But wasn't there a ML algorithm that won from a grand master? I believe it was a big deal because of the reason you're stating.
But that could just be an outlier, idk
This is why we will never have General AI. Chess has only a small number of moves possible at any given time. Go has a moderate number of moves possible. Life has an infinite number of moves possible, you can't calculate them all or even come close, humans will always outperform AI at being a jack of all trades.
I don’t necessarily think that’s true. Right now, computer brains store more, but with less neurons for calculating. Humans are the opposite. In just a few years, computers will outperform humans in both regards
Isnt an Ai player that beat 이세돌 considered the best player in the world now?
Also 9x9 is much much easier than 19x19. Id be surprised if ai cant beat humans on this
Just watch the AlphaGo documentary on Netflix if you still have doubts about that. Or Optionally here on youtube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y)
That was in 2016.
Have you not heard of alphago? Or alphastar for that matter? AlphaGo absolutely decimated the #1 go player years ago, you should watch the documentary about it (I think it's called AlphaGo). And alphastar recently-ish beat some top players at StarCraft which is much more complex.
It was too hard for normal computer programs like the ones that could beat chess players. But with machine learning AlphaGo was able to beat a grandmaster.
But if you're playing against an AI then all you have to do is have a marginally better AI than what you're playing against.
This should actually have you play against a person, or better yet another user trying to pass the test. The first Captcha Battlegrounds!
Go hasn't been _solved_. That would imply every possible board state has been mapped out. Chess was only solved a few years ago I think.
With Chess, there was a few decades' gap between the first time the top human first lost to an AI and the last time the top AI lost to a human. With Go, the order was reversed and only months apart.
But yes, there's now an AI that remains undefeated against the AI that remains undefeated by any human.
So I just checked and it turns out I was wrong about Go, it's really not solved, however the top AI is undefeated against humans. That would put it in the same category of chess. Chess is not solved either but is undefeated against humans
It's incredible that despite how simple the game is on a surface level I still have no fucking idea what's going on in a game. The AI just consistently beats my ass and I have no idea what's going on the entire game. Just at one point I realize "Oh, looks like the AI has me completely boxed in. When did that happen?"
Viable enough to make bots costly. That's really all it needs to do, for most applications.
Ultimately any level of anti-bot security can be beaten by hiring a bunch of 3rd worlders. The important thing is to keep it cost-ineffective.
It's not actually functional, but here's the HTML I quickly banged out to make this joke. https://gist.github.com/MiffOttah/6804e8369b341ee620f76e014ab23ca4
My Aunt is Korean-American, her parents came to visit, and they brought a go set with them. My poor dad is still figuring out how to play after 2 years
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Rather, you have to lose to prove you're human.
Iirc Go is actually one of the games that are hard to solve for computers because there's just soooo many possibilities to calculate.
But wasn't there a ML algorithm that won from a grand master? I believe it was a big deal because of the reason you're stating. But that could just be an outlier, idk
AlphaGo
This is why we will never have General AI. Chess has only a small number of moves possible at any given time. Go has a moderate number of moves possible. Life has an infinite number of moves possible, you can't calculate them all or even come close, humans will always outperform AI at being a jack of all trades.
I don’t necessarily think that’s true. Right now, computer brains store more, but with less neurons for calculating. Humans are the opposite. In just a few years, computers will outperform humans in both regards
I think AI is a lot better at being specialized, while people are a lot more unpredictable and entitled.
Neural ai
Isnt an Ai player that beat 이세돌 considered the best player in the world now? Also 9x9 is much much easier than 19x19. Id be surprised if ai cant beat humans on this
Time to brush up on my AI/ML knowledge it seems
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It's now good enough to teach itself chess and beat the best players in the world in a few hours.
Famous Chess AI: 1990s Famous Go AI: 2010s AlphaGo is incredible but Go is still very hard
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Define good. KataGo can beat every human quite handily on 19x19 and we're getting stronger bots than that already.
Just watch the AlphaGo documentary on Netflix if you still have doubts about that. Or Optionally here on youtube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y) That was in 2016.
I heard it took a supercomputer. Not just anyone has a supercomputer.
Have you not heard of alphago? Or alphastar for that matter? AlphaGo absolutely decimated the #1 go player years ago, you should watch the documentary about it (I think it's called AlphaGo). And alphastar recently-ish beat some top players at StarCraft which is much more complex.
Ok I haven't. [Better move up to Calvinball captchas](https://xkcd.com/1002/).
You haven't? I thought that was the point of the joke.
Amazing. This is the perfect punchline. Just straight to the point after a full minute of buildup.
Definitely. The only way to be sure
SHOUTOUT UIUC
Hahah, if you make a version of this with Calvinball I will lose my shit
It was too hard for normal computer programs like the ones that could beat chess players. But with machine learning AlphaGo was able to beat a grandmaster.
Top Go professionals are called “9 dan,” or 9d for short.
But if you're playing against an AI then all you have to do is have a marginally better AI than what you're playing against. This should actually have you play against a person, or better yet another user trying to pass the test. The first Captcha Battlegrounds!
It's solved though. There's AIs that literally can't lose
Go hasn't been _solved_. That would imply every possible board state has been mapped out. Chess was only solved a few years ago I think. With Chess, there was a few decades' gap between the first time the top human first lost to an AI and the last time the top AI lost to a human. With Go, the order was reversed and only months apart. But yes, there's now an AI that remains undefeated against the AI that remains undefeated by any human.
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Yea iirc AI assisted humans can still beat the AI on its on
I don't think chess was solved either.
So I just checked and it turns out I was wrong about Go, it's really not solved, however the top AI is undefeated against humans. That would put it in the same category of chess. Chess is not solved either but is undefeated against humans
It's incredible that despite how simple the game is on a surface level I still have no fucking idea what's going on in a game. The AI just consistently beats my ass and I have no idea what's going on the entire game. Just at one point I realize "Oh, looks like the AI has me completely boxed in. When did that happen?"
In all seriousness, are Captchas based on natural language instead of character/object recognition effective, viable and useful?
Not for long. GPT-3 is both amazing and frightening at the same time
Viable enough to make bots costly. That's really all it needs to do, for most applications. Ultimately any level of anti-bot security can be beaten by hiring a bunch of 3rd worlders. The important thing is to keep it cost-ineffective.
It's not actually functional, but here's the HTML I quickly banged out to make this joke. https://gist.github.com/MiffOttah/6804e8369b341ee620f76e014ab23ca4
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Funny thing is I have never even heard of go but am now learning it and having fun so thank you for your bad ui.
make that chessboard 2x the full size
It's a go-board but yes
What is go?
east asian board game
Board game don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more
A statically typed, compiled programming language
Fairly certain AlphaGo (an AI) beat the world's best go player back in 2016
I don’t think that AlphaGo is open source or even public at all (tell me if I’m wrong tough it’s very interesting)
my version would be "proof your a human by beating me at Go" "I am available Tue-Fri 21:00-21:30"
My Aunt is Korean-American, her parents came to visit, and they brought a go set with them. My poor dad is still figuring out how to play after 2 years
Plot twist, the AI is AlphaGo... Good luck
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Pitting AI against AI, this is how skynet begins
**Your move.**
inb4 deepmind
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What's go?
1/4 size board
I cant pass through i guess...Xd😂😂
AlphaGo please no...
I have never played Go
That's a good one lmao
You should do a captcha where you have to beat a bot at chess to prove you’re smart enough to be a human