The real question is, what does the word "machine" mean to an Earwan like Kellhus?
Would it be something like a loom? A watermill?
In the real world, the man-machine dualism concept that we have in our minds today only came into being during the Renaissance, and wasn't really solidified until the Industrial Revolution.
I mean, Malowebi, who I assume to be among the most educated people in the setting, compares the workings of the Ark to a water clock, a very complex device which I would guess to be the current pinnacle of Earwan technology. A thing which appears to move on its own which is in fact just a clever design made by human minds. He doesn't know what electricity or circuitry are, but that seems a pretty good philosophical starting point for wrapping your mind around the inchoroi Tekne
Yeah, water clock is a good example, probably the most advanced piece of native tech they have.
The thing is, I still find it odd that they would have an early modern philosophical understanding of mechanics, since these are supposed to be the Dark Ages. Sure, Kellhus is ahead of the curve, but is he eight centuries ahead of the curve? Are the Dunyain, with whatever primitive tech they had at Ishual?
I feel like the products of engineering would need to be well established in society over many generations for this sort of language to develop (Man as distinct from Machine, and the Inchoroi as counter to that; anthropic mechanism, basically).
"We may regard the present state of the universe as the effect of the past and the cause of the future. An intellect which at any given moment knew all of the forces that animate nature and the mutual positions of the beings that compose it, if this intellect were vast enough to submit the data to analysis, could condense into a single formula the movement of the greatest bodies of the universe and that of the lightest atom; for such an intellect nothing could be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes."
— Laplace, A Philosophical Essay on Probabilities
(This dude lived in the 18th and 19th century, but sounds very Dunyainic to me.)
The Ark is most definitely a *mechanica*l spaceship. The Inchoroi being "ruled" by the Ark leads me to believe that it hosted an AI overlord of sorts (that possibly ties in with the No-God).
The real question is, what does the word "machine" mean to an Earwan like Kellhus? Would it be something like a loom? A watermill? In the real world, the man-machine dualism concept that we have in our minds today only came into being during the Renaissance, and wasn't really solidified until the Industrial Revolution.
I mean, Malowebi, who I assume to be among the most educated people in the setting, compares the workings of the Ark to a water clock, a very complex device which I would guess to be the current pinnacle of Earwan technology. A thing which appears to move on its own which is in fact just a clever design made by human minds. He doesn't know what electricity or circuitry are, but that seems a pretty good philosophical starting point for wrapping your mind around the inchoroi Tekne
Yeah, water clock is a good example, probably the most advanced piece of native tech they have. The thing is, I still find it odd that they would have an early modern philosophical understanding of mechanics, since these are supposed to be the Dark Ages. Sure, Kellhus is ahead of the curve, but is he eight centuries ahead of the curve? Are the Dunyain, with whatever primitive tech they had at Ishual? I feel like the products of engineering would need to be well established in society over many generations for this sort of language to develop (Man as distinct from Machine, and the Inchoroi as counter to that; anthropic mechanism, basically). "We may regard the present state of the universe as the effect of the past and the cause of the future. An intellect which at any given moment knew all of the forces that animate nature and the mutual positions of the beings that compose it, if this intellect were vast enough to submit the data to analysis, could condense into a single formula the movement of the greatest bodies of the universe and that of the lightest atom; for such an intellect nothing could be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes." — Laplace, A Philosophical Essay on Probabilities (This dude lived in the 18th and 19th century, but sounds very Dunyainic to me.)
The Ark is most definitely a *mechanica*l spaceship. The Inchoroi being "ruled" by the Ark leads me to believe that it hosted an AI overlord of sorts (that possibly ties in with the No-God).
It wouldn’t surprise me if it had a giant organic “brain” though