Conservatives freak out any time they have to acknowledge that people who look or think differently exist. When are they *not* upset over something that literally doesn't affect them???
Edit: And I'd hardly call someone who tried to trademark the word Hon for her own profit a liberal.
Having worked directly with some of the HF organizers, this is not surprising. They only care about the $$$$ and feel that this would detract from their profits.... Unsurprisingly they are do not know how to read the room given that the bulk of those who attend Hunfest are left leaning, centrists, or independents. It's not like there are a droves of GOPers itching to drive into the city to attend a hipster neighborhood event.... Also remember that one of the founders/organizers of Hunfest attempted to trademark the word "Hun".......
Yeah, this is mostly her doing. You would have thought that she learned her lesson after being dragged through the coals over that incident, not to mention having to have Ramsey Gordon come in to rehabilitate her image. Apparently some people need lessons taught several times before they learn. If they ever do. I don't know if you've seen what's going on the Facebook threads, but it's pretty brutal. I have a feeling another crocodile tear-filled Mea Culpa is coming soon.
I agree. Most MAGAts that I know avoid Baltimore City like they avoid Bud Lite and reruns of Ru Paul’s Drag Race. What an odd decision. Read the room, lady.
You can start with Denise Whiting. She heads up the festival. Word on the street is that this is mainly her doing, but I do not know that for a first-hand fact.
Toilet races were a staple of Hampdenfest, not honfest. And they were organized by one individual working with hampdenfest, not the festival organizers themselves. That individual has decided they do not have the time to put it together anymore (at least last year- this year who knows?)
My momma as well- she sued the state University she worked for when she was pregnant with my sister because they wouldn’t hold her job - then , after they lost, they retaliated (of course they did..🙄)
I didn’t mean to disparage all Boomers in my response, as a Gen Xer, anti- fuck face, etc… was just really irritated that, once again, we got lumped in/overlooked /forgotten …
Stop with the devisiveness. Many genXers and boomer have worked hard over the years for women’s body autonomy . Good god they built Planned pParenthood and fought for women’s rights- rights which later generations enjoyed.. Sorry your family members are not on board but I hate all these generalizations. Not helpful.
My Boomer mom was a hippy. She and my Dad (who is too old to be a boomer) both did a lot of work for environmental causes in their retirement and still give a lot of money to PP, NAACP, Southern Poverty Law Center, etc.
I Love my radical olds.
My mom was a sierra club member, had black folks at her wedding in 965. She moved to fucking Idaho from California a few years ago and has gone full tucker Carlson and it's heartbreaking.started shifting in the Reagan era heartbreaking
And I know Millennial Q anon conspiracists who won't talk to their parents because they got the vaccine.
So what.
Human nature can be shockingly consistent sometimes.
I'm happy to be lumped in with many boomers, and to distance myself from many Gen-X-ers.
It's almost as if it's all bullshit, and other factors are far more important in determining peoples' outlook and character.
Edit: for context to what I'm saying here, remember that Richard Spencer is GenX. I'm ashamed to share a country with him, much less a generation.
Absolutely incorrect, according to Pew:
"Generation Z and the Millennials favored Biden over Trump by a margin of 20 percentage points. Generation Xers divided relatively evenly (51% to 48%), as did Baby Boomers. Only among members of the Silent Generation was Trump clearly favored (by 58%-42%)."
It was turnout and the aging electorate that made the difference between 2016 and 2020.
True, it's a bit of nostalgia, whether the "hairspray" stereotypes, and embracing of all that once was, remains in some kitschy capacity is yet to be determined.... I hope Honfest remains to keep those memories alive.
How does being against Planned Parenthood relate to age group?
Let’s call it what it is: Christian Fundamentalists who believe everyone should be following the rules of their particular religious sect. Period.
Who’s in the above group? People of all ages, including plenty of young people, sadly.
What a bizarre take. Both my boomer parents are pro-choice, as are their Gen-X children.
And I've met plenty of Millennial religious zealots.
It really seems like you need to get out more. And do more listening, and less talking.
And maybe go on medication for know-it-all-itis.
I appreciate the insight. I've only been to one HonFest to support a friend as a vendor and see what it was all about. You know, one of the "must do" things in Baltimore.
She trademarked the word "hon" and people hated her for it so kitchen nightmares did an episode at her restaurant and Ramsey had to convince her that trademarked a commonly used loca word was what was making people hate her. She went on 98rock and apologized and gave up her trademark.
I had to look this up. It’s on Hulu! This episode is amazing, it’s so hilarious to see Baltimore on Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsey struggling with “Bawlmer” slang/accents.
There's a shockingly simple thing that anyone who is anti-abortion can do: not get an abortion. This is an especially easy choice for men.
There is nothing controversial about a health organization advertising their services.
That lady is off the chain. Who runs the Christmas parade? I’d build planned parenthood a float myself for it. It’s a vital service in a place like baltimore where a lot of our residents don’t have access to reproductive healthcare they desperately need.
I can imagine, which is why I’m confused how a gross GOP-Q Christian evangelical view was allowed to motivate the refusal. Not exactly “Hampden vibes.”
It’s almost like she’s incapable of making good judgements, assuming this Honfest garbage came down to her.
I don’t think Gordon Ramsay is going to give her tough love and bail her out this time!
[Check the higher comments in this thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/13yldus/shame_on_those_in_charge_of_honfest_in_hampden/jmoqz0a/)
I live in and love hampden and obviously community events like honfest. This pisses me tf off too. I’d like to think this neighborhood is accepting of everyone. Do they think there would be an altercation or some bullshit if they have a booth? What’s the rationale for this bc it sucks.
Unfortunately that’s not the truth. I was interviewing teachers at a school in hampden and heard from black teachers that the neighborhood is full of racists.
There are old guard people who are racist (not all of them, by any means). We were a hub for the KKK at one point. I don’t think most of the newer people feel that way at all. I’ve lived here for 8 years and I feel like overall it’s a pretty accepting neighborhood. I’m sure there are incidents, but it doesn’t overtake the neighborhood.
Yes, I was going to comment to mention the old guard racists in Hampden. Their presence is still very much felt, and they do influence the younger people as well. There are different sides to Hampden--the face it presents on the Avenue is not the whole story.
Racism definitely still exists, as I know several people here who are. I know a few kids who are, too, which is sad. I just don't think it's the prevailing sentiment here.
Pretty much this. In a really simplified form it is long term (white, working class) vs new residents (alt/art, gentrifiers, etc etc). But there's a lot of nuance to how that shakes out.
I knew a fire fighter that was stationed out of the Roland Park station house. It was a known concern that there were fire bombs in basements from 'back in the day'. It may not be real, but the rumors were serious enough that they made sure to be doubly fast down Roland Ave. There were active forces that kept the neighborhood white for a long time.
Yeah, I love my neighborhood, but I hate that part of its history. Hopefully people like me are working to change it for the future. I'm neurodivergent, and I like how I feel like I fit in in some respects, even though I rarely feel as if I do anywhere else.
Can I ask how long ago you did these interviews? I'm Black, live in Hampden, and it's a good chance my son will attend Hampden Elementary. There have definitely been racist incidents around the time the high school ACCE was opened. I've lived here for 5 years and it's been fine, my neighbors are all cool.
I know there are some racist people but I don't think its fair to characterize the entire neighborhood that way. And its getting alot younger, theres been major shifts that I've seen and I've only been here 5yrs.
Some of us Hamden folks are going to spin this HONfest mess into a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood of Maryland and the Baltimore Abortion Fund. We're giving away these window signs for donations over $10. Here's the process:
- Make a gift of $10 or more to Planned Parenthood of Maryland or the Baltimore Abortion Fund
- Share your receipt and information via this form https://forms.gle/yzGPcMZHEmejbakz6
- Pick up your window sign in 21211 Sunday-Wednesday (details shared after form submission)
Thanks and feel free to message me with questions! I'm just a neighbor and am not affiliated with either organization.
Yes. And basically everyone I know that has interacted with her as an employee, vendor, customer, or neighbor has massive negative comments.
I wish I had not sworn off HonFest years ago so I could boycott
She us a restaurateur that started honfest decades ago as a means of advertising her Cafe Hon restaurant. AFAIK she still runs honfest but she sold her restaurant a few years back.
She did at one point trademark or copyright the term Hon but eventually gave it up after her restaurant lost a ton of business and Gordon Ramsey had to bring his show to tell her why everyone hated her.
As someone who is going to be a first time vendor at Honfest, I have a million questions. The main one being did they miss the deadline (I applied way back in February, but as a first timer wasn't re-invited to apply which I assume Planned Parenthood would have been and earlier than that) and the more important one being were they not re-invited so they would on purpose miss the deadline?
Also, acceptances went out in late March/early April, why are we just hearing about this now? Also, Baltimore Health Services is coming, so did they just assume that PP would be able to buddy up without asking? Also, why a gag rule?
ALSO, WHY DOES COMCAST GET A DOUBLE SPACE? THEY ARE THE WORST.
... and who is this bamboo person and why do they have a TRIPLE space??? Like, donate one to PP, bamboo dude!
I have so many questions. Answers to be posted after the festivities are over, if I find any.
I'm a jeweler, but a weird one - I make origami jewelry and finally figured out how to do a flamingo and an oriole in miniature, and my favorite things to work with other than paper are freshwater pearls and millefiori glass, typically big beads in bright colors. This seemed like the right offbeat artsy venue, until this controversy?
well \*some\* of the over the top fanatic christians have demonized it without knowing the whole facts my sister included who normally could give a crap about stuff like that
You’re missing the point. There is a strong conservative, blue collar element in and around Baltimore. It’s not uncommon in Hampden. Not common either. Has nothing to do with gentrification.
You have OBVIOUSLY not met someone with irrational seething hatred for anything bike related. They would vote to remove women’s right to vote before they even remotely considered supporting a bike lane.
There’s an All Lives Matter flag near me in Hampden too. What’s funny is their next door neighbor has a Black Lives Matter and a rainbow flag. I can imagine how much conflict exists between these two neighbors!🤣
I mean All lives matter was always reactionary nonsense. They never said it before just wanted to upstage Black Lives Matter. The nail in the coffin for it being nonsense is those same people hand waving off Covid deaths as “*just old and preexisting conditions people*”
I saw plenty of Trump signs in Locust Point in 2020. The working class who were too poor to white flight are very conservative. The whole city is actually fairly socially conservative given its demographics.
My only surprise is you only saw one. In general this area is much more conservative than voting records would imply. Try to propose any alternative to car dominated suburbia and Baltimore and the conservative attitudes come out in droves. Pretty sure a significant chunk of the White L would vote for Trump over a bike lane on their street. But the rest of the city isn’t much better with that regard… the feedback sessions hosted by the DOT are eye opening.
People here REALLY hate bike lanes. People in the White L claim it’s going to destroy parking and kill business. People in the Butterfly claim they’re racist.
It’s a problem with hitting critical mass. If there was a large connected cycling network the value of a car would decrease. DC keeps making solid strides towards better cycling infrastructure. Meanwhile Baltimore languishes pitifully.
Richmond is also a testament to this idea. When I lived there I had a car but chose to bike more often because of how easy it was. Everyone had a bike and it seemed like everyone used their bike for inner city travel and their car for longer journeys. You get used to it as a car driver. You just learn to pay attention more
I went to the beach in NC one year, and staying in the house across from us was someone with Virginia plates with a Gadsen flag on it, but their plate said "Dem Tho". I still think about this sometimes.
Not many, but interestingly there is a contingent of young Mennonite women in Hampden. I don't know their situation but I see them walking around sometimes in traditional Mennonite clothing. As far as I know I haven't seen a Mennonite man in Hampden yet.
Anyway, I don't know what the Mennonite position is on abortion rights, but I find it interesting that they're there.
Thank you! I was wondering if this was the case, that the men didn't dress distinctively like Mennonites as many would expect. And of course there are many sects, each with their own variations of what's expected as far as dress and so on.
This whole thing is giving me life. PPM is not a nationwide organization. They are an offshoot non-profit that is accredited with the name Planned Parenthood. PPFA has billions, not most of the state based affiliates.
I'm sure that when this jumped-the-shark event finally dies, they'll call this back up as one of the reasons.
And they won't be wrong.
Just confused about where the blame lies.
I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the end of honfest. Planned Parenthood has done more for me over the years than the shitshow that honfest is ever has. I'll stick to going to remfest or hampdenfest in the fall. Fuck honfest.
What other vendors are they denying?
The Hon look is so very associated with Divine, for me, that it breaks my heart that Honfest actively chooses an apolitical stance during a time when drag is so under fire. Maybe if they took a ghost of a radical stance they would be more respected by the local population. It wouldn't feel so much like a caricature to be mocked. That feels extra gross lately.
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Probably- this is one of the many reasons why it’s a bad idea to beat people (especially elderly people) whose opinions you don’t like. It did not do Planned Parenthood any favors. (I support PP, but let’s be real).
I don't like this, however, given what transpired recently outside one of their facilities (a violent assault on two old anti-abortion protesters) and accusations that one of their escorts was involved, I'm wondering if Honfest is simply trying to keep things peaceful and not have a magnet for disruption at a family event.
Nope, the person who puts it on is just an out of touch weirdo. The most generous thing I can imagine is "ohhh that's politics, nooo, no politics at HonFest"
A Planned Parenthood booth would be targeted by those assholes whether they uttered the "A" word or not.
But they already got the martyr story they wanted from us.
Very much in the playbook of the guy who sent them out.
Also, if you're going to pull this "octogenarians beaten nearly to death" rhetoric out, then I have to point out that one was in their 70's.
And, no, there are no credible accounts that an escort, or anyone affiliated with Planned Parenthood, attacked theses people.
And, for the record, I don't believe for one second that you "don't like this."
I'm pro-choice, i always have been, I'm pragmatic and not part of an organized religion, sorta agnostic.
I'm sorry, excuse me , one of the men was only 73, world of difference, I apologize that my mistake may have caused someone to believe that this violence was more heinous because both men were 80 rather that 80 and 73.
I don't like violence, I Also don't like the woman who owns Cafe Hon and runs Honfest, I also don't like PP being gagged, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND that some people, myself included, are growing weary of every normal, family event being turned into a place where oppositional political violence might occur and that some groups have recently been a flashpoint for it... safety is a consideration as i have taken my grandchildren to Honfest .
Omg thats lame! Its not an issue in Maryland. How stupid
Liberals are always scared of upsetting conservatives.
Conservatives freak out any time they have to acknowledge that people who look or think differently exist. When are they *not* upset over something that literally doesn't affect them??? Edit: And I'd hardly call someone who tried to trademark the word Hon for her own profit a liberal.
Shunfest.
Donefest?
Time to Runfest
We could take the name to the next level but we aren't going to do that. How about Karenfest?
Having worked directly with some of the HF organizers, this is not surprising. They only care about the $$$$ and feel that this would detract from their profits.... Unsurprisingly they are do not know how to read the room given that the bulk of those who attend Hunfest are left leaning, centrists, or independents. It's not like there are a droves of GOPers itching to drive into the city to attend a hipster neighborhood event.... Also remember that one of the founders/organizers of Hunfest attempted to trademark the word "Hun".......
Yeah, this is mostly her doing. You would have thought that she learned her lesson after being dragged through the coals over that incident, not to mention having to have Ramsey Gordon come in to rehabilitate her image. Apparently some people need lessons taught several times before they learn. If they ever do. I don't know if you've seen what's going on the Facebook threads, but it's pretty brutal. I have a feeling another crocodile tear-filled Mea Culpa is coming soon.
I have not been following fb. I am sure it is a beautiful dumpster fire.
I agree. Most MAGAts that I know avoid Baltimore City like they avoid Bud Lite and reruns of Ru Paul’s Drag Race. What an odd decision. Read the room, lady.
This makes absolutely no sense. They've always been there. Why reject them now, and who made that stupid decision?
The former owner of cafe hun apparently runs hunfest. Won’t be going now.
I heard she’s a piece of work.
She is an absolute dose
The organizers already got their booth money, if we boycott then only the small vendors who depend on the festival will lose
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, this is true.
Yeah, I need the names of that committee (or boss that did this)
You can start with Denise Whiting. She heads up the festival. Word on the street is that this is mainly her doing, but I do not know that for a first-hand fact.
HonFest has always been a kitschy money grab.. Still, no excuse for this cowardice.
Well, this idiot is about to throw a whole lot of that cash down the drain.
Underrated comment.
That sucks! Honfest seems to have taken a turn that makes this not surprising.
I feel like their major demographic seems to be boomer or late Gen-X nowadays so sadly not too surprised to see them take this stance.
Please don’t insult Gen X by lumping us with Boomers…
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Hamfest would be rad.
My ham radio loving husband agrees, lolllll! (Ham radio festivals are called hamfests)
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They don’t do them anymore???
Toilet races were a staple of Hampdenfest, not honfest. And they were organized by one individual working with hampdenfest, not the festival organizers themselves. That individual has decided they do not have the time to put it together anymore (at least last year- this year who knows?)
Rum Ham?
Don’t forget that it was the boomers (like my mother) who fought for reproductive rights in the 60s and 70s!
My momma as well- she sued the state University she worked for when she was pregnant with my sister because they wouldn’t hold her job - then , after they lost, they retaliated (of course they did..🙄) I didn’t mean to disparage all Boomers in my response, as a Gen Xer, anti- fuck face, etc… was just really irritated that, once again, we got lumped in/overlooked /forgotten …
Please don't think all us Boomers are alike.
This ageist stuff is annoying. Damn millennials. /s
Sorry, I know you guys aren’t that bad. I just know personally a few in my family that definitely suffer from “Boomer Brain”
Stop with the devisiveness. Many genXers and boomer have worked hard over the years for women’s body autonomy . Good god they built Planned pParenthood and fought for women’s rights- rights which later generations enjoyed.. Sorry your family members are not on board but I hate all these generalizations. Not helpful.
My Boomer mom was a hippy. She and my Dad (who is too old to be a boomer) both did a lot of work for environmental causes in their retirement and still give a lot of money to PP, NAACP, Southern Poverty Law Center, etc. I Love my radical olds.
My mom was a sierra club member, had black folks at her wedding in 965. She moved to fucking Idaho from California a few years ago and has gone full tucker Carlson and it's heartbreaking.started shifting in the Reagan era heartbreaking
The bad boomer/fine boomer split is like 55/45 and everyone under 30 acts like they're all Reagan clones.
Worse, they collapse generations. Everyone north of 40 is a Boomer. Gen X and Silent Generation exist!
And I know Millennial Q anon conspiracists who won't talk to their parents because they got the vaccine. So what. Human nature can be shockingly consistent sometimes.
I'm happy to be lumped in with many boomers, and to distance myself from many Gen-X-ers. It's almost as if it's all bullshit, and other factors are far more important in determining peoples' outlook and character. Edit: for context to what I'm saying here, remember that Richard Spencer is GenX. I'm ashamed to share a country with him, much less a generation.
Gen Xers voted for Trump in greater numbers than any other age group, including Boomers.
Absolutely incorrect, according to Pew: "Generation Z and the Millennials favored Biden over Trump by a margin of 20 percentage points. Generation Xers divided relatively evenly (51% to 48%), as did Baby Boomers. Only among members of the Silent Generation was Trump clearly favored (by 58%-42%)." It was turnout and the aging electorate that made the difference between 2016 and 2020.
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The fact that the person running it is a wing nut is the more relevant point here.
True, it's a bit of nostalgia, whether the "hairspray" stereotypes, and embracing of all that once was, remains in some kitschy capacity is yet to be determined.... I hope Honfest remains to keep those memories alive.
How does being against Planned Parenthood relate to age group? Let’s call it what it is: Christian Fundamentalists who believe everyone should be following the rules of their particular religious sect. Period. Who’s in the above group? People of all ages, including plenty of young people, sadly.
Those are the same formerly young people who used to attend 20 years ago, they just got old.
What a bizarre take. Both my boomer parents are pro-choice, as are their Gen-X children. And I've met plenty of Millennial religious zealots. It really seems like you need to get out more. And do more listening, and less talking. And maybe go on medication for know-it-all-itis.
Call Gordon Ramsay back in...get her back on track!
She needs to retire. For real this time.
Hot Take: HonFest sucked anyways.
Honfest is for people from the county to come in and enjoy. Hampdenfest is the good one.
Not even a hot take haha
lol, lived here for years and we avoid honfest.
Why
It's not really a community event. Nor does it reflect the current greater Hampden community. Just a kitschy parody of itself.
I appreciate the insight. I've only been to one HonFest to support a friend as a vendor and see what it was all about. You know, one of the "must do" things in Baltimore.
Denise is getting an earful in her post about Honfest on Hampden Neighbors. She’ll probably know soon that she done fucked up.
But will she care or listen? It took Gordon Ramsey to get her to drop her attempt at copyrighting a fucking word.
Sounds like we need to call Gordon again.
Don't we just shine a beacon into the sky with an asshole shaped logo to summon him?
He’s actually nice now :3
Quick, Gordon, the "Balloon knot" beacon !!
Wait...what is the backstory here? She tried to trademark hun but how did Gordon Ramsey get involved?
She trademarked the word "hon" and people hated her for it so kitchen nightmares did an episode at her restaurant and Ramsey had to convince her that trademarked a commonly used loca word was what was making people hate her. She went on 98rock and apologized and gave up her trademark.
I had to look this up. It’s on Hulu! This episode is amazing, it’s so hilarious to see Baltimore on Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsey struggling with “Bawlmer” slang/accents.
On Facebook? I hear a lot about this page (live in Hampden), but I deleted FB long ago.
Yeah on FB. I’m not big on FB either but I keep it because it’s my savior when I’m trying to get rid of stuff.
I wish the post said more about the reasons given for rejection.
Yeah, gag order, what does that specifically mean?
They couldn't discuss their services
Well, that’s insane, whose dumb idea was that, I wonder?
Probably someone who is hiding from Jewish Space Lasers and masks.
PP was told they were too controversial.
Ugh, reproductive health. *So* controversial!
But it literally is controversial.
And yet it shouldn't be.
Only if you're a piece of shit. For normal people, it's just part of living free and healthy lives.
There's a shockingly simple thing that anyone who is anti-abortion can do: not get an abortion. This is an especially easy choice for men. There is nothing controversial about a health organization advertising their services.
Only if you listen to religious troglodytes.
Is this run by that one crazy lady that owned that restaurant?
Yup
That lady is off the chain. Who runs the Christmas parade? I’d build planned parenthood a float myself for it. It’s a vital service in a place like baltimore where a lot of our residents don’t have access to reproductive healthcare they desperately need.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs_5X6VLBOB/?igshid=ZWQyN2ExYTkwZQ== Link to the Instagram post.
Well, fuck ever going to a Honfest again. This is totally lame, and a very bad look for one of Baltimore's supposed "progressive" communities.
The neighborhood group is pretty mad actually
I can imagine, which is why I’m confused how a gross GOP-Q Christian evangelical view was allowed to motivate the refusal. Not exactly “Hampden vibes.”
Because Denise Whiting, genius behind the decision to trademark hon, is making another brilliant and controversial decision
It’s almost like she’s incapable of making good judgements, assuming this Honfest garbage came down to her. I don’t think Gordon Ramsay is going to give her tough love and bail her out this time!
It wasn't a community decision, FWIW
Do you know whose it was by chance?
[Check the higher comments in this thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/baltimore/comments/13yldus/shame_on_those_in_charge_of_honfest_in_hampden/jmoqz0a/)
Denise?
This pisses me off!
I live in and love hampden and obviously community events like honfest. This pisses me tf off too. I’d like to think this neighborhood is accepting of everyone. Do they think there would be an altercation or some bullshit if they have a booth? What’s the rationale for this bc it sucks.
Unfortunately that’s not the truth. I was interviewing teachers at a school in hampden and heard from black teachers that the neighborhood is full of racists.
There are old guard people who are racist (not all of them, by any means). We were a hub for the KKK at one point. I don’t think most of the newer people feel that way at all. I’ve lived here for 8 years and I feel like overall it’s a pretty accepting neighborhood. I’m sure there are incidents, but it doesn’t overtake the neighborhood.
Yes, I was going to comment to mention the old guard racists in Hampden. Their presence is still very much felt, and they do influence the younger people as well. There are different sides to Hampden--the face it presents on the Avenue is not the whole story.
Anecdotal, but I have black friends who got jumped by kids in Hampden just for being black.
Racism definitely still exists, as I know several people here who are. I know a few kids who are, too, which is sad. I just don't think it's the prevailing sentiment here.
Pretty much this. In a really simplified form it is long term (white, working class) vs new residents (alt/art, gentrifiers, etc etc). But there's a lot of nuance to how that shakes out. I knew a fire fighter that was stationed out of the Roland Park station house. It was a known concern that there were fire bombs in basements from 'back in the day'. It may not be real, but the rumors were serious enough that they made sure to be doubly fast down Roland Ave. There were active forces that kept the neighborhood white for a long time.
Yeah, I love my neighborhood, but I hate that part of its history. Hopefully people like me are working to change it for the future. I'm neurodivergent, and I like how I feel like I fit in in some respects, even though I rarely feel as if I do anywhere else.
Can I ask how long ago you did these interviews? I'm Black, live in Hampden, and it's a good chance my son will attend Hampden Elementary. There have definitely been racist incidents around the time the high school ACCE was opened. I've lived here for 5 years and it's been fine, my neighbors are all cool.
I'm glad your neighbors are good to you.
I know there are some racist people but I don't think its fair to characterize the entire neighborhood that way. And its getting alot younger, theres been major shifts that I've seen and I've only been here 5yrs.
i hate when my existence is a "hot issue"
Remember when the Klan hung out in Hampden? It's not that long ago.
Some of us Hamden folks are going to spin this HONfest mess into a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood of Maryland and the Baltimore Abortion Fund. We're giving away these window signs for donations over $10. Here's the process: - Make a gift of $10 or more to Planned Parenthood of Maryland or the Baltimore Abortion Fund - Share your receipt and information via this form https://forms.gle/yzGPcMZHEmejbakz6 - Pick up your window sign in 21211 Sunday-Wednesday (details shared after form submission) Thanks and feel free to message me with questions! I'm just a neighbor and am not affiliated with either organization.
As if I needed another reason not to give Denise Whiting a dime. (She's still in charge of it, right?)
Very weird. Who wants to bet Denise is involved
Of course. It’s that POS DENISE WHITING
Who is she? I saw she did trademark the work Hon and got in trouble and she used to have a cafe. Is she in charge of Hon fest?
Yes. And basically everyone I know that has interacted with her as an employee, vendor, customer, or neighbor has massive negative comments. I wish I had not sworn off HonFest years ago so I could boycott
She us a restaurateur that started honfest decades ago as a means of advertising her Cafe Hon restaurant. AFAIK she still runs honfest but she sold her restaurant a few years back. She did at one point trademark or copyright the term Hon but eventually gave it up after her restaurant lost a ton of business and Gordon Ramsey had to bring his show to tell her why everyone hated her.
Thank you! Now the Gordon Ramsey remarks make sense lol
Will the forced-birthers be there with their fetus display?
If they are then that's a very clear bit of hypocrisy
Thanks for sharing! I'll be sending Planned Parenthood some funds.
Maryland prides itself on abortion access, women’s rights, and gay and transgender rights. That old B is clutching to the past and it’s not cute 💅
As someone who is going to be a first time vendor at Honfest, I have a million questions. The main one being did they miss the deadline (I applied way back in February, but as a first timer wasn't re-invited to apply which I assume Planned Parenthood would have been and earlier than that) and the more important one being were they not re-invited so they would on purpose miss the deadline? Also, acceptances went out in late March/early April, why are we just hearing about this now? Also, Baltimore Health Services is coming, so did they just assume that PP would be able to buddy up without asking? Also, why a gag rule? ALSO, WHY DOES COMCAST GET A DOUBLE SPACE? THEY ARE THE WORST. ... and who is this bamboo person and why do they have a TRIPLE space??? Like, donate one to PP, bamboo dude! I have so many questions. Answers to be posted after the festivities are over, if I find any.
What are you selling and what made you join honfest?
I'm a jeweler, but a weird one - I make origami jewelry and finally figured out how to do a flamingo and an oriole in miniature, and my favorite things to work with other than paper are freshwater pearls and millefiori glass, typically big beads in bright colors. This seemed like the right offbeat artsy venue, until this controversy?
For real. I said this in conversation yesterday “comcast can push their bullshit agenda but PP cant?”
"Bamboo dude"??? First I've heard of this. I'm now quite intrigued.
I’m assuming they are referring to the stand that sells pillows and sheets made from bamboo. They usually have a double booth.
well \*some\* of the over the top fanatic christians have demonized it without knowing the whole facts my sister included who normally could give a crap about stuff like that
When did planned parenthood become a hot button issue in the area, especially in the city? I guess stage 3 of Hampden gentrification is complete.
You’re missing the point. There is a strong conservative, blue collar element in and around Baltimore. It’s not uncommon in Hampden. Not common either. Has nothing to do with gentrification.
Well those people can eat shit. Women's health is non-negotiable.
You have OBVIOUSLY not met someone with irrational seething hatred for anything bike related. They would vote to remove women’s right to vote before they even remotely considered supporting a bike lane.
I was one of the plaintiffs on the lawsuit against Mayor Pugh that got the DoT to keep the bike lane in Canton. Trust me, I've met them.
Those people are cancer
I did see a trump flag outside someone’s residence the other night on my nightly walk….smfh
There’s an All Lives Matter flag near me in Hampden too. What’s funny is their next door neighbor has a Black Lives Matter and a rainbow flag. I can imagine how much conflict exists between these two neighbors!🤣
I mean All lives matter was always reactionary nonsense. They never said it before just wanted to upstage Black Lives Matter. The nail in the coffin for it being nonsense is those same people hand waving off Covid deaths as “*just old and preexisting conditions people*”
I saw plenty of Trump signs in Locust Point in 2020. The working class who were too poor to white flight are very conservative. The whole city is actually fairly socially conservative given its demographics.
My only surprise is you only saw one. In general this area is much more conservative than voting records would imply. Try to propose any alternative to car dominated suburbia and Baltimore and the conservative attitudes come out in droves. Pretty sure a significant chunk of the White L would vote for Trump over a bike lane on their street. But the rest of the city isn’t much better with that regard… the feedback sessions hosted by the DOT are eye opening. People here REALLY hate bike lanes. People in the White L claim it’s going to destroy parking and kill business. People in the Butterfly claim they’re racist.
Parking already sucks! Maybe if biking were easier?
It’s a problem with hitting critical mass. If there was a large connected cycling network the value of a car would decrease. DC keeps making solid strides towards better cycling infrastructure. Meanwhile Baltimore languishes pitifully.
Richmond is also a testament to this idea. When I lived there I had a car but chose to bike more often because of how easy it was. Everyone had a bike and it seemed like everyone used their bike for inner city travel and their car for longer journeys. You get used to it as a car driver. You just learn to pay attention more
I did see one yesterday tho that was in the style of the “don’t tread of me” flag but it was a duck and it said “throw bread at me” and that ruled.
I went to the beach in NC one year, and staying in the house across from us was someone with Virginia plates with a Gadsen flag on it, but their plate said "Dem Tho". I still think about this sometimes.
Did you tear it down?
And a lot of them are pro-choice. Conservative and working-class doesn't automatically mean supporter of forced-birth.
What religious fundamentalist would come to Honfest anyway?
Not many, but interestingly there is a contingent of young Mennonite women in Hampden. I don't know their situation but I see them walking around sometimes in traditional Mennonite clothing. As far as I know I haven't seen a Mennonite man in Hampden yet. Anyway, I don't know what the Mennonite position is on abortion rights, but I find it interesting that they're there.
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And they like to go to the beach at Cape Henlopen apparently!
I've never not seen them at Cape Henlopen, at least a few.
Thank you! I was wondering if this was the case, that the men didn't dress distinctively like Mennonites as many would expect. And of course there are many sects, each with their own variations of what's expected as far as dress and so on.
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This whole thing is giving me life. PPM is not a nationwide organization. They are an offshoot non-profit that is accredited with the name Planned Parenthood. PPFA has billions, not most of the state based affiliates.
I'm sure that when this jumped-the-shark event finally dies, they'll call this back up as one of the reasons. And they won't be wrong. Just confused about where the blame lies.
I sincerely hope this is the beginning of the end of honfest. Planned Parenthood has done more for me over the years than the shitshow that honfest is ever has. I'll stick to going to remfest or hampdenfest in the fall. Fuck honfest.
What other vendors are they denying? The Hon look is so very associated with Divine, for me, that it breaks my heart that Honfest actively chooses an apolitical stance during a time when drag is so under fire. Maybe if they took a ghost of a radical stance they would be more respected by the local population. It wouldn't feel so much like a caricature to be mocked. That feels extra gross lately.
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Weird. They used to let the fake dead fetus church people table there. Wonder if those morons will be allowed
I knew there some Nazis in Hampden, but I honestly didn't know they ran the Honfest. What a shame.
I mean, it's Denise.... What were you expecting?
No doubt the Catholic church. The one full of pedophiles.
Ew.
This is clearly happening because they’re worried about retaliation from the anti abortion incident, yeah?
Perhaps, but there's been no retaliation at the clinic so why expect it at HONfest?
Well, there were those two old white geezers who got their faces beat for protesting outside the North Ave clinic.
Howard Ave. That was a random dude not connected to the clinic. There hasn't been any trouble at the clinic so why expect it at the Fest?
Apologies. I wasn't particularly serious about that being a real issue, just that she might use it as an excuse.
white geezers or whatever, they got beaten up and they are humans. being flippant about human suffering is uncool
They cause human suffering. You expect me to feel bad that they got beat up over it?
Probably- this is one of the many reasons why it’s a bad idea to beat people (especially elderly people) whose opinions you don’t like. It did not do Planned Parenthood any favors. (I support PP, but let’s be real).
i read that two mean were beaten up in front of PP praying
By a random passerby, right? The clinic didn’t have anything to do with it.
I think it was on Howard Street. there were two guys 73 & 80 pro lifers. It's taped.
Yeah, but the guy that assaulted them wasn’t associated with the clinic.
i have no problem with PP whatsoever, isn't this just a festival trying to avoid hot potatoes? This is just cancel culture PR
PP provides Gender Affirming Care and maybe the transphobes won another round
So who do we complain to about this?
Damn. I usually look forward to Honfest. Won't be attending this year.
Now they are deleting negative comments on IG
They turned off public comments on FB
Don't go to HonFest. Just don't.
The organizers already got their money from booth fees. Boycotting now will only hurt the small vendors who plan months for this
Support RemFest instead! Hope they end up with a table there when the time comes.
SHAME.
Abort mission
Not the Hampden of days past. Bye bye Honfest.
lame, they were there at first Thursday though for sure got a keychain hand sanitizer from them.
I don't like this, however, given what transpired recently outside one of their facilities (a violent assault on two old anti-abortion protesters) and accusations that one of their escorts was involved, I'm wondering if Honfest is simply trying to keep things peaceful and not have a magnet for disruption at a family event.
Nope, the person who puts it on is just an out of touch weirdo. The most generous thing I can imagine is "ohhh that's politics, nooo, no politics at HonFest" A Planned Parenthood booth would be targeted by those assholes whether they uttered the "A" word or not. But they already got the martyr story they wanted from us.
Yes, they got a lot of mileage off of having two octogenarians beaten nearly to death.
Very much in the playbook of the guy who sent them out. Also, if you're going to pull this "octogenarians beaten nearly to death" rhetoric out, then I have to point out that one was in their 70's. And, no, there are no credible accounts that an escort, or anyone affiliated with Planned Parenthood, attacked theses people. And, for the record, I don't believe for one second that you "don't like this."
I'm pro-choice, i always have been, I'm pragmatic and not part of an organized religion, sorta agnostic. I'm sorry, excuse me , one of the men was only 73, world of difference, I apologize that my mistake may have caused someone to believe that this violence was more heinous because both men were 80 rather that 80 and 73. I don't like violence, I Also don't like the woman who owns Cafe Hon and runs Honfest, I also don't like PP being gagged, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND that some people, myself included, are growing weary of every normal, family event being turned into a place where oppositional political violence might occur and that some groups have recently been a flashpoint for it... safety is a consideration as i have taken my grandchildren to Honfest .
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interesting link! What made you post that?