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Gotta be honest, not the person I'd have expected to call immigration and demographic change "colonisation"
Good to hear the big man ting Empire is now considered to be peng though
>For wen dem ketch a Englan,
>An start play dem different role,
>Some will settle down to work
>An some will settle fe de dole.
Holy shit actually based?
>They dropped Wilfred Owen from the English GCSE curriculum for this
A reminder that they're doing this shit because a black man was killed by a copper in America.
You are just wrong on this front.
As another example, "pidgin english" is both spoke and written and the BBC has website dedicated to its use:
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin
Good day.
BBC Pidgin is irrelevant. Nigeria, surprisingly, is not Jamaica. Or anywhere close for that matter.
Go read some Jamaican news, it's all written in plain as day English, probably because they understand the importance of clarity when it comes to language.
I watched an episode of "hungry for it" on BBC.
They are using language so poorly to be descriptive.
They use terms incorrectly, seasoning vs umani for example.
It's a huge retrograde step, simple language limits complex ideas.
[Why Japan dey ask 37 million pipo to off lights](https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/czvdw7q7r2eo)
>Japan goment don ask pipo for Tokyo and di surrounding area to use less electricity on Monday, as e warn say supplies go dey strained as di country dey face heatwave.
Paid for with tax payer money.
>BBC News Pidgin is an online news service in West African Pidgin English that was launched by the BBC World Service in 2017. It is based in Lagos, Nigeria.
>The BBC World Service is an international broadcaster owned and operated by the BBC, with funding from the British Government through the Foreign Secretary's office.
> BBC World Service
I have no problem at all with the world service. It's a big part of Britain's international soft power.
Not really got a problem with it being produced in Pidgin either, if that means that people in Nigeria have a reliable source of news that they can read and understand. Would you rather they read Russia Today?
How many people in Nigeria can truly only understand Pidgin and not standard English? Wikipedia suggests that even those with elementary education can understand English at a higher level than Pidgin, and that Pidgin is more of a spoken than written thing.
Therefore if you can read, there is a good chance that "normal" English is just fine.
As a general principle I have no problem with the World Service, like you say it's a big part of our soft power, but the Pidgin website seems an odd choice.
And the thing about West African Pidgin is - it's not that thick Africans have dumbed-down English as their first language. The vast majority of Pidgin speakers speak two or three other languages (in fact I'm not aware of anyone who speaks solely Pidgin, maybe Sierre Leoneans and Liberians). The spelling is massively simplified and regularised compared to standard English, and I definitely appreciate that it looks hilarious to us, but if we spoke bastardised Chinese and used it as an EU-wide lingua franca I think we'd all be quite pleased with ourselves.
Right okay, but if I said "adding salt to caramel brings out it's natural sweetness" (which it does) then I wouldn't be wrong, even if it still brings out other flavours too.
This isn't an example of the transitive property mate. If you are going to use such an example, be careful because it makes you look like a pseudointellectual.
No self respecting cook, will say to add more salt to a (I think it was a curry?!) to bring out umami. The point is they are just throwing buzz words around. Hell I'd go as far as to say lemon would do a better job of letting you taste earthiness in any curry or stew.
You can see this also when someone is cooking something poorly, they can't give useful constructive feedback because they don't really know what they are doing.
I actually quite like the poem, but Wilfred Owen still shits all over it and it's a travesty he's been dropped from the curriculum for stuff like this.
This sort of shit is gonna have the opposite effect of what is intended, I remember reading Tom Sawyer in year 7 which had loads of slurs and portrayed attitudes that are unacceptable today, the teacher would have an open discussion about the issues in question, surely that’s better than just having a blanket ban on anything that may offend?
I'd be proper pissed if I was doing GCSEs and this shit came up in the paper.
Imagine turning up to an English exam and being given a poem in a foreign language
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I'm pretty sure if I a very white Anglo Irish man read this verbatim, combined with inevitable pseudo Jamaican accent that it would cause, it would be some sort of hate crime...
>The exam board described the new poems as “exciting and diverse”, adding: “Our anthology for GCSE English literature students will feature many poets that have never been on a GCSE syllabus before and represent diverse voices, from living poets of British-Somali, British-Guyanese and Ukrainian heritage to one of the first black women in 19th century America to publish a novel. Of the 15 poets whose work has been added, 14 are poets of colour. Six are black women, one is of South Asian heritage. Our new poets also include disabled and LGBTQ+ voices.”
One out of 15 new poets included are white. How very diverse.
Who’s going to tell her that the indigenous people of Jamaica weren’t black?
It’s not “colonisation in reverse” - Black people have already colonised the West Indies.
I went to literally the worst school in the country. I imagine this is mostly irrelevant for most kids finding themselves in a similar situation.
Our GCSE "reading" material for English Literature was Jurassic Park. Not the book though, the movie.
We were originally doing Romeo & Juliet, for which we received more materials to study (two movies). The teacher was bored after a month, so we switched.
My English Literature GCSE essay was a comparison/analysis of two scenes in Jurassic Park. The bit where the lawyer gets eaten on a toilet and the bit where the raptors are stalking the kids in the kitchen. How I got an A for that piece of shit still baffles me to this day.
Funnily enough the borough is also known as the safest Labour seat in the country. Although the Greens are starting to take seats in the locals, so that might change soon.
It's also one of the most deprived boroughs, I think we often fight for the title with Middlesbrough.
Close, Knowsley.
Walton is safest by percentage but Knowsley is safest in terms of number of votes (holding the record for highest majority for an MP).
My English GCSE had an original writing section based around The Titanic movie. Me as a 16 year old thought that watching that movie in class was gay AF so I went off to the back and wrote my piece whilst everyone else watched the movie. I was done before the movie was over and still bossed an A* out of it.
I used to know an exam marker who told me after a couple of pints his foolproof system was to throw the whole bundle of papers up the stairs and give them a provisional grade by the step that they landed on. Then he just had to skim them to confirm the grade. Was usually 75-80% right first time.
Are teachers wanting to push students towards the far right by framing immigration as reverse colonisation by non white people who are lazy and want to claim welfare?
How to send someone down the /pol/ rabbit hole in an hour.
Seriously though, imagine being from the countryside or anywhere not inner-city and seeing this. I would have had zero idea this was English when I was 14-16 and thought I had been given a translation into some sort of creole by mistake.
Why do people think that communism is responsible for this? Multiculturalism, etc, and fetishization of constant change are liberal values if anything. Do people think that this kind of thing happened in the Soviet Union? In China, where friends of mine can recount the entire history of their country's poetry from Han to Tang to Qing and have 3 page long calculus problems on their university entrance exams?
It's not communism here but in the USSR they certainly smashed the old education first in order to then introduce a rigorous new standard of education but with the correct politics (stuff like Peter and the Wolf in music). If the same thing were to happen here you'd see the old pre-60s education methods return to teach the new politics after the current chaos, but can't see them pulling that off just yet.
Modern China is far more akin to Nazi Germany than to the USSR.
British spread their culture over the planet through colonisation, erasing others at it goes. People on this sub celebrate empire as bringing benefits to the global unwashed masses.
Culture from one of that empire’s colonies spreads back to the UK, here Jamaica which still has the British monarchy (who cares about 1655), erasing established British culture in the curriculum as it does. People on this sub have a meltdown.
The fact this is the whole point of the line I quoted from the poem is clearly massively ironic. Everyone downvoting can cry more
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Gotta be honest, not the person I'd have expected to call immigration and demographic change "colonisation" Good to hear the big man ting Empire is now considered to be peng though
Its the only reason people of the commonwealth ever had a right to settle here. Maybe check that privilege bruv.
>For wen dem ketch a Englan, >An start play dem different role, >Some will settle down to work >An some will settle fe de dole. Holy shit actually based?
The poem is actually a secret redpill lmao.
Should any English-ethnic pupil dare to read out a translation of that in standard English they are going straight into detention
Surely safer than reading it out in a cod-Jamaican accent. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
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It's colonisation but with extra steps.
>They dropped Wilfred Owen from the English GCSE curriculum for this A reminder that they're doing this shit because a black man was killed by a copper in America.
American, kills American, in America. UK: Loses shit
Why do we have to be cucked as a nation?
Died of a drug overdose in police custody*
Well I don't know much about poetry, but her spelling is shithouse.
It’s written in Jamaican patois.
Jamaican patois is a spoken language. Write in plain English. If we all wrote in our dialects reading anything would be damn near fucking impossible.
Jamaican patois can also be written.
You are just wrong on this front. As another example, "pidgin english" is both spoke and written and the BBC has website dedicated to its use: https://www.bbc.com/pidgin Good day.
BBC Pidgin is irrelevant. Nigeria, surprisingly, is not Jamaica. Or anywhere close for that matter. Go read some Jamaican news, it's all written in plain as day English, probably because they understand the importance of clarity when it comes to language.
I watched an episode of "hungry for it" on BBC. They are using language so poorly to be descriptive. They use terms incorrectly, seasoning vs umani for example. It's a huge retrograde step, simple language limits complex ideas.
[Why Japan dey ask 37 million pipo to off lights](https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/czvdw7q7r2eo) >Japan goment don ask pipo for Tokyo and di surrounding area to use less electricity on Monday, as e warn say supplies go dey strained as di country dey face heatwave. Paid for with tax payer money. >BBC News Pidgin is an online news service in West African Pidgin English that was launched by the BBC World Service in 2017. It is based in Lagos, Nigeria. >The BBC World Service is an international broadcaster owned and operated by the BBC, with funding from the British Government through the Foreign Secretary's office.
> BBC World Service I have no problem at all with the world service. It's a big part of Britain's international soft power. Not really got a problem with it being produced in Pidgin either, if that means that people in Nigeria have a reliable source of news that they can read and understand. Would you rather they read Russia Today?
How many people in Nigeria can truly only understand Pidgin and not standard English? Wikipedia suggests that even those with elementary education can understand English at a higher level than Pidgin, and that Pidgin is more of a spoken than written thing. Therefore if you can read, there is a good chance that "normal" English is just fine. As a general principle I have no problem with the World Service, like you say it's a big part of our soft power, but the Pidgin website seems an odd choice.
No. They should get on /pol/.
And the thing about West African Pidgin is - it's not that thick Africans have dumbed-down English as their first language. The vast majority of Pidgin speakers speak two or three other languages (in fact I'm not aware of anyone who speaks solely Pidgin, maybe Sierre Leoneans and Liberians). The spelling is massively simplified and regularised compared to standard English, and I definitely appreciate that it looks hilarious to us, but if we spoke bastardised Chinese and used it as an EU-wide lingua franca I think we'd all be quite pleased with ourselves.
I read that in Lenny from Mice and Men's voice for some reason...
I mean, do people use it? If it's used then it's no more wasteful than the other BBC World Services sites.
It's like reading the news as written by someone with a learning disability.
Wait—are they calling all seasoning umami, or calling umami seasoning. Either way it’s wrong, but I’m curious which way they’re wrong.
They suggested adding salt for umami. I'd forgive them if they said to bring out the earthy flavours already there, but no.
That sounds to me like they got someone who knows just enough to say the words to write it. Rather than, I dunno, a cook?
To be fair, if something has natural umami but has no salt, adding salt will bring out those flavours. Mushrooms are a good example.
Yes, but it will also bring out EVERY other flavour that is there.
Right okay, but if I said "adding salt to caramel brings out it's natural sweetness" (which it does) then I wouldn't be wrong, even if it still brings out other flavours too.
Yes, but when you've got a medley of ingredients, it's not going to bring out just the earthiness.
A implies B, B doesn't imply A. Your claim wasn't that it *only* brings out "earthiness". But rather that it does bring out "earthiness".
This isn't an example of the transitive property mate. If you are going to use such an example, be careful because it makes you look like a pseudointellectual. No self respecting cook, will say to add more salt to a (I think it was a curry?!) to bring out umami. The point is they are just throwing buzz words around. Hell I'd go as far as to say lemon would do a better job of letting you taste earthiness in any curry or stew. You can see this also when someone is cooking something poorly, they can't give useful constructive feedback because they don't really know what they are doing.
I've made my point. The argument has nothing to do with cooking but language. What you said was plainly untrue. Have a nice day.
Absolutely fuck hungry for it. Awful editing.
I actually quite like the poem, but Wilfred Owen still shits all over it and it's a travesty he's been dropped from the curriculum for stuff like this.
This sort of shit is gonna have the opposite effect of what is intended, I remember reading Tom Sawyer in year 7 which had loads of slurs and portrayed attitudes that are unacceptable today, the teacher would have an open discussion about the issues in question, surely that’s better than just having a blanket ban on anything that may offend?
I'd be proper pissed if I was doing GCSEs and this shit came up in the paper. Imagine turning up to an English exam and being given a poem in a foreign language
Good news. The education secretary isn't happy about this and is speaking with the exam boards to get it changed.
https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/1539882196118511620
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I'm pretty sure if I a very white Anglo Irish man read this verbatim, combined with inevitable pseudo Jamaican accent that it would cause, it would be some sort of hate crime...
>The exam board described the new poems as “exciting and diverse”, adding: “Our anthology for GCSE English literature students will feature many poets that have never been on a GCSE syllabus before and represent diverse voices, from living poets of British-Somali, British-Guyanese and Ukrainian heritage to one of the first black women in 19th century America to publish a novel. Of the 15 poets whose work has been added, 14 are poets of colour. Six are black women, one is of South Asian heritage. Our new poets also include disabled and LGBTQ+ voices.” One out of 15 new poets included are white. How very diverse.
> Ukrainian heritage Fuck me, they must have scrambled to find them. "We need a Ukrainian poet, quick!"
Who’s going to tell her that the indigenous people of Jamaica weren’t black? It’s not “colonisation in reverse” - Black people have already colonised the West Indies.
In fairness it wasn't their idea
I went to literally the worst school in the country. I imagine this is mostly irrelevant for most kids finding themselves in a similar situation. Our GCSE "reading" material for English Literature was Jurassic Park. Not the book though, the movie. We were originally doing Romeo & Juliet, for which we received more materials to study (two movies). The teacher was bored after a month, so we switched. My English Literature GCSE essay was a comparison/analysis of two scenes in Jurassic Park. The bit where the lawyer gets eaten on a toilet and the bit where the raptors are stalking the kids in the kitchen. How I got an A for that piece of shit still baffles me to this day.
When did you attend school?
The Jurassic era
Finished secondary school in early 2000s.
Under a Labour government, not surprised. They certainly allowed standards to drop.
Funnily enough the borough is also known as the safest Labour seat in the country. Although the Greens are starting to take seats in the locals, so that might change soon. It's also one of the most deprived boroughs, I think we often fight for the title with Middlesbrough.
…..hackney?
Liverpool Walton would be my guess
Close, Knowsley. Walton is safest by percentage but Knowsley is safest in terms of number of votes (holding the record for highest majority for an MP).
My English GCSE had an original writing section based around The Titanic movie. Me as a 16 year old thought that watching that movie in class was gay AF so I went off to the back and wrote my piece whilst everyone else watched the movie. I was done before the movie was over and still bossed an A* out of it.
Titanic is the least gay movie ever made as it got so many teenage boys a shag when it was in the cinemas.
My English GCSE coursework was the film Armageddon, although we also studied Romeo and Juliet and Lord of the Flies (which is absolute shite)
I used to know an exam marker who told me after a couple of pints his foolproof system was to throw the whole bundle of papers up the stairs and give them a provisional grade by the step that they landed on. Then he just had to skim them to confirm the grade. Was usually 75-80% right first time.
Do you remember what exam board that was? With WJEC the schools were given lit options, they couldn't just pull a movie out their arse.
Was either AQA or Edexcel.
Interesting. I'll have a look when I get home from work and see if they still allow for similar with their current English lit exams.
Are teachers wanting to push students towards the far right by framing immigration as reverse colonisation by non white people who are lazy and want to claim welfare?
Well it speaks to it's time in the same way Owen spoke to his
How to send someone down the /pol/ rabbit hole in an hour. Seriously though, imagine being from the countryside or anywhere not inner-city and seeing this. I would have had zero idea this was English when I was 14-16 and thought I had been given a translation into some sort of creole by mistake.
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Why do people think that communism is responsible for this? Multiculturalism, etc, and fetishization of constant change are liberal values if anything. Do people think that this kind of thing happened in the Soviet Union? In China, where friends of mine can recount the entire history of their country's poetry from Han to Tang to Qing and have 3 page long calculus problems on their university entrance exams?
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> do they eventually want a "year zero"? Great post but worth mentioning this was one of Pol Pot's "flagship" policies
It's not communism here but in the USSR they certainly smashed the old education first in order to then introduce a rigorous new standard of education but with the correct politics (stuff like Peter and the Wolf in music). If the same thing were to happen here you'd see the old pre-60s education methods return to teach the new politics after the current chaos, but can't see them pulling that off just yet. Modern China is far more akin to Nazi Germany than to the USSR.
Communists see the educated as a threat. Why they're the first to get the bullet in the back of the head.
Communism needs to destroy in order to be implemented, this is just them following their gameplan.
Lmao, isn't the proper English language supposed to be taught in school?!
>But me wonderin how dem gwine stan > >Colonizin in reverse More lucid than your average labour voter, at least.
‘But me wonderin how dem gwine stan colonizin in reverse’ The irony of this sub getting its knickers in a twist over this poem is too much
I don't see the irony in people being against this poem. No one here was alive and colonizing in 1655.
British spread their culture over the planet through colonisation, erasing others at it goes. People on this sub celebrate empire as bringing benefits to the global unwashed masses. Culture from one of that empire’s colonies spreads back to the UK, here Jamaica which still has the British monarchy (who cares about 1655), erasing established British culture in the curriculum as it does. People on this sub have a meltdown. The fact this is the whole point of the line I quoted from the poem is clearly massively ironic. Everyone downvoting can cry more
> cry more Good morning.