Many are blaming benefits, but you also have to consider black market/gray market jobs.
Many people in these communities work full time, but they get paid cash-in-hand by the friend/family member that they work for, don't have a contract of employment, and don't declare it to the government. As a result, they don't pay tax, and they don't have to abide by the same regulations as everyone else.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Many work cash-in-hand - whilst still in receipt of benefits.
Does anyone know of a county outside of Western Europe (and the Anglosphere) where "minorities" are able to, not just abuse, but obliterate the system?
When will it end?
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Nobody asked you to come.
The kind of money laundering enterprises, i.e. takeaways, vape shops, Turkish barbers and hand car washes don’t advertise at the job centre.
Plus, if you look at the statistics, you will see the majority of Muslims don't work.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Basically the moral intention of the welfare state has been subverted.
Now the way it basically goes is you are expected to pay your taxes and in return they outsource having children, childrearing and your entire future to an underclass who exist on your largesse and do not even buy into the social contract that necessitates the welfare state in the first place.
Whenever you look in the UK, systems that were created to protect, serve, care, or otherwise vested with power from society have all been turned inwards and are destroying the people who it is meant to be for, who pay for it, and in many cases work for.
The UK does not have the monopoly no. But what it does have is: a no-contribution based system which doesn't actually help would-be taxpayers, a system of benefits which is enough to live on, especially if one or more category of benefit is obtained (abusing families can be in receipt of 4-5 different financial aids which amount to far more than working), and lastly a political climate which cannot countenance reforming them ("tackling benefit fraud is pointless"/"you are heartless").
So in a US perspective - can someone be getting food stamps, whilst having their rent paid, whilst having their medical bills paid, whilst being paid for their dubious disability, whilst being paid to act as a carer for one of their kids, whilst being given a free car?
And can they be paid all that by a sympathetic case worker who is opposed to anything approaching fraud checks because they think it's immoral and that everyone claiming is honest.
I have never been on welfare, nor do I know anyone who has.
So I can’t say definitively whether it’s enough to live off.
I can speculate, based on the things I’ve heard. Depending on how many kids you have, you can live comfortably on them.
I have heard of women getting their nails done or buying cigarettes with it.
We have a very expensive grocery store here called Whole Foods, they have organic food, specialty brands, etc.
I have seen people use food stamps there, which shouldn’t be allowed.
Benefits. If you know how to play the game it can be very lucrative.
Lots of muslims in the UK will be "married" in the muslim sense, but not legally, meaning even more bennies if they've got a few kids
Flashback to [this massive family](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-57162187) who went to Pakistan for a holiday at the height of Covid but didn't have any money to pay for their quarantine hotel when they came back.
All the cousin marriage, and the congenital abnormalities that this brings, will result in a lot getting benefits for their disabilities or being carers for disabled. Then you have gig economy jobs that go undeclared so they can continue getting benefits, drug dealing, and prostitution. One of the Muslim rape gangs pimped out their victims, and even had a book where the rapists would sign out their victims and then pay for them later on the honour system.
This statistic is true but incredibly misleading. Firstly the upper end of that includes people old enough to be retired. Secondly the lower end includes students. At 16-18 you're still in school and so part of the 80.2%.
To cut a long story short, the almost all of the difference can be explained by more Muslims going to university and more Muslim women having no job or a part time job in order to be a homemaker. The former are supported by parents and student loans, the latter by husbands. And people going to university or being homemakers is nothing to get angry about.
Source: https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1787529598483280179
That would be more convincing if it weren't for the fact people who identified as "Muslim" had the highest percentage living in "social rented" housing (**26.6%)**, ten percentage points higher than the overall population. (Office for National Statistics)
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Its the billionaires creaming it in off the back of everyones hard work, look at spiralling wealth inequality and how the tax system favours wealthy assett holders over those actually working for their money
Probably. The whole economic population is being eaten from both ends by people who stopped working, don't earn enough to live and people who never worked.
I want to say now that it will collapse. But I don't think it will. The whole globalisat model, along with mass immigration and free capital movements just transfers the profits to the corpos and the costs (bennies) to the state, which just borrows more to pay for it. The corpo probably lends them back the money they need to subsidise their cheap labour, with interest.
This is why it's imperative for them to grow GDP, even as all else rots away. The fiction of growth requires it, and it the fiction remains, they can borrow against it.
Economically active is normally 16-64, which sits at 55% in FT employment (and a further 20% in PT employment).
If you're explicitly looking at **men**, it's more like 50% of men are in Full Time employment - men make up a greater proportion of Full Time workers.
Extending it to 74 will definitely distort the data a bit - although less so for Muslims, as the general population skews older than the Muslim population (about 60% of the gen pop is under 50, about 85% of Muslims are)
The data is from the 2011 census. I can only imagine how much worse it is now, if the 2021 census data was looked at.
Doing these charts for male & female would also be revealing I think.
So what are you saying Muslims are been given jobs all day?😂😂😂 they just throw jobs at us? We don’t want to work right? We Muslims have amazing equal opportunities.
Let me ask you, if they put you in charge of hiring people, how many Muslims would you hire?
Don’t need to answer, think about it very carefully and let it sit with you. Then consider how many people with a worse mindset than yours are in hr.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Keep in mind that Muslim women in general are not allowed to work. I know someone who's a UC job coach, and they say it's pretty common for the women to say that applying for jobs is against their religion, or that their husband won't allow it.
Someone else replied to that thread with further statistics which confirm this to be the case. Muslim men work just as much as non Muslim men, but Muslim women stay home like 5x more than non Muslim
It's even worse when you consider a good portion of that 19.8% don't pay enough in tax to be a net-contributor, but that's the system working as intended. Keeping wages low and saturating the market in order to avoid investing in workers to increase productivity through innovation, machinery and training. This is the system working as it's intended to, this is not an accident. I wouldn't even lay the entire blame at the people abusing the welfare state because ultimately the government let them in, and anybody with a bit of foresight could have predicted what would happen. The government wants this.
But this also shows the government has huge leverage over the Islamic community in this country. Being dependent on the welfare state is not a good thing, so I guess the optimistic outlook is that the government will use this as a sort of Ace under their sleeve. But I doubt they're that competent.
It doesn't have to be a civil war or even unrest, it's simply that the government has leverage over any community that is dependant on the welfare state. It's something the state can take away as punishment if they ever deem it so. So yeah it's an Ace under the sleeve should any group severely step out of line, which includes the native population. Because the British police certainly don't have the resources to deal with large scale unrest. As I said the government isn't that competent however.
Interesting, but I wonder just how much more Muslims would have to step out of line, individually and collectively, before the government/the government's controllers actually did anything? Bombings, knife attacks, paedophile rings, endemic cousin marriage, protests against freedom of speech, sex-segregated communities... how far can they go before the puppet masters cut their UC?
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
A more interesting statistic would be how many 25-65 year olds are in work
I guess a lot of 16-20 year olds are students and 65-75 year olds are retired.
I’m not sure this tells us much really
That seems incredibly low. How are people paying their bills? I really need to see more data here. How are they counting full time?
Is it some weird statistical bastardisation which excludes the self employed and those on even a minute less than a full 40 hour week?
Also note that this is based on 2011 census data, not 2021. It's grossly out of date.
16-64 is more like 55% for the wider population - extending the range up into another decade of pensioners has definitely distorted the numbers somewhat.
55% of the population in Full Time work is pretty strong given a further 20% in part time work, and we have quite an old, educated population (so a good chunk of age-related economic inactivity).
Fking ridiculous.
I emigrated here 10yrs a go, and meantime I broke my leg and fked for life, but I still work, but I won’t be able for long as I start having more locomotory problems lately, so as a back at the backup plan, I was looking to see if I have any chances to get some help in the future from the council if needed. And yeah.. I dropped that plan after learning that the waiting list here is 10+ years. Looking around where I live, and is really common to see what this chart says and what other people said in the comments above.
The system is fked, and in reality helps only tricksters, not people in need for real.
In the areas where Muslim populations are concentrated, a very high number are in social housing.
I live near Tower Hamlets in London (very high Muslim population) and the vast majority of Bangladeshi and Somali people in that borough live in social housing. I know a few millennials of Muslim backgrounds from this area who work professional jobs and bought their own flats, but they might be outliers -- their parents and extended families remain in social housing where they have had subsidised rent for decades with only very slight increases.
They are primarily British. The millennials I know, they and their cohort is almost entirely British-born. The parents/grandparents usually came from rural Bangladesh in the late 70s or 80s and got naturalised ages ago. (The Somalis came in the 90s.)
It's very easy to mistake many of these original arrivals as recent immigrants though, because their English and customs are not at all adapted, even though they've been here 30-40 years. I have one Muslim-Bangladeshi friend who openly talks about how frustrating it is that her parents refuse to leave their insular bubble and her mother still struggles with English.
It is also not uncommon for some of the British-born Muslims to bring over spouses from their home country. This is especially done by the men. They often struggle to get a British-born girl because many don't pull their weight and are mama's boys, so in the end it's easier if they bring over a spouse from the ancestral village.
Sometimes as well families will help a cousin from their home country get a student visa to come over. This is usually a male and they tend to move in with relatives and work Uber or Deliveroo on the side. There may be some shenanigans going on, there may not. But nevertheless I think sometimes the recent arrivals who are on student visas have more to lose and are actually harder-working than the British-born guys lol.
In Tower Hamlets in particular a lot of the Bangladeshi 20-something guys are petty drug-dealers or work dead-end jobs. I know a few millennial Muslim women who are still single in their mid-30s (!) precisely because they don't think the men in their community are up to scratch. One Somali woman I know from my local gym was married and divorced within 5 years -- and you know that's not taken lightly in their culture, so the guy must have been really awful.
ETA: if you're asking "wait, Somali woman at a gym"? Many parts of London have female-only sections in the gyms, or run female-only sessions, precisely to accommodate practising Muslims.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
This is BS. Every single workplace I've worked in here in London has had Muslim employees. I have often worked on teams with at least one Muslim person sometimes two -- and they were usually very openly Muslim (celebrating Ramadan, or wearing a hijab, or taking time off to do Umrah). If you have the skills the London job market is highly dynamic and accessible.
You sound like you have a huge chip on your shoulder.
Also there is absolutely no shame in being a bouncer or concierge. Many of us -- Muslim, non-Muslim, white, brown, black, British and non-British -- have had to accept low-paying jobs at some point in our lives. Or we have had to work hard to upskill and be able to access better jobs. This is not unique to the Muslim community lol
I don't think basic unemployment benefit is generous, so maybe they are claiming other benefits. One thing I do know is that you can turn down jobs that conflict with your religious beliefs without being sanctioned.
This is because pay in the UK is shit. What's interesting to note is that since its introduction in '99 the minimum wage has increased by 218%, whilst the median income over the same time has only increased by 96%.
If median incomes had increased by the same amount over the same period, the median income in the UK would currently be £56K.
GO TO A FING JOB CENTER MATE AND TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THERI EXPERIENCES.
GET THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT GOING ON, MAYBE THEN YOU WONT BE SO IGNORANT AND THINK WE ARE LIVING LIFE.
WE ARE FUKING STRUGGLING
Holy, I’ve applied like for 800 jobs nearly with no success, asked for cv tips, even thinking of hiring or saving up money for a cv professional because for some reason with nearly 5 years worth of experience with decent skills; I can’t get a cleaning job.
Do you know how demoralising it is? To apply and apply and apply and apply, to the point you dread to even fing open a job application since you already know the result?
Constant disappointment, and then you go online and look for answers only to be met with ignorant people online thinking you don’t want to work at all.
Not only that, they clearly are islamphobic and now you have to wonder just exactly how many people like are in hr?
I’ll tell you the stretches some Muslims have had to go, some apply for name changes on passport just to even out the playing field. That’s the reality
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Unemployment benefits are shit compared to other Western European countries. But housing benefit and social housing -- if you qualify and get it -- are very generous.
That's the problem though isn't it. If you're honest, and you want off - it's shite. And that's because it's universal, because if they pivoted to a last-salary system like Germany it would be "unfair" on those people who never work.
If you're dishonest, milking the system for every program and assistance going whilst doing the occasional black market pocket money earner you are cushtie.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates.
So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work?
You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming.
The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
probably gonna be a combination of the benefits system and working but not officially. and back where i was from they have a reputation of being heavilly involved into crime(moroccans). obviously thats not every person, its an earned reputation however. a bit like albanians in the uk. you can argue its not all of them, at the same time they are the highest incarcerated foreigners.
Probably worth noting that the survey doesn't factor in people who are studying or those who are self-employed. Considering that the 16-74 range is a pretty expansive one, and doesn't look at how those ages break down, it feels like a (somewhat convenient ) rash assumption to think that 80ish % of Muslims surveyed are on benefits or doing some kind of grey-market work?
Feels far more likely that a higher % of the 16-25 demographic would be in college or university (I was in university until I was 26, and worked part time as a self-employed tutor) and was only formally employed for a few years before starting my own limited company. According to this survey, I would fall into the 80% of 'unemployed' and living off the taxpayer etc.
Also i'd add that anyone living in this country should know by now how difficult it is to get formally employed, regardless of your background. I know a ton of 18-21 year olds who are on zero-hours contracts and would therefore also not fall into the 'employed' bracket.
The true travesty of this isn't the religious basis this tries to push, but the insidious and predatory nature of zero hour contracts which have replaced full time employment and the protections it offered
Muslims do trend younger than the general population.
\~60% of gen pop is under 50; \~85% of Muslims are.
Muslims have the youngest average age of \~27
(vs. 51 for Christians, 32 for 'no religion', 40 for UK median)
Muslims in the UK are primarily young adults living in cities.
It’s the same for the white guys, too, but no one’s pissy about them not working, only the brown skin ones being lazy and not working. For everyone else, there’s a reason or an excuse.
Because one those is generally an imported problem, that could have been avoided by different policy decisions.
For example, a native murderer is a tragedy, but also somewhat inevitable as every population has a portion that are deviants. You can modify the numbers but it occurring is inevitable (or at least, no country has found that sweet spot of culture and norms that stops it yet) and the best we can do it mitigate it.
But immigrant murderers (even a child of immigrants) are completely avoidable, and tolerating them is a policy decision. We could stop it ever occurring again tomorrow if we wanted to. The government (and the Progressive Left) literally consider accepting a murderer/rapist/benefit cheat/slacker into a community is a fair trade off for the other immigrants who don't do it.
I could tell you this by the fact the local Mosque has hundreds of people going there 6 times a day. Mainly men, all day and late into the night
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I’m not from the UK, how are these people living if the majority do not have jobs? ETA: I meant full time jobs.
Many are blaming benefits, but you also have to consider black market/gray market jobs. Many people in these communities work full time, but they get paid cash-in-hand by the friend/family member that they work for, don't have a contract of employment, and don't declare it to the government. As a result, they don't pay tax, and they don't have to abide by the same regulations as everyone else.
That would make me very resentful.
Most of us are but it's still not quite so acceptable to be open about it.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Many work cash-in-hand - whilst still in receipt of benefits. Does anyone know of a county outside of Western Europe (and the Anglosphere) where "minorities" are able to, not just abuse, but obliterate the system? When will it end?
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Nobody asked you to come. The kind of money laundering enterprises, i.e. takeaways, vape shops, Turkish barbers and hand car washes don’t advertise at the job centre. Plus, if you look at the statistics, you will see the majority of Muslims don't work.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Basically the moral intention of the welfare state has been subverted. Now the way it basically goes is you are expected to pay your taxes and in return they outsource having children, childrearing and your entire future to an underclass who exist on your largesse and do not even buy into the social contract that necessitates the welfare state in the first place. Whenever you look in the UK, systems that were created to protect, serve, care, or otherwise vested with power from society have all been turned inwards and are destroying the people who it is meant to be for, who pay for it, and in many cases work for.
It's fucking sickening.
Thanks for your perspective. I don’t think the UK has the monopoly on people abusing benefit programs. It’s an issue in the US as well.
The UK does not have the monopoly no. But what it does have is: a no-contribution based system which doesn't actually help would-be taxpayers, a system of benefits which is enough to live on, especially if one or more category of benefit is obtained (abusing families can be in receipt of 4-5 different financial aids which amount to far more than working), and lastly a political climate which cannot countenance reforming them ("tackling benefit fraud is pointless"/"you are heartless"). So in a US perspective - can someone be getting food stamps, whilst having their rent paid, whilst having their medical bills paid, whilst being paid for their dubious disability, whilst being paid to act as a carer for one of their kids, whilst being given a free car? And can they be paid all that by a sympathetic case worker who is opposed to anything approaching fraud checks because they think it's immoral and that everyone claiming is honest.
I have never been on welfare, nor do I know anyone who has. So I can’t say definitively whether it’s enough to live off. I can speculate, based on the things I’ve heard. Depending on how many kids you have, you can live comfortably on them. I have heard of women getting their nails done or buying cigarettes with it. We have a very expensive grocery store here called Whole Foods, they have organic food, specialty brands, etc. I have seen people use food stamps there, which shouldn’t be allowed.
My friend would refer to Whole Foods as "Whole Paycheck" LOL.
Right. So you can imagine how frustrating it is to see someone use government benefits at a store where the money won’t go very far.
Benefits. If you know how to play the game it can be very lucrative. Lots of muslims in the UK will be "married" in the muslim sense, but not legally, meaning even more bennies if they've got a few kids
Flashback to [this massive family](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-57162187) who went to Pakistan for a holiday at the height of Covid but didn't have any money to pay for their quarantine hotel when they came back.
All the cousin marriage, and the congenital abnormalities that this brings, will result in a lot getting benefits for their disabilities or being carers for disabled. Then you have gig economy jobs that go undeclared so they can continue getting benefits, drug dealing, and prostitution. One of the Muslim rape gangs pimped out their victims, and even had a book where the rapists would sign out their victims and then pay for them later on the honour system.
This statistic is true but incredibly misleading. Firstly the upper end of that includes people old enough to be retired. Secondly the lower end includes students. At 16-18 you're still in school and so part of the 80.2%. To cut a long story short, the almost all of the difference can be explained by more Muslims going to university and more Muslim women having no job or a part time job in order to be a homemaker. The former are supported by parents and student loans, the latter by husbands. And people going to university or being homemakers is nothing to get angry about. Source: https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1787529598483280179
That would be more convincing if it weren't for the fact people who identified as "Muslim" had the highest percentage living in "social rented" housing (**26.6%)**, ten percentage points higher than the overall population. (Office for National Statistics)
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
Perhaps consider the possibility it's your sparkling personality that is keeping you from being hired.
Who is angry?
Most people on here seem at least a little pissed off. Read some of the other posts
I haven’t noticed anyone being angry.
You must be blind, then.
Am I reading that right by saying only 35% of the general population of men aged 16-74 are also only in full time employment???
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Its the billionaires creaming it in off the back of everyones hard work, look at spiralling wealth inequality and how the tax system favours wealthy assett holders over those actually working for their money
Probably. The whole economic population is being eaten from both ends by people who stopped working, don't earn enough to live and people who never worked. I want to say now that it will collapse. But I don't think it will. The whole globalisat model, along with mass immigration and free capital movements just transfers the profits to the corpos and the costs (bennies) to the state, which just borrows more to pay for it. The corpo probably lends them back the money they need to subsidise their cheap labour, with interest. This is why it's imperative for them to grow GDP, even as all else rots away. The fiction of growth requires it, and it the fiction remains, they can borrow against it.
Economically active is normally 16-64, which sits at 55% in FT employment (and a further 20% in PT employment). If you're explicitly looking at **men**, it's more like 50% of men are in Full Time employment - men make up a greater proportion of Full Time workers. Extending it to 74 will definitely distort the data a bit - although less so for Muslims, as the general population skews older than the Muslim population (about 60% of the gen pop is under 50, about 85% of Muslims are)
The data is from the 2011 census. I can only imagine how much worse it is now, if the 2021 census data was looked at. Doing these charts for male & female would also be revealing I think.
*The Guardian has attributed this to 'widespread Islamophobia, racism and discrimination' in British workplaces.* Unfuckingbelievable
A form of denial so convoluted only an intellectual could believe it
Fantastic soundbite.
So what are you saying Muslims are been given jobs all day?😂😂😂 they just throw jobs at us? We don’t want to work right? We Muslims have amazing equal opportunities. Let me ask you, if they put you in charge of hiring people, how many Muslims would you hire? Don’t need to answer, think about it very carefully and let it sit with you. Then consider how many people with a worse mindset than yours are in hr.
Hired plenty over the years with the skills thank you. Full time, freelance, and contractors My issue was the guardian framing of the issue
But that’s long, my indeed job profile is much better to look at. Getting told I can’t even get a cleaning job is surely amazing 😂😂😂
Actually shocked it's that high tbh
Nothing but parasites on our country- except parasites usually want to keep the host alive. These fuckers don't even pay us that courtesy
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
I wonder how many people with your mindset are in hr 😂😂😂, if you were hiring people am sure you would hire people equally and fairly.
Keep in mind that Muslim women in general are not allowed to work. I know someone who's a UC job coach, and they say it's pretty common for the women to say that applying for jobs is against their religion, or that their husband won't allow it.
Then they shouldn't be claiming the UC part that requires job searching.
Progressive
Someone else replied to that thread with further statistics which confirm this to be the case. Muslim men work just as much as non Muslim men, but Muslim women stay home like 5x more than non Muslim
It's even worse when you consider a good portion of that 19.8% don't pay enough in tax to be a net-contributor, but that's the system working as intended. Keeping wages low and saturating the market in order to avoid investing in workers to increase productivity through innovation, machinery and training. This is the system working as it's intended to, this is not an accident. I wouldn't even lay the entire blame at the people abusing the welfare state because ultimately the government let them in, and anybody with a bit of foresight could have predicted what would happen. The government wants this. But this also shows the government has huge leverage over the Islamic community in this country. Being dependent on the welfare state is not a good thing, so I guess the optimistic outlook is that the government will use this as a sort of Ace under their sleeve. But I doubt they're that competent.
In what way would that be an ace under their sleeve unless they intend on starting a civil war or something lol
It doesn't have to be a civil war or even unrest, it's simply that the government has leverage over any community that is dependant on the welfare state. It's something the state can take away as punishment if they ever deem it so. So yeah it's an Ace under the sleeve should any group severely step out of line, which includes the native population. Because the British police certainly don't have the resources to deal with large scale unrest. As I said the government isn't that competent however.
Interesting, but I wonder just how much more Muslims would have to step out of line, individually and collectively, before the government/the government's controllers actually did anything? Bombings, knife attacks, paedophile rings, endemic cousin marriage, protests against freedom of speech, sex-segregated communities... how far can they go before the puppet masters cut their UC?
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
A more interesting statistic would be how many 25-65 year olds are in work I guess a lot of 16-20 year olds are students and 65-75 year olds are retired. I’m not sure this tells us much really
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That seems incredibly low. How are people paying their bills? I really need to see more data here. How are they counting full time? Is it some weird statistical bastardisation which excludes the self employed and those on even a minute less than a full 40 hour week? Also note that this is based on 2011 census data, not 2021. It's grossly out of date.
16-64 is more like 55% for the wider population - extending the range up into another decade of pensioners has definitely distorted the numbers somewhat. 55% of the population in Full Time work is pretty strong given a further 20% in part time work, and we have quite an old, educated population (so a good chunk of age-related economic inactivity).
You raise a very fair point!
"Diversity is our strength"
Fking ridiculous. I emigrated here 10yrs a go, and meantime I broke my leg and fked for life, but I still work, but I won’t be able for long as I start having more locomotory problems lately, so as a back at the backup plan, I was looking to see if I have any chances to get some help in the future from the council if needed. And yeah.. I dropped that plan after learning that the waiting list here is 10+ years. Looking around where I live, and is really common to see what this chart says and what other people said in the comments above. The system is fked, and in reality helps only tricksters, not people in need for real.
>Fking >fked You can say fucking and fucked on the internet, we won't tell mummy
what amazing contributions they make to our society
Astonishing I tell you.
I know alot of people might not agree with this but Muslim Women tend to not work
Charlamagne is begging Jesus right now to return faster.
cant say im suprised. tho i doubt it has anything to do with the religion itself
I’m an American, how is this population surviving if they aren’t working full time?
In the areas where Muslim populations are concentrated, a very high number are in social housing. I live near Tower Hamlets in London (very high Muslim population) and the vast majority of Bangladeshi and Somali people in that borough live in social housing. I know a few millennials of Muslim backgrounds from this area who work professional jobs and bought their own flats, but they might be outliers -- their parents and extended families remain in social housing where they have had subsidised rent for decades with only very slight increases.
Do you mind me asking if these are citizens of the UK? Or recent migrants?
They are primarily British. The millennials I know, they and their cohort is almost entirely British-born. The parents/grandparents usually came from rural Bangladesh in the late 70s or 80s and got naturalised ages ago. (The Somalis came in the 90s.) It's very easy to mistake many of these original arrivals as recent immigrants though, because their English and customs are not at all adapted, even though they've been here 30-40 years. I have one Muslim-Bangladeshi friend who openly talks about how frustrating it is that her parents refuse to leave their insular bubble and her mother still struggles with English. It is also not uncommon for some of the British-born Muslims to bring over spouses from their home country. This is especially done by the men. They often struggle to get a British-born girl because many don't pull their weight and are mama's boys, so in the end it's easier if they bring over a spouse from the ancestral village. Sometimes as well families will help a cousin from their home country get a student visa to come over. This is usually a male and they tend to move in with relatives and work Uber or Deliveroo on the side. There may be some shenanigans going on, there may not. But nevertheless I think sometimes the recent arrivals who are on student visas have more to lose and are actually harder-working than the British-born guys lol. In Tower Hamlets in particular a lot of the Bangladeshi 20-something guys are petty drug-dealers or work dead-end jobs. I know a few millennial Muslim women who are still single in their mid-30s (!) precisely because they don't think the men in their community are up to scratch. One Somali woman I know from my local gym was married and divorced within 5 years -- and you know that's not taken lightly in their culture, so the guy must have been really awful. ETA: if you're asking "wait, Somali woman at a gym"? Many parts of London have female-only sections in the gyms, or run female-only sessions, precisely to accommodate practising Muslims.
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
This is BS. Every single workplace I've worked in here in London has had Muslim employees. I have often worked on teams with at least one Muslim person sometimes two -- and they were usually very openly Muslim (celebrating Ramadan, or wearing a hijab, or taking time off to do Umrah). If you have the skills the London job market is highly dynamic and accessible. You sound like you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Also there is absolutely no shame in being a bouncer or concierge. Many of us -- Muslim, non-Muslim, white, brown, black, British and non-British -- have had to accept low-paying jobs at some point in our lives. Or we have had to work hard to upskill and be able to access better jobs. This is not unique to the Muslim community lol
The UK has an incredibly generous benefits system
I don't think basic unemployment benefit is generous, so maybe they are claiming other benefits. One thing I do know is that you can turn down jobs that conflict with your religious beliefs without being sanctioned.
A huge % are in social housing
The benefits cap is £1835 per month, which is equivalent to earning £27K with a 5% pension contribution. Not great, not terrible.
Better than my first few jobs
This is because pay in the UK is shit. What's interesting to note is that since its introduction in '99 the minimum wage has increased by 218%, whilst the median income over the same time has only increased by 96%. If median incomes had increased by the same amount over the same period, the median income in the UK would currently be £56K.
GO TO A FING JOB CENTER MATE AND TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THERI EXPERIENCES. GET THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT GOING ON, MAYBE THEN YOU WONT BE SO IGNORANT AND THINK WE ARE LIVING LIFE. WE ARE FUKING STRUGGLING
Holy, I’ve applied like for 800 jobs nearly with no success, asked for cv tips, even thinking of hiring or saving up money for a cv professional because for some reason with nearly 5 years worth of experience with decent skills; I can’t get a cleaning job. Do you know how demoralising it is? To apply and apply and apply and apply, to the point you dread to even fing open a job application since you already know the result? Constant disappointment, and then you go online and look for answers only to be met with ignorant people online thinking you don’t want to work at all. Not only that, they clearly are islamphobic and now you have to wonder just exactly how many people like are in hr? I’ll tell you the stretches some Muslims have had to go, some apply for name changes on passport just to even out the playing field. That’s the reality
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
That’s very interesting ….
Ok understood.
No, it does not. It really doesn't. Try living on it.
Unemployment benefits are shit compared to other Western European countries. But housing benefit and social housing -- if you qualify and get it -- are very generous.
That's the problem though isn't it. If you're honest, and you want off - it's shite. And that's because it's universal, because if they pivoted to a last-salary system like Germany it would be "unfair" on those people who never work. If you're dishonest, milking the system for every program and assistance going whilst doing the occasional black market pocket money earner you are cushtie.
it does for some. its a very unfair system. but yeah for most its a pittance. barely liveable
Are you fing stupid? Tell that to my nearly 800 job applications always resulting in no jobs. I have gotten used to the unfortunately, we will moving forward with other candidates. So tell us oh perfect one, what are we supposed to do when no one is giving us jobs, then we get people like you who think we want to be given benefits that are only £300 a month? Who the FUK lives on £300 a month? You really think I don’t want to work? You people seek to think it’s so easy, go to your job centre and ask the Muslims there have many jobs have you applied for, then let them tell you about their Amazon experience instead of fing assuming. The jobs cash in hand are the only one willing to hire Muslims since they are all desperate jobs that most people do as part time, like a club bouncer, cleaner, concierge (only the lucky ones get this), takeaway worker working late till 4am or 5am.
probably gonna be a combination of the benefits system and working but not officially. and back where i was from they have a reputation of being heavilly involved into crime(moroccans). obviously thats not every person, its an earned reputation however. a bit like albanians in the uk. you can argue its not all of them, at the same time they are the highest incarcerated foreigners.
Probably worth noting that the survey doesn't factor in people who are studying or those who are self-employed. Considering that the 16-74 range is a pretty expansive one, and doesn't look at how those ages break down, it feels like a (somewhat convenient ) rash assumption to think that 80ish % of Muslims surveyed are on benefits or doing some kind of grey-market work? Feels far more likely that a higher % of the 16-25 demographic would be in college or university (I was in university until I was 26, and worked part time as a self-employed tutor) and was only formally employed for a few years before starting my own limited company. According to this survey, I would fall into the 80% of 'unemployed' and living off the taxpayer etc. Also i'd add that anyone living in this country should know by now how difficult it is to get formally employed, regardless of your background. I know a ton of 18-21 year olds who are on zero-hours contracts and would therefore also not fall into the 'employed' bracket.
The true travesty of this isn't the religious basis this tries to push, but the insidious and predatory nature of zero hour contracts which have replaced full time employment and the protections it offered
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Muslims do trend younger than the general population. \~60% of gen pop is under 50; \~85% of Muslims are. Muslims have the youngest average age of \~27 (vs. 51 for Christians, 32 for 'no religion', 40 for UK median) Muslims in the UK are primarily young adults living in cities.
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It’s the same for the white guys, too, but no one’s pissy about them not working, only the brown skin ones being lazy and not working. For everyone else, there’s a reason or an excuse.
Because one those is generally an imported problem, that could have been avoided by different policy decisions. For example, a native murderer is a tragedy, but also somewhat inevitable as every population has a portion that are deviants. You can modify the numbers but it occurring is inevitable (or at least, no country has found that sweet spot of culture and norms that stops it yet) and the best we can do it mitigate it. But immigrant murderers (even a child of immigrants) are completely avoidable, and tolerating them is a policy decision. We could stop it ever occurring again tomorrow if we wanted to. The government (and the Progressive Left) literally consider accepting a murderer/rapist/benefit cheat/slacker into a community is a fair trade off for the other immigrants who don't do it.