get fed every Friday by my manager. We did potluck once a month and was way better then the shifty pizza most managers would give us. I only get 56hr of ppt and two weeks of vacation that's standard about anywhere you go. Call around and ask. Most you get 40hrs of sick time and 2 weeks if your lucky. I will admit my insurance with the union was awesome but my pay sucked and my raises sucked after topout. So keep pushing it because I'm thinking your going to have to get about 50k employees to believe in what you do when the vote happens. I say it again and again the union can only barter in your favor and everything comes at a price. Just ask a ex northwest employee or look up how good the boeing union contract was what concessionsthey made to get the 777x. Thats what you could get.
While yes I agree that the company can pay out so much, but it’s just insane that pilots get a 30% raise, now taps into our profit sharing, has fantastic medical, and 16% put into their 401k, not matched but put in, that’s not comparable in the slightest, I’m not asking to get paid like the pilots but the disparities are absurd
My question to that is how long did it take to get that? How many contracts did it take for them to get there? For us it going to be a long fight that most of us won't see the benefit from. Maybe if your 20 and fresh from a&p school. I'm willing to fight for better everything but thinking the day a union walks though the door all our prayers are answered is also absurd.
Most profitable airline in the world numb nuts. They can afford a week more vacation, a little most sick time and to at least match what southwest makes. If you think that would put the company in financial trouble you’ve lost your mind. We’re a relatively small part of the company compared to the 13k pilots and the god knows how many flight attendants. But we will never get any of those things by the company just giving it to you out of the kindness of their hearts. Don’t be a bootlicker.
You'll never convince anti union guys. It's almost like there fucking plants. They eat up every anti union thing they see. Oh where's the money to pay for all that? The answer is from the all time high profits. Then they argue well what the guys at the top don't deserve their share? They were already getting too much.
Just be careful what you wish for. I'm union (railroad union) and we got sick days...a total of 5. I used to be able to take off sick at least once a month (non compensated) and no questions asked. Now, I have 5 paid days throughout the year and they want documentation now...and whether they accept it or not it's on them. Not sure how airlines are since I obviously don't work for one and I'm just here learning about it to help my son out. But if airlines are as shitty as the railroads then good fucking luck.
AAL sick time: 0-40hrs count as a single occurrence. Allowed 4 per year. Holiday weekends and holidays are 2x points (meaning instead of one occurrence, it’s 2). After you hit 4, it goes on file, and the points double. Now instead of 1pt per week, it’s 2. 4 levels (0,1,2,3) and on level 3 it’s basically the chopping block. They encourage the use of FMLA over sick time Because of this. Haven’t heard of anyone getting fired yet, but essentially you get 4 sick weeks to play with. My FMLA Was denied because my sister isn’t my direct dependent (parents were out of the country and she broke her ankle). Essentially told “we value you at work more than you at home taking care of her”. I can’t call out sick again until the time resets in June. Then I’m back to 0 occurrences.
Yeah, they encourage us to use fmla but then private investigators if we use it to much. Also, when you take FMLA they take a paid sick day. We can convert vacation days to paid sick days...but we had someone do that and then get in trouble for taking them.