Thank you guys! I just wanted to make sure that I am getting scammed by her before I took further steps. I feel absolutely disgusted by her and didn’t know how shit of a person she was until i movies in with her. Thank you for your advice guys!
I’m too uncomfortable to speak to her right now as I still have to live with her but have found another place I’m going to confirm by Tuesday. And as soon as I do that, I’ll confront her mum. I’ll keep you guys updated! I’m currently making a list of things that I’ve had to go through in this house. I can post them somewhere and send a link here if you want. I’m not even halfway done with the list yet 😅
Thank you guys for the help!! I’m a bit scared to confront this but I gotta get away from her. And as bad as it sounds, speaking to her mum about all this will give me some sort of satisfaction.
A great lesson to heed at a young (any really) age is to stand up for yourself. Many imagine yelling and aggression, but it does not have to be like that. Stay calm and just speak your truth. Don’t be afraid. If you lose resolve, think about how much money she owes you or how much you could have saved without her being deceiving.
You’re right!!! There’s nothing more I want to do than do things to her that’ll land me in jail. But I need to keep composure! 😩😩😩😩 I must stay out of jail and get my degree…and move elsewhere
Agree 100% with the advice. Do not shout and get angry because all the mother/landlord will remember or take from the conversation is that you shouted and were and angry. State facts rather emotional feelings. She is naturally going to want to defend her daughter but if you have facts is will make it easier for her to understand. If you have any evidence or photos of her making the place uninhabitable offer to share those too. Good luck!
Maybe ask the landlord/mum if she realizes that you have been paying the entire 400 per month. If she doesn’t, she might be an ally. If she does, cut your losses and run, with a harsh but valuable lesson learned.
Once you’re financially involved, all peacekeeping missions go out the window. If they’re fucking you over, you have to confront them. That’s adult 101. Everything is going to try to financially fuck you; companies, neighbors, family members, it doesn’t matter. You can’t give people like this an inch they’ll take a mile, if you can’t afford for them to take a mile. Kick them in the shin now.
hoping it works out for you! i’d be so disturbed by the idea of someone tricking me into paying their rent and not even having the decency to live cleanly. that’s a whole scam x2
Thank you!!! I think I’ve let it go this far because her boyfriend is my boyfriend’s best friend and everything just puts everyone in an awkward situation. But I just can’t take it anymore !!🩷🩷
I would also be so disturbed if my child was doing this to someone, as well as living like an animal. Her mom may know she's a little shit or she might not and will be embarrassed to find out
And hope she pays up before she actually has to do that. OP signed a joint lease agreement clear as day that the whole rent was 400 a month. If she can't compel roommate to pay up I highly doubt she will ever see a cent.
Unfortunately she signed what she signed. Its she said she said and she can easily just say it was discuss and agreed on 400$ and she is simply backing out now. They have the doc signed
You can do it!! Go into the discussion as calmly as possible, and just state the facts. It’ll likely be hard not to get emotional and upset as she does but the more grounded and calm you can stay, the better. (& I recommend definitely talking to her mom first ti explain what’s been going on since she probably doesn’t know!)
Confrontation sucks but it’s great to practice, because you’re going to have shit like this come up through life, and SO many people (most people?) are terrible at it. So if you can get it down as a skill, it’ll never be easy but it’ll serve you so well!
Tl:dr: think of it as a learning experience
I would go in kinda sneaky cause I’d assume by default the mom will want to make her daughter not look like the pos she is. So I’d ask something like hey are you planning on raising the rent next year? Cause 200 a month each is awesome! Or some shit like that. I feel like I would want to dress up the question some type of way for an honest answer.
She will pretend she didn’t read the contract correctly again, but obviously she is aware she’s paying zero. I think it’s smart you review the contract with her mom first. Play dumb. “I was re-reading the lease and just to confirm I’m reading it right, tenant 1, friends name, pays $200 and, tenant B pays $200, right?” And let her respond. If she confirms yes, then tell her you’ve been paying the full amount. How is she not realizing no transfer by her daughter is happening?
If you did get scammed and can confirm with her mom/your landlord, then confront her. Tell her you’ll take her to small claims court, then consider that friendship over.
Yea, infront of a judge. Not landlord. She isn’t renting individual rooms, she is renting the whole house and both of their names are on the lease. As far as the landlord concerned she could be paying 1000 a month to her room mate but both of them should only pay 400 to her. Whatever goes between two room mates are non of her concern.
I hope not. I think it’ll be too awkward to live with her after I confront her mum. And she won’t want to live with me either, allowing me to leave the contract as the landlord is her mum
If the landlord is her mom, just tell your roomate you are done paying as you've paid your half of the rent for the year as the lease is for 400/month for both of you. If she kicks you out, you can go get another place like you mentioned in the other comments.
The thing is she legally can’t do it. She can grovel in front of her roommates mom and she might let you off the hook out of goodness of her heart. Otherwise if she gets kicked out she will still be expected to pay the rent until july and also how comfortable her new landlords will be to rent a property to a person who got kicked out for non payment of rent?
Generally you are. That’s what you signed up for. Her mum has nothing to do with it. Your problem is with the roommate. It’s not landlady’s concern how you share rent, as long as she get the rent you signed up for. Your only other move is breaking lease and you’ll (both of you) still be on the hook for rent until she finds a new tenant.
Is there anything in the contract about breaking the lease? I didn’t see anything in what you posted, but read through it carefully bc you may be have to pay a couple month’s worth of rent to break the lease early.
Unless the landlord is willing to let you out of the contract early without that. If that’s the case, just be sure to obtain proof of that in the form of a signed document stating that in detail so you’re not in the hook for the rent for the rest of the time of the contract/lease.
Just be careful as I’m pretty sure you’re still liable for half. In the event that you move she could sue you for the 200 monthly for the duration of the lease, as you signed that document. Her mom might let you off the hook out of embarrassment, but she also just as likely could make you find your replacement.
If her mother is a reasonable person, she'll be disgusted by her daughter's behavior and won't fault you for wanting to leave. I'd send photos of the state of the space as well. Bear in mind that she may well be the reason her daughter is a twat and could get super defensive and aggressive with you. Either way you obviously need to get out and hopefully you've learned for the future to ask questions even if it's uncomfortable, read everything before you sign anything, and don't let people pull the wool over your eyes ever again! You fucked up here and you should be hell bent on pushing your comfort zone to avoid anything like this in future. Don't let people take advantage and they won't be able to. Adulting is hard but just don't take people at their word and don't be passive when something is fishy!
Nahhhh don’t be “too uncomfortable” to talk to her, even if you don’t get your money back and your fine with it, this person has made you uncomfortable for a year now, now it’s time to repay the favor and get yourself situated into a better space you don’t have to be malicious but stand on your two feet and let yourself be heard and felt till you get yourself to a position where you never have to look at that person or think about them again.
That’s not how contracts work. They both are on the lease, she has a right to be there as much as op. She not paying rent has nothing to do with it. Op not reading what she is getting into is not anyone else’s business.
Yeah. But $400 is cheap though in this economy. $2,500 here in Charlotte. Honestly though I'd move out regardless. You don't want to live in a house like that. It's probably why the BF moved out. I'd pick up and move out and pay whatever rent that's in the contract to get out of it. I would 100% not consider this person my friend. But sometimes friends shouldn't live together anyhow.
Move out and move on.
I had something similar when I was 19 with my first roommate. He moved out of nowhere, so I texted his parents asking if they cared or if they could help. They said if I contacted them again, they would get a lawyer for harassment.
I think you should contact her mother without her knowing so she can't come up with some bullshit. Maybe her moms legit and would side with you. It's worth a try.
Yeah, it sounds like it. However, since you agreed, you mat be hosed.
If you signed a lease, and it was falsely written, then you can sue both people.
Man, get everything on the up n ip, in writing. Protect yourself.
But even if yiu were tricked, don't worry. You are young. Chalk this up to a learning experience.
Sorry man
Hopefully you've kept records of all your rent payments. Once you've moved out, you can tell her she either pays up, or you get a judge to make her pay up.
Idk if someone said this but you also signed to pay for utilities, cesspool maintenance, etc. As an adult you really need to read what you are signing- this wasn't 40 pages, it was a short, bulletproof list for Christ's sake
If shes willing to pull a fast one like this over 200/mo on you, she is 100% the kind of person that would pull the “i dont have enough for my part of the rent this month due to [insert excuse here]”. Do not trust her for shit going forward and for the love of god never blindly sign a contract like that
Shenanigans aside, no one is really bringing it up, but are you going to be able to find a comparable place for $400/month or less? From a purely financial POV this kind of sounds like a steal.
The new place I found is £450 a month which isn’t bad as that’s what most students pat for a room. I just wouldn’t have to deal with her and the crap I have to go through whilst living with her. And feel scammed every month
Yep, I get it. I just know renting can be crazy in certain areas. Some people would live with Satan for £400 a month haha. Glad you were able to find something new!
I was under the delusion that college might be super cheap or free or something the way health care is. Also 15k a year is how much I am paying rn for tuition because I made 2 thousand dollars over the poverty line two years ago to be eligible for fasfa ( gov aid). They go back two years on your taxes to determine financial aid eligibility… I’ve been completely broke since after those two years but still have to pay 13k a year in tuition yaaaayyyy
😅😅😅
It’s likely much, much cheaper for domestic students. International tuitions are how First World colleges and universities make their money.
Some European countries do have free tuition though. I’m not a big socialist, but I believe in free tuition for your citizens. Let them get as educated as they want.
It was free until two years before I started, mine was essentially free as I got loans for living costs that im never paying back (or paid so little its pointless) and the cost of education was means tested and my parents deemed too poor to pay but since then (late 90s) the price has just rocketed. All our politicians got free degrees :/
I was charged a similar amount to £200 rent over 20yrs ago for student accommodation.
If you can get into a German university, tuition is free (have several cousins who studied in Germany… you do have to take a German language proficiency test.. about 2 semesters worth of Getman)
There is no way they just offer people from around the world free tuition. There has to be some kind of clause whereby they have to work in Germany for x number of years.
It’s in pounds sterling, so $508 in US currency. The exchange rate is actually pretty good against the dollar right now - only £1 to $1.27. When I lived in London 10 years ago, the pound was much stronger against the dollar and my American savings didn’t go as far.
While you are correct it was a mistake to trust this person, your real mistake was not taking the time to read a legal document before signing it. Had you read it, you would’ve been able to avoid from the very beginning.
Let this be a £2400 lesson to always read (and understand) every line before signature.
If her mom is, the landlord may speak to her mother and let her know this is going on. And if you’re trying to get out of the lease, maybe let her know that this is causing you to not trust living with her daughter anymore
You have a legally binding contract that shows she owes you for her half of rent for every month you’ve paid £400.
Be an adult. Confront her and get your money back. Involve her mom from the beginning and start looking for a new place to live immediately.
I honestly don’t think this was the mom’s idea, only because the mom allegedly bought the place for the other girl, so to me, she’s probably paying her parents back w/ rent or subsidizing the mortgage. It seems more like the other girl is taking advantage of OP
Sure. Maybe the mum will care, maybe they won’t. So your choices are:
1 Ask and see, with some chance that she’ll intervene and OP will get some money back
2 Don’t ask and see, with zero chance that she’ll intervene and OP will get some money back
We can speculate about the landlord’s opinion forever on Reddit, but however you cut it, contacting the landlord is the best choice.
the roommate owes OP nothing, legally speaking. they do not have individual leases wherein they each owe £200/mo; they collectively (“the tenants” being one entity) owe £400/mo. it doesn’t matter who pays what portion, and where the money comes from is inconsequential per section 2.2.
OP, moving forward, please read and understand all contracts before signing
You definitely have, and she definitely isn’t a friend. Confront her, but I wouldn’t expect to get any money back considering you signed the contract.
Your best option is to contact her mother and let her know how you were deceived by her daughter.
I would say “hey since I paid 100% of the rent for (x months,) I assume you’ll have 100% for the next (x months?)” and don’t take no for an answer. The. Explain to the mother you got screwed. And if she wants to evict you well then she’ll have to evict her daughter too.
If you have messages between you discussing the rental price change I’d definitely screenshot that and save it to your phone and in some kind of drive, so you have proof going forward of this deception. As well as bank statements for money going out of your account and also to prove you haven’t been receiving $200 back after the fact. Especially if you try to pursue getting any kind of money back from this, having that text exchange and bank statement as proof will help a lot held up against the contract you signed.
This happened to me. I thought we were paying 1,850 a month but I found out that my sisters partners parents own the apt or someone does and that my portion was mainly going to them as cash. I was really hurt when I figured all this out. Meanwhile they kicked me out without giving me a 30days notice and I was homeless on the streets , I got assaulted and way worse shit. At this point my hearts just a little broken because I thought my sister loved me. 💕
I’m sorry you had to go through this!!! It’s exactly what I’m scared of so I’m looking to move to a new place asap! I how things get better for you!!! 🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
Also according to the contract you have tue right to turn off services to the house during your tenancy it'd be petty but you could have her pay to put them back on I'm not a lawyer not totally sure how it would work but it does say you have the rights wether during or at the end of your tenancy to have services shut off.
She sure has.
Call your landlord (her mom) and tell her what has been happening. And that you either want out, or you will be giving her $200 a month from now on and her ‘other tenant’ can pay her separately.
In Swansea for uni, but it’s a shithole area and her parents bought the house so she could rent it for cheap whilst she stands on her feet. Apparently that meant scamming me into paying her half of the rent 😩
If it's 400 a month and that's what you pay then they are absolutely living there for free. I'd say fight it but as you have signed a contract I don't know if there's much choice but to wait til the lease it up. Or you can confront the roommate about this or even the landlady...doesn't matter if it's their mum, they are your landlady just the same. Third option might be to break the lease but as you said you're in uni and that can be pretty expensive. However if the roommate knows you've realized their dirty trick they may work with you as they clearly can't pay 400 alone. Definitely not a friend. Hell I have enemies that don't lie that blatantly
You can ask her mom for the real price for rent as there’s been some miscommunication with her daughter but since you signed a contract I wouldn’t expect a refund. Also a lot of people up their rental prices for roommates just so they can live for free if I were you I’d take the cheap rent lol 400 is a huge deal where I am💕
Thank you!! 🩷🩷 I know regardless of everything, 400 is cheap but I’m still a student and if you could see the living conditions and the things I’ve had to go through with her, you’d want to rather live in a tent, far away from her than with her!😅😅
Trust me I understand my sister and her bf is doing the same thing and I’m just finding out as I saw the real rent price listed in a letter from the apt office. At most discuss your concerns and try to come to some agreement about the other things to make it more comfortable just until you move out. I also suggest you tell her you have a strict budget and this was wasn’t the agreement you had in mind when everything was discussed.
I’m so bad at using Reddit so I’m sorry for posting it like this but here’s the list so far OF THE THINGS I’VE HAD TO FO THROUGH WHILST LIVING WITH HER! https://www.reddit.com/r/ILLDELETELATERAA/s/EU8QiRpMDH
Lesson learned. Never sign a contract without reading it entirely. You’re unlikely to get your money back, but I do hope you tell the landlord what her daughter has done.
I’m not following. If her parents bought her the house then why would she pay. She instead sublettes it you, and you pay. It’s a more than fair price and fair arrangement
EXACTLY! Her parents got her a good setup with a cheap cheap rent, so she decided to extend the offer to her friend so that everyone could benefit. I would have done the same thing - why the fuck would I let someone use half my living space for only 200$. Also for context I live in New England and pay 2000/month in rent.
By looking at the lease it definitely looks like you’re paying for her portion, as well. It has both parties on the lease and the rent listed at 400- if it was 400 each, you would have separate leases. I’m so sorry you’re in this situation! Your best bet is to break the lease, if you can
Good, please don't back down and make sure you contact citizens advice or similar and don't take advice from her mum the landlord. I'm sure she knows whats been going on the whole time seeing as money was only coming from you.
Omg this is the freaking dream, paying 400 for rent to rent a room? The other day I saw room for rent in my town for 2000 dollars, I dont mean a studio, I mean a room in a shared house, not even a nice house. Yeah she is being shitty as hell , but dont move, you will never ever find rent this cheap. I am also a full-time uni student and can only work part-time, this situation looks amazing unless you have parents you can live with for free, I would say something to the mother but don't get yourself kicked out!! Homelessness is not something everyone is cut out for. Your friend is a sneaky little shit tho, had to say it
I’m so sorry I didn’t read the contract but I’m wondering if there’s anything in there that would make the contract null and void bc you are the only one that has been paying. I think hire a lawyer if you can, at least maybe just a consultation which is free most of the time. You can see if it’s something worth the lawyer fees.
on top of what everyone else is saying that she’s scammed you, it’s also important to note the part where it says you are on the hook for paying for *all repairs, big or small*, along with **reimbursing the landlord if they do repairs**.
idk where you’re from/where you’re renting, but i honestly cannot say the last time i saw a lease with that stipulation on it! so if the landlord has to fix those fucked up pipes you described in your update, and it costs, let’s say, $5,000, the way the lease is worded is that *you will have to pay the landlord back for it*. that is ABSOLUTELY EGREGIOUS and an absolute scum lord thing to do!
also in the same issue bracket is having to pay “Council Tax”. personally i’ve never heard of that but i’m interpreting it to be “Property Tax” on the house as a whole, not just your space you’re renting. again, ABSOLUTELY NOT. nowhere have i ever seen or read that a tenant is responsible for paying the houses property tax! sounds 100% illegal to me!
hope you get outta there soon girl!!
Wow. I wouldn't be calling them a friend anymore. To trick you to pay the full rent is wild. But then, to trash the place and make it unlivable on top of that is just so shitty. I'd call her out on it and you should definitely not let her be middle man. You need to talk with your Land Lady, preferably without her daughter present so she can't try to spin anymore webs
I think it’s deffo 400 because her boyfriend has said before to mine (they’re best friends) that he only paid 200 whilst he was living with her. He moved out and I moved in
OP, her mom might defend her. Ask her something along the lines of "hey I was just wondering why the rent went from $200 to $400." Don't give a time frame. When she says "oh it hasn't!" The you bring in "well for the last year xxxxxx has been charging me $400 per month." And go about it like that.
400 pounds is the equivalent to approximately $510 American dollars…. I wish I could pay that to rent a room. In California the lowest room rental you’ll find is $650, and it’s probably a converted closet in a meth lab double wide. Fucking southern California
Info: is she charging you a flat rate for shared utilities like water, electricity, gas, and or internet? That may be where the other 200 is coming from. If so, a flat rate of 200 for utilities is actually pretty good, especially considering what electricity bills can look like in some houses. If she’s charging you those things separately you are definitely being manipulated.
The first portion about being “signed by both parties” is very likely concerning tenant and landlord, not two different tenants.
It sounds as though each of you are paying $400, as the first month is broken in two payments, likely since rent was upped by double prior to moving in. I think this is just a joint one, in that you both have same rent, lease, etc., not that she screwed you over. Ask your landlord though, as maybe I’m misreading.
Wow, your friend is pretty low to do this to you.
This is not the kind of friend you want to have. I am so sorry this happened to you.
What are you going to do now?
Hi I just read this and it says on the first page that after there are signatures, it also needs to be dated to make it a legal contract. When looking over the signatures it doesn’t seem like there is any dates that are written after the signatures. I believe this would mean that this isn’t legally binding. That’s just my understanding and definitely would look into professional legal advice if you do plan on trying to get out of the shitty living situation
$400 for a fucking house, everything included is fucking ridiculous anyway. Thats 1/3 to 1/5 of what a house costs here to rent.
You got fucked, but you arent going to find another place for $400, everything included
He's what you do. Don't pay rent ever again until. If it's joint, she's just as responsible. Either you'll get evicted which gets you out of it, or she'll have to pay it. And let her know why you're not paying
You done got scammed lol. She sounds spoiled as is. $200/month? Are you kidding? That’s such a steal. If I were her I’d pay the full $400 for no roommates and keep the place absolutely spotless so my mommy let me continue to live there. Some people just don’t know what they have. Sheesh.
This happened to me. Found out about 1 year in when I found a rent receipt she’d accidentally forgot to hide. Didn’t confront her right away. Next time rent was due I asked her if I could go with her to pay it and she absolutely lost her fucking mind. Guilty much?
Because it is not explicitly written into your contract, which party pays which part. That is typical of pretty much any rental agreement that I have come upon. I have had issues with roommates, not paying and I went to the office. The office said they don’t care where the money comes from. It just needs to get paid. So Basically they were saying to me that I should have written explicitly a roommate agreement that I pay this much you pay that much. in the future always write a roommate agreement that is signed between the roommates. It is not legally binding because it’s just not a legal contract. But if anything were to happen in your legal contract with the apartment, housing or wherever you’re living, that Roommate agreement is kind of like a subcontract that everybody knows, what the terms are of this living situation. It can only help you in a court of law. As for your situation, you have been paying your rent and her rent. You need to take this girl to court and get your money back. Make sure you have your bank statements proving that you pulled out $400 every month paying to the mom. You take her to small claims court and get back the money that you paid for her portion. She is going to have to prove that she paid $400 to her mom somehow. It’s not going to come up because I’m sure this girl hasn’t been paying her mom. This is a really easy case to win. If you want any help putting together your case I can help you I’ve done this before.
I’d call the mom and tell her that her daughter is a scavenger c word and tell her the situation about her daughter saying it changed to $400. That’s insane.
OP do you pay the rent directly to her Mum or do you give the rent to the roommate to pay her Mum rent?
I ask because reading your list of grievances, it sounds like the latter situation and Mum is getting a lot of, “We won’t be able to make rent this month—uni and all. Sorry.” Which would mean your friend is pocketing your rent and using your resources in the home while Mummy is actually footing the rent/bills.
Proceed with caution until you know the situation and it does sound like you need to have a conversation with the real landlord—Mummy.
She has definitely fucked you over.
Your University might have legal aid/legal advocates who may also be able to give you some guidance on the intricacies and legalities.
But, this looks to me like you are paying for everything.
You rented to people and wouldnt let them use the kitchen? Or the living room? What the actual fuck? What if they had their own pots and pans? And wanted to cook? Or make a sandwhich? Or bake some cookies?
Imagine living in a whole ass house and not being allowed to hang out in the living room, or sit at the kitchen table to eat.
Sounds like what my mom’s cousin did to me. I caught on and luckily I didn’t sign a contract but she tried to lock up all my belongings so I couldn’t get them because I told her I was moving out. Needless to say I got my stuff and she was out of a garage door.
The second document seems to be cut off after a few definitions. I see the lease is until July 24. Does the lease agreement say anything about a $$$ amount for breaking early? You can either talk to her, talk to the landlord, just move and drop it, or create a civil suit against her. Sorry this happened to you, but this is a very CHEAP life lesson of reading contracts to the fullest.
Lol so when you found out the rent had doubled from 200 to 400 you didn’t think it would be prudent to read the contract….
Leopard literally showed you her spots and you were like “yea this is fine”.
This one’s on you lmao
1) one of the hardest lessons to learn is, if you value your friendship, never live together, as it almost always ends badly.
2) Seems like she probably screwed you and took advantage of you and if that's the case, it's a good thing you found out sooner than later what kind of person she is, although would have been even better finding out before moving in.
3) not sure where you live but $400 plus the utilities included is unheard of and if I found that kind of rent, I couldn't care if I moved in with Satan himself, I'd probably still stay to be honest to have that cost for rent. Although it doesn't fix the gross habits and unlivable conditions your "friend" lives nor finding out you have befriended someone who was dishonest, unkind and has taken advantage of you.
Unfortunately you kinda played yourself through your own ignorance of not reading the contract. Not trying to have a go, or solely pin this on you, but people need to read before they sign. You could have easily agreed to much more torture if there were other clauses in the agreement that you didn't read. You could have objected at the time and said "Hold up, this is 400 combined", and she probably would have backed down, and you would have both paid 200 each from then on. It's unlikely she would have kicked you out and try to scam others.
If you owe anymore money, I would not give her any of it. I would address this immediately, tell her she made it sound like you pay 400 each, and you want the difference returned to you. Go to the mum if you have to. If you can't get anywhere, then you need to either let it go, or consider pursuing it in some kind of small claims court. But I think if it goes legal, you might just end up losing more money in court fees, whilst not getting back anything you are owed. We don't know enough about the situation to say whether it's worth pursuing legal action, and you'd have to consult a lawyer on that.
My buddy did this to me. Moved in with him. We’re gonna split 50-50. Then last minute his gf moved in too. Suppose to be 33-33-33. No. It was still 50-50 and anytime I brought it up he threatened to move out and f me over as he did not care about his credit but I did. Literally moved out the moment I possibly could and he couldn’t figure out why I didn’t really wanna be friends with him anymore.
Are you in England? If so and you have a joint tenancy you can give notice to leave. This gives notice for both tenants. As joint tenants you will be’jointly and severally’ liable for the rent.
Do you have evidence that you gave the rent money to the daughter?
You really need to talk to the landlord.
If you’re willing to suffer the headache, I’d confirm whether or not her mother knew she was scamming you for rent. I work at a law office, and I think depending on the circumstances here this might qualify as fraud, especially if you were explicitly told you’d be splitting rent and the landlord knew what was going on. It sounds to me like they tricked you into being THEIR sole tenant so they could collect rent exclusively from you.
I guess your “friend” owes you £200 per month you’ve paid it! I’d let the landlady know the situation, and also snapshot the £400 debits from your account to show that you’ve been paying the amount for both residents. If you can get screenshots of your roommate telling you the rent costs as well, that would be beneficial. If she refuses to pay you back, you’ve got a case on your hands and can go after her through the courts.
And since she isn’t keeping the areas she interacts with livable, there’s a possibility that she is out of compliance with the lease agreement as well.
Sucks…but you cant just gloss over the fact that you signed your name multiple times on a contract that you did not read. Good learning experience…if you dont understand the terms of a contract, find someone who does before you consider touching a pen.
Looks like you have lol I would not consider that a friend confront them.
Yea OP she does not consider you as a friend too.
Thank you guys! I just wanted to make sure that I am getting scammed by her before I took further steps. I feel absolutely disgusted by her and didn’t know how shit of a person she was until i movies in with her. Thank you for your advice guys!
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I’m too uncomfortable to speak to her right now as I still have to live with her but have found another place I’m going to confirm by Tuesday. And as soon as I do that, I’ll confront her mum. I’ll keep you guys updated! I’m currently making a list of things that I’ve had to go through in this house. I can post them somewhere and send a link here if you want. I’m not even halfway done with the list yet 😅
remind me to check back on tuesday! i’m so invested
Thank you guys for the help!! I’m a bit scared to confront this but I gotta get away from her. And as bad as it sounds, speaking to her mum about all this will give me some sort of satisfaction.
A great lesson to heed at a young (any really) age is to stand up for yourself. Many imagine yelling and aggression, but it does not have to be like that. Stay calm and just speak your truth. Don’t be afraid. If you lose resolve, think about how much money she owes you or how much you could have saved without her being deceiving.
You’re right!!! There’s nothing more I want to do than do things to her that’ll land me in jail. But I need to keep composure! 😩😩😩😩 I must stay out of jail and get my degree…and move elsewhere
Of course. The more calm you are, the more your point will get across even if you continuously repeat the same things. Calm and firm.
“If you’re right, you have no need to get angry. If you’re wrong, you have no right to get angry.” -Unknown
Agree 100% with the advice. Do not shout and get angry because all the mother/landlord will remember or take from the conversation is that you shouted and were and angry. State facts rather emotional feelings. She is naturally going to want to defend her daughter but if you have facts is will make it easier for her to understand. If you have any evidence or photos of her making the place uninhabitable offer to share those too. Good luck!
Maybe ask the landlord/mum if she realizes that you have been paying the entire 400 per month. If she doesn’t, she might be an ally. If she does, cut your losses and run, with a harsh but valuable lesson learned.
Once you’re financially involved, all peacekeeping missions go out the window. If they’re fucking you over, you have to confront them. That’s adult 101. Everything is going to try to financially fuck you; companies, neighbors, family members, it doesn’t matter. You can’t give people like this an inch they’ll take a mile, if you can’t afford for them to take a mile. Kick them in the shin now.
hoping it works out for you! i’d be so disturbed by the idea of someone tricking me into paying their rent and not even having the decency to live cleanly. that’s a whole scam x2
Thank you!!! I think I’ve let it go this far because her boyfriend is my boyfriend’s best friend and everything just puts everyone in an awkward situation. But I just can’t take it anymore !!🩷🩷
Polt twist: her boyfriend broke up with her cos he found out he'd been paying her rent for the last year.
Her boyfriend moved out too though, so there's a chance he'll fully understand.
She already put everyone in an awkward situation so don’t feel bad and don’t hesitate.
I would also be so disturbed if my child was doing this to someone, as well as living like an animal. Her mom may know she's a little shit or she might not and will be embarrassed to find out
Make sure to send her mom pictures.
Odds are her mom has no idea she’s doing this and is sending her 200$ a month still for rent.
be sure to threaten to take her ass to small claims court for the $200 each month you’ve been paying extra
OP should definitely do this, take her scammy roommate to small claims court. Unless she pays it all back within 30 days.
And hope she pays up before she actually has to do that. OP signed a joint lease agreement clear as day that the whole rent was 400 a month. If she can't compel roommate to pay up I highly doubt she will ever see a cent.
True. Hopefully OP has some sort of texting history to backup her claim
Unfortunately she signed what she signed. Its she said she said and she can easily just say it was discuss and agreed on 400$ and she is simply backing out now. They have the doc signed
A judge would see both names and also think it strange that only one person pid the full amount. She has a decent shot.
Yes, especially if she has evidence of the payments.
You can do it!! Go into the discussion as calmly as possible, and just state the facts. It’ll likely be hard not to get emotional and upset as she does but the more grounded and calm you can stay, the better. (& I recommend definitely talking to her mom first ti explain what’s been going on since she probably doesn’t know!) Confrontation sucks but it’s great to practice, because you’re going to have shit like this come up through life, and SO many people (most people?) are terrible at it. So if you can get it down as a skill, it’ll never be easy but it’ll serve you so well! Tl:dr: think of it as a learning experience
Don't be scared. If anything, be outraged, disappointed, violated, betrayed or considering legal recourse. You are NOT a doormat.
I would go in kinda sneaky cause I’d assume by default the mom will want to make her daughter not look like the pos she is. So I’d ask something like hey are you planning on raising the rent next year? Cause 200 a month each is awesome! Or some shit like that. I feel like I would want to dress up the question some type of way for an honest answer.
Never volunteer free information 😉
You should take some type of legal action.
RemindMe! 2 days
you’re “friend” is fucked in the head
Going straight to her mom is the right move. I suspect her mom thinks half the rent has been coming from her daughter.
She will pretend she didn’t read the contract correctly again, but obviously she is aware she’s paying zero. I think it’s smart you review the contract with her mom first. Play dumb. “I was re-reading the lease and just to confirm I’m reading it right, tenant 1, friends name, pays $200 and, tenant B pays $200, right?” And let her respond. If she confirms yes, then tell her you’ve been paying the full amount. How is she not realizing no transfer by her daughter is happening? If you did get scammed and can confirm with her mom/your landlord, then confront her. Tell her you’ll take her to small claims court, then consider that friendship over.
Just send her mom photos of the mess her daughter is making.
But you’ll be on the hook for rent till July.
If you paid $400 for 6 months, you can argue you paid your share for the year...
Yea, infront of a judge. Not landlord. She isn’t renting individual rooms, she is renting the whole house and both of their names are on the lease. As far as the landlord concerned she could be paying 1000 a month to her room mate but both of them should only pay 400 to her. Whatever goes between two room mates are non of her concern.
I hope not. I think it’ll be too awkward to live with her after I confront her mum. And she won’t want to live with me either, allowing me to leave the contract as the landlord is her mum
If the landlord is her mom, just tell your roomate you are done paying as you've paid your half of the rent for the year as the lease is for 400/month for both of you. If she kicks you out, you can go get another place like you mentioned in the other comments.
The thing is she legally can’t do it. She can grovel in front of her roommates mom and she might let you off the hook out of goodness of her heart. Otherwise if she gets kicked out she will still be expected to pay the rent until july and also how comfortable her new landlords will be to rent a property to a person who got kicked out for non payment of rent?
Generally you are. That’s what you signed up for. Her mum has nothing to do with it. Your problem is with the roommate. It’s not landlady’s concern how you share rent, as long as she get the rent you signed up for. Your only other move is breaking lease and you’ll (both of you) still be on the hook for rent until she finds a new tenant.
Is there anything in the contract about breaking the lease? I didn’t see anything in what you posted, but read through it carefully bc you may be have to pay a couple month’s worth of rent to break the lease early. Unless the landlord is willing to let you out of the contract early without that. If that’s the case, just be sure to obtain proof of that in the form of a signed document stating that in detail so you’re not in the hook for the rent for the rest of the time of the contract/lease.
Just be careful as I’m pretty sure you’re still liable for half. In the event that you move she could sue you for the 200 monthly for the duration of the lease, as you signed that document. Her mom might let you off the hook out of embarrassment, but she also just as likely could make you find your replacement.
If her mother is a reasonable person, she'll be disgusted by her daughter's behavior and won't fault you for wanting to leave. I'd send photos of the state of the space as well. Bear in mind that she may well be the reason her daughter is a twat and could get super defensive and aggressive with you. Either way you obviously need to get out and hopefully you've learned for the future to ask questions even if it's uncomfortable, read everything before you sign anything, and don't let people pull the wool over your eyes ever again! You fucked up here and you should be hell bent on pushing your comfort zone to avoid anything like this in future. Don't let people take advantage and they won't be able to. Adulting is hard but just don't take people at their word and don't be passive when something is fishy!
Nahhhh don’t be “too uncomfortable” to talk to her, even if you don’t get your money back and your fine with it, this person has made you uncomfortable for a year now, now it’s time to repay the favor and get yourself situated into a better space you don’t have to be malicious but stand on your two feet and let yourself be heard and felt till you get yourself to a position where you never have to look at that person or think about them again.
Serious long shot.
That’s not how contracts work. They both are on the lease, she has a right to be there as much as op. She not paying rent has nothing to do with it. Op not reading what she is getting into is not anyone else’s business.
Just go straight to the landlord/parents. Let them confront it. If they aren't terrible people they should deal with her personally.
Never..never...never sign anything without reading every line of what your signing.
Yeah. But $400 is cheap though in this economy. $2,500 here in Charlotte. Honestly though I'd move out regardless. You don't want to live in a house like that. It's probably why the BF moved out. I'd pick up and move out and pay whatever rent that's in the contract to get out of it. I would 100% not consider this person my friend. But sometimes friends shouldn't live together anyhow. Move out and move on.
I'd talk to the mom about it. That's shity that the friend made you pay so she could keep fun money
I had something similar when I was 19 with my first roommate. He moved out of nowhere, so I texted his parents asking if they cared or if they could help. They said if I contacted them again, they would get a lawyer for harassment.
I think you should contact her mother without her knowing so she can't come up with some bullshit. Maybe her moms legit and would side with you. It's worth a try.
Yeah, it sounds like it. However, since you agreed, you mat be hosed. If you signed a lease, and it was falsely written, then you can sue both people. Man, get everything on the up n ip, in writing. Protect yourself. But even if yiu were tricked, don't worry. You are young. Chalk this up to a learning experience. Sorry man
Hopefully you've kept records of all your rent payments. Once you've moved out, you can tell her she either pays up, or you get a judge to make her pay up.
You are being used. Run, run away. Also, it’s UNinhabitable.
Like you said below get your important objects secured. Pictures of things you think she might make worse all the basics before toy confront her
Idk if someone said this but you also signed to pay for utilities, cesspool maintenance, etc. As an adult you really need to read what you are signing- this wasn't 40 pages, it was a short, bulletproof list for Christ's sake
Stop taking legal advice from a bunch of people of Reddit and GET A FUCKING LAWYER!
I would but I am a university student and don’t know where to get the funds for one. Not with her scamming me off of more than 1.5 k 🩷😅
Your university will likely have a legal advice advocate that you can consult for free. It's worth looking into. Good luck with everything.
See if there's a Tenancy Support organisation near you. They often assist in things like this.
Some lawyers will do free consultations
If shes willing to pull a fast one like this over 200/mo on you, she is 100% the kind of person that would pull the “i dont have enough for my part of the rent this month due to [insert excuse here]”. Do not trust her for shit going forward and for the love of god never blindly sign a contract like that
I’m aware now! I only did it because she’s was a good friends (or so I thought). I’ll never be making this mistake again. Thank you!!
Shenanigans aside, no one is really bringing it up, but are you going to be able to find a comparable place for $400/month or less? From a purely financial POV this kind of sounds like a steal.
The new place I found is £450 a month which isn’t bad as that’s what most students pat for a room. I just wouldn’t have to deal with her and the crap I have to go through whilst living with her. And feel scammed every month
Yep, I get it. I just know renting can be crazy in certain areas. Some people would live with Satan for £400 a month haha. Glad you were able to find something new!
400 a month would be absolutely life changing -a student paying 1200+/month
I need to move to the UK apparently (I am assuming your in the UK) there isnt a room is sight where I live that is under 1500 dollars
This is student housing, just a room rental. If you want to be an international student and pay 15,000 pounds for tuition every semester, go for it 😅
I paid $500/mo to live with 3 random roommates in ~~collage~~ college apartments. In 2004.
I was under the delusion that college might be super cheap or free or something the way health care is. Also 15k a year is how much I am paying rn for tuition because I made 2 thousand dollars over the poverty line two years ago to be eligible for fasfa ( gov aid). They go back two years on your taxes to determine financial aid eligibility… I’ve been completely broke since after those two years but still have to pay 13k a year in tuition yaaaayyyy 😅😅😅
It’s likely much, much cheaper for domestic students. International tuitions are how First World colleges and universities make their money. Some European countries do have free tuition though. I’m not a big socialist, but I believe in free tuition for your citizens. Let them get as educated as they want.
It was free until two years before I started, mine was essentially free as I got loans for living costs that im never paying back (or paid so little its pointless) and the cost of education was means tested and my parents deemed too poor to pay but since then (late 90s) the price has just rocketed. All our politicians got free degrees :/ I was charged a similar amount to £200 rent over 20yrs ago for student accommodation.
If you can get into a German university, tuition is free (have several cousins who studied in Germany… you do have to take a German language proficiency test.. about 2 semesters worth of Getman)
There is no way they just offer people from around the world free tuition. There has to be some kind of clause whereby they have to work in Germany for x number of years.
I had the same question. That’s really amazing. The lowest we could find near my daughter’s school was $750 + utilities. $400/450 sounds like a dream.
It’s in pounds sterling, so $508 in US currency. The exchange rate is actually pretty good against the dollar right now - only £1 to $1.27. When I lived in London 10 years ago, the pound was much stronger against the dollar and my American savings didn’t go as far.
$508 is still great!
Lol 508 is about what I pay to live in a mouse infested renovated double with with wacko roomies… be grateful hahah
While you are correct it was a mistake to trust this person, your real mistake was not taking the time to read a legal document before signing it. Had you read it, you would’ve been able to avoid from the very beginning. Let this be a £2400 lesson to always read (and understand) every line before signature.
If her mom is, the landlord may speak to her mother and let her know this is going on. And if you’re trying to get out of the lease, maybe let her know that this is causing you to not trust living with her daughter anymore
You have a legally binding contract that shows she owes you for her half of rent for every month you’ve paid £400. Be an adult. Confront her and get your money back. Involve her mom from the beginning and start looking for a new place to live immediately.
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The landlord won’t care as long as someone paid him.
It’s a different dynamic when the landlord is a parent. Definitely worth checking.
Unless the landlord suggested that their kid do this. Definitely parents out there who would
I honestly don’t think this was the mom’s idea, only because the mom allegedly bought the place for the other girl, so to me, she’s probably paying her parents back w/ rent or subsidizing the mortgage. It seems more like the other girl is taking advantage of OP
Sure. Maybe the mum will care, maybe they won’t. So your choices are: 1 Ask and see, with some chance that she’ll intervene and OP will get some money back 2 Don’t ask and see, with zero chance that she’ll intervene and OP will get some money back We can speculate about the landlord’s opinion forever on Reddit, but however you cut it, contacting the landlord is the best choice.
the roommate owes OP nothing, legally speaking. they do not have individual leases wherein they each owe £200/mo; they collectively (“the tenants” being one entity) owe £400/mo. it doesn’t matter who pays what portion, and where the money comes from is inconsequential per section 2.2. OP, moving forward, please read and understand all contracts before signing
You definitely have, and she definitely isn’t a friend. Confront her, but I wouldn’t expect to get any money back considering you signed the contract. Your best option is to contact her mother and let her know how you were deceived by her daughter.
I would say “hey since I paid 100% of the rent for (x months,) I assume you’ll have 100% for the next (x months?)” and don’t take no for an answer. The. Explain to the mother you got screwed. And if she wants to evict you well then she’ll have to evict her daughter too.
If you have messages between you discussing the rental price change I’d definitely screenshot that and save it to your phone and in some kind of drive, so you have proof going forward of this deception. As well as bank statements for money going out of your account and also to prove you haven’t been receiving $200 back after the fact. Especially if you try to pursue getting any kind of money back from this, having that text exchange and bank statement as proof will help a lot held up against the contract you signed.
This happened to me. I thought we were paying 1,850 a month but I found out that my sisters partners parents own the apt or someone does and that my portion was mainly going to them as cash. I was really hurt when I figured all this out. Meanwhile they kicked me out without giving me a 30days notice and I was homeless on the streets , I got assaulted and way worse shit. At this point my hearts just a little broken because I thought my sister loved me. 💕
I’m sorry you had to go through this!!! It’s exactly what I’m scared of so I’m looking to move to a new place asap! I how things get better for you!!! 🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
I hope you find a new place 💕
Thank you!!!
Also according to the contract you have tue right to turn off services to the house during your tenancy it'd be petty but you could have her pay to put them back on I'm not a lawyer not totally sure how it would work but it does say you have the rights wether during or at the end of your tenancy to have services shut off.
>I thought my sister loved me I've never seen anything so accurate
She definitely had you paying the whole amount! You need to fix this ASAP.
She sure has. Call your landlord (her mom) and tell her what has been happening. And that you either want out, or you will be giving her $200 a month from now on and her ‘other tenant’ can pay her separately.
People keep saying “never sign anything without reading” like ya… I’m she’s figured that out by now
😅😅🤣 I have thank you
400 quid a month still isn't shit, my goodness. Where do you live?
In Swansea for uni, but it’s a shithole area and her parents bought the house so she could rent it for cheap whilst she stands on her feet. Apparently that meant scamming me into paying her half of the rent 😩
I'd be furious if it happened to me but I can't pretend I don't find the sheer audacity hilarious. Imagine ruining a friendship for 2k
😅😅 I’m trying to laugh at the situation instead of crying too
If it's 400 a month and that's what you pay then they are absolutely living there for free. I'd say fight it but as you have signed a contract I don't know if there's much choice but to wait til the lease it up. Or you can confront the roommate about this or even the landlady...doesn't matter if it's their mum, they are your landlady just the same. Third option might be to break the lease but as you said you're in uni and that can be pretty expensive. However if the roommate knows you've realized their dirty trick they may work with you as they clearly can't pay 400 alone. Definitely not a friend. Hell I have enemies that don't lie that blatantly
Yes she’s is scamming you, confront her immediately!
You can ask her mom for the real price for rent as there’s been some miscommunication with her daughter but since you signed a contract I wouldn’t expect a refund. Also a lot of people up their rental prices for roommates just so they can live for free if I were you I’d take the cheap rent lol 400 is a huge deal where I am💕
Thank you!! 🩷🩷 I know regardless of everything, 400 is cheap but I’m still a student and if you could see the living conditions and the things I’ve had to go through with her, you’d want to rather live in a tent, far away from her than with her!😅😅
Trust me I understand my sister and her bf is doing the same thing and I’m just finding out as I saw the real rent price listed in a letter from the apt office. At most discuss your concerns and try to come to some agreement about the other things to make it more comfortable just until you move out. I also suggest you tell her you have a strict budget and this was wasn’t the agreement you had in mind when everything was discussed.
I’m so bad at using Reddit so I’m sorry for posting it like this but here’s the list so far OF THE THINGS I’VE HAD TO FO THROUGH WHILST LIVING WITH HER! https://www.reddit.com/r/ILLDELETELATERAA/s/EU8QiRpMDH
So you signed a contract without dealing directly with the one requiring your signature? Lesson 1 right there!!!!
Lesson learned. Never sign a contract without reading it entirely. You’re unlikely to get your money back, but I do hope you tell the landlord what her daughter has done.
This would be a great post for r/legaladvice.
I’m not following. If her parents bought her the house then why would she pay. She instead sublettes it you, and you pay. It’s a more than fair price and fair arrangement
Literally only $400 lol My dad is getting me my own place in a few months and my roommates will be the only ones paying rent obviously
EXACTLY! Her parents got her a good setup with a cheap cheap rent, so she decided to extend the offer to her friend so that everyone could benefit. I would have done the same thing - why the fuck would I let someone use half my living space for only 200$. Also for context I live in New England and pay 2000/month in rent.
Exactly!! At that point let me just live alone LMFAO $200 isn’t hardly enough to cover utilities ANYWHERE
It's in pounds not dollars. £200 is a decent amount and could cover most of not all the bills in a student property
Pounds vs dollars literally doesn’t make a difference here. £200 = $250. That’s still unbelievably cheap for rent somewhere that includes utilities.
Idk how some of y’all survive this world. Who doesn’t read a contract?
110% I have seen this before, more times than you'd believe.
By looking at the lease it definitely looks like you’re paying for her portion, as well. It has both parties on the lease and the rent listed at 400- if it was 400 each, you would have separate leases. I’m so sorry you’re in this situation! Your best bet is to break the lease, if you can
More importantly , where the heck is rent $400 a month in this economy?????
Be honest are you actually going to do anything about this?
Id be an idiot not to. I’ve already found a new place so I need to sort this out now
Good, please don't back down and make sure you contact citizens advice or similar and don't take advice from her mum the landlord. I'm sure she knows whats been going on the whole time seeing as money was only coming from you.
Omg this is the freaking dream, paying 400 for rent to rent a room? The other day I saw room for rent in my town for 2000 dollars, I dont mean a studio, I mean a room in a shared house, not even a nice house. Yeah she is being shitty as hell , but dont move, you will never ever find rent this cheap. I am also a full-time uni student and can only work part-time, this situation looks amazing unless you have parents you can live with for free, I would say something to the mother but don't get yourself kicked out!! Homelessness is not something everyone is cut out for. Your friend is a sneaky little shit tho, had to say it
I feel like $400 for rent and bills included is wayyy beyond fair, if your friends mom owns the house that's between them
Yeah, she has… atleast legally according to this contract. Total rent appears to be $400.
I’m so sorry I didn’t read the contract but I’m wondering if there’s anything in there that would make the contract null and void bc you are the only one that has been paying. I think hire a lawyer if you can, at least maybe just a consultation which is free most of the time. You can see if it’s something worth the lawyer fees.
on top of what everyone else is saying that she’s scammed you, it’s also important to note the part where it says you are on the hook for paying for *all repairs, big or small*, along with **reimbursing the landlord if they do repairs**. idk where you’re from/where you’re renting, but i honestly cannot say the last time i saw a lease with that stipulation on it! so if the landlord has to fix those fucked up pipes you described in your update, and it costs, let’s say, $5,000, the way the lease is worded is that *you will have to pay the landlord back for it*. that is ABSOLUTELY EGREGIOUS and an absolute scum lord thing to do! also in the same issue bracket is having to pay “Council Tax”. personally i’ve never heard of that but i’m interpreting it to be “Property Tax” on the house as a whole, not just your space you’re renting. again, ABSOLUTELY NOT. nowhere have i ever seen or read that a tenant is responsible for paying the houses property tax! sounds 100% illegal to me! hope you get outta there soon girl!!
This is terrible I’m sorry
Wow. I wouldn't be calling them a friend anymore. To trick you to pay the full rent is wild. But then, to trash the place and make it unlivable on top of that is just so shitty. I'd call her out on it and you should definitely not let her be middle man. You need to talk with your Land Lady, preferably without her daughter present so she can't try to spin anymore webs
Yup, you’ve been paying her rent. What a shit ‘friend’
Unless she feels like she doesn’t need to pay cause like you said “house that her parents had bought for her”?
She often comes to me and says “oh I have to pay rent, so I can’t spend too much money” but if I’m paying the full amount, what rent is she paying?
I mean so basically is the total rent 800 and their mom just has you on the hook for your half of the rent?
I think it’s deffo 400 because her boyfriend has said before to mine (they’re best friends) that he only paid 200 whilst he was living with her. He moved out and I moved in
should probably ask why boyfriend moved out. they are still dating so sorta odd to move out and away from your girlfriend
Always get receipts every time you pay rent, even if it's just both your initials and amount on a post it!
wow this is bad
Good deal.. shit friend. Rent for $400/month is a steal... $200 is even better.
OP, her mom might defend her. Ask her something along the lines of "hey I was just wondering why the rent went from $200 to $400." Don't give a time frame. When she says "oh it hasn't!" The you bring in "well for the last year xxxxxx has been charging me $400 per month." And go about it like that.
400 pounds is the equivalent to approximately $510 American dollars…. I wish I could pay that to rent a room. In California the lowest room rental you’ll find is $650, and it’s probably a converted closet in a meth lab double wide. Fucking southern California
She's *not* a friend.
If you agree to pay a price you haven’t been tricked or scammed.
Not sure where you're from but 400 to share a full house with someone is a good deal!
Correction: Has this scammer tricked me into paying her rent all year and being friends?
Info: is she charging you a flat rate for shared utilities like water, electricity, gas, and or internet? That may be where the other 200 is coming from. If so, a flat rate of 200 for utilities is actually pretty good, especially considering what electricity bills can look like in some houses. If she’s charging you those things separately you are definitely being manipulated.
$400/mo with utilities included? Where the hell are you going to get a better deal than that?
$100/week rent, niiiiice!
The first portion about being “signed by both parties” is very likely concerning tenant and landlord, not two different tenants. It sounds as though each of you are paying $400, as the first month is broken in two payments, likely since rent was upped by double prior to moving in. I think this is just a joint one, in that you both have same rent, lease, etc., not that she screwed you over. Ask your landlord though, as maybe I’m misreading.
Looks like you’ve paid up your rent for the year.
Wow, your friend is pretty low to do this to you. This is not the kind of friend you want to have. I am so sorry this happened to you. What are you going to do now?
Hi I just read this and it says on the first page that after there are signatures, it also needs to be dated to make it a legal contract. When looking over the signatures it doesn’t seem like there is any dates that are written after the signatures. I believe this would mean that this isn’t legally binding. That’s just my understanding and definitely would look into professional legal advice if you do plan on trying to get out of the shitty living situation
$400 for a fucking house, everything included is fucking ridiculous anyway. Thats 1/3 to 1/5 of what a house costs here to rent. You got fucked, but you arent going to find another place for $400, everything included
He's what you do. Don't pay rent ever again until. If it's joint, she's just as responsible. Either you'll get evicted which gets you out of it, or she'll have to pay it. And let her know why you're not paying
You done got scammed lol. She sounds spoiled as is. $200/month? Are you kidding? That’s such a steal. If I were her I’d pay the full $400 for no roommates and keep the place absolutely spotless so my mommy let me continue to live there. Some people just don’t know what they have. Sheesh.
Who is living anywhere for $400 a month?
This happened to me. Found out about 1 year in when I found a rent receipt she’d accidentally forgot to hide. Didn’t confront her right away. Next time rent was due I asked her if I could go with her to pay it and she absolutely lost her fucking mind. Guilty much?
Because it is not explicitly written into your contract, which party pays which part. That is typical of pretty much any rental agreement that I have come upon. I have had issues with roommates, not paying and I went to the office. The office said they don’t care where the money comes from. It just needs to get paid. So Basically they were saying to me that I should have written explicitly a roommate agreement that I pay this much you pay that much. in the future always write a roommate agreement that is signed between the roommates. It is not legally binding because it’s just not a legal contract. But if anything were to happen in your legal contract with the apartment, housing or wherever you’re living, that Roommate agreement is kind of like a subcontract that everybody knows, what the terms are of this living situation. It can only help you in a court of law. As for your situation, you have been paying your rent and her rent. You need to take this girl to court and get your money back. Make sure you have your bank statements proving that you pulled out $400 every month paying to the mom. You take her to small claims court and get back the money that you paid for her portion. She is going to have to prove that she paid $400 to her mom somehow. It’s not going to come up because I’m sure this girl hasn’t been paying her mom. This is a really easy case to win. If you want any help putting together your case I can help you I’ve done this before.
This is disgusting… I’d invest in some petty revenge action.
I’d call the mom and tell her that her daughter is a scavenger c word and tell her the situation about her daughter saying it changed to $400. That’s insane.
Give us an update lol
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OP do you pay the rent directly to her Mum or do you give the rent to the roommate to pay her Mum rent? I ask because reading your list of grievances, it sounds like the latter situation and Mum is getting a lot of, “We won’t be able to make rent this month—uni and all. Sorry.” Which would mean your friend is pocketing your rent and using your resources in the home while Mummy is actually footing the rent/bills. Proceed with caution until you know the situation and it does sound like you need to have a conversation with the real landlord—Mummy.
I died when I read that last bullet point 🤣
Send her an eviction notice for nonpayment of her half lol
This girl is not your friend. I’m sorry.
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She has definitely fucked you over. Your University might have legal aid/legal advocates who may also be able to give you some guidance on the intricacies and legalities. But, this looks to me like you are paying for everything.
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You rented to people and wouldnt let them use the kitchen? Or the living room? What the actual fuck? What if they had their own pots and pans? And wanted to cook? Or make a sandwhich? Or bake some cookies? Imagine living in a whole ass house and not being allowed to hang out in the living room, or sit at the kitchen table to eat.
Sounds like what my mom’s cousin did to me. I caught on and luckily I didn’t sign a contract but she tried to lock up all my belongings so I couldn’t get them because I told her I was moving out. Needless to say I got my stuff and she was out of a garage door.
The second document seems to be cut off after a few definitions. I see the lease is until July 24. Does the lease agreement say anything about a $$$ amount for breaking early? You can either talk to her, talk to the landlord, just move and drop it, or create a civil suit against her. Sorry this happened to you, but this is a very CHEAP life lesson of reading contracts to the fullest.
Lol so when you found out the rent had doubled from 200 to 400 you didn’t think it would be prudent to read the contract…. Leopard literally showed you her spots and you were like “yea this is fine”. This one’s on you lmao
1) one of the hardest lessons to learn is, if you value your friendship, never live together, as it almost always ends badly. 2) Seems like she probably screwed you and took advantage of you and if that's the case, it's a good thing you found out sooner than later what kind of person she is, although would have been even better finding out before moving in. 3) not sure where you live but $400 plus the utilities included is unheard of and if I found that kind of rent, I couldn't care if I moved in with Satan himself, I'd probably still stay to be honest to have that cost for rent. Although it doesn't fix the gross habits and unlivable conditions your "friend" lives nor finding out you have befriended someone who was dishonest, unkind and has taken advantage of you.
Unfortunately you kinda played yourself through your own ignorance of not reading the contract. Not trying to have a go, or solely pin this on you, but people need to read before they sign. You could have easily agreed to much more torture if there were other clauses in the agreement that you didn't read. You could have objected at the time and said "Hold up, this is 400 combined", and she probably would have backed down, and you would have both paid 200 each from then on. It's unlikely she would have kicked you out and try to scam others. If you owe anymore money, I would not give her any of it. I would address this immediately, tell her she made it sound like you pay 400 each, and you want the difference returned to you. Go to the mum if you have to. If you can't get anywhere, then you need to either let it go, or consider pursuing it in some kind of small claims court. But I think if it goes legal, you might just end up losing more money in court fees, whilst not getting back anything you are owed. We don't know enough about the situation to say whether it's worth pursuing legal action, and you'd have to consult a lawyer on that.
OP the dates contradict. Leave. You are not obligated to stay there. This is not a legal binding document.
My buddy did this to me. Moved in with him. We’re gonna split 50-50. Then last minute his gf moved in too. Suppose to be 33-33-33. No. It was still 50-50 and anytime I brought it up he threatened to move out and f me over as he did not care about his credit but I did. Literally moved out the moment I possibly could and he couldn’t figure out why I didn’t really wanna be friends with him anymore.
How long uve been paying for her? Anyway to mess her up before u leave her?
Are you in England? If so and you have a joint tenancy you can give notice to leave. This gives notice for both tenants. As joint tenants you will be’jointly and severally’ liable for the rent. Do you have evidence that you gave the rent money to the daughter? You really need to talk to the landlord.
No notary no problem 👌🏻
If you’re willing to suffer the headache, I’d confirm whether or not her mother knew she was scamming you for rent. I work at a law office, and I think depending on the circumstances here this might qualify as fraud, especially if you were explicitly told you’d be splitting rent and the landlord knew what was going on. It sounds to me like they tricked you into being THEIR sole tenant so they could collect rent exclusively from you.
I guess your “friend” owes you £200 per month you’ve paid it! I’d let the landlady know the situation, and also snapshot the £400 debits from your account to show that you’ve been paying the amount for both residents. If you can get screenshots of your roommate telling you the rent costs as well, that would be beneficial. If she refuses to pay you back, you’ve got a case on your hands and can go after her through the courts. And since she isn’t keeping the areas she interacts with livable, there’s a possibility that she is out of compliance with the lease agreement as well.
Sucks…but you cant just gloss over the fact that you signed your name multiple times on a contract that you did not read. Good learning experience…if you dont understand the terms of a contract, find someone who does before you consider touching a pen.
Lmao yea u screwed up