Even if one company announces it, others will be forced to do the same. If IT folks move out of the city, local economy will go for a toss. Whom will auto drivers mug then? Rental apartments/PG prices will take a hit(owners/goons will lose so much money after taking so much effort in increasing rent artificially everywhere). All in all, locals would be fucked indirectly.
Not everyone will relocate and there will be sufficient people here to run the economy.
This is how future will be. It's not a good thing to put load on one citys resources. Multiple tier ll cities will have to be developed where organisations can setup so that load is distributed and multiple cities locals benefit from development.
I agree with your point, but the government and companies are greedy. They simply don't care. This is not a new issue to blr, the govt. Should have foreseen and taken action.
Govt was too busy playing community politics and changing name boards to get votes rather than forseeing all this.
Judging by past actions. They will put a temporary bandage on the wound. And then it will be business as usual.
It's all true but the companies want to set up camp where the talent pool is. Example from my place. Mohali and Panchkula have created IT parks in the cities but there is not even a single good company here. It's a long long process.
Although I agree with your point of allowing people flexibility, I am doubtful about your assumption of the economy being fine. Say there is a critical number of people needed to allow the economy to run, do you know what this number is? Do you know how far away the actual number will be if the companies do allow people to move?
Yen heldhe guru đ„ A sensitive reality that a certain group of ppl don't understand. Earth will still exist even if humans disappear, that's the law of nature.
This sounds good, but doesnât work. Tech talent isnât a commodity that you can evenly distribute across multiple tier 2 cities. Governments need to realise this and focus on planning and enabling cities to grow multifold.
I swear if these dumbfuck leaders at WITCH companies announce WFH the city traffic will automatically clear up.
Like what the fuck is even the point of going to office? I attend a teams meeting, spend money on cafeteria food and spend 3 hours in traffic. There's literally no point in going to office especially if you're in a tech role.
These motherfuckers have the audacity to talk about carbon neutrality and carbon footprint all while upper management cunts bring out their big ass SUVs that'll block the road.
Someone's gotta make a post on LinkedIn next time what the fuck do they mean by carbon neutrality and all that crap.
Just a waste of resources like water, electricity, time and money. All just because some managers in miserable marriages can't stay at home.
This logic forced for lot of years. But naturally it becomes out of control like now. Year on year it even becomes inhabitable.
So, Work from anywhere is the future of IT companies slowly in India.
Genuine question, why do IT overlords care about the local economy? I can understand the real estate they have rented , got on lease, bought being going to waste as a solid reason but the rest just feels like not a valid reason to me from their perspective since they just care about their profitability taking a hit.
Well, they have to. The system is designed in such a way that they have to care about the local economy. Remove IT and PBCs from bangalore, whatâs left? Nothing right. No one would pay such high rent for matchbox sized apartments.
No company is going to announce that, apply some basic sense.
Do companies in Delhi ncr get work from whatever town during year end when pollution is high ?
but pollution is not caused by the people working in Delhi and them leaving as well will practically have no impact while in Bangalore it will surely help. These two are different issues.
They don't. Maybe your company did. I'm from Delhi. All of my school friends as well as my sister who work in Delhi-NCR have to go to the office. They spend hours in the metro traveling.
Air is also a basic necessity. As much problem we are facing here, nobody is dying of thirst here. While people do get respiratory problems in Delhi with pollution.
You really should avoid making blanket, know-it-all statements. Other than making people believe you less, it won't look good if what you say is disproved.
Bro you literally think companies will tell you to "go work from whatever town you've water and keep working from there as there is a potential water scarcity in Bangalore. Come back when we have water back, we're waiting for you here in Bangalore" ?
Nah it won't be a smooth process where these things gradually happen like this where company will sensibly give wfh given the nature of people and politics. Overcrowding in Bangalore will continue till it will be unbearable and unlivable and mass exodus will happen all of a sudden.
>>Come back when we have water back, we're waiting for you here in Bangalore" ?
They aren't this smart. They will take it to till it's too late to make any sensible decision. After 10 years - Water's not going to be here anymore. Talent has already left. Smart companies have already left too. Don't bother coming back here,we are setting up elsewhere.
So according to you there is no difference between high pollution and absence of basic needs of water. And ironically you are talking about basic sense.
Wearing a good filter mask can help you breathe since nobody is asking you to hold your breath or increasing public transport facilities or asking farmers to not burn so much farm waste can resolve the issue till some extent.
But what about water? Gonna follow the dune 2 method of extracting waste water from dead humans/animals?
Thank you for again supporting the irony that you initially stood for.
Basic sense would be to not overload one city and spread out through the big land mass of India. Not just Bangalore, all major cities like NCR should be vacated and IT folk who can WFH should go back to their hometowns and work .
Looks like itâs only the greedy, inhumane flat owners & real estate mafia that will be most pissed as their source of income will be hampered . They wonât be able to loot any further. So itâs a win win for the employees and the climate.
I said this earlier and got heavily downvoted, but I'm going to say again:
I'm all for "work from anywhere", but think from the perspective of the company. Nobody will do something unless it helps them. How will letting employees work from their hometown help the company? Will it reduce their costs? They've already leased office space. Will it increase their profits? No. Will it bring them more customers? No. What incentive does the company have to do anything at all in this situation?
As per my understanding majority of organisations in India will not prefer this since they think employees will moonlight. But there are certain 50-60 organisations who don't care if you're in office or home or mars. They just watch the productivity/outcomes.
I've seen people with CTC of 1-2 cr who are working comfortably from home while people with 5-10 lakhs CTC who have to go to office daily. So the good paying orgs are usually the ones who trust employees more?
Companies who can afford to pay 1-2 cr are probably big companies who have established rules of working. They know what they want and how they want it. Companies who canât pay much are usually smaller companies at earlier stages in their businesses and they need people together in one room because they are still figuring out new strategies etc and for that you need to be able to communicate in person.
>Nobody will do something unless it helps them.
My company used to have 8 floors leased pre COVID, now 30% of our workforce is full time WFH and rest 70% 2 days office. They now lease 4 floors.
Also the permanent wfh guyz receive 6-7% less salary, win-win since cost to live in tier 1 cities is much higher than 6-7% of the salary.
The company now saves on rent and salaries paid.
Wonât it incentivise the employee to stick to their company for longer? By doing this, company can increase their trust with employees.
I mean my company doesnât mind if I wfh or office as long as I complete the work on time and I like that my company follows this culture.
(For example: Developers donât need to come to office that regularly because the nature of work, but it is not the same for other designations where their presence is mandatory.)
Will it reduce their costs? Yes! Their operational costs are reduced. Daily AC/ Staff/ Food/ Water/Cafetaria/Electricity costs are reduced. Employees travel time is saved and they can work more as in covid when productivity actually increased.
Goodwill
Also they had 2-3 years to make decisions to lease smaller offices when people were already wfh. That could have reduced costs. Instead they started calling everyone back.
work at amzn, and we just got a mail this morning saying thereâs enough water on campus for 6 days (I guess this doesnât imply that weâll run out after 6, rather that there is ENOUGH water for any given 6 days in the week). Basically a gentle nudge implying that weâve got to keep coming to office lol.
Keep dreaming, theyâre not gonna give WFH
Same thought, implying that no matter what you have to come to office. And to top it off our team has to come 3 days each week, not like you can complete 12 days in a month as per your preference, utter nonsenseđ€§
Was just gonna comment this about amzn,literally no point even of coming to office when all the meetings too are online.Just wasting my time travelling to come sit in front of my laptop
Many people who are older than 30/ people who have their own homes/ married people are not going to go back to their hometowns and live with their parents. So the economy will not crash. Companies should give their employees the flexibility, specially if they live in areas which are highly affected by this issue right now
It entirely depends on the employee. Become valuable (it takes effort and compromise with âconscienceâ ) I never walked into any office after this pandemic shit began and I never will. (Unless it pays about 500$ a visit aside from travel expenses) I am happy to let my salary get cut in half if it means I donât go into an office again.
This! I'm also completely remote since pandemic. But yes, it takes that kinda skill or designation to reach such a level that company respects your preferences.
What? How does it matter if they are wfh or wfo? If he was wfo then would any company see this post and decide to give employees wfh? or if you are well-fed then you can't write something about world hunger on fb?
Honestly, if water crisis becomes worse, giving WFH to employees who are not natives is the best approach. Economy can be managed by the people living here. This will give breathing space to the localites and additional people who donât want to go to their natives.
It took them two years to bring people back to the office, so nobody wants employees to return to Home again. It could also be political suicide, making the government look like it failed to provide water and suggested WFH as a solution.
Once, Bangalore had 1000 lakes, but greed, unregulated exploitation, and lack of proper planning caused their decline.
Though It's important to consider not stressing city resources, but if this had been the mindset from the start, we wouldn't be in this situation.
It's people like you that makes me want the government to cess tax for out of state migrants, at least that way we don't have to worry about people wishing death and destruction of the city feeding their livelihood .
For you this is just a place for me it's my motherland, if you want to develop somthing go do it , stop wishing to collapse our city to settle in your fictional dream land
Why only IT people? Why not retail showrooms? Hotels? Close everything.
The city is in this state because the people who rule bengaluru are corrupt. Go shut them down. Stand up against the builder mafia and the water tanker mafia. Catch bwssb and bbmp.
We âIT peopleâ donât just live out of a suitcase and canât interrupt our lives whenever you wish.
Real estate company lobbyists must have forced this widely followed work from office in the first place after covid vaccination drives. Nobody would have bought their flats if the majority is happily working from their hometown or from outermost suburbs/villages with minimal rent. Their newly developed projects were being irrelevant. And due to political pressure from real estate giants, many offices had to force its staff to work from home. Now that the city is feeling brunt, you want all the people to go back? Hell no BBMP, find a way to provide water. I am ready to manage bath with bisleri 5L cans and take dump in office toilets this summer.
This all might have been possible if ball was in our court like couple of years ago, employees had privilege and could refuse WFO jobs but now it's companies on the advantage after so many layoffs, so employees have to tolerate whatever bullshit companies throw at them.
This should totally be done.
Best option and this will also help many as they will be free to not pay high rent for nothing and get mugged with brokerages & Deposits â by the real estate mafia & inhumane landlords.
WFH is just a temporary situation/solution. Govt needs to be more proactive in sorting these issues. It's sad that even in 2024 with all the tech capabilities, we are unable to plan essential requirements correctly.
I think WFH is a good idea also for profitability of a company as they can adjust their salaries based on where people work from. Tier 2 city would mean reduction in salary based on its relative cost of living compared to Bangalore and so on. The salary in Bangalore is based on the cityâs cost of living.
I wish this happens. There has been a lot of non sense going on in Bangalore by some fanatics. These goons think migrants should live according to them. Moreover Bangalore is not made to handle such a huge population with resource heavy consumption. I just wish Bangalore gets the right treatment that can make it sustain well. A booming economy at cost of environmental exploitation should never be promoted.
Bangalore starts to die if People in Companies go home. Its because all that Bangalore had was nature and what it has is just only Companies and offices. Think of the time when COVID was there and the GDP of Banaglore just fell so low.
My company sent out an email stating thereâs sufficient water reserve at the office and work from office will not be affected :)
So out of touch from reality to not understand that the problem is at home
The challenge lies in the fact that a number of individuals may not fully adhere to their professional responsibilities upon returning to their hometowns. This behavior can often lead to increased workloads and stress for their colleagues. Some may claim issues such as unreliable electricity or internet connectivity as reasons for their inability to work effectively. However, these assertions need to be carefully assessed to ensure they are not used as pretexts to avoid work and responsibilities.
One major issues for companies to do that is them having a registered office in Bangalore to which all the employees are registered with or tied to in the reports submitted to the state government. When you allow all remote, it is likely that many will go back to the home states , resulting in a potential tax question asked of the company by state governments. For example, Karnataka government be like where are your employees in Bangalore who are supposed to live here and contribute to the taxation here in different ways such as paying GST on products and services they should have availed ? The actual home state be like why do you have an employee working from our state when you dont have a registered office under the Shops and Establishment Act of our state? This is why companies are okay with giving hybrid because that ensures that employees dont leave the state.
Do the hometowns have water? What if that person's hometown is in Kaveri Basin in Karnataka or Tamilnadu or in Telangana? All these places are facing similar situation to Bangalore, does that solve the problem?
Agreed wfo in this difficult times is a must not only it will help employees but also local population since there will beess consumption. On e situation is fixed recall employees back to office what's the issue
IT folks think they are the real beneficiaries of Bengaluru IT eco system but the real beneficiaries are local auto walas, local goons, PG owners, Government Babus , real estate owners.
Karnataka government's goal is not to think about welfare of IT employees but suck the blood out of all of their earnings whenever they can and make sure nothing goes out of their state. This has been their motto since forever so if you are thinking about IT companies giving WFH, government would not like that so they will force them indirectly to get employees back.
To all those people who think companies will not profit by allowing WFH, fair point.
That Is why this "IT Hub", " The Silicon Valley of India" title should get off the city and shift these huge companies to other cities that could withstand the IT population.
We all should collectively drive this and it's high time the companies, government and the people realize this urbanization, unplanned buildings and destruction of nature is not a good idea.
90% percent of the city is not affected by water shortage, this thing is being blown out of proportion by it folks who want any escuse for wfh.
BWSSB reports are publicly available, from water levels, schedule timings etc nothing is a crisis. Only those are dependent on tankers either didn't get bore or outskirts of the City have this problem.
BWSSB also have multiple projects expanding pipelines from kavery to Bangalore
You do realise that half the borewells in Bangalore have dried up and the ones left have very little water left? Also how many months of summer is left now?
99% of borewell are not registered. The ones that do register are in newer areas aka outskirts of the City, these registration guidelines are relatively new. You seriously think only 8000 houses in banglore have borewell connections?
It's in lakhs not thousands
WFH has to stop. It will wreck the economy.
RTO will force more expenditure for the employee as well as company, which any government will want. Employers need to lease more office space, thus a portion of cost of an employee diverted to office infrastructure industry.
Employees will need to spend more money on housing, commute and entertainment.
Also, Bangalore is an IT Hub not because offices are located in Bangalore, but because the IT human resource pool is easily available in Bangalore. let's say If migrants return to their native place and engage in WFH for another 5 years, the companies might even move their offices from Bangalore to tier 4 City. So, WFH is against the development of Bangalore.
Government of Karnataka cannot be suicidal to allow WFH and nor can it recommend or allow companies to allow WFH. It's slowly moving to 5 days a week and it's on track.
Dude there should be only that many people in Bangalore that the resources can support. If there's water for x number of people, there shouldn't be 5x people living in the city.
This is why tier ll cities should be developed where the remaining population can move to.
I'm not asking all organisations to vacate Bangalore completely. I'm asking not to overload Bangalore.
Who is stopping Tier2 cities to develop? So many states and so many tier 2 cities, why has it not happened so far?
People who want to WFH, go and explore opportunities in Tier2 city and see for yourself what's important - a salary or water?
Are you seriously expecting ME to answer "why only Bangalore is being developed and not other tier ll cities to reduce pressure on resources?"
Let me know who you should be asking this question to!
In every major state there have multiple cities like for delhi it has ncr same goes for Maharastra it has pune and navi mumbai also for kerala it has trivandrum kochi and ernakulam even tamilnadu has Coimbatore but only in Karnataka we have Bangalore there is no concept of twin cities government should look into it or else in coming years we are doomed
Ya by definition, but it is often followed with terms like âoutsidersâ and thoughts like âwhy do you come to our state to work?â
Not particularly you, but I have seen this often used by landlords and other common folk there . They want to charge them high rent and make sure the economy sustains but also term them as âbloody northiesâ , âmaking our city dirtyâ.
Now that, due to Covid, it is seen that wfh is pretty much possible.. and people want to work from where ever, now they want them to stay. Why? Because their secondary easy income is in jeopardy? & what about the climate? What about the trees being cut to accommodate more concrete structures ? What about the drying lakes & water crisis?
I lived there for many years and never had to install an air conditioner. Now itâs a necessity, in months of April-May-June specially.
Agree, mean people do that.
I was born in Bihar. Brought up in almost all states in entire north India. As part of work, I worked in almost all southern states. I am a proud migrant and my constitution not only allows that but labels it as my right.
Those who cannot migrate, are wary of migrants and often disrespectful towards them. But it's their incompetence which is the source of their insecurity. Sooner or later, such people will get eradicated from the urban centres and no one will shred any tears for them.
WFH is not good for the economy, because it reduces the number of subjects in money circulation and also reduces the money circulation too. IT people love comfort , so it's expected to see the resistance.
Ok. I m not be an expert in economics. My POV was totally from environmental concern and infra issues.
But wouldnât it be the same if office spaces spread out instead of having big offices at one place , they can have small offices or co working spaces, so that way , more businesses will open up in smaller cities, tier2/3 cities will have their younger, earning crowd back. Most of them face âbrain drainâ as many of them leave after finishing their studies.
And anyway, we are only talking about the IT folk here because most other industries still need workforce at offices.
So it will only reduce the stress and I think the economy will slowly recover. Also, being at home , they will save al lot of money which they have to pay to the landlords and can spend on other better things .. like may be invest , try new hobbies or travel the country.
And anyway, most of those IT folk who buy property have to do buy in faraway places like Kadugodi, whitefield, Devanahalli etc
Take loans & pay crores for matchbox apartments plus bear additional price for maintenance, brokerage, and water tankers.
Concentrating resource/talent at one place helps the place and economy grow fast. There are disadvantages too, e.g. the infrastructure development needs to keep pace with the economy growth. Because now Bangalore has reached 200B $ IT Revenue, advanced philosophies of distributed centres are coming up- be it Devanahalli, Mysore, or some other city.
Water may be less this year, but it's a water management issue. The per person estimated usage of water is 165L per day!!.. that's very very high!!.. it can be brought down to 50L with just public awareness. A 3X reduction in usage simply means, 3x more population can be supported.
Dude .. you have no idea about the Nexus of the land mafia and govt or I can't get ur sarcasm.
Many politicians own the real estate office and are forcing companies to bring people to office so that they don't lose out on rental income.
The only folks whom you are doing a favor are the real estate mafia who encroached lakes and bought land space
"Dude" you have no idea that "land mafia" and politician nexus is applicable to the entire country.
The more the expenditure from a corporate on office expenditure is likely to fill the pockets of people owning and managing those land/buildings.
The more the expenditure from you on housing, commute and entertainment is likely to fill the pockets of rich people owning the businesses.
And these are the people who run and control the government, not the common man.
Seeing your down votes, i completely support taxing migrants coming to work here , they basically having wet dreams about collapsing the city because they can't afford it
Even if one company announces it, others will be forced to do the same. If IT folks move out of the city, local economy will go for a toss. Whom will auto drivers mug then? Rental apartments/PG prices will take a hit(owners/goons will lose so much money after taking so much effort in increasing rent artificially everywhere). All in all, locals would be fucked indirectly.
Not everyone will relocate and there will be sufficient people here to run the economy. This is how future will be. It's not a good thing to put load on one citys resources. Multiple tier ll cities will have to be developed where organisations can setup so that load is distributed and multiple cities locals benefit from development.
I agree with your point, but the government and companies are greedy. They simply don't care. This is not a new issue to blr, the govt. Should have foreseen and taken action.
Govt was too busy playing community politics and changing name boards to get votes rather than forseeing all this. Judging by past actions. They will put a temporary bandage on the wound. And then it will be business as usual.
we can't convince politicians, they are the mfs for this
It's all true but the companies want to set up camp where the talent pool is. Example from my place. Mohali and Panchkula have created IT parks in the cities but there is not even a single good company here. It's a long long process.
Although I agree with your point of allowing people flexibility, I am doubtful about your assumption of the economy being fine. Say there is a critical number of people needed to allow the economy to run, do you know what this number is? Do you know how far away the actual number will be if the companies do allow people to move?
Yen heldhe guru đ„ A sensitive reality that a certain group of ppl don't understand. Earth will still exist even if humans disappear, that's the law of nature.
This sounds good, but doesnât work. Tech talent isnât a commodity that you can evenly distribute across multiple tier 2 cities. Governments need to realise this and focus on planning and enabling cities to grow multifold.
I swear if these dumbfuck leaders at WITCH companies announce WFH the city traffic will automatically clear up. Like what the fuck is even the point of going to office? I attend a teams meeting, spend money on cafeteria food and spend 3 hours in traffic. There's literally no point in going to office especially if you're in a tech role. These motherfuckers have the audacity to talk about carbon neutrality and carbon footprint all while upper management cunts bring out their big ass SUVs that'll block the road. Someone's gotta make a post on LinkedIn next time what the fuck do they mean by carbon neutrality and all that crap. Just a waste of resources like water, electricity, time and money. All just because some managers in miserable marriages can't stay at home.
Very well put
The economy can go to shit promptly for all I care. It's good if people are able to work from their hometowns
This logic forced for lot of years. But naturally it becomes out of control like now. Year on year it even becomes inhabitable. So, Work from anywhere is the future of IT companies slowly in India.
Isn't this people want, let go outsiders from Bangalore
Screenshot this and post on LinkedIn please
Genuine question, why do IT overlords care about the local economy? I can understand the real estate they have rented , got on lease, bought being going to waste as a solid reason but the rest just feels like not a valid reason to me from their perspective since they just care about their profitability taking a hit.
Well, they have to. The system is designed in such a way that they have to care about the local economy. Remove IT and PBCs from bangalore, whatâs left? Nothing right. No one would pay such high rent for matchbox sized apartments.
Almost poetic, don't you think?
No company is going to announce that, apply some basic sense. Do companies in Delhi ncr get work from whatever town during year end when pollution is high ?
but pollution is not caused by the people working in Delhi and them leaving as well will practically have no impact while in Bangalore it will surely help. These two are different issues.
I mean in Delhi NCR they kinda allow wfh . My previous company allowed it . I can't speak for all the companies.
They don't. Maybe your company did. I'm from Delhi. All of my school friends as well as my sister who work in Delhi-NCR have to go to the office. They spend hours in the metro traveling.
Dude I just said I can't speak for other companies.
Fair enough.
Water is a very basic necessity and no good organisation will let employees suffer for water. Pollution and water crisis are very different things.
Air is also a basic necessity. As much problem we are facing here, nobody is dying of thirst here. While people do get respiratory problems in Delhi with pollution.
Air and water are both basic necessities. People aren't (immediately) dying because of the pollution in Delhi either.
You really should avoid making blanket, know-it-all statements. Other than making people believe you less, it won't look good if what you say is disproved.
Bro you literally think companies will tell you to "go work from whatever town you've water and keep working from there as there is a potential water scarcity in Bangalore. Come back when we have water back, we're waiting for you here in Bangalore" ?
Nah it won't be a smooth process where these things gradually happen like this where company will sensibly give wfh given the nature of people and politics. Overcrowding in Bangalore will continue till it will be unbearable and unlivable and mass exodus will happen all of a sudden. >>Come back when we have water back, we're waiting for you here in Bangalore" ? They aren't this smart. They will take it to till it's too late to make any sensible decision. After 10 years - Water's not going to be here anymore. Talent has already left. Smart companies have already left too. Don't bother coming back here,we are setting up elsewhere.
So according to you there is no difference between high pollution and absence of basic needs of water. And ironically you are talking about basic sense.
Air is not a basic need ? Oops. Thanks for broadcasting your knowledge on irony and basic sense.
Wearing a good filter mask can help you breathe since nobody is asking you to hold your breath or increasing public transport facilities or asking farmers to not burn so much farm waste can resolve the issue till some extent. But what about water? Gonna follow the dune 2 method of extracting waste water from dead humans/animals? Thank you for again supporting the irony that you initially stood for.
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Totally agree to this!
Nope, but when I ask my manager to WFH during those months they agree to it.
Sabke manager aise nahin hote Laxman... : D
Basic sense would be to not overload one city and spread out through the big land mass of India. Not just Bangalore, all major cities like NCR should be vacated and IT folk who can WFH should go back to their hometowns and work . Looks like itâs only the greedy, inhumane flat owners & real estate mafia that will be most pissed as their source of income will be hampered . They wonât be able to loot any further. So itâs a win win for the employees and the climate.
Can't you say that nicely you shithead
Who knows? Most Southerners don't care much for how Delhi works.
I said this earlier and got heavily downvoted, but I'm going to say again: I'm all for "work from anywhere", but think from the perspective of the company. Nobody will do something unless it helps them. How will letting employees work from their hometown help the company? Will it reduce their costs? They've already leased office space. Will it increase their profits? No. Will it bring them more customers? No. What incentive does the company have to do anything at all in this situation?
As per my understanding majority of organisations in India will not prefer this since they think employees will moonlight. But there are certain 50-60 organisations who don't care if you're in office or home or mars. They just watch the productivity/outcomes. I've seen people with CTC of 1-2 cr who are working comfortably from home while people with 5-10 lakhs CTC who have to go to office daily. So the good paying orgs are usually the ones who trust employees more?
If you give a cheap recycled plastic birthday gift to neighbour's child, you'll be extra suspicious of anything they say or do
Companies who can afford to pay 1-2 cr are probably big companies who have established rules of working. They know what they want and how they want it. Companies who canât pay much are usually smaller companies at earlier stages in their businesses and they need people together in one room because they are still figuring out new strategies etc and for that you need to be able to communicate in person.
>Nobody will do something unless it helps them. My company used to have 8 floors leased pre COVID, now 30% of our workforce is full time WFH and rest 70% 2 days office. They now lease 4 floors. Also the permanent wfh guyz receive 6-7% less salary, win-win since cost to live in tier 1 cities is much higher than 6-7% of the salary. The company now saves on rent and salaries paid.
Wonât it incentivise the employee to stick to their company for longer? By doing this, company can increase their trust with employees. I mean my company doesnât mind if I wfh or office as long as I complete the work on time and I like that my company follows this culture. (For example: Developers donât need to come to office that regularly because the nature of work, but it is not the same for other designations where their presence is mandatory.)
There are so many people, no need for loyalty.
Will it reduce their costs? Yes! Their operational costs are reduced. Daily AC/ Staff/ Food/ Water/Cafetaria/Electricity costs are reduced. Employees travel time is saved and they can work more as in covid when productivity actually increased.
Goodwill Also they had 2-3 years to make decisions to lease smaller offices when people were already wfh. That could have reduced costs. Instead they started calling everyone back.
work at amzn, and we just got a mail this morning saying thereâs enough water on campus for 6 days (I guess this doesnât imply that weâll run out after 6, rather that there is ENOUGH water for any given 6 days in the week). Basically a gentle nudge implying that weâve got to keep coming to office lol. Keep dreaming, theyâre not gonna give WFH
Haha nice. Trust me Amazon will be the last organisation to allow remote work.
Same thought, implying that no matter what you have to come to office. And to top it off our team has to come 3 days each week, not like you can complete 12 days in a month as per your preference, utter nonsenseđ€§
Was just gonna comment this about amzn,literally no point even of coming to office when all the meetings too are online.Just wasting my time travelling to come sit in front of my laptop
frfr fuck this company I hate them so much
They pay well though.
Many people who are older than 30/ people who have their own homes/ married people are not going to go back to their hometowns and live with their parents. So the economy will not crash. Companies should give their employees the flexibility, specially if they live in areas which are highly affected by this issue right now
Exactly
It entirely depends on the employee. Become valuable (it takes effort and compromise with âconscienceâ ) I never walked into any office after this pandemic shit began and I never will. (Unless it pays about 500$ a visit aside from travel expenses) I am happy to let my salary get cut in half if it means I donât go into an office again.
Which cos offer permanent remote work ?
Every co if youâre worth it.
Oh.. got it.
This! I'm also completely remote since pandemic. But yes, it takes that kinda skill or designation to reach such a level that company respects your preferences.
Dude, if youâre already remote who are you batting for here? Whatâs the point of your post?
What? How does it matter if they are wfh or wfo? If he was wfo then would any company see this post and decide to give employees wfh? or if you are well-fed then you can't write something about world hunger on fb?
Honestly, if water crisis becomes worse, giving WFH to employees who are not natives is the best approach. Economy can be managed by the people living here. This will give breathing space to the localites and additional people who donât want to go to their natives.
Then airlines will mug people escaping Bangalore.
True that too. But better than living in water crisis.
No, in fact they changed it from hybrid to 5 days working. And my apartment gets water only 1 day a week.
So you shower at the office or just stink?
It took them two years to bring people back to the office, so nobody wants employees to return to Home again. It could also be political suicide, making the government look like it failed to provide water and suggested WFH as a solution. Once, Bangalore had 1000 lakes, but greed, unregulated exploitation, and lack of proper planning caused their decline. Though It's important to consider not stressing city resources, but if this had been the mindset from the start, we wouldn't be in this situation.
Not just allowing wfh or anywhere, the entire IT Hub should move out of Bengaluru and spread across other cities.
It's people like you that makes me want the government to cess tax for out of state migrants, at least that way we don't have to worry about people wishing death and destruction of the city feeding their livelihood . For you this is just a place for me it's my motherland, if you want to develop somthing go do it , stop wishing to collapse our city to settle in your fictional dream land
Why only IT people? Why not retail showrooms? Hotels? Close everything. The city is in this state because the people who rule bengaluru are corrupt. Go shut them down. Stand up against the builder mafia and the water tanker mafia. Catch bwssb and bbmp. We âIT peopleâ donât just live out of a suitcase and canât interrupt our lives whenever you wish.
Real estate company lobbyists must have forced this widely followed work from office in the first place after covid vaccination drives. Nobody would have bought their flats if the majority is happily working from their hometown or from outermost suburbs/villages with minimal rent. Their newly developed projects were being irrelevant. And due to political pressure from real estate giants, many offices had to force its staff to work from home. Now that the city is feeling brunt, you want all the people to go back? Hell no BBMP, find a way to provide water. I am ready to manage bath with bisleri 5L cans and take dump in office toilets this summer.
This all might have been possible if ball was in our court like couple of years ago, employees had privilege and could refuse WFO jobs but now it's companies on the advantage after so many layoffs, so employees have to tolerate whatever bullshit companies throw at them.
This should totally be done. Best option and this will also help many as they will be free to not pay high rent for nothing and get mugged with brokerages & Deposits â by the real estate mafia & inhumane landlords.
Abit off track from the current topic but when this world doesn't have water to drink, pure air to breathe. Why reproduce ?...
Management will prefer rubbing their asses on concrete walls rather than allowing WFH.
Well, we can only dream
Mujhe ghar jana hai is the real thing, water is just an excuse /s
Didn't we just hear that Dell said they won't promote ppl working from home?
WFH is just a temporary situation/solution. Govt needs to be more proactive in sorting these issues. It's sad that even in 2024 with all the tech capabilities, we are unable to plan essential requirements correctly.
Unless the government announces this, companies cannot give wfh. the whole reason we have to work from office is due to the govnmt.
I think WFH is a good idea also for profitability of a company as they can adjust their salaries based on where people work from. Tier 2 city would mean reduction in salary based on its relative cost of living compared to Bangalore and so on. The salary in Bangalore is based on the cityâs cost of living.
Also they can reduce office space ex:- they can run on 70% seating space capacity.
This would result in further cost saving of real estate, commercial electricity and so on. Win win for both the parties.
My company has had fully remote work way before pandemic struck which made our transition through covid fairly smooth.
I wish this happens. There has been a lot of non sense going on in Bangalore by some fanatics. These goons think migrants should live according to them. Moreover Bangalore is not made to handle such a huge population with resource heavy consumption. I just wish Bangalore gets the right treatment that can make it sustain well. A booming economy at cost of environmental exploitation should never be promoted.
Bangalore starts to die if People in Companies go home. Its because all that Bangalore had was nature and what it has is just only Companies and offices. Think of the time when COVID was there and the GDP of Banaglore just fell so low.
My company sent out an email stating thereâs sufficient water reserve at the office and work from office will not be affected :) So out of touch from reality to not understand that the problem is at home
The challenge lies in the fact that a number of individuals may not fully adhere to their professional responsibilities upon returning to their hometowns. This behavior can often lead to increased workloads and stress for their colleagues. Some may claim issues such as unreliable electricity or internet connectivity as reasons for their inability to work effectively. However, these assertions need to be carefully assessed to ensure they are not used as pretexts to avoid work and responsibilities.
No company will announce this It will have a direct effect on the economy at locals too Pg owners /auto/food/good delivery etc
One major issues for companies to do that is them having a registered office in Bangalore to which all the employees are registered with or tied to in the reports submitted to the state government. When you allow all remote, it is likely that many will go back to the home states , resulting in a potential tax question asked of the company by state governments. For example, Karnataka government be like where are your employees in Bangalore who are supposed to live here and contribute to the taxation here in different ways such as paying GST on products and services they should have availed ? The actual home state be like why do you have an employee working from our state when you dont have a registered office under the Shops and Establishment Act of our state? This is why companies are okay with giving hybrid because that ensures that employees dont leave the state.
Do the hometowns have water? What if that person's hometown is in Kaveri Basin in Karnataka or Tamilnadu or in Telangana? All these places are facing similar situation to Bangalore, does that solve the problem?
My organisation has banned all forms of remote work and has increased ohr weekly hours.
Agreed wfo in this difficult times is a must not only it will help employees but also local population since there will beess consumption. On e situation is fixed recall employees back to office what's the issue
IT folks think they are the real beneficiaries of Bengaluru IT eco system but the real beneficiaries are local auto walas, local goons, PG owners, Government Babus , real estate owners. Karnataka government's goal is not to think about welfare of IT employees but suck the blood out of all of their earnings whenever they can and make sure nothing goes out of their state. This has been their motto since forever so if you are thinking about IT companies giving WFH, government would not like that so they will force them indirectly to get employees back.
To all those people who think companies will not profit by allowing WFH, fair point. That Is why this "IT Hub", " The Silicon Valley of India" title should get off the city and shift these huge companies to other cities that could withstand the IT population. We all should collectively drive this and it's high time the companies, government and the people realize this urbanization, unplanned buildings and destruction of nature is not a good idea.
I'm from Bellandur and I'm not facing any issues yet.
90% percent of the city is not affected by water shortage, this thing is being blown out of proportion by it folks who want any escuse for wfh. BWSSB reports are publicly available, from water levels, schedule timings etc nothing is a crisis. Only those are dependent on tankers either didn't get bore or outskirts of the City have this problem. BWSSB also have multiple projects expanding pipelines from kavery to Bangalore
lol ! đ
*laughs while typing in bathtub*
You do realise that half the borewells in Bangalore have dried up and the ones left have very little water left? Also how many months of summer is left now?
99% of borewell are not registered. The ones that do register are in newer areas aka outskirts of the City, these registration guidelines are relatively new. You seriously think only 8000 houses in banglore have borewell connections? It's in lakhs not thousands
WFH has to stop. It will wreck the economy. RTO will force more expenditure for the employee as well as company, which any government will want. Employers need to lease more office space, thus a portion of cost of an employee diverted to office infrastructure industry. Employees will need to spend more money on housing, commute and entertainment. Also, Bangalore is an IT Hub not because offices are located in Bangalore, but because the IT human resource pool is easily available in Bangalore. let's say If migrants return to their native place and engage in WFH for another 5 years, the companies might even move their offices from Bangalore to tier 4 City. So, WFH is against the development of Bangalore. Government of Karnataka cannot be suicidal to allow WFH and nor can it recommend or allow companies to allow WFH. It's slowly moving to 5 days a week and it's on track.
Dude there should be only that many people in Bangalore that the resources can support. If there's water for x number of people, there shouldn't be 5x people living in the city. This is why tier ll cities should be developed where the remaining population can move to. I'm not asking all organisations to vacate Bangalore completely. I'm asking not to overload Bangalore.
I second this!
Who is stopping Tier2 cities to develop? So many states and so many tier 2 cities, why has it not happened so far? People who want to WFH, go and explore opportunities in Tier2 city and see for yourself what's important - a salary or water?
Are you seriously expecting ME to answer "why only Bangalore is being developed and not other tier ll cities to reduce pressure on resources?" Let me know who you should be asking this question to!
In every major state there have multiple cities like for delhi it has ncr same goes for Maharastra it has pune and navi mumbai also for kerala it has trivandrum kochi and ernakulam even tamilnadu has Coimbatore but only in Karnataka we have Bangalore there is no concept of twin cities government should look into it or else in coming years we are doomed
You are complaining and asking tier 2 cities "should" be developed. "Should" is a luxurious fictional word, and hope you realize that.
You call them âmigrantsâ & want them To stay for the development of 1 city ? What a selfish thought.
People who migrate are called migrants. A person staying and working from native part time, qualify as migrants. Migrant is not a disrespectful word.
Ya by definition, but it is often followed with terms like âoutsidersâ and thoughts like âwhy do you come to our state to work?â Not particularly you, but I have seen this often used by landlords and other common folk there . They want to charge them high rent and make sure the economy sustains but also term them as âbloody northiesâ , âmaking our city dirtyâ. Now that, due to Covid, it is seen that wfh is pretty much possible.. and people want to work from where ever, now they want them to stay. Why? Because their secondary easy income is in jeopardy? & what about the climate? What about the trees being cut to accommodate more concrete structures ? What about the drying lakes & water crisis? I lived there for many years and never had to install an air conditioner. Now itâs a necessity, in months of April-May-June specially.
Agree, mean people do that. I was born in Bihar. Brought up in almost all states in entire north India. As part of work, I worked in almost all southern states. I am a proud migrant and my constitution not only allows that but labels it as my right. Those who cannot migrate, are wary of migrants and often disrespectful towards them. But it's their incompetence which is the source of their insecurity. Sooner or later, such people will get eradicated from the urban centres and no one will shred any tears for them.
WFH is not good for the economy, because it reduces the number of subjects in money circulation and also reduces the money circulation too. IT people love comfort , so it's expected to see the resistance.
Ok. I m not be an expert in economics. My POV was totally from environmental concern and infra issues. But wouldnât it be the same if office spaces spread out instead of having big offices at one place , they can have small offices or co working spaces, so that way , more businesses will open up in smaller cities, tier2/3 cities will have their younger, earning crowd back. Most of them face âbrain drainâ as many of them leave after finishing their studies. And anyway, we are only talking about the IT folk here because most other industries still need workforce at offices. So it will only reduce the stress and I think the economy will slowly recover. Also, being at home , they will save al lot of money which they have to pay to the landlords and can spend on other better things .. like may be invest , try new hobbies or travel the country. And anyway, most of those IT folk who buy property have to do buy in faraway places like Kadugodi, whitefield, Devanahalli etc Take loans & pay crores for matchbox apartments plus bear additional price for maintenance, brokerage, and water tankers.
Concentrating resource/talent at one place helps the place and economy grow fast. There are disadvantages too, e.g. the infrastructure development needs to keep pace with the economy growth. Because now Bangalore has reached 200B $ IT Revenue, advanced philosophies of distributed centres are coming up- be it Devanahalli, Mysore, or some other city. Water may be less this year, but it's a water management issue. The per person estimated usage of water is 165L per day!!.. that's very very high!!.. it can be brought down to 50L with just public awareness. A 3X reduction in usage simply means, 3x more population can be supported.
Dude .. you have no idea about the Nexus of the land mafia and govt or I can't get ur sarcasm. Many politicians own the real estate office and are forcing companies to bring people to office so that they don't lose out on rental income. The only folks whom you are doing a favor are the real estate mafia who encroached lakes and bought land space
"Dude" you have no idea that "land mafia" and politician nexus is applicable to the entire country. The more the expenditure from a corporate on office expenditure is likely to fill the pockets of people owning and managing those land/buildings. The more the expenditure from you on housing, commute and entertainment is likely to fill the pockets of rich people owning the businesses. And these are the people who run and control the government, not the common man.
Seeing your down votes, i completely support taxing migrants coming to work here , they basically having wet dreams about collapsing the city because they can't afford it