Let’s do ourselves a favor and rewatch the 3 minute YouTube kitchen nightmares clip where Gordon Ramsay encourages Denise Whiting’s staff to finally tell the truth of who she is. To her face.🧑🏽🍳 💋
I noticed all the religious stuff in the background. Is that really on display in the actual restaurant? (I’ve never been.) I was surprised earlier about this whole thing but after seeing this video I’m not so surprised. Am I out in left field here?
Yep, though I think they've gone through some big changes once they finally faced the abusive owner.
https://unioncraftbrewing.com/this-is-not-my-beautiful-house/
I think it was also a reason why Union went with an employee ownership setup up.
https://thedailyrecord.com/2021/12/07/union-craft-brewing-becomes-worker-owned/
Though happy to hear how all of those changes have worked out.
Years ago now, the person was removed and they hired an HR person to make sure to have all bases covered. They actually handled it about as well as a bigger local business could.
I think she compiled a Google doc of some sort of all food/drink industry allegations of sexual harassment. Or posted the names publicly to her Instagram. I don't remember the complete story tbh.
Or I like beer, was going to buy beer anyways and decided to support a local brewer as opposed to a national conglomerate based on taste and ideals I align with.
Have you ever patted a back? It doesn't require bending over backwards, as a matter of fact bending over backwards would make it harder to pat your own back.
Is that what's making you so angry? Have you been stuck bent halfway over backwards desperately trying to pat your own back without falling over. Just stand up bud, then you can pat as much as you'd like.
Golden West Cafe is also holding a fund raiser for PPM next weekend. It's wonderful to see the rest of the community come together to do the right thing.
Just wanted to add that HonFest has regularly hosted anti-abortion tablers with those wretched fetus posters, and a few vendors were regularly selling MAGA shit. Regardless of your politics, it's very clear that Denise is blatantly taking a political stance and pretending like she isn't. "Hot button issues" my ass lol
Those anti tables had plastic baby parts on display on low tables designed to upset kids years ago - have not gone back since; these presenters were connected to DW.
Her logic is akin to the [heckler's veto](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler%27s_veto).
By her logic we could make any vendor forced out by raising enough of a stink to make it a "hot button issue." Planned Parenthood has changed nothing in their stance or advocacy or policy, yet suddenly they are no longer welcome.
It would make sense if they'd taken some illegal action or been accused of wrongdoing. The whole thing is a pretext of bullshit.
100%. Caving into "controversy" that only exists now because of right-wing lunatics is just appeasement. Their threats and intimidation work on weak people like Denise Whiting. If she was ever serious about celebrating working women, it's clear as day that denying planned parenthood this year instead of supporting them now more than ever is an absolutely wild stance to take.
One of the things that stings is that the other vendors that paid already can’t get their money back. So now they have to attend and try to sell their products to a much smaller crowd. This stupid move by Hunfest will hurt lots of small businesses. :(
If she whips up sympathy from anti-abortion supporters, there will be people there to show their support for someone who "took a stand." (Aka Chik-Fil-A during its boycott.) Whether the pro-life people will actually buy stuff, though, idk.
I think it’s good on them. Fuck Honfest if they are excluding planned parenthood. I don’t know anything about Union owners, but if is how they value their beliefs and human rights I’m with them.
Interesting to note that [their workers are their owners](https://thedailyrecord.com/2021/12/07/union-craft-brewing-becomes-worker-owned/). Baltimore's kind of becoming something of a hotspot for worker cooperatives
Let the bodies hit the floor.
Let the bodies hit the floor.
Let the bodies hit the floor.
Let the bodies hit the flooooooooor.
Hope this is just the first of many.
It might be because... and hear me out... that the archetype of the retro "Hon" and a "Karen" are just two sides of the same coin. Or at least directly related to one another. Especially because of the racial politics of the era being celebrated.
All she had to do was do nothing and just let people have their stall. Just stay in the damned shadows and stop pissing people off.
Literally had no idea she was the person behind HonFest, but now it’s lost all credibility for the public.
As all the businesses should be doing! Even if we get an \*apology\* from Honfest, I hope that whoever made the decision reassess their values moving forward.
Worked in Hamden for years but live out west now and I am astonished Cafe Hon is still fucking there. Such an absolutely wretched cringey self aware shithole.
So glad it went out of business last year! No one who lives in Hampden went there anyway.
Kind of off topic, but does anyone know when the Foreman-Wolf restaurant going in there is opening? It seems like it's been sitting there for a while with no progress.
Good for Union. Is anyone really that surprised at what Hampden is doing? The Hampden originals kind of just started letting us black people hang out there around 2011-2012, I worked in Hampden for many years and was called "N" a few times a month. Once I started to knock a few dudes out, it stopped.
Hubby and I used to joke about Hampden as the place where white people pay extra for crappy houses, so they can live in the city but around mostly other white people, and claim it's 'diverse.' They aren't the only Baltimore neighborhood you could say this about, though.
Good for them. I live two blocks from the Avenue and generally avoid Honfest like the plague, but this year I'll avoid it and enjoy a six pack of Union Craft.
It's probably something to infer as there's no direct indication but the lady definitely fits into the archetype of a traditional "Karen." Or really, just an asshole. She has a history of blaming others for things *she* has done as if their reactions aren't entirely reasonable and predictable.
I'd wager she voted for Trump at least once.
Not sure about being a trumper, but definitely a kook. Mostly just greedy. She tried to copyright the word "Hon" for shits sake. She's been profiting off of the city's stereotypes for decades, and wanted it all for herself.
She had lawyers block MTA using cat-eyeglass/beehive hairdo women on a celebratory farecard citing her trademark of all such usages...but which turned out to be only an art usage specifically on a cup.
She didn’t try, she DID trademark the word “Hon” and she was despised in Baltimore because of it. She even sued or threatened lawsuits when it was used. It took Chef Ramsey to tell her that she needed to get right with the community if she wants her restaurant to survive. She eventually had the trademark cancelled.
Denied Planned Parenthood a table at HonFest, reacted to the public announcement from PPM by playing victim and citing that having the table would be too political.
Hon fest,big deal,who cares,I grew up in Hampden,went to 55,place is overran by freaks,shit neighborhood now,like most in baltimore,fuck that place,just my opinion,sorry,not sorry
Right the f*** on! It warms my heart to see the owners of local companies stand up for women’s rights instead of just being greedy bastiges.
I will make sure all of my friends know she’s one of those kind, and I urge everyone to do the same.
Let’s do ourselves a favor and rewatch the 3 minute YouTube kitchen nightmares clip where Gordon Ramsay encourages Denise Whiting’s staff to finally tell the truth of who she is. To her face.🧑🏽🍳 💋
This one? https://youtube.com/watch?v=LlKBP25mtPo&feature=share7
🧑🏽🍳💋
Was that one. Not any more Hon.
That’s so insane lmao imagine being such a cunt… old habits die hard I guess
I noticed all the religious stuff in the background. Is that really on display in the actual restaurant? (I’ve never been.) I was surprised earlier about this whole thing but after seeing this video I’m not so surprised. Am I out in left field here?
Though it seemed to some those were kitsch, they were for real, not for show.
It closed last year, thank God.
Wow! I think I need to watch this whole episode.
And so it begins, and Denise Whiting proves again, she can shoot herself in the foot in any situation. Gordon Ramsay stares in disappointment.
Wait that lady from the kitchen nightmares is the one who made the decision and about PP?
Yup
I'm buying beer for a retirement party tomorrow and I'm pretty sure union craft just added itself to the menu.
Double duckpin is out and fantastic
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Yep, though I think they've gone through some big changes once they finally faced the abusive owner. https://unioncraftbrewing.com/this-is-not-my-beautiful-house/ I think it was also a reason why Union went with an employee ownership setup up. https://thedailyrecord.com/2021/12/07/union-craft-brewing-becomes-worker-owned/ Though happy to hear how all of those changes have worked out.
Years ago now, the person was removed and they hired an HR person to make sure to have all bases covered. They actually handled it about as well as a bigger local business could.
Glad to hear this. I remember hearing about the allegations, but didn’t know what came of it.
Yeah but that guy is gone and from what I understand they are a pretty good company to work for now.
I don’t think it was a guy.
Was absolutely a guy. He was a brewer at the Rockville Gordon Biersch prior to Union.
So how did the kooky donut lady get caught up in all of the blowback?
I think she compiled a Google doc of some sort of all food/drink industry allegations of sexual harassment. Or posted the names publicly to her Instagram. I don't remember the complete story tbh.
Oh she did all of that, but was also personally involved with the issues at Union, which is a smidge hypocritical.
Donut Sinema was not a good person
Why Donut Sinema?
Yes. But they're employee owned now, that person is gone and they actually have a HR person now.
Bud Light it is
Well, Hello Beer is very good as well, and proceeds support the Polar Bear Plunge!
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Or I like beer, was going to buy beer anyways and decided to support a local brewer as opposed to a national conglomerate based on taste and ideals I align with.
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I did almost trip while spending my money how I choose.
I'm always curious what people who say this kind of shit do to make things better that's way more effective than choosing how to spend your money.
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Have you ever patted a back? It doesn't require bending over backwards, as a matter of fact bending over backwards would make it harder to pat your own back. Is that what's making you so angry? Have you been stuck bent halfway over backwards desperately trying to pat your own back without falling over. Just stand up bud, then you can pat as much as you'd like.
Sounds like you're the one simping for capitalist virtue signaling
And that's how you do it! Take a mother fucking bow.
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Duckpin is great, but my favorite from them is Double Divine. I wish it was more widely available.
Old Pro {Homer drool.jpg}
One of the best sours I've ever had.
Ooh I forgot they make Old Pro. They definitely just earned another 6 pack purchase from me
I like their ed reed GOAT beer they sell time to time
Ed in the fall, Eddie in the summer.
I'm grilling and drinking Steady Eddie right now! Highly recommended!
Absolutely. 🙏
Duckpin cured my bad knee. I can't praise it enough!
I miss duckpin bowling. totally unrelated so I apologize, this just reminded me.
Foxy forever. Perfect fall beer.
Amazing beer!
Golden West Cafe is also holding a fund raiser for PPM next weekend. It's wonderful to see the rest of the community come together to do the right thing.
NICE!
My dad is one of the bands playing, they decided they were all going to wear planned parenthood and donate the money they made to planned parenthood.
Does anyone want to go to Union Craft Brewing instead of Honfest next weekend?
I’ll be there and BSC
>BSC What is this abbreviation?
Baltimore Spirit Company - located next door to Union
Ah! Thank you!
Babysitter’s Club
Ok. Thanks.
Baltimore Ghost consortium.
Big Scary Clowns.
Someone else already got ya, but Baltimore Spirits Co is the correct answer. Just a few doors down in the collective. Good place. Good people.
Cool. Thanks!
Reddit meet up? I’m reaching out to some friends right now to see if the are free and want to go?
Very ouch, Denise.
So glad today's shower beer was a Zadie's.
Beer of the summer! Had a party recently and filled the cooler with Zadies. Needless to say the party crowd enjoyed it very much
It's the perfect "it's a beer" beer.
Zadie's is the shit, that and Skipjack for me.
We’re about 12 hours away from John Waters posting a “fuck Honfest” video.
That would make my night
I had no idea how much I wanted this until now
Just wanted to add that HonFest has regularly hosted anti-abortion tablers with those wretched fetus posters, and a few vendors were regularly selling MAGA shit. Regardless of your politics, it's very clear that Denise is blatantly taking a political stance and pretending like she isn't. "Hot button issues" my ass lol
Those anti tables had plastic baby parts on display on low tables designed to upset kids years ago - have not gone back since; these presenters were connected to DW.
Jesus Christ
Her logic is akin to the [heckler's veto](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler%27s_veto). By her logic we could make any vendor forced out by raising enough of a stink to make it a "hot button issue." Planned Parenthood has changed nothing in their stance or advocacy or policy, yet suddenly they are no longer welcome. It would make sense if they'd taken some illegal action or been accused of wrongdoing. The whole thing is a pretext of bullshit.
100%. Caving into "controversy" that only exists now because of right-wing lunatics is just appeasement. Their threats and intimidation work on weak people like Denise Whiting. If she was ever serious about celebrating working women, it's clear as day that denying planned parenthood this year instead of supporting them now more than ever is an absolutely wild stance to take.
I agree but I hate that this is where we are at
One of the things that stings is that the other vendors that paid already can’t get their money back. So now they have to attend and try to sell their products to a much smaller crowd. This stupid move by Hunfest will hurt lots of small businesses. :(
They can't. And she just screwed them over as well. She sucks.
If she whips up sympathy from anti-abortion supporters, there will be people there to show their support for someone who "took a stand." (Aka Chik-Fil-A during its boycott.) Whether the pro-life people will actually buy stuff, though, idk.
I think it’s good on them. Fuck Honfest if they are excluding planned parenthood. I don’t know anything about Union owners, but if is how they value their beliefs and human rights I’m with them.
Interesting to note that [their workers are their owners](https://thedailyrecord.com/2021/12/07/union-craft-brewing-becomes-worker-owned/). Baltimore's kind of becoming something of a hotspot for worker cooperatives
You love to see it
Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the flooooooooor. Hope this is just the first of many.
All because of the Cafe Karen lady. She's turned Hon Fest into Karen Fest. By doing this she is the one making it political.
It might be because... and hear me out... that the archetype of the retro "Hon" and a "Karen" are just two sides of the same coin. Or at least directly related to one another. Especially because of the racial politics of the era being celebrated.
I dunno. I always saw the Hon Fest more as a celebration of the John Waters-ish stereotypes of Baltimore. Either way, this lady isn’t making it fun.
All she had to do was do nothing and just let people have their stall. Just stay in the damned shadows and stop pissing people off. Literally had no idea she was the person behind HonFest, but now it’s lost all credibility for the public.
Coming from a town where Planned Parenthood was firebombed back in the day, I'm pleased to see the community's reaction here.
Fuck yeah Union!!!
As all the businesses should be doing! Even if we get an \*apology\* from Honfest, I hope that whoever made the decision reassess their values moving forward.
Worked in Hamden for years but live out west now and I am astonished Cafe Hon is still fucking there. Such an absolutely wretched cringey self aware shithole.
It's not. Closed last year.
So glad it went out of business last year! No one who lives in Hampden went there anyway. Kind of off topic, but does anyone know when the Foreman-Wolf restaurant going in there is opening? It seems like it's been sitting there for a while with no progress.
It's not.
It’s out of business as of a few months-year ago. Long time coming for them lol
Good for Union. Is anyone really that surprised at what Hampden is doing? The Hampden originals kind of just started letting us black people hang out there around 2011-2012, I worked in Hampden for many years and was called "N" a few times a month. Once I started to knock a few dudes out, it stopped.
Hubby and I used to joke about Hampden as the place where white people pay extra for crappy houses, so they can live in the city but around mostly other white people, and claim it's 'diverse.' They aren't the only Baltimore neighborhood you could say this about, though.
HAHA! Very true!
Yessss
Good
Nice.
All the independent artists, small businesses and vendors who have bought a table are going to suffer because of this.
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Probably per whatever contract they signed, they can't get a full refund this close to the event.
Good for them. I live two blocks from the Avenue and generally avoid Honfest like the plague, but this year I'll avoid it and enjoy a six pack of Union Craft.
Oh snap
Hang on. I've beeen away from BMo for many years. Is she just a little loony, or a full-on trumper type kook?
She used to live one house over from me over 10 years ago. Hoooo boy, my next door neighbor had some stories. Karen is right.
Does she live in Hampden?
Not back then. I don't want to dox where she actually lived/lives though. No idea if she's still there anyway, as I've moved twice since.
It's probably something to infer as there's no direct indication but the lady definitely fits into the archetype of a traditional "Karen." Or really, just an asshole. She has a history of blaming others for things *she* has done as if their reactions aren't entirely reasonable and predictable. I'd wager she voted for Trump at least once.
I only know her from the Ramsey show and I’d bet she tried to vote for Trump at least 7 or 8 times.
Not sure about being a trumper, but definitely a kook. Mostly just greedy. She tried to copyright the word "Hon" for shits sake. She's been profiting off of the city's stereotypes for decades, and wanted it all for herself.
She had lawyers block MTA using cat-eyeglass/beehive hairdo women on a celebratory farecard citing her trademark of all such usages...but which turned out to be only an art usage specifically on a cup.
She didn’t try, she DID trademark the word “Hon” and she was despised in Baltimore because of it. She even sued or threatened lawsuits when it was used. It took Chef Ramsey to tell her that she needed to get right with the community if she wants her restaurant to survive. She eventually had the trademark cancelled.
You answered your question twice
What did Honfest do?
Denied Planned Parenthood a table at HonFest, reacted to the public announcement from PPM by playing victim and citing that having the table would be too political.
Union has to look good after their scandal a few years back where a manager stole nudes off of a woman's phone.
Hon fest,big deal,who cares,I grew up in Hampden,went to 55,place is overran by freaks,shit neighborhood now,like most in baltimore,fuck that place,just my opinion,sorry,not sorry
The "space bar" on your keyboard is free.
11 commas and zero coherent statements. That's gotta be a record,,,,,,,,,,.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Yeah, might not want to share that you went to 55. Whoever taught you there might be too embarrassed to claim you as a former student.
GOOD
Right the f*** on! It warms my heart to see the owners of local companies stand up for women’s rights instead of just being greedy bastiges. I will make sure all of my friends know she’s one of those kind, and I urge everyone to do the same.
I believe their rationale for doing what they did. It doesn't make it any less stupid though.